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Old 12-30-2003, 01:59 PM   #51
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50 spammers getting talked to in a mean way.
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If you can't see the diffence between a chronic power-spammer and someone running a legit list you need more of a bitchslap than I can muster, because there is obviously something not right in your cerebral cortex.

very well said...
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Well it's clear to me that you're convinced of your own superiority and simply start threads so you can demonstrate it. You haven't responded to my assertion that you're motivated more by spite than by a desire to encourage rational discussion.

I'll reiterate my point once again, if you had titled this thread: "You spammers are so fucking stupid, answer me this!", I would've not even posted. What bothers me is that you seem to think you're trying to encourage rational discussion, when in fact you are just out to bash people, even your responses to my posts are indicative of this.

This is the last post I'm going to make on the subject, I'm sure you have better things to do and so do I. Please go ahead and use a few more generalized comebacks like accusing me of talking out of my ass to make yourself feel like you've won the point. I didn't pretend to know you, I was making an observation based on a post you made, you just like using that argument because it fits so nicely on an anonymous adult board.
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even your responses to my posts are indicative of this.
That's because your posts in this thread have been whiney, wordy, and annoying.


Anything else?
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this thread is definitly bullshit
spam started this fucking industry
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Old 12-30-2003, 03:30 PM   #56
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this thread is definitly bullshit
spam started this fucking industry
So, do we unknowingly owe a debt to spammers that we can never repay?
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Spamming got to be too difficult and it wasn't lucrative anymore. Getting around filters and dealing with shady sponsors wasn't worth $50-80 bucks a day anymore. Not to mention the saturation. I submit to TGPs now.
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how about you go stick to your tgp and don't talk shit because you have no fucking idea what you talking about.
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how about you go stick to your tgp and don't talk shit because you have no fucking idea what you talking about.
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Old 12-30-2003, 05:24 PM   #61
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Yes, that was a good one. Big boy qwe slammed me good. ouch.


Next twit will hopefully say something relevant.
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So, do we unknowingly owe a debt to spammers that we can never repay?
no, but you know almost any adult sponsor accept spam traffic in good volume, and spam IS legal, except in some country...
but for sure , talking about something you definitly dont know and trying to argue about doesnt make sense.

mailing adult sites without filtering the list isnt the way to go.
You will make more cash with others products...
but mailing a good processor/opt-in adult targetted list will definitly give excellent result.

Dont respecting remove request is stupid IMHO.
Cause you lose time and cash mailing people who will not buy anyway.

Some spammers remail them with anothers product
Others remove them completely
but spamming people who opted-out for a produit and remail them for the SAME product is stupid and this is mailers like that that make people hate spam.

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Spamming got to be too difficult and it wasn't lucrative anymore. Getting around filters and dealing with shady sponsors wasn't worth $50-80 bucks a day anymore. Not to mention the saturation. I submit to TGPs now.
Or was qwe talking to you? Hard to tell. Hard to tell if you're joking here too FF. You are aware that some spammers claim to be pulling in 300 sales a day, right?
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Or was qwe talking to you? Hard to tell. Hard to tell if you're joking here too FF. You are aware that some spammers claim to be pulling in 300 sales a day, right?
a big mailer can sure make 300 sales a day with good list
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Or was qwe talking to you? Hard to tell. Hard to tell if you're joking here too FF. You are aware that some spammers claim to be pulling in 300 sales a day, right?
300 sales a day? I've never seen such a thing! Good for them huh
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Spam pays bills. People who bitch are just to stupid to accomplish it and therefor are bitching about something they know nothing about. As mad as you are at spammers, Jerry Fallwell is mad at you for being in the porn industry, but I don't see you giving a fuck about that.
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but for sure , talking about something you definitly dont know and trying to argue about doesnt make sense.
You think that because I don't spam that I don't know about spam? THAT is what is retarded dude, making a statement like that is what makes no sense. All I've done here is ask some pointed questions, some have been answered, some haven't.



And pointing out that some sponsors accept spam or look the other way isn't really relevant either. Trying to legitimize the kind of spamming I'm talking about is probably not the brightest ploy on my thread, I could really not care less about what some sponsors do or don't do. Everyone has to live with themselves and their own actions in business and in life, and I can say for certain that at the very least I didn't go pissing off millions of people just to make a buck. One of the things I'm wondering most is how some of them can live with themselves.
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Izzat a fact?
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..All I've done here is ask some pointed questions, some have been answered, some haven't.

Which ones havent been?
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Or was qwe talking to you? Hard to tell. Hard to tell if you're joking here too FF. You are aware that some spammers claim to be pulling in 300 sales a day, right?
no, i was talking to you.. also what you want spammers to say to you I don't get it ? you think anyone here gives a fuck about your outlook filtering skills ? do you post this shit to make yourself feel better by making all haters agree with you? what's the point of your post ?
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I don't spam simply becasue its harder work than creating a bunch of stable websites with quality traffic. The thing about spam is, if you stop doing it... thats it.... your income stops. Once you have a nice network of good sites that are higly SE friendly. You can go for weeks without working and still pay the bills.
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Fuck I've been saying this for several years now. Nice to see others get this concept as well.
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no, i was talking to you.. also what you want spammers to say to you I don't get it ? you think anyone here gives a fuck about your outlook filtering skills ? do you post this shit to make yourself feel better by making all haters agree with you? what's the point of your post ?
Maybe there is no point. Maybe I just want to piss off a few tools like you. Ever think of that?
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I don't spam simply becasue its harder work than creating a bunch of stable websites with quality traffic. The thing about spam is, if you stop doing it... thats it.... your income stops. Once you have a nice network of good sites that are higly SE friendly. You can go for weeks without working and still pay the bills.

Damn I've been lazy since school ended. I'll prob jump back on the ball come the 2nd or 3rd.
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300 sales a day? I've never seen such a thing! Good for them huh
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So you're telling me that when you read about people making millions of dollars a year with very little work, it doesn't bother you in the least? You're obviously not going to admit it, no one ever admits to envy.
I'll admit I'm envious of spammers. But in the same way that I'm envious of drug dealers and contract killers. Sure, the pay is incredible, but my morals and ethics prevent me from doing it.

What I'm interested to know is what kind of luck spammers have applying for mortgages, car loans, etc.
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Spam pays bills. People who bitch are just to stupid to accomplish it and therefor are bitching about something they know nothing about.
Why is it that all spammers have this stupid "holier than thou" attitude?

Spam annoys me. I bitch about it. Doesn't mean I couldn't do it.
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I'll admit I'm envious of spammers. But in the same way that I'm envious of drug dealers and contract killers. Sure, the pay is incredible, but my morals and ethics prevent me from doing it.

What I'm interested to know is what kind of luck spammers have applying for mortgages, car loans, etc.
Well spammer or not, it's not like most people put pornographer down as their occupation on loan applications etc. I always put self employed. So it's pretty much the same as any other business/self employment. You pay your taxes, your bank account statements and tax returns are your proof of income.
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I'll admit I'm envious of spammers. But in the same way that I'm envious of drug dealers and contract killers. Sure, the pay is incredible, but my morals and ethics prevent me from doing it.

What I'm interested to know is what kind of luck spammers have applying for mortgages, car loans, etc.
you do have a brain right ? how the fuck can u compare drug dealers and contract killers to spammers ?
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you do have a brain right ? how the fuck can u compare drug dealers and contract killers to spammers ?
i think he was more comparing the fact that spamming/drug dealing/ect cause you to have to re-evauate your morals and ethics.
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I'm curious about a few things currently being practised by spammers,

...like for example when someone has words like "enlargement" or "Viagra" blocked in their email client's rules, they do so because they want emails containing those words to go directly to their "deleted items" folder (or as I call it, the "shit" bin)... why do spammers change those words in their spam to things like "en-large-ment" or "V*iagra" etc? Is it because you think that if you can fool people's spam filters they will eventually break down and buy something from you? Tell me you don't think people are really that stupid, please.
I've wondered this same thing, I think they are using that tactic to get by the corporate email filters and other email accounts that the spam filters are set in place by the mail service provider.
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Well spammer or not, it's not like most people put pornographer down as their occupation on loan applications etc.
Actually, as an affiliate, all I really do is use my free sites to direct traffic over to porn sites. I don't actually produce porn, never have. I'm sure a lot of webmasters are in the same boat. Are we all pornographers? I don't think so. Webmaster, traffic reseller, online promotion, web developer...... any of those pretty much cover it. And I've never been ashamed to admit to anyone that some of the sites I do this promotion for are adult in nature. I would, however, be mortified to tell anyone straight out that I was a spammer. I know people that would kick the shit out of the first admitted spammer that was stupid enough to fess up to it in their presence.
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Actually, as an affiliate, all I really do is use my free sites to direct traffic over to porn sites. I don't actually produce porn, never have. I'm sure a lot of webmasters are in the same boat. Are we all pornographers? I don't think so. Webmaster, traffic reseller, online promotion, web developer...... any of those pretty much cover it. And I've never been ashamed to admit to anyone that some of the sites I do this promotion for are adult in nature. I would, however, be mortified to tell anyone straight out that I was a spammer. I know people that would kick the shit out of the first admitted spammer that was stupid enough to fess up to it in their presence.
Well, all I have ever used is affiliate programs as well. I've never produced or starred in any type of adult content. I make simple cookie cutter layouts and direct my traffic to the sign up page for the programs.

I on the other hand, would be mortified to tell anyone I was in the adult industry period. I would sugar coat "spammer" as marketing and/or mailer however
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i think he was more comparing the fact that spamming/drug dealing/ect cause you to have to re-evauate your morals and ethics.
bingo.

but now that i think about it, i can easily put spammers and drug dealers in the same boat. any asshole who mails porn to little kids like my 10 year old brother will end up on my shitlist in a heartbeat. same thing for a dealer who triesto push drugs to him

only difference is 99% of dealers won't push dope to a 8 or 10 year old. 99% of spammers couldn't care less who they were pushing their porn sites and penis pills to.
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Well, all I have ever used is affiliate programs as well. I've never produced or starred in any type of adult content. I make simple cookie cutter layouts and direct my traffic to the sign up page for the programs.

I on the other hand, would be mortified to tell anyone I was in the adult industry period. I would sugar coat "spammer" as marketing and/or mailer however
If you're mortified to tell people what you do, why do it?
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Old 12-30-2003, 08:30 PM   #90
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It goes along with the generally accepted feeling among most normal-thinking people that spammers suck ass, that spamming is ranked right up there with cp and scat.


you say scat likes its a bad thing.

how does some consenting, nasty girl frolicking in her own shit even come close on the moral barometer to CP or spam?
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you say scat likes its a bad thing.

how does some consenting, nasty girl frolicking in her own shit even come close on the moral barometer to CP or spam?
You are splitting hairs, you are being nit-picky over words, and you are trying to get into useless little side arguments. Why? No matter which one of those is worse, they are all 3 reviled by the vast majority for one reason or another. That point shouldn't be too hard for anyone to grasp should it?
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If you're mortified to tell people what you do, why do it?
Personally, it doesn't bother me one bit. I tell most of everyone I speak with online what I do. Offline, the people I know simply wouldn't understand. The internet is still unchartered territory to most of my family. I am not ashamed of porn personally, just embarrassed to discuss it with my family or people I do business with offline.

I'm not in the industry because I have a passion for porn. I'm in it for the money. If something else were to come along, that were just as profitable and legal like adult sites are (for the most part), I'd probably switch to that. Not everyone "loves" their job, but everyone loves getting paid.
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bingo.

but now that i think about it, i can easily put spammers and drug dealers in the same boat. any asshole who mails porn to little kids like my 10 year old brother will end up on my shitlist in a heartbeat. same thing for a dealer who triesto push drugs to him

only difference is 99% of dealers won't push dope to a 8 or 10 year old. 99% of spammers couldn't care less who they were pushing their porn sites and penis pills to.
oh ya, how about this:
-kids should not have access to internet and should be supervised by their parents.
-kids with internet are smart enough to find a damn TGP which offers all shit for free.
-tgp gives away porno for free for kids where mailing will require you to use credit card to verify


on your shitlist ? who the fuck cares about shitlist, only you?

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You are splitting hairs, you are being nit-picky over words, and you are trying to get into useless little side arguments. Why? No matter which one of those is worse, they are all 3 reviled by the vast majority for one reason or another. That point shouldn't be too hard for anyone to grasp should it?


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oh ya, how about this:
-kids should not have access to internet and should be supervised by their parents.
-kids with internet are smart enough to find a damn TGP which offers all shit for free.
-tgp gives away porno for free for kids where mailing will require you to use credit card to verify


on your shitlist ? who the fuck cares about shitlist, only you?
- tgps don't randomly pop up kids screens while surfing.
- credit card or not, the spam itself is a XXX FPA.
- my shitlist is also known as my "i'll hunt you down and fuck you up" list.
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- tgps don't randomly pop up kids screens while surfing.
- credit card or not, the spam itself is a XXX FPA.
- my shitlist is also known as my "i'll hunt you down and fuck you up" list.
-actually they do, going to thehun.com is faster then opening your email account and checking email
-well who the fuck gives access to internet to a 10 year old kid
-wow im so scared i'm ganna cry
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-actually they do, going to thehun.com is faster then opening your email account and checking email
-well who the fuck gives access to internet to a 10 year old kid
-wow im so scared i'm ganna cry
the hun doesn't show up unless the surfer wants it to. spam shows up whether or not you want it to. what do you not understand about this? should i draw you a picture?

a lot of 10 year old kids have internet access, and whether or not they're supervised, they're still going to get spam in their inbox and their still going to get on the computer unless you're watching them 24/7 non-stop.

i love how spammers use the "young children should be supervised" excuse in an attempt to justify their spams and ease their conscience.

just because a kid is online unsupervised doesn't mean it's ok to spam him with farm sex sites and big tittied sluts.

that's like a dealer saying "that kid over there is unsupervised, so it must be ok to sell him this crack rock!".

no, wait, a dealer wouldn't do that. at least they have some ethics and morals.
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the hun doesn't show up unless the surfer wants it to. spam shows up whether or not you want it to. what do you not understand about this? should i draw you a picture?

a lot of 10 year old kids have internet access, and whether or not they're supervised, they're still going to get spam in their inbox and their still going to get on the computer unless you're watching them 24/7 non-stop.

i love how spammers use the "young children should be supervised" excuse in an attempt to justify their spams and ease their conscience.

just because a kid is online unsupervised doesn't mean it's ok to spam him with farm sex sites and big tittied sluts.

that's like a dealer saying "that kid over there is unsupervised, so it must be ok to sell him this crack rock!".

no, wait, a dealer wouldn't do that. at least they have some ethics and morals.
i totally understand your point, but you not understanding mine.
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the hun doesn't show up unless the surfer wants it to. spam shows up whether or not you want it to. what do you not understand about this? should i draw you a picture?

a lot of 10 year old kids have internet access, and whether or not they're supervised, they're still going to get spam in their inbox and their still going to get on the computer unless you're watching them 24/7 non-stop.

i love how spammers use the "young children should be supervised" excuse in an attempt to justify their spams and ease their conscience.

just because a kid is online unsupervised doesn't mean it's ok to spam him with farm sex sites and big tittied sluts.

that's like a dealer saying "that kid over there is unsupervised, so it must be ok to sell him this crack rock!".

no, wait, a dealer wouldn't do that. at least they have some ethics and morals.
I'm not justifying kids getting spammed with adult content. Personally, I've never used any obscene text and/images in mail or on landing pages. There are some spammers without morals that don't care what their subjects, bodies or pages show... but again, you can't generalize everyone by the actions of some.

Leaving a child unattended on the internet, without any type of child protection software or filters etc, is the equivalent of leaving a child in the middle of a ghetto, free to roam around from crack house to whore house to in the line of fire by drive by shootings. If you believe some drug dealers don't prey on 10 year olds, you're mistaken. I've heard gang related stories about kids as young as 8 years old. Bottom line is, it's the parents responsibility to monitor what their kids are accessing on the net and any webmaster/pornographer/spammer's "moral obligation" to make sure the material is being seen by adults 18 and over and/or censor it as much as possible, in a way that's still appealing to the adult audience.

TGPs are far worse than any FPA or text email. Any mail I've ever written, has a specific subject and text only body, that is in no way misleading. Ultimately, you can't mark everyone the same, based on only a few. Lastly, except in the state of Virginia and California I believe, spam was never illegal like drug dealing is. It may be against private TOS agreements, but it was never against the law, like slinging crack is. And starting January 1st, it will be even more "legalized" to use email marketing.
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