Spammers answer a couple questions - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

SomeCreep · 12-30-2003, 09:40 PM

100 spammers

hostey_com · 12-30-2003, 09:49 PM

this is going nowhere

cluck · 12-30-2003, 09:51 PM

It's illegal for kids under 13 to communicate on the internet anyway. Why do you think on the GFY terms it says you have to be 13?

And 13 year olds are old enough to see porn if they want to, though they're probably smart enough to know they're not gonna get the free stuff from spam mails.

When I was 13 we used the good old usenet binaries groups and aol private rooms to get our porn.

CDSmith · 12-30-2003, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hostey_com
this is going nowhere

Actually this is a great thread and will be useful for years to come. Now when someone asks "who are all the asshole spammers here?" people can say "go check out CD's thread, they're all there!".

Don't you love it when a plan comes together?

Furious_Male · 12-30-2003, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female
Spamming got to be too difficult and it wasn't lucrative anymore. Getting around filters and dealing with shady sponsors wasn't worth $50-80 bucks a day anymore. Not to mention the saturation. I submit to TGPs now.

that ranks up there with the "I am a virgin" story.

cluck · 12-30-2003, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Male

that ranks up there with the "I am a virgin" story.

But yeah I got out of spam for that very reason. Fuck TGP's though. It sucks coming out of a spam career unless you're a coder, cause if you've just been mailing using other peoples programs you really haven't learned any other skills other than maybe good selling techniques.

Learning all that coding and reverse engineering has proven to be invaluable to me though. It was a smooth transaction into SEO because it's just like trying to beat another system just like developing an AOL client or bypassing filters. Also I've been able to code some badass financial software and I'm doing better with SEO/investing than I did in spam.

CDSmith · 12-30-2003, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cluck
But yeah I got out of spam for that very reason. Fuck TGP's though. It sucks coming out of a spam career unless you're a coder, cause if you've just been mailing using other peoples programs you really haven't learned any other skills other than maybe good selling techniques.

Learning all that coding and reverse engineering has proven to be invaluable to me though. It was a smooth transaction into SEO because it's just like trying to beat another system just like developing an AOL client or bypassing filters. Also I've been able to code some badass financial software and I'm doing better with SEO/investing than I did in spam.

If only other spammers could learn to use their game for good..... instead of evil.

(if "Get Smart" was still on the air I'm sure Don Adams would have said that very thing)

cluck · 12-30-2003, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
If only other spammers could learn to use their game for good..... instead of evil.

(if "Get Smart" was still on the air I'm sure Don Adams would have said that very thing)

I guess I gave it up for good instead of evil. I had been making around $100-$200 a day aim spamming until recently but I stopped because my AOL account got cancelled. If I was still a teenager I would have just scammed some but I guess since I've grown up it actually seems like stealing.

Actually it barely makes sense in my head, but there's something in me that won't let me jack peoples accounts anymore.

Furious_Female · 12-31-2003, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Male

that ranks up there with the "I am a virgin" story.

OMG

And the "I live alone" <s>fable</s> story!

CAHEK · 12-31-2003, 08:25 AM

this post is going and going

DRAMA:

Krome · 12-31-2003, 10:13 AM

I have 3 opt in email lists. One is 200k in size and when I send it out I know that 95% of the people read it and one in 70 will sign up to my site. This is because it is a good newsletter. People email me asking to be on the list. If they are changing emails or putting spam arrest on they ask me to make sure the emails go through. This is because I only send the list out once per week for myself and do not sell the details on.

Here are some examples of my recent mailings:

http://www.ukpornchicks.com/mailer/1/mailer.htm
http://www.ukpornchicks.com/mailer/6/debbie.htm

I have a few other lists 1 million plus of expired members. These I only get an 80% open rate and 1 in 2000 join.

Ice · 12-31-2003, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Male

that ranks up there with the "I am a virgin" story.

You mean FF isn't a virgin? Well my perception of FF is just blown all to hell now

EZRhino · 12-31-2003, 10:49 AM

Furious_Female · 12-31-2003, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceicebaby

You mean FF isn't a virgin? Well my perception of FF is just blown all to hell now

Don't listen to Furious_Male! I'm pure as snow!

Ice · 12-31-2003, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

Don't listen to Furious_Male! I'm pure as snow!

OMG I almost fell off my chair from laughing so hard.... STOP STOP I have tears in my eyes

Furious_Female · 12-31-2003, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceicebaby

http://www.kittenexposed.com/rofl.gif[/IMG]
OMG I almost fell off my chair from laughing so hard.... STOP STOP I have tears in my eyes

It's true!

CDSmith · 12-31-2003, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Krome
I have 3 opt in email lists. One is 200k in size and when I send it out I know that 95% of the people read it and one in 70 will sign up to my site. This is because it is a good newsletter. People email me asking to be on the list. If they are changing emails or putting spam arrest on they ask me to make sure the emails go through. This is because I only send the list out once per week for myself and do not sell the details on.

Here are some examples of my recent mailings:

http://www.ukpornchicks.com/mailer/1/mailer.htm
http://www.ukpornchicks.com/mailer/6/debbie.htm

I have a few other lists 1 million plus of expired members. These I only get an 80% open rate and 1 in 2000 join.

I have no problem with opt-in whatsoever. As long as the "removal" link is working and honored at all times I don't see where anyone would have issues there.

However, from what I understand, the definition of "opt-in" varies among the chronic spammers. Like the spammer who buys a huge list from a seller who swears it is 100% "opt-in".... well, now that it's sold is it really still opt-in? Maybe those people opted in for <i>something</i>, but did they opt in for the crap the spammer is pushing? I doubt it. I think that when lists are sold they can no longer be considered opt in.

- Jesus Christ - · 12-31-2003, 11:51 AM

Furious_Female, im from upstate NY too.

I could stop by and inspect.

Ice · 12-31-2003, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

It's true!

Yes it is true I am laughing hysterically right now

Ice · 12-31-2003, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Furious_Female, im from upstate NY too.

I could stop by and inspect.

Stop by and pick me up on the way bro

Furious_Female · 12-31-2003, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Furious_Female, im from upstate NY too.

I could stop by and inspect.

I've been told I need a little Jesus in my life!

Furious_Female · 12-31-2003, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceicebaby

Yes it is true I am laughing hysterically right now

I get the impression you don't believe me!

foolio · 12-31-2003, 11:54 AM

If you believe the 'remove' crap in spam is really there to 'remove' you then you are a complete tard.

CDSmith · 12-31-2003, 11:55 AM

I'm a born-again virgin. That should count for something.

It's.... it's been so long.

Ice · 12-31-2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

I get the impression you don't believe me!

I believe you... nothing but luv for ya darlin...

CDSmith · 12-31-2003, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by foolio
If you believe the 'remove' crap in spam is really there to 'remove' you then you are a complete tard.

Feel better about yourself now? Twit. I'm not saying "what I believe" with regard to the removal link, I'm stating what is right and what is wrong, period.

It's hard to get a point across to those who can't understand the plainly written word. Ah well whatcha gonna do?

Furious_Female · 12-31-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceicebaby

I believe you... nothing but luv for ya darlin...

Awwwwww I love that emoticon!

::steals it::

Ironhorse · 12-31-2003, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
Yes, don't even get me started on the whole practice of having fake "removal" links that instead of removing you it just confirms your email as being active.

Yes I don't get this one at all. I tell the spammer I don't ever click on the shit, I don't ever pay for his crap, I try to remove my email and the shit multiplies. Where is the logic here? This is wasting so many people's time and energy that these criminals really should be put away for a long time

Ironhorse · 12-31-2003, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skillfull
this thread is definitly bullshit
spam started this fucking industry

That's as ignorant as saying US was founded by slavedrivers so slavery is ok

noble19 · 12-31-2003, 12:16 PM

who's spamming

www.sleazybeavercash.com

www.sleazybeaverpatrol.com

Swanks · 12-31-2003, 01:44 PM

When people ask me what i do i simply tell them i own my own buisness as i do and i work online or that im an online marketer. I dont only deal with spam but various other things online as well.

For those of you idiots on the other side of the fence who "think" you know what your talking about.. take some time to read what ive typed below, I know what im talking about and its based on experience and facts not media hype.

(broke into 2 posts)

Im a firm believer of bulk mailing responsibly. Use valid froms, a valid working remove link, process your removes, keep your campaigns nice and clean. Spam is frowned upon in our society yet people fail to realize in how many other ways we see spam daily.. POSTAL SPAM (hey thats bad on the enviroment and is much harder to dispose of), TV commercials, billboards, postboards, radio, people on street corners, telemarketers and i could go on and on.. Id like to go back to postal spam.. Pain in the ass isnt it? Youve got to walk to your mailbox, get it, throw it away then which takes up trashcan space or shred it if it contains personal information.. Now lets talk about "virtual mail", Pain in the ass? NO.. Easy to get rid of? YES.. A simple click of a mouse button and its gone..

Some of you may ask yourself, "Why am i getting this goddamn spam!!? I didnt submit to this shit!".. Well listen.. Its very simple and the most common mistake is imcompitent surfers not reading forms and watching what they are doing.. For example say you just buy this nice nifty little router from best buy and you fill out the form to send it for warranty, you see a selection for email, you think to yourself "Hey sweet i can be updated online about their products" yet you fail to notice the text stating (you may receive offers from our partners etc etc).. You know what this means now? This company now has your authorization to spam you, sell your email to other brokers who then can sell your email to additional bulkers and spam it to hell.. Ok so now your saying, "Well then all i have to do is remove myself then im fine!" Wrong! Not always this simple.. Now that your email has been passed around you must try to remove yourself from EVERY new offer you receive now and hope it wasnt passed to more organizations.. So your saying to yourself, thats fucked up they cant do this! Wrong! Yes we can do this and its 100% legal.. Now that was with a simple physical form... Lets say you sign up to a website and it asks for your email.. you fill it in and once again forget to read their TOS or AUP etc which states basically the samething ive stated above! Again its YOUR FAULT, so quit bitching and accusing spammers of wrong doing when you in fact werent smart enough to read it all!

Ok so now some of you may be saying well i didnt do any of that (rrright... play the innocent act..), ok ok.. Lets assume you posted your email on a website, BBS, or other online source.. Programs such as email harvesters can scour these links and the web for email addresses, but such ways arent always as affective. Ok Now ill explain such services as AOL,YAHOO,HOTMAIL.. With these services its almost impossible to not receive spam due to the poor poor infrastructure of them.. We are able to create internal programs that will harvest emails from these webmail services database whether or not you like it.. Is this your problem, No.. well yes.. GET A BETTER WEBMAIL SERVICE. Until they fix these issues be prepared to receive spam no matter what.

Alright now that weve discussed the most common ways of getting spam Ill explain how to reduce your spam..

1) Do not submit your email address to any form unless you dont care to receive their adds, their partners adds, their partners partners adds and so fourth..

2) Go with a email service that uses a good filtering system, EG britemail, Spamassasin etc..

3) Now that you have a pretty good service for mail your next step is to install a commercial filtering system for your mail client (outlook, eudora etc).

4) If you receive spam and they provide a remove link MAKE USE OF IT! Regardless of the bullshit you may hear. "spammers use remove links so they can add your email to their list to spam again!" This is an old fabricated statement many "netnazi cocksuckers" use.. oh im sorry let me explain something.. (net nazi cocksuckers = anti spammers). Let me break down this bullshit statement for you.. Ok they are saying we use it to add your email to our list! Why would we want to do that.. You just received a spam right? So wouldnt that mean we have it? Yes.. Ok so then you say well you may want to just have it to spam! Wrong.. Thats completely outrageous, why spam someone whos obviously not interested? Just uses up our resources and increases mailing time more while decreasing proffits.

5) Responding back to the email will not get you removed so dont plan on going that route. As well the unresponsible mailers tend to use spam mail as their froms which creates alot of havoc. At this point just delete the email.. Doenst take long now does it? Pretty easy right?

Ok so weve touched how to cut down on spam.. Lets explain what types of spam you get.. Youve got adult spams, mainstream spam, RX, Services and more.. Id like to mention that I disaprove of spamming porn to non optin emails as i believe its a waste and is one of the reasons behind CAN-SPAM and simply doesnt convert as well as processor db's and various other optin databases. I see some of you mentioning "child porn" spam and claiming we do this.. We are not fucking disgusting low life pieces of trash.. Those are SICK individuals and criminals who spam that trash.. DO NOT get us confused.. Arrogant comments such as those and the statements that all spammers are scammers make me sick.. Since i mentioned scam spams, we do not condone this nor do we do these types.. The anti spam community and media tends to like to blame us for all of it and if you notice alot of the time the so called "spam" related cases were in fact NOT spam related and moreoff SCAM related.. THOSE ARE SCAMMERS NOT SPAMMERS. Notice how they try to say spammers are the culprits? Another scheme to put a bad image to bulk mail marketing.. I myself investigate and turn in every single bit of these types of emails and operations i come across as i cannot stand them either.

Swanks · 12-31-2003, 01:46 PM

Alright now to the CAN-SPAM bill. Most of you are saying YAY this is going to stop spammers! Wrong.. This is going to open the "Spam Dam" so to speak... Its going to be the wild wild west all over again only this time on the "online frontier". You are going to see more spam than ever now and from all sorts of sources. Not only will you see the same spam already, you will see a significant increase from legit mailers as well.. Some spammers will go legit and some spammers wont. Some spammers will stop and some will continue to pursue this lucrative buisness practice. Higher organizations are already proffiting off bulkmail and will continue to proffit from it even more now. Youd be suprised at who all has a part in email marketing.. companies youd never even think would.. Majority of anti spammers hate this new law then of course.. the other half love it. Why? Becuase they are going to be making money off this as they are the "flakes" of the antispam industry and arent in it to stop the problem but to benefit from it.. They do not want to see spam stop.. its feeding their children.. its paying their bills. As well the same on our part.. I guess you can say we both benefit off each other. In addition to this it creates new technology.. When antis eliminate our new technology we create even more advanced ways.. You see what im getting at? Technology improving.. Something that is good for society.. Which Id like to post a snip from what "Ron guilmette" (monkeys.com) posted on NANAE about what he heard from a group of lawyers while he was at once of his hearings.

Quote:

From: Ronald F. Guilmette ([email protected])
Subject: Re: interesting conversations
View: Complete Thread (53 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: 2003-12-12 00:49:57 PST

"Terry L. Ridder" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> hello;
>
> yesterday, while in chicago for a court hearing, i had some time to
> waste before the hearing. while getting some coffee while waiting for
> my lawyer, i happened upon a group of lawyers having a discussion about
> spam. below is the jest of the conversations.
>
> the various government agencies do not have the expertise nor the budget
> to investigate and go after spammers.
>
> going after spammers is not a priority.
>
> spam, is helping the economy recover. the national isps must increase
> their bandwidth capacity to compensate for the amount taken what up
> by all the spam. the money spent on increasing bandwidth capacity has
> kept the technology sector from suffering worse than it all ready has.
>
> spam, also has created jobs in the anti-spam market. sales of anti-spam
> software and anti-virus software also have kept the technology sector
> from suffering worse than it all ready has.
>
> the can-spam bill is not meant to be taken seriously, it is meant to be
> an appeasement for the more vocal anti-spammers.
>
> spam, virus, and worms, keep *it* departments employed and gives them
> something to do. also keeps abuse/help desk personnel employed.
>
> if all spam, virus, and worms miraculously disappeared overnight, the
> technology sector would collapse. the internet would have excess
> bandwidth capacity which would cause technology stocks to plummet.
> technology stocks plummet other sectors would suffer a ripple-effect.
> the economic recovery would be reversed.
>
> fighting spam is equivalent to being anti-economic recovery.
>
> snail mail junk mail and telemarketing junk telephone calls do not
> affect the economic recovery to any degree as much as spam, virus,
> and worms do.
>
> a private action clause would have been nice in the can-spam bill
> since we (the lawyers) would be able to make *money* off the spam,
> either by defending it or sueing over it.
>
> spam, virus, and worms spur technological innovation. spam, virus,
> and worms circumvent *old* technology cause *new* technological
> innovations to stop the spam, virus, and worms. the *new* technological
> innovations against spam, virus, and worms causes *newer* technological
> innovations to circumvent the *new* technological innovations.
> technological innovation spurs the ecconomic recovery.

Very interesting isnt it?

Alright let me break down a few of the important sections of CAN-SPAM for you all as it sits as of right now..

Quote:

SEC. 11. IMPROVING ENFORCEMENT BY PROVIDING REWARDS FOR INFORMATION ABOUT VIOLATIONS; LABELING.

The Commission shall transmit to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and the House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce--

(1) a report, within 9 months after the date of enactment of this Act, that sets forth a system for rewarding those who supply information about violations of this Act, including--

(A) procedures for the Commission to grant a reward of not less than 20 percent of the total civil penalty collected for a violation of this Act to the first person that--

(i) identifies the person in violation of this Act; and

(ii) supplies information that leads to the successful collection of a civil penalty by the Commission; and

(B) procedures to minimize the burden of submitting a complaint to the Commission concerning violations of this Act, including procedures to allow the electronic submission of complaints to the Commission; and

(2) a report, within 18 months after the date of enactment of this Act, that sets forth a plan for requiring commercial electronic mail to be identifiable from its subject line, by means of compliance with Internet Engineering Task Force Standards, the use of the characters `ADV' in the subject line, or other comparable identifier, or an explanation of any concerns the Commission has that cause the Commission to recommend against the plan.

(1) As of the 1st there will be no reward system setup yet thus leaving snitches and broke ass anti's unable to cash in until the committee sets fourth some sort of "snitch system". Allows yet more time. With this being said it is very important we watch who we deal with and what information we give out.. I notice many of you on this board just whoring out personal info like candy at a parade.

(2) According to this there currently is no actual means specified in which we must identify the content. According to SEC. 5 (a) (2) it states..

Quote:

(2) PROHIBITION OF DECEPTIVE SUBJECT HEADINGS- It is unlawful for any person to initiate the transmission to a protected computer of a commercial electronic mail message if such person has actual knowledge, or knowledge fairly implied on the basis of objective circumstances, that a subject heading of the message would be likely to mislead a recipient, acting reasonably under the circumstances, about a material fact regarding the contents or subject matter of the message (consistent with the criteria are used in enforcement of section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 45)).

According to this we must only use subjects that generally partain to the email content in question. It doesnt state that any identifiable tags must be used, e.g. ADV:, PORN ADD etc.. Now Back to SEC 11 (2) it stated that the committee has 18 months to decide on such a system.

Now with this being said, though it officially will go into effect january 1, 2004, I dont believe it will go into full effect until at least another year or better. This will take some time to kick in and believe me it wont be an easy task enforcing especially right off the bat. You can only imagine how many companies, people, corporations will be flocking to this method of advertising, both legally and illegally.

Ill end with this...

Quote:

"Spam will always be a part of the Internet. There will be death, and taxes, and spam."

- Nicholas Graham, AOL Spokesman

..

Swank

Krome · 12-31-2003, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
I have no problem with opt-in whatsoever. As long as the "removal" link is working and honored at all times I don't see where anyone would have issues there.

However, from what I understand, the definition of "opt-in" varies among the chronic spammers. Like the spammer who buys a huge list from a seller who swears it is 100% "opt-in".... well, now that it's sold is it really still opt-in? Maybe those people opted in for <i>something</i>, but did they opt in for the crap the spammer is pushing? I doubt it. I think that when lists are sold they can no longer be considered opt in.

I know full well that you dont like me. When you respond to what I am going to say please to it as though you dont know me.

If I buy in an email list that is 'opt in' in it never really is as you can only ever buy double opt in to get quality. I know on the www.adultlabel.com opt in list for the launch out of the 1750 who have subscribed only 900 will get the mail as the other did not double opt in (click the email confirmation link).

People will continue to mail because it makes money. If I mail which takes me an hour to set up and run I will set myself up to make over $25k that week. I know if I spammed I could make more, probably 5 times the amount.

What would you rather do a tgp post and get listed on the hun (maybe) or mail and definitly make more?

prophit · 12-31-2003, 02:28 PM

Nicely said Swank. To add to this... text is munged not because of personal filters but because of ISP filters. Two different things. Second of all, ISPs do everything in there power to filter how incoming e-mails w/ removal links, this is so contradictory. If you should be mad at anyone be mad at the media. Media promotes boom in business fields, which shouldn't need growth. They have public specials on Paris Hilton sex tape that gets loose and president clinton that got "oral sex". "Mommy what is oral sex and Paris Hilton sex tape" I am tired of all of these individuals attacking mosquitos rather then nest in which they breed.

CDSmith · 12-31-2003, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Krome
I know full well that you dont like me.

Where did you ever get that notion from? I've kidded around with you, even made the odd cartoon about you....

<img SRC="http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/krometoon.jpg">

...but I've never said anything to lead anyone to think I "don't like you". At least not to my knowledge. You sure you haven't got me confused with someone less..... personable?

Quote:

Originally posted by Krome
If I buy in an email list that is 'opt in' in it never really is as you can only ever buy double opt in to get quality. I know on the www.adultlabel.com opt in list for the launch out of the 1750 who have subscribed only 900 will get the mail as the other did not double opt in (click the email confirmation link).

People will continue to mail because it makes money. If I mail which takes me an hour to set up and run I will set myself up to make over $25k that week. I know if I spammed I could make more, probably 5 times the amount.

What would you rather do a tgp post and get listed on the hun (maybe) or mail and definitly make more?

As I said, your way of mailing seems pretty okay to me. I said that clearly in my earlier reply to you dude, and explained why, and explained what the exceptions would be. I don't see where you and I have a problem whatsoever. Do you?

CDSmith · 12-31-2003, 03:00 PM

Nice post Swank. Long yes, but those who are here to learn might actually read it all. The semi-literate with ADS won't.

I always uncheck those "authorized updates" checkboxes at retail sites. Always have, always will. I know what I want, when I want it, I don't need their 'updates' to tell me that, nor do I need the avalanche of spam from their "partners" either, as you mentioned. This particular point of yours would have been useful for some on that other "spam" thread I saw the other day here.

fyrflygrl · 12-31-2003, 03:38 PM

For those of you that thought this thread was going nowhere...

This thread rocks! I've read it once, and I'm going to read it again... do I need permission from anyone to mention this thread or this post in an article? Would that be kewl or no?

It's fucking eye-opening to read about both sides of the spam coin, and this is a 'first time' in my adult industry experience.

Again, fucking awesome.

Fyrflygrl

prophit · 01-01-2004, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fyrflygrl
For those of you that thought this thread was going nowhere...

This thread rocks! I've read it once, and I'm going to read it again... do I need permission from anyone to mention this thread or this post in an article? Would that be kewl or no?

It's fucking eye-opening to read about both sides of the spam coin, and this is a 'first time' in my adult industry experience.

Again, fucking awesome.

Fyrflygrl

No you can not use the thread in an article. ;) Keep people thinking that spammers are a bunch of trolls with no morales. Don't tell them that the hundreds of pop-ups are cause by spyware that has infected million of machines. Or remind them SE spammers are the reason why they can't find anything important in SE anymore. Or that people spend 10 times more time watching ads in movie theaters, radio ads, tv junk mail. The sheer magnitude of the dose of reality that you will give them will distort their reality and they will have to check into Bellvue.

qwe · 01-01-2004, 09:18 PM

also if you think about it, it's good that those no life anti's fighting spam, because if nobody would be against it then everybody would mail and it would "kill" internet/emails.. also the less people spam the more money there is to make... antis make it hard for people to start up thats why many fail and only big dogs stay... it's a bitch to find stable hosts offshore/good proxies but hey nothing is easy in this world...

404 · 01-01-2004, 11:07 PM

i regurgitate on spammers from a great height

bigdog · 01-02-2004, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

I'm not justifying kids getting spammed with adult content. Personally, I've never used any obscene text and/images in mail or on landing pages. There are some spammers without morals that don't care what their subjects, bodies or pages show... but again, you can't generalize everyone by the actions of some.

Leaving a child unattended on the internet, without any type of child protection software or filters etc, is the equivalent of leaving a child in the middle of a ghetto, free to roam around from crack house to whore house to in the line of fire by drive by shootings. If you believe some drug dealers don't prey on 10 year olds, you're mistaken. I've heard gang related stories about kids as young as 8 years old. Bottom line is, it's the parents responsibility to monitor what their kids are accessing on the net and any webmaster/pornographer/spammer's "moral obligation" to make sure the material is being seen by adults 18 and over and/or censor it as much as possible, in a way that's still appealing to the adult audience.

TGPs are far worse than any FPA or text email. Any mail I've ever written, has a specific subject and text only body, that is in no way misleading. Ultimately, you can't mark everyone the same, based on only a few. Lastly, except in the state of Virginia and California I believe, spam was never illegal like drug dealing is. It may be against private TOS agreements, but it was never against the law, like slinging crack is. And starting January 1st, it will be even more "legalized" to use email marketing.

do you use proxies or mail direct?

maxjohan · 01-02-2004, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digipimp

No suprise really. They just generally don't give a fuck and are money at any cost type of people and many people who aren't spammers only aren't because they don't know how. This biz as are most are dominated by money at any cost type of people. They really don't give a fuck about what they do or who they spam as long as they get paid, then they're enabled by supposedly legit sponsors that say they don't allow spam. We all know that means unless you make a lot of money spamming we don't allow spam.

well said.

Vitasoy · 01-02-2004, 03:22 PM

what a thread

ytcracker · 01-02-2004, 03:29 PM

swank rules

*clap clap clap clap clap*

well put brotha

www.ytcracker.com/media.htm

Swanks · 01-02-2004, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ytcracker
swank rules

*clap clap clap clap clap*

well put brotha

www.ytcracker.com/media.htm

Just gotta give the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Media Misconception is a bitch.

Im loving, http://www.ytcracker.com/music/angelpool%20-%20time.mp3 , the beat has a CO feel to it and it hits perfect.

http://www.ytcracker.com/music/ytcracker[feat.%20303infinity]%20-%20penned%20secretions.mp3 ,bad ass beat with a classic twist to it

ohh yea cant forget http://www.ytcracker.com/music/spamt...0is%20spam.mp3

I havent dropped anything for real in a few years or so. I need to bust out some software and a pen n pad.

12-30-2003, 09:40 PM	#101
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	100 spammers __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

12-30-2003, 09:49 PM	#102
hostey_com Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I can see the Ocean from here... Posts: 509	this is going nowhere __________________ Why search Google when you can search Thongle?

12-30-2003, 09:51 PM	#103
cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	It's illegal for kids under 13 to communicate on the internet anyway. Why do you think on the GFY terms it says you have to be 13? And 13 year olds are old enough to see porn if they want to, though they're probably smart enough to know they're not gonna get the free stuff from spam mails. When I was 13 we used the good old usenet binaries groups and aol private rooms to get our porn. __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

12-31-2003, 08:25 AM	#110
CAHEK C.C.C.P. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Novorossiya Posts: 6,940	this post is going and going DRAMA: __________________ Pharma from True-Meds. High converting shop in Europe and USA, fast payouts via BTC !!!

12-31-2003, 11:51 AM	#118
- Jesus Christ - Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ::::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: ::::::\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|:::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Posts: 7,197	Furious_Female, im from upstate NY too. I could stop by and inspect. __________________ Amen

12-31-2003, 10:13 AM	#111
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	I have 3 opt in email lists. One is 200k in size and when I send it out I know that 95% of the people read it and one in 70 will sign up to my site. This is because it is a good newsletter. People email me asking to be on the list. If they are changing emails or putting spam arrest on they ask me to make sure the emails go through. This is because I only send the list out once per week for myself and do not sell the details on. Here are some examples of my recent mailings: http://www.ukpornchicks.com/mailer/1/mailer.htm http://www.ukpornchicks.com/mailer/6/debbie.htm I have a few other lists 1 million plus of expired members. These I only get an 80% open rate and 1 in 2000 join.

12-31-2003, 10:49 AM	#113
EZRhino Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: couch Posts: 6,258

12-31-2003, 11:54 AM	#123
foolio ICQ: 178725656 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 12,366	If you believe the 'remove' crap in spam is really there to 'remove' you then you are a complete tard. __________________

12-31-2003, 11:55 AM	#124
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I'm a born-again virgin. That should count for something. It's.... it's been so long. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

12-31-2003, 12:16 PM	#130
noble19 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 70	who's spamming www.sleazybeavercash.com www.sleazybeaverpatrol.com

12-31-2003, 02:28 PM	#134
prophit Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Owned !! Posts: 42	Nicely said Swank. To add to this... text is munged not because of personal filters but because of ISP filters. Two different things. Second of all, ISPs do everything in there power to filter how incoming e-mails w/ removal links, this is so contradictory. If you should be mad at anyone be mad at the media. Media promotes boom in business fields, which shouldn't need growth. They have public specials on Paris Hilton sex tape that gets loose and president clinton that got "oral sex". "Mommy what is oral sex and Paris Hilton sex tape" I am tired of all of these individuals attacking mosquitos rather then nest in which they breed.

12-31-2003, 03:00 PM	#136
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Nice post Swank. Long yes, but those who are here to learn might actually read it all. The semi-literate with ADS won't. I always uncheck those "authorized updates" checkboxes at retail sites. Always have, always will. I know what I want, when I want it, I don't need their 'updates' to tell me that, nor do I need the avalanche of spam from their "partners" either, as you mentioned. This particular point of yours would have been useful for some on that other "spam" thread I saw the other day here. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

12-31-2003, 03:38 PM	#137
fyrflygrl Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 250	For those of you that thought this thread was going nowhere... This thread rocks! I've read it once, and I'm going to read it again... do I need permission from anyone to mention this thread or this post in an article? Would that be kewl or no? It's fucking eye-opening to read about both sides of the spam coin, and this is a 'first time' in my adult industry experience. Again, fucking awesome. Fyrflygrl __________________ Fyrflygrl! Reciprocal links are great, but you can get High Ranked one way links at LinkAdage Auctions!

01-01-2004, 09:18 PM	#139
qwe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,109	also if you think about it, it's good that those no life anti's fighting spam, because if nobody would be against it then everybody would mail and it would "kill" internet/emails.. also the less people spam the more money there is to make... antis make it hard for people to start up thats why many fail and only big dogs stay... it's a bitch to find stable hosts offshore/good proxies but hey nothing is easy in this world...

01-01-2004, 11:07 PM	#140
404 Confirmed abUser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage Posts: 1,154	i regurgitate on spammers from a great height __________________ (b] cheap hmtl programer for hire (/b)

01-02-2004, 03:22 PM	#143
Vitasoy GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 58,202	what a thread __________________ [email protected]

01-02-2004, 03:29 PM	#144
ytcracker stc is the greatest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: rip sean murray Posts: 12,403	swank rules clap clap clap clap clap well put brotha www.ytcracker.com/media.htm __________________ www.ytcracker.com \| www.digitalgangster.com i love you