drexl

What happens in terms of violation of this particular new term?

What are the the technical specifications for broadcasters banners? (max width/height, look and feel, animated, how many of them, ..)

How about enticing username reassignment on the site itself? (cc_ or hh_ method)

How about covering the main site logo?

How about surrounding the 'Sign Up' button as opposed to covering it?

I mentioned the performance issue with some of the images weighing well over 200k each. Is that being considered at all by your developer team?

Why did you block my CSS rule that was targeting outgoing affiliate links only so I can leave broadcasters bio as they are with social media buttons on but merely preventing my traffic to be stolen through aff links?

Affiliate marketing purpose is to drive traffic to a destination site, why allowing affiliate links on the destination site itself? (ie: no traffic movement)

This new term seems to mean: "hey broadcasters, Chaturbate gives you carte blanche to put as many links and banners as you please but just not on the sign up button."

I don't see any valid reason why broadcasters have a feature to opt out of partners sites (whitelabels) since it brings them more traffic, but I see good reasons why partners wouldn't want some broadcasters not showing up in their feed: is there any plans to add this feature for webmasters and what is the benefits for models opting out?

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ianmoone332000

Nice to see you Punker. I understand Chaturbate is a really big site but there are big problems on the affiliate side sadly. I mean the models that are asking current members to create an account for them. I know we have had a couple of chats about it and we are all trying to do our bit by reporting them but i still feel it needs to be resolved for good. I and others are starting to send parts of our traffic to other cam sites. I would rather be sending everything to Chaturbate but i think its wise to start building elsewhere. Id also like to mention the craziness of all the links allowed on the site like onlyfans etc. Literally encouraging Chaturbate users to leave the site and go spend money somewhere else instead of Chaturbate is surely losing yous a fortune.

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GoCastaway

Weel said Drexl & ianmoone332000

It's really time that CB is undergoing a big change in what you both mentioned, otherwise the webmasters are going to promote other sites.
I also already started promoting other sites and when that sites are giving me enough revenue i am going to kick out CB

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PornGrowsOnTrees

How many Total # Of Spenders does everyone have?

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MoneyMaker85

Hi, i am new here, is Chaturbate still interesting or could i better go promote other camsites?

drexl

First post: welcome MoneyMaker85!

You can make money with Chaturbate. My advice is you try a few sponsors so you see what converts with your traffic.

Good luck!

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j3rkules

You can still make good money with them but consider promoting other sponsors as well, because you do not know which one is best for you until you test them.

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Markul

Welcome to GFY

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Brian mike

Is it possible that is for Privacy reason ex: Geo Block would not work on WL or partner sites ? Just thinking out loud ...

Custom WL is one way to Select the models of your choice to show up on your sites. Roboscripts have that option that you can removed manually a model (s) from your site at anytime ex: when getting DMCA. Also you can buy as extra the plug in RBS Custom Models to build your site with all models of your choice .

MoneyMaker85

Thank you Drexl, i am going to try different things, also a whitelabel at Camsoda and i want one on Stripchat but can't find how to get one there

MoneyMaker85

Thanks J3rkules

drexl

The business logic (geo block included) should be identical: whitelabels are in effect chaturbate, just a different skin and logo.

That's cool, thanks for sharing.

I must say I am not familiar with roboscripts but I do have a custom site and I display models from the Chaturbate API feed. No matter what your implementation is, at the end of the day you are linking to the whitelabel (only way for visitors to register!). So blocking a model upfront won't prevent her from showing up on the wl site listing.

A proper way to handle custom listings would be to call the Chaturbate API and pass in a campaign ID (for webmaster identification) and a IP address of the visitors so that the feed being returned is relevant and not compromising anything. This way cb is fully in control of what is being served, 100%.

You mentioned DMCA. Shouldn't all websites stop listing the broadcaster? The previous suggestion I made is the only way to achieve this reliably. I would also add the fact that a clause should be added in the terms, upfront, at the time the model is signing up for the program.

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MoneyMaker85

Thank you!

drexl

You are most welcome. Well if you want to try Stripchat and if you haven't signed up already please use the link in my signature ;)

I would be cautious about Camsoda: I like their product, it seems appealing but from my observations their WL is not ready. See my thread.

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MoneyMaker85

Can't find a link on Stripchat for whitelabel. already tried Camsoda Whitelabel but the DNS don't pick up so i terminated it regarding your thread

lockept93

U need to write your account manager to enable WL.

For future stripchat questions better use that thread: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...e-results.html
instead of the cb thread.

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MoneyMaker85

I already contacted Stripchat for a whitelabel, and that's a nice thread for Stripchat, going there

Shedevils

None of them need to cover or block, they can use their own signup buttons that are much larger and legible:

https://chaturbate.com/hornypuca/

https://chaturbate.com/adalin18/

Honestly it would be better to just say nothing, than to come and announce a tool that is even less than a half measure.

ianmoone332000

Still at it:

https://chaturbate.com/ocicat/

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drexl

Now that you know Ocicat is not in breach of the terms because she is "not covering nor blocking the sites native ‘Sign Up’ button", what do you propose we do about it?

I am not having a go at you, I'm merely trying to define a strategy to move forward.

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Rednax

Has anyone run into multiple members with refunds in one day?

I have a whitelabel with 9 separate members refunding just today. The WL loads fine and I don't see any issues, curious if anyone has any ideas?

oce520

Have you reported her yet? I reported one model that was doing the same thing as ocicat and her link got removed. Please report her if you haven’t done it already.

Ocicat has been doing this time and time again tho, CB really need to do something about it.

heiko0o

And thats what i don't understand. Chaturbate removes their signatures but they never give them any warning or ban. It would be great if they had a system like:

1st Violation : Warning - No action
2nd Violation : Warning - 7 Day Ban from Chaturbate
3rd Violation : Warning - 30 Day Ban from Chaturbate

and so on.

I am not the one making the the rules here, but that would definitely stop a lot of shady models stealing the webmasters and chaturbates money.

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drexl

That sucks. I assume you are awaiting support response.

Out of curiosity, have these guys who requested a refund the same unique ID:
Direct URL => User UID (last column)

It would be very interesting to know!

For the sake of consistency and effectiveness, we need to define a template that we can use because some reports work others don't. If your reports work it would be helpful to use them as a template.
I am saying this because right now the situation is chaotic, some report what they perceive to be a breach others report all banners, others report some type of banners, etc ..

This is why in my reply to Punky B I asked "what are the specifications of allowed banners." So that we can report everything that is outside of those specs.

Otherwise in 2030 we will be here saying "guys, Clara Chan is at it again!!!, did you see siswet???". That thought frightens me.

To answer your question I reported ocicat for inciting users to create a new username.

Have you reported heyhorny_cb ? She has a floating banner that's doing exactly that too.


They are stealing from each others too.

Chaturbate is leaving everything to us: reporting of bad practices, dmca requests, etc ...
All of this should be handled by chaturbate.

In my view (please read):

- affiliate links have no place on the destination site, this is an aberration, and in no way this is affiliate marketing, merely a blatant technique to implicitly create leaks.
- enticing users to create a new username should be worth a ban, and a forfeit of money made under the new usernames! Can chaturbate states if they agree broadcasters do this: yes or no, permitted or not permitted.
- dmca is to prevent and punish recording and distribution of shows without permission. Anything else is not dmca, merely webmasters using tools provided by cb themselves to which broadcasters agree when they first join.
- models should not be able to block whitelabels since they are chaturbate sites with a different brand and theme. Unless someone can formulate, precisely, why this is a benefit to models.
- API feed should allow to pass visitors IP so that geo block becomes possible for those who want to create a custom page.
- if banners are allowed , what size is allowed: 200px, 500px, 1200px in width?
Surely chaturbate wouldn't allow a banner that is 1200x1200 for example. This is how I want to have them define precisely what is permitted, so we can move forward.
- if banners are allowed , what position is allowed?
- if banners are allowed , how many are allowed?


It is hard to get chaturbate support to make any sort of precise statement they only come back with vague and loose comments: "we will look into it". Or in the case of gfy, they don't even reply at all, they just dump statements and leave us tormented for months/years.

Good luck everyone.

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drexl

https://chaturbate.com/wetdream111/

in bio: "create your account with THIS LINK and get a custom video"

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TheBlackShark

I totally agree with Drexl, thank you for putting so much effort on this unbalanced situation.

Hope that at the end, the solution will come, or many affiliate will going to promote other platform like Stripchat.

This is sad because CB still rocks, but seems less than in past.

GoCastaway

In my opinion there is only 1 way CB can "rescue" this situation.

Put the models back to basic, just a simple BIO and a tiplist like on Stripchat and that's it. So no custom css/overlays etc. we as affiliates also don't have that.

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Markul

They will never do that.

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bill_musk

I have my best start month so far. Apr 1-15 > Mar 1-30

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MeteoMan

Same Here Bro!

oce520

Ocicat stealing bio is still there!

Holy Damage

What are you guys doing with these DMCAs?

I received one yesterday, the stupid cam model DMCA'd my entire category page because I had a fucking iframe with her show

I don't know what to do, just send a counter notification, maybe?

We can't even use promo tools anymore?

Tapaz

That is my problem too! What you do when you get DMCA because you use the cam girl NICKNAME and not even her photo! What is the Chaturbate position about this BIG issue?

TurboB

Simply appeal these DMCA to google , write real situation that you have rights to use that content from CB , and they reinstates your urls.

Today i got DMCA from Chaturbate model for my Stripchat embeded cams site

Tapaz

It takes time to fight all this stuff. And when you have dozen of websites it's next to impossible.

drexl

As community members, broadcasters agree to Chaturbate terms when they sign up, therefore they agree for webmaster to use chaturbate's official promo tools.

You are licensed and therefore allowed to use chaturbate iframes: see paragraph 1 of the appendix B to the terms.

Write an email to [email protected] and ask them to write that iframes are indeed "Promotional Items" belonging to Chaturbate and that they allow you to use them in accordance with their affiliate program

Then issue a counter DMCA notice. Some broadcasters don't understand what DMCA is about: it is to prevent copy of material and recording of shows without authorization, this doesn't apply to official promo tools. They don't own the live broadcast, Chaturbate does. If they want to own the feed they can create a custom site with their own broadcasting platform, and marketing (without affiliates, good luck!)


APPENDIX B TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SERVICE
AFFILIATE AND REFERRAL TERMS:

License to Promotional Items. All Community Members who are currently in compliance with the Terms are hereby granted a revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to utilize the Platform's name, access and download promotional banners, videos, photographs, other promotional materials, and/or promotional materials created by you, provided that such materials are approved by the Company in writing ("Promotional Items"), for use on site(s) or accounts owned by such Community Members ("Referral Sites"). The Promotional Items are licensed to eligible Community Members for the limited purposes of advertising, marketing and promoting the Platform. Any and all licenses granted to Community Members pursuant to the Terms shall immediately cease and revert to us upon the termination or cancellation of the Term. You agree not to share any of the Promotional Items with anyone in any way, which is not in accordance with the Terms and applicable law. You hereby acknowledge and agree that all rights to the Promotional Items belong solely to the Company and/or the Company's licensor(s).

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drexl

Yep. So is heyhorny_cb's "hh_ fishing rod" near the signup button.

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JJE

Anyone else's revshare stats not updating today?

GoCastaway

Looks like hits are almost not counting...

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drexl

If you submit a dmca counter notification your contact information will be forwarded to the broadcaster as well as appearing in a website: lumendatabase.org. Are you comfortable with that?

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GoCastaway

Hits still going down, now on 20% from before april 18

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Speigelau

I have always wondered why models are given so much freedom with coding on their own profile page, I can't recall any other cam site over the last 20 years where this much freedom is given. The fact that models can alter the CB site navigation to benefit them should have been a red flag long ago to CB administration, that some restrictions or limitations need to be in place.

I wish affiliates had this much freedom to input their own code into white labels.

oce520

https://chaturbate.com/ocicat/

how is this slut still has her affiliate link asking people to sign up new account????anyone from cb care to give an answer???last time I spoke with steve he said thats not allowed but I reported her 2 times already and still???

drexl

I feel your pain.

I have a statement from cb, I will prepare a template, see if it works, and post it here so we can report these more efficiently. In the mean time, here is the official statement:

From cb: "Whether intentional or not, independent broadcasters may not ask existing users to create a new account, as this takes away credit from any affiliates who send users to our site by side-stepping our affiliate cookie system. To the extent that you find anyone in violation of this rule, please let us know."

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oce520

For some reason that rule doesn’t seem to be apply to ocicat. Today I got this reply for Cb

“ While we always hope that users will like our site best, we do not get involved with disputes between independent broadcasters and studios. Users of Chaturbate who have not been terminated by Chaturbate for any reason are always free to use their accounts and even close accounts and open new ones.

As part of our site’s terms, we ask each independent broadcaster who signs up for an account to represent to us that use of our service will not violate any right of any third party — which could include any non-compete or exclusivity obligation. In addition, each such independent broadcaster, as a part of creating an account with our site, agrees to indemnify and hold us harmless from and against any liability in connection with any third-party agreement. To the extent that an independent broadcaster adopts that representation by accepting our website terms and signing up for an account, we are not in a position to know whether that representation is false, and we justifiably rely on the veracity of the independent broadcaster's statements.
Thank you,
Support”

I don’t even know what they on about I am not even a studio, but I guess the answer is no?

lockept93

gg chaturbate

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drexl

I'm not sure about that reply you got. It doesn't seem to relate to the same problem, I think they understood you were talking about a dispute between you and a model. What was your original report like?


The answer I got was specifically about "users re-assignment".
If you find anything in a bio that is asking members to sign up a new username then the rule applies.

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Adraco

You must have worded your complaint wrong @oce520 or you got a support person who totally misunderstood.

They have answered your question from the perspective that you would be a user (read: model) on Chaturbate and trying to do something to another model/competitor.

When talking to support, any support, you always need to be VERY clearvand precise on what you are saying, who you are and what you want to say. No blabbing!

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ianmoone332000

She is literally saying on cam to log out, delete your cookies and make new account under this her link.

https://chaturbate.com/naughtykathie/

Someone who knows what they are doing should video record her

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