megafapper

I'm also!

moniq1000

Newer use Godaddy for an Adult site, if you have on flippa site listed than is ok

PornGrowsOnTrees

Payments are always the best with Cb for me too. Have 3 0.00 days though, hope it goes back up.

Beaver1

Hope didnt pay your server :-)

adultbizwork

Hello guys, interesting thread, I saw a model using the same method as clara chan, is this allowed? Check top banner and bottom text. And I am not even talking about the big amount of other overlay buttons, banners and text she added.

seriouslee

Banners are overlaying site functions, so not okay.

chaturbate . com/emotional_rescue

"please clear browser cookies before" in her sign up banner. THAT is definitely not okay and again I say cb should just have ONE person clicking through bios of the models. They just can't (or shouldn't) outsource this to third parties. I can't prove anything but given the "action" on cam in this room it is also a room that fills surprisigly fast with users.

megafapper

Last 2 days bot administrators changes their bots and I can say that the new cb system doesn't work for them. Almost all top bot promoted rooms at the top places
Also new system affects very bad on the normal models, who don't use bots

for me the last 2 days number of registrations dropped also

drexl

Do report her to support immediately!

This is incitement to reassign existing users.

All customers stolen from webmasters should be reassigned to the original referrer along with the revenue generated and a charge back for those thieves.

She'd be the first one to complain if it was done to her. Mind you, broadcasters are also stealing from each others by doing this.

CB should not allow affiliate links on their website, this is an aberration.
If they absolutely want to keep custom icons and external links, at least block affiliate links. How hard is it, I even did that in css on my whitelabels until chaturbate blocks the particular css rule I was using (I wonder why...).

On another note slightly related, MFC allows social media links (read:leaks) on models profiles but the design remains streamlined, neat and consistent. On Chaturbate it is chaotic, challenging to the eye and dysfunctional.

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megafapper

New algorithm can't fight with bots
If this situation will continue for webmasters will be much profitable to sell bots directly to the models than bring them a good traffic...

ianmoone332000

Il be reporting them in a minute. Hope everyone does as well. Asking for cookies to be deleted should be an instant ban. Im wondering if chaturbate would be OK if we all had a twitter page we contributed to called something like " Chaturbate Rules ". Then we can post in it when we see anyone breaking the rules like this. Also tag the offending model so she at least knows that there are a lot of angry people reporting her.

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megafapper

ianmoone332000, I wrote before that the cb support does not ban some models, but any other model receives it without warning.

That's why my "conspiracy theories" exist.

ianmoone332000

Iv reported both of them

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seriouslee

They don't want an outrage from the girls on Twitter telling their users how evil cb is. I understand it BUT what I would do at least is shave them off ALL affiliate sign ups AND, if possible, return the revenue to the original affiliate.

With a banner like this, good faith is just lost. This model KNOWS where traffic comes from, she KNOWS about the cookie rule AND wants to change it to her personal gain.

This model in particular will join in on the story of how cb manually pushes other models to the top. 100% guarantee.

ianmoone332000

Or ban them for life to send out a big sign to all other models that you really should not do this stuff

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drexl

I agree on everything suggested.

LiveJasmin has a stricter stand and they don't fear models reactions. Why should cb be any different. I am pretty sure streamate is the same, try share your email on streamate... But they have more workforce for monitoring. And most importantly, they don't allow silly profile customization and affiliate links in bios.

By letting broadcasters do the claradisation technique it encourages cheating on a broad scale (Lulacum69 is just the illustration of this point). It should be easy to encourage honest broadcasters, the others would come back and trust would be regained.

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I explained how it works. Signup binds a username to an affiliate. If the existing customer creates a new username, it is a different binding.

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whitelabels lose the signup if new users sign up on a different domain which happens on 99% of models profile since they are affiliates and can plant their chaturbate.com link.
ex: if a new user is on ianmoone332000-whitelabel.com/Lulacum69 and click on her CLICK HERE link, she makes the binding and the $.


All of the above works well with the "first cookie win" rule which noone ever disputed.

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megafapper

https://chaturbate.com/goldengoddessxxx/

overflowed banners too, as example:

many other banners also exist on the page

seriouslee

Either the bot net owners have already found a way to bypass whatever cb changed in their placement system or cb reverted their changes. Front page is again filled with Eastern European studio girls.

Here is my speculation: These bot nets will be paid for and in control or ordered by these studios. They push their models to the front page AND some top girls (Mila for example) to THE top spots. The top girls are not the competition of the studio girls BUT these girls WILL complain vocally about any change in cb's algorithm "making" these girls the "allies" and the unintentional defenders of the bot nets that have taken control of cb. The only solution I see is to get rid of these studios (if I'm right).

As she was mentioned here, I watched this German_honey yesterday. Non nude, no face, chats in German mostly (but does not speak although her mic is on, not impossible she is not even really German), mostly shows just her legs on cam but is getting closer to THE top spot every day. Not impossible but very hard to believe this is all legit.

ianmoone332000

https://chaturbate.com/emotional_rescue/

She has removed the "clear cookies" crap. Prey she got a final warning

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Brian mike

I wonder if is not AGAINST CB TOS to use other Trade mark brand in their models profile like " The Legend of Zelda "

updated i just found this from CB TOS
12. Notice of Intellectual Property Infringement. The Site respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our community members and others to do the same. We voluntarily observe and comply with the DMCA. IT IS CHATURBATE’S POLICY TO TERMINATE ACCOUNTS OF REPEAT COPYRIGHT INFRINGERS WHEN APPROPRIATE.

seriouslee

Let's not get involved in that.

Spanishcouple managed the impossible, to stay at the top even during a ticket show. 12,000 "viewers" staring at a black screen for 20 minutes already...

edit: 40 minutes into the show and there are still hundreds of gray users and almost 6,000 (!!!) anonymous viewers watching a black screen. It's still the fourth most watched room on cb with 40 minutes into a hidden cam show. I'm curious for an explanation that does NOT involve viewer bots. They finished second in the hourly competition despite being in hidden cam for 30 minutes of that hour. How?

This is still a guess but I would say cb got cold feet and rolled back the changes to their algorithm from some days that caused the twitter debate.

seriouslee

And after show was over the incredible number of 6,000 (!!!) viewers joined the room in just two minutes. Sorry, that's just a joke.

ianmoone332000

Feel sorry for the genuine hard working models tbh

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Holy Damage

look that
LMAO... chaturbate is becoming a joke

Shedevils

Where is this being discussed on Twitter?

drexl

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+ stolen customers re-assigned to original affiliates and revenue recalculated

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It started here

twitter . com/Milarky_/status/1117621661300350976

anthony78

Hi there!

I have promoted chaturbate and I have sent lots of paied traffic, but they are leaking their traffic to the models, and by doing they are loosing the power because the traffic is power.

Chaturbate better take a look at livejasmin or stripchat in order get the power back by not allowing the models to advertise personal contacts, social media, youtube and other illegal stuff ( practices stealing the traffic from affiliated webmasters ) on their profiles.

Here it is a new screenshot which show that the site is loosing constantly the power to the models:

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drexl

Paid traffic to cb is an error in my opinion. You're essentially paying them since their advertiser will monetize their traffic. By the way in listing the leaks you forgot the ad banners (top and right on your screenshot).

This may be a reason why they allow outgoing links (leaks): allowing models to advertise their links on their bio is "a selling point" so they will push to chaturbate which has ads etc ... Nowadays models are on all cam sites (you will see that cb models are also on camsoda, mfc and stripchat they often broadcast on these simultaneously)

Mind you, other sponsors have subtle and engineered ways to take your whales away from you. They aren't going to let models plant their leaks because they want to keep members on their system (unlike cb, they aren't publishers), but they will provide models with incentive (model links and model whitelabels with special permissions) which in effect will send your whales to another part of their system where you don't get commissions anymore. This is just 1 strategy but basically with these companies nowadays, it is like playing at the casino: the house always wins.

Remember that whales aren't lost for everyone.

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seriouslee

Having models do marketing and bringing traffic too is smart IF all play by the same rules, meaning don't cheat with deleting cookies and not making new accounts for existing customers. Models bringing traffic can result in sign ups for everyone.

I've said it often, cb needs just one "quality manager" guy who flips through rooms, starting with the top rooms. This would have a noticeable effect.

You cannot have a site the size and revenue like cb run on auto pilot and rely on reports from users, webmasters and other models, which is also REALLY bad for the atmosphere, when everyone HAS to play police and blame others, because cb support seemingly never acts on their own.

drexl

edit: models like any affiliates can advertise towards chaturbate but there is no justification for advertising ON chaturbate.

You can remove the "IF": it IS smart. For them at least since they make money from ads.
However, like I said before, if you have a whitelabel you are losing: the cookie is not planted on chaturbate.com so the winning cookie is the model's, not the original referrer (wl owner).

Also the "customer reassignment" I assume will mostly be done in private, no monitoring can prevent this. It seems unavoidable but at least they should prevent from advertising means to communicate that (email address and social media)
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ianmoone332000

Im going to start sending half my traffic to MFC. They have the right idea with models not being allowed to be affiliates. It stops all this scamming stuff that has infested chaturbate. I only see theyre problems getting worse in the future. Thing that annoys me about MFC was when they stopped allowing everyone to promote revshare. Thought they were too big back then and it blew up in theyre faces. Gonna have to give them a second chance though. Is anyone doing well with them?

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megafapper

Last days situations is much worse that before their changes.
Right now only cheater models can get stable profit on CB.

Banners are still there:
https://chaturbate.com/lulacum69/
https://chaturbate.com/goldengoddessxxx/

Yes if window is opened on the full screen on the full hd display it will not overflow navigation, BUT not everybody watch at full screen. and not everybody has fullhd screen

I think that the all cb answers was only for visibility that they do somethings. Not for the real actions.

P.S. MFC didn't converted for me before

megafapper

me too

Right now CB is the site where the models have to find how to cheat cb, webmasters or the members. But not to find how to do a better shows for bigger income.

seriouslee

Mfc is a nightmare to market unless you have traffic from a dating site. Many of their top rooms are quite boring to watch. These rooms often have a bunch of whale tippers or they're showcase rooms for video sales.

AllAboutCams

My sales are shit this period

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megafapper

After all posts here and on twitter
I see, that cb listen only loud voices of cheaters, not other models or webmasters.
And will do changes only for cheaters. not for common webmasters and common models.

P.S. My "conspiracy theory" still can be right.

GoCastaway

Here too, for the second period...

Also thinking of moving away half of my 60+ domains and try something else

drexl

I'm struggling with conversions / sign ups.

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GoCastaway

From 1 april until now i have 1 signup and $265,08 on spendings, so i get for whole april $53,02 at the moment.

Its just terrible!

Shedevils

She is not wrong in her analysis of what it takes to get users to spend money. For many users webcam rooms are social meeting places and that's why they stay. There used to be a room I hung out in just because the performer had fantastic music playlists. I don't know who said what about her specifically but that was certainly misplaced.

She doesn't speak to the whole account re-signup and cookie clearing issue tho. That's what brought me to the thread here and it still desperately needs to be fixed. There is a part of me that feels that if there was actually more hand curation at CB that things might look better.

I don't know what is wrong with Chaturbate now but everyone seems to be down, even some very big guys who I talk to who would never post here.

megafapper

The main problem that she use a lot of bot for sticking on one of the first places.
one of the top places is the percent of rotation of top/best converting room codes. If its the first place - its about 50% of all rotation. And the first places is the places for the new registrations, that will convert to spenders in the future. Without new registrations will be no new spenders. Her room has a low quality for the first place.
As example, heatherbby9 uses a bots a lot, but she has much better quality and she doing something on cam. Mila does not! I don't want to say that heatherbby9 do something good. No! Everybody who use bots and banners breaking TOS must be punished.
But all these cheaters are untouchables. This was proved by time!
I want to repeat, she doesn't want 6 or 7 place. She wants only the first place, that's much better for any referral cheating technic.
The main problem that many average and low quality rooms use a bots and cheating technics for stealing referrals.
And chaturbate algorithms works only by down-voting basis. But this does not help against the bots, but hits very bad for common models.
Latest system works awful for everyone except cheaters

seriouslee

She is right about many things. Her conclusion abot cb discriminating her and pushing rooms rounds is just wrong.

There is a party who is not down, the bot net owners and (Eastern European) studios, who use(d) these. They will of course never write here. They "use" the Milas to complain about changes cb does.

CB just didn't pay enough attention to what was happening on the site. Now it's tough.

One or some cb guys who flip through rooms and, using historical data, sort out the studios (and some individual performers) that used the bot nets in the past and ban them from the platform. Will buy them some time to work on a better algorithm.

If possible revert "reassigned" user accounts and ban these girls from cb's affiliate program. They ban other affiliates too. These girls can still broadcast but cannot use the affiliate program anymore.

megafapper

Yes they use Mila, but Mila use their bots. Maybe its her own bots, but she use a big amount of bots. And she wants only the first place

seriouslee

Sure, since the bot net owners can't make public complaints that their ways do not work anymore, the sane thing to do is put their accounts in the rooms of some top models because they WILL complain for sure.

I'm not sure if Mila "uses" the bots, meaning she pays for them. I don't think she does it, she just profits from it (unknowingly).

One of the most drastic cases right now is Savageema. If you have a cb account, follow her and check her traffic. Turns cam on and has 500 to 1,000 viewers in seconds, a number most honest cb broadcasters will never reach.

https://chaturbate.com/savageema

megafapper

https://chaturbate.com/goldengoddessxxx/
Online again



Banners over main links are still there.

P.S. I write all this links because only after many reports from many webmasters cb start to do something

sarettah

I looked at her page. It looks like a bad myspace page.



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adultbizwork

Found another model placing an image with her own ref link. She is covering the default Sign Up link button with her own link and image. But in this case the image she placed is broken and is exposing her tweak.



I am talking about the orange sign up button. Pay attention to the broken image and when you mouse over, you can figure out the trick.

Did Chaturbate implement any special coding and programming to prevent these model links override the original cookies in whitelabel domains?

If a user visits a whitelabel domain, and joins using this model's ref link, who will get credited for that sign up?

Beaver1

My last wire transfer payout from April 15th did not arrive,
someone with the same problems.

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