Roger

I'm amazed you didn't laugh your ass off at Bush's speech.

Sex is bad, please don't do it.
Gays are bad.
Drugs are bad.
Porn is bad.
God is guiding me.

That alone should be enough for anyone.

Roger

What point? If gays are part of society they should be allowed all the benefits that come with. It's not as if they don't pay there taxes or are living by there own sets of laws.

Rich

You're a fucking idiot, you totally missed the point. Wake up, it's not an election, it's human rights. If 60% of people in a state don't want black people to be allowed in white stores, well that doesn't fucking matter, does it? That just makes them retarted rednecks, it doesn't mean they should get their way.

Rich

Why, because people don't like Bush, and support gay marrige? What the fuck does that have to do with turnover in our industry? You need to learn how to make sense pal, your arguments are getting lammer and lammer. hmm, funny how you bitched out of that thread yesterday when asked if you support the extreme neo con agendy. Either back up your words or shut the fuck up.

jas1552

Gays have the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else.

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look child, when the teacher speaks about things you don't understand, don't ask the teacher to make sense, ask him to dumb it down for you.

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Centurion

Agreed!

But Bush is pandering big time to the Religious Right since they are insisting on this. The Right wing has always had to have some enemy, and since the end of Communism, it was hard to find one.

BUT..then they discovered GAYS and all the terrifying horrors they are perpetrating on the United States. My god..we can't have people openly loving others..no matter what sex.

It's WAR that makes this a truly "Godly" country! Not love!

Centurion

You want to REWARD families? WHY? Families are no more "special" than individual humans. And you argue against sanctioning gay marriage..yet that is EXACTLY what the government is doing..but only for heterosexual couples.

The government should STAY out of the marriage business completely!! I thought Conservatives were AGAINST the government getting in everyone's business?

Centurion

Agreed! You must be bankrupt by now!!

Cassie

its funny how segregation was suppose to end in the 60's but yet it's still very rampant today. rather then a race it is now a gender. i wonder if i will be allowed to vote, since i am a woman ya know

gay relationships do not bother me. its a relationship between two people and if it happens to be of the same sex, so be it. those relationships arent effecting me in any way just like heterosexual relationships dont.

lets concern ourselves with important issues like why are so many kid killing each other and being kidnapped. lets worry about those who had jobs for 25 years and are now on the unemployment line. lets worry about large corp execs stealing money from not only those who work for them but their clients as well.

there are far more important issues to worry about then who lays in bed with who.

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12clicks

Incorrect child. Families are raising our future.

Yes, the couples that are responsible for raising our future.

ahhh, the misguided youth.

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Carrie

I don't even think "stunning" is quite the word. Incredulous perhaps?
Keep in mind she meant gov't sanctioned book burnings, not just a few nuts screaming over a local fire.

jas1552

Lol wtf? Yeah we shouldn't have seperate public restrooms for men and women. It's discrimination and it's wrong.

12clicks

yet liberals spend every day pandering for the gay vote by demanding to recognize a union that has never been recognized in human history.

I love it.

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Carrie

Please quote for me exactly where Bush mentioned porn in this speech.

I actually watched the whole thing (at 3am this morning) while reading the transcript.
Quit putting words into his mouth... goodness knows he's got enough stuffed in there as it is.

Cassie

what rock did you crawl out of? get the point i am making or dont join the conversation. who the hell is talking about bathrooms and what the hell does that have to do with anything?

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Cassie

so youre saying gay couples who are raising a family shouldnt be recognized? and who suffers from that?

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PlayGirl

bush

12clicks

gay couples can't raise a family of their own and shouldn't raise someone else's.

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jas1552

You mentioned something about segregation of gender. Seperate public restrooms for men and women is the only example I thought of off hand where there is segregation of gender. Unless you are referring to gays as a gender in which case you're an idiot.

Carrie

In case no one noticed, it takes a man and a woman to make a family.

In all of human history there has yet to be two men who could conceive, carry, and birth a baby. There has yet to be two women who could conceive, carry, and birth a baby.

Cassie

and why cant they? i guess you feel the same about a couple who cant have children either and turn to adoption as a form of child bearing (for a lack of better wording) because it is the same thing.

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12clicks

No, that's the idiot's version that I figured you'd come up with.

A child needs a mother and a father to have the best chance in life.
A child shouldn't be deprived of one or the other because Jimmy and Timmy want to play the full version of house.

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Cassie

make sense will you.....

male and female cant have kids, they turn to adoption

male/male-female/female can have kids technically but they still turn to adoption

all can raise kids equally....

god i hate to see your warped views on single parenthood but im not really interested in knowing so please dont elaborate.

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Joe Citizen

The Taliban attacked the U.S?

You are a moron.

jas1552

A child needs a mother and a father. Single parenthood happens either through irresponsibility or tragedy.

doornx

Jeezz that's shortsighted..what about all the single parents
raising kids...never mind,,,i don't think i want to know...

We need CLARK FOR PRESIDENT!!!

i can't take another 4 years watching his ugle mugg terrorizing the world

jas1552

They are irresponsible or unfortunate.

Libertine

So you are not a proponent of laissez-faire capitalism, but instead want a government which dictates how people should live? I'd almost think you're a commie

Aside from that, lesbian couples actually do a better job at raising kids than straight couples. Gay couples can also adopt kids, something that is very beneficial to society (kids tend to do better in any situation which provides two parents in comparison to orphanages and such).

Something you could also wonder about is if the possibility of marriage endorsed by the state is what creates long-term, stable relationships. Wouldn't the people who choose to get married stay together for a longer time than those who choose not to get married anyway?

The argument of straight marriages being better for society than gay marriages doesn't hold if you're taking a practical point of view. The only reason one can say straight marriages should be supported by the government and gay marriages should not comes from either religion or conservatism for the sake of conservatism.

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SexxxyChat-T

Back in the 1860's a majority of Americans didn't want to end slavery, even in the North. There was a war over it because ending slavery was the right thing to do.

Back in the early 1900's a majority of Americans didn't want to give women the right to vote. The judges gave them that right because it was the right thing to do.

Back in the 1960's a majority of Americans didn't want to end segregation either. There was nearly a rebellion over it, and it brought about civil rights - because it was the right thing to do.

Now we face the same issue - should gays have the same rights as every other American?

A majority of Americans don't want to give the gays the rights to marriage. The judges are interpreting the Constitution "All men are created equal" this means that even gay men and women should have the same rights as people like you and me. - it is the right thing to do.

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Gimmy

And what makes you think you're not one of them

12clicks

I'll dumb it down for you if that's what you need.

and provide a child with a mother and father which is the best way to raise a child.

They can? they teach health class differently where you're from I guess.

nope. you're wrong. its no where near equally.

why, you fail there too?

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jas1552

Common sense works too.

12clicks

by seeing my detractors.

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Joe Citizen

OWN3D!

jas1552

They do. They have the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

doornx

This man is ruining our free world as we know it and you're starting to talk bullcrap about gay marriage and their incapabilties regarding raising kids.

Could it be that you were raised by republican monkeys

CamChicks

a surprising number of bigots on this board.

It doesn't matter what the majority thinks. Human rights
superceed democracy. The constitution and bill of rights
were required to protect minorites from majorities.

desegregation was equally unpopular.

It's offensive Bush even suggested taking a document that gaurantees freedoms,
and adding a provision (it would be the only one) that denys freedom.

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acctman

any president could of invaded a country and won. he lied and said it was because of WDM then it was terrorism then it was to free the people make up you mind. he BS'd his way into a war... stop believing what the FOX news channel tells you or wants you to believe. Isn't funny how the focused shifted from finding Bin Laden to invading Iraq. that's all BS, he literally put the safety of the people of the US aside to pursue something else. if you can understand and see that god help you...

Iraq was no threat to us, and they never really was. if there was WDM don't you think they'd use the weapons instead of fucking running and hidding

and another thing Americans really do care about the Iraqi people, that's just bullshit. after 9/11 americans wanted to bomb and kill anyone in the middle east. now we're all supposely wanting to help and free them. yeah right, brainwashed by the media AGAIN.

12clicks

aaawwww, is someone mad because the US finally realized your country is irrelevant?

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Joe Citizen

I'm not surprised. Not in the slightest.

Conservativism is the last real bastion of bigotry.

Libertine

Common sense quite often fails to make sense. 500 years ago, common sense said flying was impossible. 1000 years ago, common sense said diseases were caused by witches. Just 50 years ago, common sense said our whole business was impossible.

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12clicks

hehe, the union between a man and a woman has been known as marriage for thousands of years.
Now there is a liberal movement afoot to broaden its definition.
yeah, its a conserative, bigotted plot.

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Libertine

Slavery has also existed for thousands of years. Your point is?

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acctman

who cares of two people of the same sex wants to get married. i find it weird that "adult webmasters" are bush supports, as soon as he wants to clean up the internet and do away with porn i want to see how much you support him then

SexxxyChat-T

How terribly narrow-minded

Imagine if Bush passed a law that said the only way to get the benefits of marriage is to marry someone of the same sex?

Would you marry another man just so you could file your tax return as a married couple, and have visiting rights to your partner in the hospital, and be able to leave your land to your partner in case of your death?

A church shouldn't be forced to marry a gay couple if it violates their religous beliefs. But the government should NOT be given a choice in this matter! All men are created equal in America, our Constitution demands it.

It's a fucking injustice to deny people these rights based solely on the fact that they love someone that in your mind they shouldn't.

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Cassie

and provide a child with a mother and father which is the best way to raise a child

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is that so? do you read or watch the news? do you have actual conversations with people? you are starting to bore me.

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12clicks

Look honey, I'm sure having your nose rubbed in the fact that you're not giving your children the best opportunity in life hurts but lets not play stupid.

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12clicks

That its had the same definition for thousands of years.

anything else?

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