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leg4 · 03-05-2004, 05:54 PM

the canon gl2

or the

sony vx2100

give full reasons why

dont just bullshit

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leg4
the canon gl2

or the

sony vx2100

give full reasons why

dont just bullshit

Are you aware that this issue has been beat to death repeatedly on GFY over the years?

Use the search feature.

Oh...And the Sony...Hands down.

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 06:03 PM

personally I like the Sony pd 150. the 2100 looks too clean, too much like Mini DV...

Jarrod · 03-05-2004, 06:03 PM

From having both the Canon GL2 and now the Sony VX2000 I definitely agree with Aaron the Sony is your best bet. Very good quality picture and looks good in low light levels.

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV
personally I like the Sony pd 150. the 2100 looks too clean, too much like Mini DV...

Perhaps that's because it IS MiniDV?

What am I missing here?

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Perhaps that's because it IS MiniDV?

What am I missing here?

they're all mini dv... but every camera produces a different look.

leg4 · 03-05-2004, 06:09 PM

how could this subject have been beaten to death?
the vx2100 is just a few months old...?
at most...

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV

they're all mini dv... but every camera produces a different look.

The PD150 is MiniDV? hmmmmm

Wrong.

Joesho · 03-05-2004, 06:10 PM

I have only ever used the cannon GL2 it is a good camera, but like what AaronM said, the sony wins this argument every time it has been discussed that I am aware of...

leg4 · 03-05-2004, 06:11 PM

Parasite...

can you try your best to explain the feel of the vid quality of that pd150???

Joesho · 03-05-2004, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leg4
how could this subject have been beaten to death?
the vx2100 is just a few months old...?
at most...

he was thinking it was the vx2000

Hey didn't dirty danza from las vegas just buy a new vx2100? he probably has some good info for you.

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joesho

he was thinking it was the vx2000

Hey didn't dirty danza from las vegas just buy a new vx2100? he probably has some good info for you.

The 2100 simply improves on the 2000 therefore the outcome is the same. The 2000/2100 win.

pimplink · 03-05-2004, 06:20 PM

Try the canon gl2.

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leg4
Parasite...

can you try your best to explain the feel of the vid quality of that pd150???

more of a film feel. But then again you can acheive this with filters on any decent cam.

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leg4
Parasite...

can you try your best to explain the feel of the vid quality of that pd150???

The PD150, now replaced with the PD170, is a Pro DV camera. It has better picture quality and better sound reproduction than either the VX2000 or VX2100 which are both MiniDV.

It gets a lot more technical than that....But that's the basics for you.

DVTimes · 03-05-2004, 07:53 PM

Sony PD170

TweetyBird · 03-05-2004, 07:55 PM

What can I say, I like the Canon serie

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joesho

he was thinking it was the vx2000

Hey didn't dirty danza from las vegas just buy a new vx2100? he probably has some good info for you.

yes indeed big hommie... and I love it... I have shot on DVCAM and minidv and in my opnion I love the vx2100 you will not notice a difference at all between that and a dvcam type like the dsr250 or something... I am a sony fan myself... so I stuck with sony... the reason I got the vx2100 was the improvments from the 2000 like the lowlux lighting... the only downside is the fucking eyepiece.. it's huge.... but both are 1/3 3ccd cameras.... my partner just got a baddass camera as well... the pannasonic dvx100a another 3 grand camera... but it shoots 24p cinema style... in my opntion go with the vx2100 get the sony wide angel.. and shoot with it... you'll love it....

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

The PD150, now replaced with the PD170, is a Pro DV camera. It has better picture quality and better sound reproduction than either the VX2000 or VX2100 which are both MiniDV.

It gets a lot more technical than that....But that's the basics for you.

your wrong... if I set the both up on a tripod and shot the same thing between a pro style dvcam or a minidv cam you will not notice a difference.. trust me... if you think you will then go ahead and waste the extra 5 grand on the camera.... the only plus to the pd170 is the xlr imputs for audio... but if you get a good wireless transiever you can bypass that prob... I shoot tons of shit here besides porn... and some you have seen here in vegas... like the pirate show at the TI.. the big screen out front and in the hotel and at the airport was shot with a vx... so there you go

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirty_DS

your wrong... if I set the both up on a tripod and shot the same thing between a pro style dvcam or a minidv cam you will not notice a difference.. trust me... if you think you will then go ahead and waste the extra 5 grand on the camera.... the only plus to the pd170 is the xlr imputs for audio... but if you get a good wireless transiever you can bypass that prob... I shoot tons of shit here besides porn... and some you have seen here in vegas... like the pirate show at the TI.. the big screen out front and in the hotel and at the airport was shot with a vx... so there you go

nope. any run of the mill mini dv cam that is not pro only has 1 or max 2 ccd. and that my friend reduces quality dramatically.

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV

nope. any run of the mill mini dv cam that is not pro only has 1 or max 2 ccd. and that my friend reduces quality dramatically.

so your saying sony a multi million dollar company is false advertising by puttin 3ccd on all there cameras? if you can prove that you'd be a millinar not a thousanr

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:08 PM

here is the difference betweenthe vx2000 and the vx2100

Step-Up from DCR-VX2000 Enlarged Handle with Mounted Zoom and Recording Control
Larger Viewfinder, Larger Eyecup
Enhanced LCD Monitor with 211k pixels
Built in Lens Cap
1 Lux Low Light

SoundMan · 03-05-2004, 08:08 PM

Dont ask Parasite, she lost the contest to a samsung camcorder.. hahahhahaa

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirty_DS

your wrong

No, I'm not.

BTW.....You can get the PD170 for roughly the same price as the vx2100 so even if I were wrong about the picture quality you might as well get the better sound quality for the same money.

If I recall correctly, the PD170 shoots at a true 30fps where the vx2000/2100 do not. For web use...Who gives a fuck? I am starting to produce DVD's though and it does make a difference.

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:09 PM

here are full specs onthe vx2100 notice parisite how it has 3ccd

System NTSC
Format Mini DV (6mm Digital)
CCD 3 x 1/3" CCD 380,000 Pixels (340,000 Effective Pixels)
Advanced HAD CCD Technology
Audio PCM Digital Stereo
12-bit/32kHz/4ch, 16-bit/48kHz/2ch
Zoom 12x Optical, 24x or 48x Digital
Lens Aspherical Lens 6.0-72.0mm f/1.6-2.4
43.2 - 518.4mm (Camera / Memory Mode)
Filter Size 58mm
Image Stabilizer Yes, Optical Super Steady Shot
Lux 1 lux
Viewfinder Large Precision Color Viewfinder with 180k Pixels
LCD Monitor 2.5" Precision LCD with 211,000 Pixels
Manual Controls Focus (ring)
Exposure (19 steps dial)
White Balance
Zoom (ring)
Shutter Speed (1/4-1/10,000)
Iris
Mic. Level.
Date & Time Yes
Time Code Yes
Edit Protocol Yes, Control-L (Lanc)
A/V Dubbing Yes, Audio Dub in 12-bit Mode
Inputs Digital - IEEE-1394
Analog - S Video or Audio Video Input (RCA)
Outputs Uses the same jacks as inputs
Digital Still Mode Allows the capture of still images onto a Memory Stick
Card Slot Memory Stick
Special Effects 6 Mode: Slim, Stretch, Solarization,
Monotone, Sepia, and Negative Art
Digital Effects 5 Mode: Old Movie, Luminance Key,
Flash Motion, Still, and Trail
Fader Black, Overlap, Wipe
Monotone and Random Dot
Titler 8 Preset & 2 Custom Titler
Built-In Mic Yes
External Mic. Input Yes, (Mini Stereo)
Headphone Jack Yes, (Mini Stereo)
Built-In Speaker Yes
Accessory Shoe Yes, Intelligent (Hot Shoe)
Built-In Light No
Tape Loading Side - Top Loading
Power Consumption 7.2w, AC 110-240v 50/60Hz
Dimensions (WHD) 4-3/4 x 6-3/8 x 15-1/2" (120 x 159 x 393mm)
Weight 3 lbs. 6 oz. (1.5kg)
Specialties Color Bar Generator
2-Position Neutral Density Filter
Digital Program Editing allows you to select 20 scenes (you can easily select and rearrange up to 20 scenes)
5 Mode Program AE
Zebra pattern 100%/70%

Step-Up from DCR-VX2000 Enlarged Handle with Mounted Zoom and Recording Control
Larger Viewfinder, Larger Eyecup
Enhanced LCD Monitor with 211k pixels
Built in Lens Cap
1 Lux Low Light

BV · 03-05-2004, 08:09 PM

the cannon gl series are pieces of shit that feel like a cheap piece of crap compared to the vx series

We're shooting here right now with both in Key West so it's easy to compare side by side results.

1/4" CCDS versus 1/3" CCDS You do the math.

and I repeat when you hold the gl2 in your hand after holding the vx you will just laugh. It really is a cheap piece of shit.

Cheers,
BV

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirty_DS

so your saying sony a multi million dollar company is false advertising by puttin 3ccd on all there cameras? if you can prove that you'd be a millinar not a thousanr

sony doesnt advertise 3ccd on their consumer cameras. look it up. only their pro cams have 3ccd.

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

No, I'm not.

BTW.....You can get the PD170 for roughly the same price as the vx2100 so even if I were wrong about the picture quality you might as well get the better sound quality for the same money.

If I recall correctly, the PD170 shoots at a true 30fps where the vx2000/2100 do not. For web use...Who gives a fuck? I am starting to produce DVD's though and it does make a difference.

I am telling you I shoot web/tv/dvd lots of commericals here in town and you can't see a difference... like I said the only difference is the mic and the double xlr inputs... not quality of the video itself....

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV

sony doesnt advertise 3ccd on their consumer cameras. look it up. only their pro cams have 3ccd.

the vx2100 is a consumer camera/ pro camera... go to bhphotovideo.com and look it up it's under both do you stand corrected?

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV

sony doesnt advertise 3ccd on their consumer cameras. look it up. only their pro cams have 3ccd.

Are you drunk again?

Click the link for MiniDV and tell me what you see.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...rders&Dept=dcc

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:12 PM

only thing they fucked up on with the vx2100 is the lcd... they made it 2.5 rather than 3.5 like the trv950

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirty_DS

the vx2100 is a consumer camera/ pro camera... go to bhphotovideo.com and look it up it's under both do you stand corrected?

you said something along the lines of "why spend the extra 5g's" in saying that I thought you were talking about 1-2 ccd consumer mini dv. when you talk about vx2100, thats a 5 grand cam. ofcourse it has 3ccd.

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV

you said something along the lines of "why spend the extra 5g's" in saying that I thought you were talking about 1-2 ccd consumer mini dv. when you talk about vx2100, thats a 5 grand cam. ofcourse it has 3ccd.

your a fucking moron... 5k my ass... try 2600

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=303956&is=REG

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirty_DS

your a fucking moron... 5k my ass... try 2600

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=303956&is=REG

i was talking canadian dollars. do the math, add the tax.

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Since when is the vx2100 a 5 grand camera?

God Damn you are stupid.

watch your language big boy. canadian dollars.

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV

watch your language big boy. canadian dollars.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 08:21 PM

the only thing put in your mouth is your own foot. lets pretend you're that flexible.

mwahahahaha

DirtyDanza · 03-05-2004, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV

i was talking canadian dollars. do the math, add the tax.

where does it say I am from on the left here... america right.. las fucking vegas.... why the hell would I speak canadian.. you hoser

doober · 03-05-2004, 08:33 PM

sony vx2100 is 3850$ canadian

Joesho · 03-05-2004, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober
sony vx2100 is 3850$ canadian

Ha Ha Ha is that a before tax or after tax number?

ParasiteTV is not a very good shopper it appears

doober · 03-05-2004, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joesho

Ha Ha Ha is that a before tax or after tax number?

ParasiteTV is not a very good shopper it appears

tax in

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV
the only thing put in your mouth is your own foot. lets pretend you're that flexible.

mwahahahaha

How about if I put my foot in your ass instead?

SoundMan · 03-05-2004, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

How about if I put my foot in your ass instead?

Please Aaron! you can use my size 13 to plug her HOLE!

SoundMan · 03-05-2004, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Aaron belive it or not this is a bitch saying this shit..

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 08:44 PM

aaron, before you get all flustered and raise your blood pressure, don't forget that you were the one who initially called me 'fucking stupid.'

i dont take shit from anyone.

SoundMan · 03-05-2004, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV
aaron, before you get all flustered and raise your blood pressure, don't forget that you were the one who initially called me 'fucking stupid.'

i dont take shit from anyone.

Well eat your own shit! you lost..

FUCK OFF..... SORE LOSER!

tony286 · 03-05-2004, 08:49 PM

First off the panasonic dvx100a is a superior camcorder compared to others stated here. In reality if you have 1ccd camcorder with a mic out and some good lighting skills . You cant tell the difference for webstuff, to me unless you are shooting for dvd or broadcast its a waste of money. Spend money on a good set of lights and learning how to use them will get you more quality than 3 ccd camcorder if you are shooting for the web.

AaronM · 03-05-2004, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV
aaron, before you get all flustered and raise your blood pressure, don't forget that you were the one who initially called me 'fucking stupid.'

i dont take shit from anyone.

Face it.

You're fucking stupid.

I'm fat.

OK...Now what?

Dumb bitch.

ParasiteTV · 03-05-2004, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Face it.

You're fucking stupid.

I'm fat.

OK...Now what?

Dumb bitch.

ok lets get this straight. i posted my opinion of a cam in this thread, afterall thats what this thread was about. then you started attacking me.

relax aaron.

SoundMan · 03-05-2004, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParasiteTV

ok lets get this straight. i posted my opinion of a cam in this thread, afterall thats what this thread was about. then you started attacking me.

relax aaron.

You think you run this area ? NOT....

Keep it going Bitch...

You must have been abused in the past to post such crap!

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leg4 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 4,429	which video camera is better? the canon gl2 or the sony vx2100 give full reasons why dont just bullshit

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DirtyDanza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BP4L.... Las Vegas, Posts: 8,369	here are full specs onthe vx2100 notice parisite how it has 3ccd System NTSC Format Mini DV (6mm Digital) CCD 3 x 1/3" CCD 380,000 Pixels (340,000 Effective Pixels) Advanced HAD CCD Technology Audio PCM Digital Stereo 12-bit/32kHz/4ch, 16-bit/48kHz/2ch Zoom 12x Optical, 24x or 48x Digital Lens Aspherical Lens 6.0-72.0mm f/1.6-2.4 43.2 - 518.4mm (Camera / Memory Mode) Filter Size 58mm Image Stabilizer Yes, Optical Super Steady Shot Lux 1 lux Viewfinder Large Precision Color Viewfinder with 180k Pixels LCD Monitor 2.5" Precision LCD with 211,000 Pixels Manual Controls Focus (ring) Exposure (19 steps dial) White Balance Zoom (ring) Shutter Speed (1/4-1/10,000) Iris Mic. Level. Date & Time Yes Time Code Yes Edit Protocol Yes, Control-L (Lanc) A/V Dubbing Yes, Audio Dub in 12-bit Mode Inputs Digital - IEEE-1394 Analog - S Video or Audio Video Input (RCA) Outputs Uses the same jacks as inputs Digital Still Mode Allows the capture of still images onto a Memory Stick Card Slot Memory Stick Special Effects 6 Mode: Slim, Stretch, Solarization, Monotone, Sepia, and Negative Art Digital Effects 5 Mode: Old Movie, Luminance Key, Flash Motion, Still, and Trail Fader Black, Overlap, Wipe Monotone and Random Dot Titler 8 Preset & 2 Custom Titler Built-In Mic Yes External Mic. Input Yes, (Mini Stereo) Headphone Jack Yes, (Mini Stereo) Built-In Speaker Yes Accessory Shoe Yes, Intelligent (Hot Shoe) Built-In Light No Tape Loading Side - Top Loading Power Consumption 7.2w, AC 110-240v 50/60Hz Dimensions (WHD) 4-3/4 x 6-3/8 x 15-1/2" (120 x 159 x 393mm) Weight 3 lbs. 6 oz. (1.5kg) Specialties Color Bar Generator 2-Position Neutral Density Filter Digital Program Editing allows you to select 20 scenes (you can easily select and rearrange up to 20 scenes) 5 Mode Program AE Zebra pattern 100%/70% Step-Up from DCR-VX2000 Enlarged Handle with Mounted Zoom and Recording Control Larger Viewfinder, Larger Eyecup Enhanced LCD Monitor with 211k pixels Built in Lens Cap 1 Lux Low Light __________________ AVN Nominated Camming Couple

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BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	the cannon gl series are pieces of shit that feel like a cheap piece of crap compared to the vx series We're shooting here right now with both in Key West so it's easy to compare side by side results. 1/4" CCDS versus 1/3" CCDS You do the math. and I repeat when you hold the gl2 in your hand after holding the vx you will just laugh. It really is a cheap piece of shit. Cheers, BV

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	First off the panasonic dvx100a is a superior camcorder compared to others stated here. In reality if you have 1ccd camcorder with a mic out and some good lighting skills . You cant tell the difference for webstuff, to me unless you are shooting for dvd or broadcast its a waste of money. Spend money on a good set of lights and learning how to use them will get you more quality than 3 ccd camcorder if you are shooting for the web.