BREAKING NEWS - Abortion Ban Passes - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

when was the last time you were raped!
How dare you try to tell any girl who went through something like that whats plenty of time for anything!

If you want to seem intelligent please quote properly. I was raped, and got pregnant. I had the child and he grew up to be the dad on Fullhouse. Now the world can thank me for not aborting Bob Saget.

Yes we all have to be raped in order have an opinion on whether an innocent unborn child should be killed.

MetaMan · 02-23-2006, 01:58 AM

how the fuck can they ban abortion? i dont see in any way how a porn webmaster could support the outright banning, and i dont mean having a problem with it i mean banning.

government control is not a good thing, the government coming into your life more and more everyday is not good. we need to have pro choice and not let govt's decide what are moral issues are.

venus · 02-23-2006, 01:59 AM

OK, since you made this statement, explain why there are so many black babies and children not being adopted here in the US if the demand is so high.

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Wow srsly read and comprehend. People go outside of the U.S. in order to adopt because the demand for newborn children is so high. *scratches head*

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by uno

At least I can agree with you on most things you said, except if you are expressing that you actually like Kid Rock's music. There I'll just have to say you are wrong.

Now people may say that opinions can't be wrong. They have a point, but are also wrong. Coheed and Cambria or the movie Donnie Darko(or anything with Drew B. besides E.T. in it) are not good. FACT: Fight Club is a great movie.

No not a big fan of Kidrock. I like a few songs though. Im a local Roadie. I do rigging for a sound and lighting company here in Nashville. Mostly on the ground, but pretty soon Ill be mainly 120ft above the stage walking across rafters. Friday I stay on the ground guiding the steel and chain as the upriggers pull it up. Then I hook on the tow motors. The motors are tied to points on the lighting and sound truss. Its then all pulled up to the level it needs to be at. Most people dont realize that the lighting you see when you goto a concert is hauled in for each group. We did BonJovi a few weeks ago and we had 12 Tractor trailer loads of stuff to bring in and setup. Gets setup that morning, and we come back in around 10pm and tear it all down again. It keeps me in shape.

Oh and it pays pretty good too, plus you get to meet alot of the acts.

venus · 02-23-2006, 02:04 AM

so are you Ben or Dolly ?

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

If you want to seem intelligent please quote properly. I was raped, and got pregnant. I had the child and he grew up to be the dad on Fullhouse. Now the world can thank me for not aborting Bob Saget.

Yes we all have to be raped in order have an opinion on whether an innocent unborn child should be killed.

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

how the fuck can they ban abortion? i dont see in any way how a porn webmaster could support the outright banning, and i dont mean having a problem with it i mean banning.

government control is not a good thing, the government coming into your life more and more everyday is not good. we need to have pro choice and not let govt's decide what are moral issues are.

Sure that makes sense. Someone could say I dont see how a Porn webmaster could have a problem with CP. That statement is just as stupid as yours. You can care about a child from 1 day to 18 years, but not before then. Dumb.

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

so are you Ben or Dolly ?

Who tf is Ben and Dolly? Bob Sagets parents? lol If you didnt pick up on the sarcasm I think we're done here.

European Lee · 02-23-2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

OK, since you made this statement, explain why there are so many black babies and children not being adopted here in the US if the demand is so high.

Racism / Adoption Laws

That about sums it up i think.

Regards,

Lee

venus · 02-23-2006, 02:08 AM

Ben and Dolly are his parents, Bob was born in 1956, if you were making a joke or trying to be sarcastic about rape then you are pathetic.
You sit there and say you get mad over kids getting killed, over abortion and you sit and make jokes about women getting raped you sick fuck!

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Who tf is Ben and Dolly? Bob Sagets parents? lol If you didnt pick up on the sarcasm I think we're done here.

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by European Lee

Racism / Adoption Laws

That about sums it up i think.

Regards,

Lee

Ya that sums it up.....

ok done for today.

MetaMan · 02-23-2006, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Sure that makes sense. Someone could say I dont see how a Porn webmaster could have a problem with CP. That statement is just as stupid as yours. You can care about a child from 1 day to 18 years, but not before then. Dumb.

i dont think taking away peoples options is a possitive alternative. i dont like any of form of government coming in and telling you how to be morally right.

Child Porn is no in the same boat, people who oppose abortion do it for basic religious reasons and religion and gov't are never a good mix.

uno · 02-23-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

No not a big fan of Kidrock. I like a few songs though. Im a local Roadie. I do rigging for a sound and lighting company here in Nashville. Mostly on the ground, but pretty soon Ill be mainly 120ft above the stage walking across rafters. Friday I stay on the ground guiding the steel and chain as the upriggers pull it up. Then I hook on the tow motors. The motors are tied to points on the lighting and sound truss. Its then all pulled up to the level it needs to be at. Most people dont realize that the lighting you see when you goto a concert is hauled in for each group. We did BonJovi a few weeks ago and we had 12 Tractor trailer loads of stuff to bring in and setup. Gets setup that morning, and we come back in around 10pm and tear it all down again. It keeps me in shape.

Oh and it pays pretty good too, plus you get to meet alot of the acts.

My gf is an audio engineer and I've worked at strip clubs between sound systems and lighting systems working with computers so I have a partial idea of what you're talking about.

Meeting the acts is usually a star-whore activity. The thing I hate most is "singer-itis" singer's disease where they think they are god's gift because they are the face/front man of the band. I was a friend with a producer for Road Runner for a while and met a lot of cats i wouldn't like to hang with again. I'll have to say I enjoyed hanging with the guys in Anthrax and Sevendust probably the most that i can remember... right now.

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

Ben and Dolly are his parents, Bob was born in 1956, if you were making a joke or trying to be sarcastic about rape then you are pathetic.
You sit there and say you get mad over kids getting killed, over abortion and you sit and make jokes about women getting raped you sick fuck!

I wasnt aware I was on HappyHappyJoyJoy.com Boy if you didnt immediately realize it was a joke poking fun at your idiotic logic then I cant help you. Yes Bob Sagets parents are adult webmasters. ROTFFL <--- Rolling on the FUCKING FLOOR laughing. Srsly I am. Im a sick fuck for making a joke about a rape of Bob Sagets mother, but its ok for you to condone sucking a potential, and at times viable life into a vaccum with a spinning blade on the end. Btw do you know what they do on partial birth abortions? They stick a stainless steel spike into the head of a sometimes moving and spasming child. They break the bones in order to pull the child out. You call me a sick fuck? Pfft.

GotGauge · 02-23-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You mean dead little cells, don't you?

I believe there is a heart beat in 18-21 days, most abortions are about 8 weeks

Bill8 · 02-23-2006, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

What makes you think the man wanted the abortion done? You are aware that the father has no say in it right?

No, I'm saying if we are going to punish the woman by making her go thru 9 months of humiliation and poverty, make her pay for the delivery, and force her to give up her child to strangers, what punishment should the father get?

He fucked her, he's reponsible for the unwanted child, what should his punishment be?

ThunderBalls · 02-23-2006, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Yet we throw millions of them a year into hazmat dumpsters.

And yet morons like you have no problem with this shit

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

i dont think taking away peoples options is a possitive alternative. i dont like any of form of government coming in and telling you how to be morally right.

Child Porn is no in the same boat, people who oppose abortion do it for basic religious reasons and religion and gov't are never a good mix.

No religion has NOTHING to fuckin do with my opinion on abortion. It has to do with the killing of a perfectly innocent child due to selfishness. If you saw a 2 week old child about to get hurt would'nt you do anything in your power to help them? Now how bout a child 10 weeks younger than that. Is it ok to let them suffer and die because of 10 weeks?

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

And yet morons like you have no problem with this shit

Your a fucking idiot dude. Abortion has been an issue long before you even knew who GWB was. Fucking moron.

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

No, I'm saying if we are going to punish the woman by making her go thru 9 months of humiliation and poverty, make her pay for the delivery, and force her to give up her child to strangers, what punishment should the father get?

He fucked her, he's reponsible for the unwanted child, what should his punishment be?

Or course he should be responsible. Incase you didnt know thats why we have child support. Btw there are AGAIN lots of couples who will pay for the womans care and the childs delivery, and cover all costs including her lost time at work. Its not an excuse. The only excuse is apathy, selfishness, and being irresponsible.

baddog · 02-23-2006, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Young

Here we go...and it starts.

This is going to force an appeal that will probaly end up in the Supreme Court, and decide whether the government can decide individual state laws regarding abortions.

That is the intent. Don't you think individual states should be able to make their own laws?

However, the SC can refuse to hear it. Would not be the first time.

They say if Roe v Wade is overturned, 30 states are ready to make abortion illegal.

jayeff · 02-23-2006, 02:27 AM

The least forgiving "pro-life" argument, that human life begins at conception, is ludicrous. A newly fertilized egg is nothing but a protozoan with a human genetic code in its nucleus: exactly like almost every cell in our bodies. It is absurd to imbue that protozoan with any sacred quality and although certainly it grows into a human being, that means we must decide when it does become human.

Which is an extremely difficult decision because there are only vague and often-disputed criteria to help make it. But that difficulty is no excuse to avoid the issue and only extreme religious belief can hold that a fertilized egg possesses a soul and is thus already human.

Yet this concept is unavoidably the basis of all anti-abortion argument, because unless an egg is a human from the moment of fertilization, abortion is a non-issue. And since the concept makes no sense except as a matter of faith, anti-abortion law cannot be anything but religious law, no matter how carefully disguised.

For me that is why even those opposed to abortion should oppose anti-abortion law. There is rightly a separation between Church and State which we must maintain. And it is obvious that some of those pressing for anti-abortion laws see the issue as nothing more than a relatively easy way to get a religious law passed, creating a precedent for more religious laws in future.

Finally, accepting the concept the concept of humanity on fertilization also allows for the utterly repugnant possibility that a woman who has been raped might be forced to carry her rapist's child. That is a sentence which I refuse to believe that any god would sanction.

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

The least forgiving "pro-life" argument, that human life begins at conception, is ludicrous. A newly fertilized egg is nothing but a protozoan with a human genetic code in its nucleus: exactly like almost every cell in our bodies. It is absurd to imbue that protozoan with any sacred quality and although certainly it grows into a human being, that means we must decide when it does become human.

Which is an extremely difficult decision because there are only vague and often-disputed criteria to help make it. But that difficulty is no excuse to avoid the issue and only extreme religious belief can hold that a fertilized egg possesses a soul and is thus already human.

Yet this concept is unavoidably the basis of all anti-abortion argument, because unless an egg is a human from the moment of fertilization, abortion is a non-issue. And since the concept makes no sense except as a matter of faith, anti-abortion law cannot be anything but religious law, no matter how carefully disguised.

For me that is why even those opposed to abortion should oppose anti-abortion law. There is rightly a separation between Church and State which we must maintain. And it is obvious that some of those pressing for anti-abortion laws see the issue as nothing more than a relatively easy way to get a religious law passed, creating a precedent for more religious laws in future.

Finally, accepting the concept the concept of humanity on fertilization also allows for the utterly repugnant possibility that a woman who has been raped might be forced to carry her rapist's child. That is a sentence which I refuse to believe that any god would sanction.

Last post for tonight srsly.

Without Conception there is no human life. Period end of story. Sperm and egg alone dont make life. It takes both of them together. Conception is clearly the start. Dont understand the need for this discussion as most of this thread has been about 2 months and beyond abortion terms. Im out.

Bill8 · 02-23-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Or course he should be responsible. Incase you didnt know thats why we have child support. Btw there are AGAIN lots of couples who will pay for the womans care and the childs delivery, and cover all costs including her lost time at work. Its not an excuse. The only excuse is apathy, selfishness, and being irresponsible.

Okay, so you are saying we need to set uo some sort of daddy police force to hunt down fathers and imprison them until they can pay the thousands of dollars a delivery costs, and pay half the living costs and prenatal expenses of the woman, and half of all the other costs involved, plus, presumably, half the psychological costs to repair the woman who is being forced to give up her baby?

But is that punishment enough? What about the mental torture the woman goes thru, the damage to her body, the ritual humilation our society puts on the unwed mothers of unwante chgildren? Don't you think he deserves more punishment than that? Isn't he still getting away with having fucked her and started an unwanted child?

When do you want this giant police force to be started? because the legal system we got now can't even get child support payments of people who were once married made on time.

A federal daddy police sounds like a good idea. The irresponsibility of these animal men who can't keep their dick in their pants has to be dealt with.

KCat · 02-23-2006, 02:41 AM

I've never understood the attitude of wanting to punish the mother for a broken condom by giving birth. Children should be born because their mother wants to be a mother & is emotionally & physically prepared to be a good parent. If a women would've rather had an abortion, how happy a life do you think the child will have that she was forced into raising?

And don't start on adoption - it's a joke. There are way too many children in foster homes already that will never be adopted. Say hello to more babies born with birth defects from fetal alcohol syndrome & drug abuse.

Bill8 · 02-23-2006, 02:43 AM

I mean, if you are dead set on punishing and torturing women who get pregnant with unwanted children in your state that's fine with me. Torture away.

But unless you want to say women are second class citizens that don't deserve the priviledges of being a man, you have to punish the man too, just as harshly as you punish the woman.

Otherwise, you might just as well declare women to be slaves and be done with it.

ThunderBalls · 02-23-2006, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Your a fucking idiot dude. Abortion has been an issue long before you even knew who GWB was. Fucking moron.

So let me understand you. You call yourself pro-life, yet you are pro-war, pro-death penalty, and you support cutting social programs. Sounds to me like pro-death.

jayeff · 02-23-2006, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Without Conception there is no human life. Period end of story. Sperm and egg alone dont make life. It takes both of them together. Conception is clearly the start. Dont understand the need for this discussion as most of this thread has been about 2 months and beyond abortion terms.

Sophistry. If I hand you a piece of coal, will you pay me for a diamond? Of course not: there is a point when coal becomes diamond and until that moment it is virtually worthless. An egg at the moment of fertilization, except potentially, represents life no more than a scraping of skin does. The egg alone is just as potentially a life, needing only the sex act to set the process in motion. If I don't attempt to fertilize all my wife's eggs, should I be charged with negligent homicide.

And you are being considerably obtuse, unless you didn't actually read what I wrote, to wonder why I didn't write about abortion later in term. That is because if the laws we are being threatened with were merely trying to define when abortion was legal and when it was not, I would not have a problem. But the laws we currently face, no matter how secular their language, all come down to the religious concept that human life exists from fertilization on.

It is ridiculous to pretend that a law which only makes sense within the context of religious faith is not a religious law. And I do not want to see religious laws chipping away at the division of Church and State. Because of that, in the context of discussing possible laws, no other aspect of abortion is relevant.

Teodora · 02-23-2006, 03:23 AM

I'm very much against this law... let women decide what to do with their own lives... why is it good to have a baby whom nobody wanted??? Is it better when a woman in her total desparation kills the newborn then drops him/her to the dustbin??? yeah of course u need to be responsible and take contraceptive pills.. but still pregnancy can just come even if u don't want it

jjjay · 02-23-2006, 03:34 AM

i'm not even going to read this retarded thread

KRL · 02-23-2006, 04:00 AM

If conception isn't the start of life what is?

When you are born, you've already being growing for 9 months as a human being inside a women's womb. Are you saying that is not life????

Definitions of Life:

The time for which something exists or functions.

The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.

Thus moment the sperm connects with an egg you have a functioning living organism.

If a Mars explorer found just some minute bacteria would we not say "Life Found on Mars!"

Cased closed. There is no valid argument to say life doesn't begin until you are extracted from the womb. Life begins at conception.

KRL · 02-23-2006, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Teodora

I'm very much against this law... let women decide what to do with their own lives... why is it good to have a baby whom nobody wanted??? Is it better when a woman in her total desparation kills the newborn then drops him/her to the dustbin??? yeah of course u need to be responsible and take contraceptive pills.. but still pregnancy can just come even if u don't want it

Its because of this kind of attitude that so many women don't give a fuck if they pregnant or not because they can just go and get the kid sucked out of them.

Same reason so many divorces cause everyone figures oh well might as well take a chance and get married caused if it doesn't work out I can always get a divorce.

There needs to be more committment in the world. Its supposed to be til death due us part no matter what. People say this vowle, yet there is 99% of the time little substance to their words.

minusonebit · 02-23-2006, 06:43 AM

If you dont like abortion, dont fucking have one. Really simple, folks.

Damn, I really get tired of people trying to control what other people do with thier bodies, lives and money. Its high time that these damn conservatives and religious nuts get thier asses handed to them. No one has any right to enforce thier fucked up version of "god" and "morals" on anyone else.

directfiesta · 02-23-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Why did you change your location to Fl. Fookin Canadian.

Because that is where I am NOW, dumbass... ( so happens, contrary to you, that I do travel)

it's pittyfull to read your childish and pointless asswers as usual..

Cassie · 02-23-2006, 07:17 AM

there is legitimacy to having an abortion - rape, incest, health issues and just a plain old accident. usually those people who have incurred one of the above are responsible adults who ended up in a bad situation and i agree, if you don't want or can't take care of a kid, then you should have the right to terminate the pregnancy.

by the same token, you have more who abuse the system and spead their legs and don't use protection making abortion a viable alternative. those type of people are irresponsible, have no direction in life and more often than not, live off a system WE have given them.

abortion is not evil, it's not bad if responsible people make the right decision early enough on and don't make a habit of getting hit with a vacuum every year.

what people should be angry with are those who abuse they system and use abortion as a contraception. i am all for keeping my rights to have one if i need to available for me. it is my right and i know if ever in that situation, i would do what was right for me because when it comes down to it, i would be the one to have to make one of the most difficult decisions of my life.

by the same token, i am for banning late term abotions except in the case of incest, rape, health issues. if a woman is going to die or suffer mental anguish beyond repair (andrea yates) then the pregnancy should be terminated, period.

now being that decisions are being made for us, and not by the average person who lives the average daily life, a better strategy should be in place to determine who would receive a later term abortion. the average woman who decides in her 7th month that she doesn't want the child should be made to have it because there was ample enough time to make the right decision. the woman who was raped or is deemed could die because of having a child should be eligible because of the sever mental risks associated post partum or the fact that death could be imminent.

all of you who say women should have the right because she is a woman or those who say abortion is bad and cannot come up with any logical reason why it is. should really take a step back and look at this objectively.

i am a woman and i should have the right and that right should be given to me based on responsibility, for contraception is only as effective as the manufacturers make it. those who choose to abuse they system deserve what they get.

directfiesta · 02-23-2006, 07:17 AM

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how the fuck can they ban abortion? i dont see in any way how a porn webmaster could support the outright banning,

Because he is a troll, a surfer ...

If he dissapears now, nothing will happen... just like TheKing ( MIA since Jan. 2006 )

psili · 02-23-2006, 07:17 AM

Well, if they do ban abortion, I hope we're closer to government sterilization of the masses, because people, as a whole, shouldn't be allowed to propagate.

nico-t · 02-23-2006, 07:48 AM

The middle east already is in the stone age, but the US is following pretty fast it seems.

ronaldo · 02-23-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Lmao here comes the Rape card. Btw its Roe v. Wade. Care to know the percentage of abortions that were due to rape or incest? If it was limited to just those circumstances, and not the lack of parental responsibilty I and many others wouldnt get so mad about it.

Actually, I called a pro-life office a few years ago, and unless they're opinion has since changed, they believed that a woman should carry a baby to term if they were raped, and give the baby up for adoption. Sorry, that's fucked up. The woman is traumatized as it is, but let's force her to watch her belly grow for the next 9 months and relive it on a daily basis? If the fetus is an innocent victim in most abortion cases, the woman certainly is in a rape case.

My problem with pro-lifers is they generally tend to glorify life regardless of the affects of the other living people in the scenario...like Terry Schiavo. Pro-lifers considered him a murderer. MAYBE he was a loving husband who didn't want to see his wife live against her wishes? Pro-lifers will simply have none of that because it doesn't fall in line with their agenda. Neither side can prove which he was.

Some other points....

-I DO believe that people need to take responsibility for their actions and not use abortion as birth control.

-Because this is a woman's issue and the man has NO legal rights in the matter one way or the other, woman who DO decide to have babies against the father's wishes, shouldn't be allowed to sue for child support, unless the man is given equal responsibility AND voice in the decision.

-I believe our laws up here are abortions are allowed up to 3 months, unless the woman's health is at risk. That seems like MORE than enough time to decide what to do. Late term abortions of 6 months, do seem a little late to me.

spanky part 2 · 02-23-2006, 08:38 AM

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Silly opinions. Just a note how many soliders did America lose on the beach in Normandy in one day? Do the research on that and compare it to how many soliders we've lost in Iraq in 3 years. Oh and before you go there we were never attacked by Germany.

God you are an idiot. Germany attacked our allies, and took over half the world. As for the men lost, that was a huge loss for one day, but then again we were fighting a world war, not some fucking war on oil.

Iraq is still the first war where we attacked a country that didn't attack us or one of our allies. That was a fact that america was always proud of, until Elmer Fudd got into office!

You really do crack me up the way you can compartmentalize your life.

Sarah_Jayne · 02-23-2006, 08:51 AM

I could never have an aborition but I am against overturning Roe vs Wade.

Amazing how little it is even argued about in the UK outside of Ireland.

jayeff · 02-23-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

There is no valid argument to say life doesn't begin until you are extracted from the womb. Life begins at conception.

Life yes. Life that is human, with a soul, consciousness or whatever, no. There isn't a person out there arguing the point of view that life begins at conception who is being entirely honest.

If someone sincerely believes that a newly fertilized egg represents life in actuality (as opposed to as a matter of faith) then by what logic can they support the killing of so much as a plant? In scientific terms a protozoan is closer to vegetable than human.

Or is it that the fertilized egg has the potential for human life? But in that case, why draw an arbitrary line at the fertilized egg? Why not feel as passionately about an unfertilized egg or about unused sperm for that matter? Surprize, surprize, many pro-lifers don't approve of birth control either, but let's take it one step at a time huh?

If life is so damn precious in its own right, let's see the pro-lifers out protesting war or famine, or doing something about our 4 million homeless. It won't happen because abortion didn't become an issue capable of influencing elections due to large enough numbers of people really caring about any lives except their own. It acheived that status because of the cynical manipulation of their congregations by many so-called religious leaders.

Such people grabbed at an emotive issue as a route to personal power and a way to get a religious law, any law, passed. Oh and anti-abortion laws are a wonderful way to chip away some more of our privacy, because how can they be policed effectively without every woman who suffers a spontaneous abortion facing the prospect of the police arriving on her doorstep to investigate the circumstances of her termination?

We cannot afford to sneer at religious fundamentalism in other parts of the world, yet allow it to build strength here. And stripped of all the rhetoric, when anti-abortionism moves from personal choice to law, it is about nothing but religious fundamentalism attempting to get a foothold in all our lives.

Downtime · 02-23-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by European Lee

Thank God we voted Bush in to a second term.

Just think, without him in office we would all have to be making important life altering decisions on our own, im glad i no longer have to choose how i live my life as all of these laws start to take away the difficult decision making.

Personally, i doubt im ever going to get pregnant so i really dont care on Roe Vs Wade one way or the other as it doesnt affect me.

I am glad that women who have been raped in SD will have to carry the rapists child for 9 months then, have to raise it for the rest of their lives as a constant reminder of being raped though, they dont deserve to be able to get on with their lives after such an ordeal.

Im also glad that we have a religious fanatic running this country.

Thanks America

Regards,

Lee

Every kid has a chance dude, just because his dad was a fuckin rapist does not mean the kid will be.

Cassie · 02-23-2006, 09:53 AM

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Every kid has a chance dude, just because his dad was a fuckin rapist does not mean the kid will be.

you're correct, it doesnt mean the child will definitely be BUT genetics can prove otherwise and the child has a greater chance of growing up and raping because of the genes provided by the father than one who was conceived normally with normal parents. that's not to say a child conceived with parents of a normal gene pool cant grow up to be a rapist.

the point here is why should a woman who was raped, be reminded every, single day for 9 months why she is having this child and how it was conceived? and then for the rest of her mortal live wonder if the child, who she subsequently gave away, turned out the same as the father?

TheSenator · 02-23-2006, 09:57 AM

My biggest thread ever.

rafe43119 · 02-23-2006, 10:24 AM

now thats fucked up

gornyhuy · 02-23-2006, 10:29 AM

Fucking shit! That was faster than I expected.

Fetish Gimp · 02-23-2006, 10:37 AM

Next stop: burkas for the women and take away their right to vote cuz bitches don't know shit anyways. OHHWEEEEEEEE.

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 11:34 AM

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Because he is a troll, a surfer ...

If he dissapears now, nothing will happen... just like TheKing ( MIA since Jan. 2006 )

Im a surfer? lol I have 5 adult affiliate sites, and a paysite that is in limbo atm till I find more girls. Ill be in Phoenix to talk business and network. Will you be there world traveler? Check the list.

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Probono · 02-23-2006, 11:41 AM

In the truest sense of conservatism abortion is an individual decision, not a government decision. Government needs to quit pandering to religion.

stickyfingerz · 02-23-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

God you are an idiot. Germany attacked our allies, and took over half the world. As for the men lost, that was a huge loss for one day, but then again we were fighting a world war, not some fucking war on oil.

Iraq is still the first war where we attacked a country that didn't attack us or one of our allies. That was a fact that america was always proud of, until Elmer Fudd got into office!

You really do crack me up the way you can compartmentalize your life.

Lets see WWII cost the lives of 400,000 Americans. 2,282 lost in Iraq in 3 years. You might not think its worth it, but I assure you the Kurds do. By saying its a war for oil you should your complete misunderstanding of whats going on.

02-23-2006, 02:41 AM	#174
KCat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PNW Posts: 2,204	I've never understood the attitude of wanting to punish the mother for a broken condom by giving birth. Children should be born because their mother wants to be a mother & is emotionally & physically prepared to be a good parent. If a women would've rather had an abortion, how happy a life do you think the child will have that she was forced into raising? And don't start on adoption - it's a joke. There are way too many children in foster homes already that will never be adopted. Say hello to more babies born with birth defects from fetal alcohol syndrome & drug abuse. __________________ ~ 300+ FHGs, 100,000 pics to use plus a rockin' Video of the Day download! ~

02-23-2006, 03:23 AM	#178
Teodora Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 471	I'm very much against this law... let women decide what to do with their own lives... why is it good to have a baby whom nobody wanted??? Is it better when a woman in her total desparation kills the newborn then drops him/her to the dustbin??? yeah of course u need to be responsible and take contraceptive pills.. but still pregnancy can just come even if u don't want it __________________ LIVE SEX AWARDS MAY 24-25, 2006 THE LARGEST WEBMASTER AND PERFORMER PRIZES EVER AWARDED - $100,000.00

02-23-2006, 04:00 AM	#180
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	If conception isn't the start of life what is? When you are born, you've already being growing for 9 months as a human being inside a women's womb. Are you saying that is not life???? Definitions of Life: The time for which something exists or functions. The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism. Thus moment the sperm connects with an egg you have a functioning living organism. If a Mars explorer found just some minute bacteria would we not say "Life Found on Mars!" Cased closed. There is no valid argument to say life doesn't begin until you are extracted from the womb. Life begins at conception. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

02-23-2006, 07:17 AM	#184
Cassie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 3,139	there is legitimacy to having an abortion - rape, incest, health issues and just a plain old accident. usually those people who have incurred one of the above are responsible adults who ended up in a bad situation and i agree, if you don't want or can't take care of a kid, then you should have the right to terminate the pregnancy. by the same token, you have more who abuse the system and spead their legs and don't use protection making abortion a viable alternative. those type of people are irresponsible, have no direction in life and more often than not, live off a system WE have given them. abortion is not evil, it's not bad if responsible people make the right decision early enough on and don't make a habit of getting hit with a vacuum every year. what people should be angry with are those who abuse they system and use abortion as a contraception. i am all for keeping my rights to have one if i need to available for me. it is my right and i know if ever in that situation, i would do what was right for me because when it comes down to it, i would be the one to have to make one of the most difficult decisions of my life. by the same token, i am for banning late term abotions except in the case of incest, rape, health issues. if a woman is going to die or suffer mental anguish beyond repair (andrea yates) then the pregnancy should be terminated, period. now being that decisions are being made for us, and not by the average person who lives the average daily life, a better strategy should be in place to determine who would receive a later term abortion. the average woman who decides in her 7th month that she doesn't want the child should be made to have it because there was ample enough time to make the right decision. the woman who was raped or is deemed could die because of having a child should be eligible because of the sever mental risks associated post partum or the fact that death could be imminent. all of you who say women should have the right because she is a woman or those who say abortion is bad and cannot come up with any logical reason why it is. should really take a step back and look at this objectively. i am a woman and i should have the right and that right should be given to me based on responsibility, for contraception is only as effective as the manufacturers make it. those who choose to abuse they system deserve what they get. __________________ ICQ: 309756847 ]

02-23-2006, 07:17 AM	#186
psili Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 5,526	Well, if they do ban abortion, I hope we're closer to government sterilization of the masses, because people, as a whole, shouldn't be allowed to propagate. __________________ Your post count means nothing.

02-23-2006, 01:58 AM	#152
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	how the fuck can they ban abortion? i dont see in any way how a porn webmaster could support the outright banning, and i dont mean having a problem with it i mean banning. government control is not a good thing, the government coming into your life more and more everyday is not good. we need to have pro choice and not let govt's decide what are moral issues are.

02-23-2006, 02:27 AM	#171
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	The least forgiving "pro-life" argument, that human life begins at conception, is ludicrous. A newly fertilized egg is nothing but a protozoan with a human genetic code in its nucleus: exactly like almost every cell in our bodies. It is absurd to imbue that protozoan with any sacred quality and although certainly it grows into a human being, that means we must decide when it does become human. Which is an extremely difficult decision because there are only vague and often-disputed criteria to help make it. But that difficulty is no excuse to avoid the issue and only extreme religious belief can hold that a fertilized egg possesses a soul and is thus already human. Yet this concept is unavoidably the basis of all anti-abortion argument, because unless an egg is a human from the moment of fertilization, abortion is a non-issue. And since the concept makes no sense except as a matter of faith, anti-abortion law cannot be anything but religious law, no matter how carefully disguised. For me that is why even those opposed to abortion should oppose anti-abortion law. There is rightly a separation between Church and State which we must maintain. And it is obvious that some of those pressing for anti-abortion laws see the issue as nothing more than a relatively easy way to get a religious law passed, creating a precedent for more religious laws in future. Finally, accepting the concept the concept of humanity on fertilization also allows for the utterly repugnant possibility that a woman who has been raped might be forced to carry her rapist's child. That is a sentence which I refuse to believe that any god would sanction.

02-23-2006, 02:43 AM	#175
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	I mean, if you are dead set on punishing and torturing women who get pregnant with unwanted children in your state that's fine with me. Torture away. But unless you want to say women are second class citizens that don't deserve the priviledges of being a man, you have to punish the man too, just as harshly as you punish the woman. Otherwise, you might just as well declare women to be slaves and be done with it.

02-23-2006, 03:34 AM	#179
jjjay Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,813	i'm not even going to read this retarded thread

02-23-2006, 06:43 AM	#182
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	If you dont like abortion, dont fucking have one. Really simple, folks. Damn, I really get tired of people trying to control what other people do with thier bodies, lives and money. Its high time that these damn conservatives and religious nuts get thier asses handed to them. No one has any right to enforce thier fucked up version of "god" and "morals" on anyone else.

02-23-2006, 07:48 AM	#187
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	The middle east already is in the stone age, but the US is following pretty fast it seems.

02-23-2006, 08:51 AM	#190
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	I could never have an aborition but I am against overturning Roe vs Wade. Amazing how little it is even argued about in the UK outside of Ireland.

02-23-2006, 09:57 AM	#194
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02-23-2006, 10:24 AM	#195
rafe43119 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Columbus Posts: 281	now thats fucked up

02-23-2006, 10:29 AM	#196
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02-23-2006, 10:37 AM	#197
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02-23-2006, 11:41 AM	#199
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	In the truest sense of conservatism abortion is an individual decision, not a government decision. Government needs to quit pandering to religion.