SmokeyTheBear

yes the one your about to blather on for 2 pages without answering..
you didn't you cited security reasons then when i asked what security reason you cant answer it.

for the third time , no you didnt answer the question. if you did you would just tell us instead of repeating over and over you havent answered the question
do you think writing in size 7 font means you dont have to answer the question.

thats a good reason to seize them , but it still doesnt answer why they cant show them to the victims or the rest of us..( remeber the thread title )

nope you blathered on for quite a while yet still didnt answer the question.


lol people that ask questions end up in dangerous cults.. ? ok then ..


its funny how worked up you get when you cant answer a simple question.

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Phoenix

franck you should go to www.thesaurus.com English does have other words besides fuck, shitstain, idiot etc

flame on...i know you probably bust a zit reading t his and need to yell at the keyboard when replying...but seriously.. learn a few more words and lose the hate

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Dirty Dane

Simply because its part of an ongoing investigation....

Ripshit

Thats another thing that most people forget to realize on this!
Think about a plane of that size landing and from the point of supposed impact that supposed plane would have had to have been pretty close to a landing status wouldnt it?

Now How long is a run way for landing again?

Wow this guy who was flying the plane who (only learned to take off)and was not interested in landing a plane(Quote from the aviation instructor)was god damn good no wasnt he?

He avoided light poles and still managed to get the plane in almost perfect position for landing in all of what 100 feet?

Ripshit

So is the murder of JFK right?

SmokeyTheBear

i'm not i asked a simple question , i find it funny its an "obsession" to want to see the video

you must have some troubles reading or comprehension or something franck , read back .. i never theorised nor do i think a missile hit the pentagon.. why do you feel the need to make shit up out of thin air..


You claimed pepsi was behind the pentagon attack and that the color blue is actually alien sperm that causes us to detroy ourselves..

sounds kinda wierd when you make shit up in reverse doesnt it.




and what is my "lunatic conpiracy shit" ? it should be easy enough for you to quote my "lunatic conspiracy shit"

If i indeed made any such claims it should be easy enough for you to back up your statement by posting my "conspiracy" by quoting it..

The truth is i never made any such claim , the only question i had was the same as the thread title implies, one that you have failed time and time again in answering ..


Lets start off with you answering the thread title , without making up fake facts , without making false claims about what people wrote, without using size 7 font , without using the word conspiracy , just answer the question..

if you cant thats ok too , you're not on trial , its just a discussion, maybe you don't have an answer..

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Dirty Dane

FYI, there is a difference between security cams at a military headquarter and tv-transmissions.
Anyway, there are bunch of witnesses that have testified. And if tapes were released, it would make no difference for the conspiracy idiots... they would probably just say its fake, like they say about all other evidences...

Ripshit

Well Im not sure but I think the actual (HOLE) that these kids are mentioning is the exit hole!
The picture I posted was of the Impact but it still doesnt add up even though this is a major security NO NO
I dug up some pics for you you decide!
Im not here to say it was or wasnt a plane or a missle and Im not a conspiracy theorist Im just one of millions of people who want to know the truth and let me point that out!
First of all your hell bent on saying it is what it is!
Without a doubt if I told you I had some oceanfront property for sale in arizona youd believe me if I showed you a pic!



Here is one of the front of the building before the collapse of the roof(impact picture not exit)







The top of the hole in the middle of the white box is at the same level as the top of the windows of the second floor, or about 23-25 feet from ground. The three windows above this are the windows of the third floor. The foam covered window to the top right is the fourth floor. As noted by the Pentagon report, this area (above the center hole) is where the tail should have struck, but there is no evidence of any damage that we would expect from such an impact. What?s more, the tail fin was definitely not dropped on the lawn along with the two 6 TON engines.

Conclusion? The tail fin of a Boeing 757 did not strike this area.

What does that suggest? That a Boeing 757 was not involved in the attack.

Is that logical enough?

Conspiracy theory?

No, just the most obvious and logical explanation.

Dirty F

God, you dumb fuck.

Till now you told everyone its a 16 feet hole because you got that info from some conspiracy idiot movie. Now you look it up and are like damn, i was talking about the exit hole time

Thats how you idiots operate. Amazing.

Even more funny is that your imbecile buddy Phoenix made the same mistake 1 or 2 years ago. He was yelling so hard his face turned blue that there was a tiny hole where the plane entered. Finally he posts a picture and its the same exit hole you are talking about. And why? Because some idiot made a movie told you that

Ok, i think youve proven my point very well. That you are a true fucking retard. Thanks for the laugh

Ripshit

Hey Frank Get some more pills for your head man its time for a time out here.

Dirty Dane

If it wasn't the plane, how do you explain the DNA and dentist records of the passengers recovered? Maybe they pulled out jaws and cut body parts on the plane AFTER they entered the plane, then placed all parts into a missile - in the air - and striked it on Pentagon - without ANYONE witness an incoming missile.... OMG, what a massacre and what a trick!
And not to mention, it had to be convincing, because the two planes striking WTC was not enough to make people believe, so they also "planted" part of the plane in -and outside Pentagon and destroyed several lamp poles on the incoming route, without anyone noticing it live on all worlds news-stations

Ripshit

[QUOTE=Dirty Dane;12990905]If it wasn't the plane, how do you explain the DNA and dentist records of the passengers recovered?/QUOTE]They did find these?
I was unaware but here is a list of the people on that flight 77 in case you wanted to do some research!
Who are they were are their families now?
Why were so many of them linked to schools and national geographic and what significance does this impose?

R.I.P. Flight 77

CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.


PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

SmokeyTheBear

the security cams were talking about in this thread were not at the pentagon

some of them were publicly available feeds from the department of transportation, the exact angles of the security cameras have been shown both before and after and neither pose a security risk or they wouldn't be there. the only thing that is missing is the plane crashing into the pentagon.

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Dirty Dane

Yeah, do your own research and you'll find that they recovered DNA from all the passengers. The remaining DNA was compared with DNA recovered from the hotels where the terrorists stayed, and it matched. And BTW, the original and official passengerlist was confiscated and is not public yet....

DaddyHalbucks

Conspiracy nuts are just that.

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Ripshit

How bout this rare photo of the pentagon taken it shows like seven hits by something!
Was it a plane?
Of course it was a plane launching several missiles!

directfiesta

Amazing.. Have anything to backup your sayings ( because, after all , they are just sayings at this point ).

Who were the terrorists? their names ? their nationality ? their ethnicity ?

With the dna, should be a breeze to say ....

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Dirty Dane

It was all over the news, so I'm sure there must be some archived articles about it.

Dirty F

Ripshit, you already look like a total moron in this thread. How about you shut up with your idiot theories and get a clue. Think about how i just owned your ass and what that says about you. You really are way too simple for things like this.

Ripshit

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directfiesta

lol ... convincing ....

BTW, here is the cover page of the passenger list, the one that is " not yet public "....

http://pdgcash.com/gfy/foia-10001.jpg

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Dirty Dane

And point is? I see no PASSANGER list...

directfiesta

Read Idiot ... I said the cover page ... of the non-public passenger list ... I am playing with you ...lol ....
Amazing how you state a " fact", say it is all over the news, but expect me to prove your5 fact ...How can I prove lies... aside from posting the truth...

Shove those up ...




You want pictures of the passengers also ? no problem, they are all over the net ..you should have no difficulty finding them....

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Dirty Dane

That is a list of bodies identified, and not the passenger list from air company.
As I said, the original and official passenger list was confiscated and held back. We know the names, but can not access that list

directfiesta

So basically, you say the "paper" is confiscated, but not the actual content of the " paper "..... is that for " national security "....

AS for the DNA, there were no Arabs on the flight ....???? But since it is "all over the news ", you can easely post your corroboration, can't you ????

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Dirty Dane

Yes, as I said, the original list is confiscated. The list that appears in public (on media sites etc) is not the official one, so there is no way we can be sure. I never said that the list confiscated was for national security.. read above I was talking about the cameras at Pentagon. The confiscation of list and heldback is rather evidence purposes in an ongoing investigation.

Regarding the identifying, you can read about it at the Militarys own press release:
http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary.../12466-1.shtml

Dirty F

Dickshit finally realized hes betters off leaving this thread as he made a total fool oh himself. Now if only Directfiesta would realize that as well.

Its amazing how people like dickshit and Phoenix can base major theories on stuff like a 16 ft hole in the Pentagon as mentioned in one of those lunatics videos circulating the web. And it takes them years to find out they were talking about a debris exit hole the whole time. Instead of banging their head in the wall because of their amazing stupidity they simply ignore it. What was once a HUGE part of the conspiracy suddenly isnt important anymore. Just a small detail. They simply move on, watch some "the real truth" video again found on the internet and pick something else like "why arent the tapes made public". Then they scream about that for 2 years till finally they will be shut up again. The tapes will be made public or whatever so there goes there conspiracy again. But dont worry, they will find something new...

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Hey Ripshit for brains,
You want to know why the videos were never released?. Its called National Security. You don't see the government releasing videos of our subs, planes, missile or anything like that do you?. Its called National Security.

What country are you in anyway?

directfiesta

They released videos of Atta and the gang in Boston ....

It served the purpose .

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Hey good for you You think Im Ripshit for brains good for you miss Q from CT....

Why perhaps because of security Im just not getting this part of it please explain it to me Anybody please how when I or anyone can go take as many photos as they like or vids of the pentagon from the outside and no problem but A plane crashing into the pentagon film is a national security leak of some sort!

It just doesnt make any sense here at all!

Ripshit

SmokeyTheBear

ahh national security , that explains it.. thats why anyone can simply drive to where the cameras are and take the exact same footage..
and since we already know what happened then there is no security issue in releasing them .. unless of course there is no plane.. then your theory makes sense.

i have seen videos of all of the things you mentioned..

What country are you in anyway?

your telling me you have never seen govenrment released footage of subs , planes , and missiles before ?


maybe if your government has no planes or subs or missiles


to be honest your beginning to sound more ludicrous than any conspiracy theory..

Its a "national security" risk to show a video that anyone can go take ( minus the crash of course ) ?


there are plenty of reasons why SOME kinds of footage could be considered "national security", so far i haven't seen any argument that explains why this would be a security issue.

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V_RocKs

The plane was moving roughly 733 feet per second. The camera taking pictures shot 1 frame a second. The field of view for the camera is about 400 feet and the cross bar for the parking lot it was protecting obstructs much of the horizontal view the plane was flying in.

So the field of view is actually about 350 feet. So it is a coin toss on getting the plane into view.

V_RocKs

You are forgetting that the pilots played the Microsoft flight sim for hours on end. A friend of mine just completed training to be a commercial pilot. Guess what his instructors all told him to do to prepare for real flight and getting used to various planes dynamics? Microsoft flight simulator. Guess what my buddy said about it? It is very much like the real thing.

Xplicit

First off let me say I believe 9/11 was an inside job.

With that said - FELLOW 9/11 TRUTHERS, GET OFF THIS NO-PLANE PENTAGON THEORY.

The 9/11 Truth movement is growing at an extremely high rate, the more people look into it the more are joining us.

I believe the plane DID hit the pentagon, they have it on tapes, and as soon as the truth movement grows enough to where it becomes a threat to their power, they will release these tapes with a lame excuse about keeping them secret for intelligence reasons.

THIS IS A TRAP! Theres absolutely no reason why they wouldn't use a plane, even if you believe 9/11 was an inside job, which it was. This will be the downfall of this movement if we don't wake up.

zand_stein

its because its really horrible....
they just dont want to remember i think the tragedy but
i belived that they dont wanna forget the incident.

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Dirty F

Go away you fucking imbecile. You thought the exit whole was the entry hole. Dont you get it? You are a fucking retard who shouldnt be thinking about anything else than your next dinner. Please leave anything more complicated to other people.

riabanana

They should've released those plane crash videos, I think it's a right for the American nation to know what exactly is happening to their country.

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Ripshit

I am not forgetting anything thats the problem I wont let it rest ever until the truth is out!

Flight 77 Never happened at all!
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=764296

Ripshit

Dirty F

God, youre such a fucking imbecile. How can you be so fucking simple and not fucking realize it. Your brain must fucking hurt just thinking about how to turn on a computer. Where do you get your info imbecile boy? From the same place where they told you the exit hole was the entry hole of the plane? Fucking retard. Stfu.