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BusterBunny · 08-30-2007, 12:40 PM

100.......

Scroto · 08-30-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny

100.......

simply amazing it made it this far

GeXus · 08-30-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scroto

simply amazing it made it this far

That happens when you have an obsessive compulsive little bitch like fluffygrrl

2012 · 08-30-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny

100.......

it is the ...

fluffygrrl · 08-30-2007, 01:33 PM

All in all a very successfull drama thread.

Fuck the haters :D

crockett · 08-30-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

All in all a very successfull drama thread.

Fuck the haters :D

Just wondering, are you blonde?

fuzebox · 08-30-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

All in all a very successfull drama thread.

Fuck the haters :D

Successful in that 800 new people now know not to do business with you.

J4ck · 08-30-2007, 03:05 PM

LOL only 800 ?

J4ck · 08-30-2007, 03:07 PM

LOL only 800 ?

J4ck · 08-30-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Just wondering, are you blonde?

mabe just trisomik

LOL sorry for the laggy double post just before

fuzebox · 08-30-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by J4ck

LOL only 800 ?

Was just going on the current number of views for this thread

I know it's not a unique number or anything.

baddog · 08-30-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

All in all a very successfull drama thread.

You need to raise your standards. Your drama level is at the same level as your traffic quality.

Tempest · 08-30-2007, 03:50 PM

Funny thread... fluffygrrl should be gone within 3 months.

Axeman · 08-30-2007, 04:39 PM

Has the mentality of some people in a special newbie section of another board to me. Get 30 sales a month and think they got this game all figured out.

fluffygrrl · 08-30-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

Has the mentality of some people in a special newbie section of another board to me. Get 30 sales a month and think they got this game all figured out.

Did every head of the GFY tgp hydra post here yet or is anyone still missing ? Rollcall.

Za Ha · 08-30-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

my traffic trading rules used to state, ask the oldtimers - SERIOUS TOO,

if you want to trade traffic with me send me 10,000 hits a day for 3 months and then MAYBE I'll consider you.

I remember sending like 20-30k a day to Ampland for a week before getting my first hit back

Forkbeard · 08-30-2007, 10:53 PM

Fluffy, looks to me like you just learned your first lesson about traffic trading. Being, never trust anybody you don't know.

Frankly from Scroto's responses I'd never trade with him, his attitudes are common but he's not demonstrating much of a "give a shit" when it comes to being fair with his trading partners. However, I dabbled in traffic trading for awhile and quickly learned that there's a thousand scammers for every honest trader. To thrive in that game you have to be cynical, suspicious, and have an itchy trigger finger. Which means that it's generally not worth it for a small traffic generator to trade with the big boys unless you know them and know they have a fair rep (like, say, Shemp does). It's not that they set out to cheat you -- I'm sure Scroto's honest in his own mind -- it's just that they have been cheated so often and so badly that they don't really give a fuck if they happen to cheat random strangers in the name of protecting themselves. Especially when the random strangers are sending such tiny volumes of traffic that the economics really shouldn't matter to anybody.

What I learned when I was starting out and trying to trade my initial tiny trickles of traffic was that you just have to throw trades at the wall to see what sticks. Try a new trade, send your traffic, monitor the returns closely, write the traffic black holes like Scroto on your blacklist, and move on. It's not worth drama, you're just looking for trading partners who value your traffic. You'll find some eventually.

You'll see folks here who say "shaving doesn't matter -- I don't care if I get shaved, all I care about is that I get a return per click that makes me happy." Traffic trading is the same deal. Cast your bread upon the waters, see what returns, follow the deals that are working and ruthlessly kill the rest.

I still do things this way. I've got a high-traffic blog with tons of valuable search engine traffic. But I'm trying to make sure I'm not 100% reliant on the search engines, so a week or so ago, I initiated trades with two large toplist-style link lists in my niche. Both of them had a force requirement, I set up appropriate links to force the trades. One of them immediately started to return very rewarding volumes of traffic, presumably based on my extra high productivity. The other one never approved my trade. After three days, I sent a polite inquiry. After two more days, I pulled that link. Did that owner "steal" my traffic? Well, sorta; or, more likely, they are on vacation or something and never even noticed the trade signup. My clicks are gone, I got nothing back, but it's not drama-worthy. It's just how that particular shady corner of the biz works. Me, I'm ahead because I seem to have a long-term and valuable trade that I didn't have a week ago. That was the goal. That's how it works. Sometimes it sucks. But, if it were easy, everybody would be doing it, right?

Axeman · 08-30-2007, 10:58 PM

To avoid issues like these contact the webmaster before doing anything. Agree on a trade and ask for confirmation when both links are up and when to start the force then monitor the trades that day and see the results. Signing up to open trades without first speaking to webmasters is not smart in my opinion. You don't know if they will approve you first. And second you don't form any kind of networking bond.

Forkbeard · 08-30-2007, 11:04 PM

Oh, and I should add, it sounds like your beef with Scroto is more about communications than anything else -- if he thought your traffic was crap, he should have said so, sez you, instead of just killing the trade and silently accepting the traffic.

I remember when I used to feel that way. Then I ran a niche TGP for awhile. What I learned is that there are so many scammers, lamers, and freaks out there that it's IMPOSSIBLE to communicate with all of them. You can't find a polite way to say "no, piss off, go away, what part of no didn't you understand?" a thousand times a day, and there's NO MONEY in it for you if you could. You just have to silently delete / ban / ignore all the ripoff artists. Which means that once in blue moon you'll get a bewildered letter from an honest but clueless person going "why did you delete me and not say anything?"

My policy was to fix those "screwups" of mine and be nice about it, but I was small and the volume was rare. If I were dealing with 100k scammers a day and got 100 honest-but-clueless emails, I'd have to ignore those too. It's simply not possible to process them all.

Which is, I suspect, where Scroto's coming from. Note that I understand it, but I still don't condone it, especially once it's clear (as in this thread) that he was dealing with an honest-but-clueless person rather than the usual run of ripoff artist.

Forkbeard · 08-30-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

To avoid issues like these contact the webmaster before doing anything. Agree on a trade and ask for confirmation when both links are up and when to start the force then monitor the trades that day and see the results. Signing up to open trades without first speaking to webmasters is not smart in my opinion. You don't know if they will approve you first. And second you don't form any kind of networking bond.

Yeah, that's what a webmaster with traffic should do -- I didn't only because I'm an impatient fuck who finds it easier and faster sometimes to throw some spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. However, for somebody with Fluffy's level of traffic it may be a waste of everybody's time to contact first and often. Trades that size *ought* to be automated, and there are still scripts that are open that way, if you look for them.

When I was first getting my blogs off the ground I did good business sending small trickles of productive traffic to some TGPs with open trade scripts. I would have been too sheepish to ask for attention for my eight clicks a day or whatever, but my eight clicks generated 20 at the TGP, I got ten or fifteen back, and they were folks in my niche who hadn't seen my blog before, so I'd get five bookmarks or whatever. Tiny business but everybody has to start somewhere!

fluffygrrl · 08-30-2007, 11:35 PM

Hey fork, well thought out thread, lemme answer.

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Fluffy, looks to me like you just learned your first lesson about traffic trading. Being, never trust anybody you don't know.

Indeed. I knew that well enough, which is why I only sent a few hits to begin with.

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Frankly from Scroto's responses I'd never trade with him, his attitudes are common but he's not demonstrating much of a "give a shit" when it comes to being fair with his trading partners.

Pretty much sums it up.

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However, I dabbled in traffic trading for awhile and quickly learned that there's a thousand scammers for every honest trader. To thrive in that game you have to be cynical, suspicious, and have an itchy trigger finger. Which means that it's generally not worth it for a small traffic generator to trade with the big boys unless you know them and know they have a fair rep (like, say, Shemp does). It's not that they set out to cheat you -- I'm sure Scroto's honest in his own mind -- it's just that they have been cheated so often and so badly that they don't really give a fuck if they happen to cheat random strangers in the name of protecting themselves. Especially when the random strangers are sending such tiny volumes of traffic that the economics really shouldn't matter to anybody.

And I fully understand that, and it ain't news, and it's why I kept saying, dude, just man up to it and forget about it, what the fuck. Back on page 1 all over.

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What I learned when I was starting out and trying to trade my initial tiny trickles of traffic was that you just have to throw trades at the wall to see what sticks. Try a new trade, send your traffic, monitor the returns closely, write the traffic black holes like Scroto on your blacklist, and move on. It's not worth drama, you're just looking for trading partners who value your traffic. You'll find some eventually.

Yup. He wasn't my only trade by all means.

And yea, you have to throw shit around see what sticks. I'm lucky that I have a strong project with big traffic to throw around. Some noob, especially if buying his start-up traffic, maybe can't afford to throw it around as much. Which is why I've started the thread in my sig - The State of the Skim.

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Oh, and I should add, it sounds like your beef with Scroto is more about communications than anything else -- if he thought your traffic was crap, he should have said so, sez you, instead of just killing the trade and silently accepting the traffic.

That, and in general the attitude that 1. he's doesn't give a shit, 2. he's too cool to have to give a shit and 3. he can icq people to come post here and look like asshats too.

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I remember when I used to feel that way. Then I ran a niche TGP for awhile. What I learned is that there are so many scammers, lamers, and freaks out there that it's IMPOSSIBLE to communicate with all of them. You can't find a polite way to say "no, piss off, go away, what part of no didn't you understand?" a thousand times a day, and there's NO MONEY in it for you if you could. You just have to silently delete / ban / ignore all the ripoff artists. Which means that once in blue moon you'll get a bewildered letter from an honest but clueless person going "why did you delete me and not say anything?"

My policy was to fix those "screwups" of mine and be nice about it, but I was small and the volume was rare. If I were dealing with 100k scammers a day and got 100 honest-but-clueless emails, I'd have to ignore those too. It's simply not possible to process them all.

Yes, listen. The guy doesn't have more traffic than I do. He's not, like people try to pump him here, some sort of anything. He's a 2nd or 3rd rater trying to make it just as much as anyone.

At any rate. Cheers and good luck.

tigermtb · 08-30-2007, 11:39 PM

Sites that skim to the point where their productivity is less than 10% are a dime a dozen. And some people wonder why they can't make $1k/mo off of 100,000 hits a day... hm.

darnit · 08-30-2007, 11:48 PM

Forkbeark FTW.

Everything he said was dead on the money. Trading traffic is a all trial and error. You got a lame trade, its not shocking or drama worthy, simply the way the game works.

Trust me as your TGP grows you will have increasingly less tolerance for small trades too. You will simply look at stats and delete or allow. Simple as that. Its not personal it's business.

Just move on.

fluffygrrl · 08-31-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by darnit

Forkbeark FTW.

Everything he said was dead on the money. Trading traffic is a all trial and error. You got a lame trade, its not shocking or drama worthy, simply the way the game works.

Trust me as your TGP grows you will have increasingly less tolerance for small trades too. You will simply look at stats and delete or allow. Simple as that. Its not personal it's business.

Just move on.

Enough with this small trades bs. I got more traffic than voyeurpost, and I got better traffic than voyeurpost. Really. So forget that already.

darnit · 08-31-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Enough with this small trades bs. I got more traffic than voyeurpost, and I got better traffic than voyeurpost. Really. So forget that already.

You are an ungrateful little twat.

There are some of the giants in the TGP biz (shemp for ex) trying to give you free helpful advice and help you along. I do know a little something about TGP's myself and also tried to assist you, as did forkbeard with his excellent well informed posts.

However you still grind this angry little ax over 210 hits.

Let me restate that - 210 hits. That's barely a fart in this game.

So go on big timer with your triple digit trades and bash on those who know what the fuck they are doing and trying to help.

I usually hate to see newbs fail...... usually.

baddog · 08-31-2007, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Enough with this small trades bs. I got more traffic than voyeurpost, and I got better traffic than voyeurpost. Really. So forget that already.

With your incessant whining, I highly doubt it.

RAM · 08-31-2007, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by darnit

You are an ungrateful little twat.

There are some of the giants in the TGP biz (shemp for ex) trying to give you free helpful advice and help you along. I do know a little something about TGP's myself and also tried to assist you, as did forkbeard with his excellent well informed posts.

However you still grind this angry little ax over 210 hits.

Let me restate that - 210 hits. That's barely a fart in this game.

So go on big timer with your triple digit trades and bash on those who know what the fuck they are doing and trying to help.

I usually hate to see newbs fail...... usually.

I have to agree 100% I think Fluffy should go back to Fluffing !!!

Juicy D. Links · 08-31-2007, 02:59 AM

Oy Veyyyyyyyyy

fluffygrrl · 08-31-2007, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

With your incessant whining, I highly doubt it.

Baddog, you don't read too good, seeing how you still have to grasp the point of the thread. Maybe pictures work better with your brain.

Martin3 · 08-31-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Baddog, you don't read too good, seeing how you still have to grasp the point of the thread. Maybe pictures work better with your brain.

Why not post a real graph

One site has had steady numbers for over a year. Where as you site just got started less then a month ago.

Cheap ass feeder traffic could produce numbers better then that.
You can go back even more and see

One site is branded, your's isn't. Voyeurpost has been around since '98, your site could be built in 10 minutes.
You still have a lot to learn.
Not to mention you're on one of the worst hosts possible.

GAMEFINEST · 08-31-2007, 02:57 PM

Its getting hot in here

sublimed · 08-31-2007, 03:01 PM

entertaining

tranza · 08-31-2007, 03:25 PM

Fluffygirl, sometimes it's best if you just listen to everything everybody is saying.

Your MayorsMoney stats shows that out of 100 clicks sent, only 3 clicked on a join. That's VERY low.

Nowadays ALL traffic trading scripts will send traffic based on produtivity. That means that the script will see the % of surfers that you sent that actually clicked on a gallery from the other site you're trading.

Based on the Mayors Money stats you posted, your produtivity SUCKS. I know you probably won't like to hear it, but it's true. That's the reason your trade got deleted. That's the reason why Voyeurpost script didn't send you traffic back.

You still have A LOT to learn on this game.

fuzebox · 08-31-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

Your MayorsMoney stats shows that out of 100 clicks sent, only 3 clicked on a join. That's VERY low.

...

Based on the Mayors Money stats you posted, your produtivity SUCKS. I know you probably won't like to hear it, but it's true. That's the reason your trade got deleted. That's the reason why Voyeurpost script didn't send you traffic back.

Careful, I said this and got attacked

Axeman · 08-31-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Careful, I said this and got attacked

Don't feel bad, she is an equal opportunist hater. She is a royal bitch and will fail miserably in this biz.

baddog · 08-31-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Baddog, you don't read too good, seeing how you still have to grasp the point of the thread. Maybe pictures work better with your brain.

People that rely on Alexa as an accurate means of determining traffic make baby Jesus cry . . . and have a lot to learn.

Dollarmansteve · 08-31-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Enough with this small trades bs. I got more traffic than voyeurpost, and I got better traffic than voyeurpost. Really. So forget that already.

Can I just say for the record, that in general, you are the most arrogant douchebag on this board.

Why don't you start another thread about the domain business to demonstrate the magnitude of your ignorance.

I'm sure that in your mind you have a twisted delusion of grandeur, thinking that you know how to ''play the gfy drama game" to your advantage. Little do you know that this place and what goes on here is but a tiny spec in the universe of this business.

BradM · 08-31-2007, 04:28 PM

And I thought MY ratio sucked.

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08-30-2007, 10:53 PM	#117
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	Fluffy, looks to me like you just learned your first lesson about traffic trading. Being, never trust anybody you don't know. Frankly from Scroto's responses I'd never trade with him, his attitudes are common but he's not demonstrating much of a "give a shit" when it comes to being fair with his trading partners. However, I dabbled in traffic trading for awhile and quickly learned that there's a thousand scammers for every honest trader. To thrive in that game you have to be cynical, suspicious, and have an itchy trigger finger. Which means that it's generally not worth it for a small traffic generator to trade with the big boys unless you know them and know they have a fair rep (like, say, Shemp does). It's not that they set out to cheat you -- I'm sure Scroto's honest in his own mind -- it's just that they have been cheated so often and so badly that they don't really give a fuck if they happen to cheat random strangers in the name of protecting themselves. Especially when the random strangers are sending such tiny volumes of traffic that the economics really shouldn't matter to anybody. What I learned when I was starting out and trying to trade my initial tiny trickles of traffic was that you just have to throw trades at the wall to see what sticks. Try a new trade, send your traffic, monitor the returns closely, write the traffic black holes like Scroto on your blacklist, and move on. It's not worth drama, you're just looking for trading partners who value your traffic. You'll find some eventually. You'll see folks here who say "shaving doesn't matter -- I don't care if I get shaved, all I care about is that I get a return per click that makes me happy." Traffic trading is the same deal. Cast your bread upon the waters, see what returns, follow the deals that are working and ruthlessly kill the rest. I still do things this way. I've got a high-traffic blog with tons of valuable search engine traffic. But I'm trying to make sure I'm not 100% reliant on the search engines, so a week or so ago, I initiated trades with two large toplist-style link lists in my niche. Both of them had a force requirement, I set up appropriate links to force the trades. One of them immediately started to return very rewarding volumes of traffic, presumably based on my extra high productivity. The other one never approved my trade. After three days, I sent a polite inquiry. After two more days, I pulled that link. Did that owner "steal" my traffic? Well, sorta; or, more likely, they are on vacation or something and never even noticed the trade signup. My clicks are gone, I got nothing back, but it's not drama-worthy. It's just how that particular shady corner of the biz works. Me, I'm ahead because I seem to have a long-term and valuable trade that I didn't have a week ago. That was the goal. That's how it works. Sometimes it sucks. But, if it were easy, everybody would be doing it, right? __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.

08-30-2007, 01:33 PM	#105
fluffygrrl So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,187	All in all a very successfull drama thread. Fuck the haters :D

08-30-2007, 03:50 PM	#113
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Funny thread... fluffygrrl should be gone within 3 months.

08-30-2007, 10:58 PM	#118
Axeman Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Swamp Posts: 5,201	To avoid issues like these contact the webmaster before doing anything. Agree on a trade and ask for confirmation when both links are up and when to start the force then monitor the trades that day and see the results. Signing up to open trades without first speaking to webmasters is not smart in my opinion. You don't know if they will approve you first. And second you don't form any kind of networking bond. __________________ XXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.com

08-30-2007, 11:04 PM	#119
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	Oh, and I should add, it sounds like your beef with Scroto is more about communications than anything else -- if he thought your traffic was crap, he should have said so, sez you, instead of just killing the trade and silently accepting the traffic. I remember when I used to feel that way. Then I ran a niche TGP for awhile. What I learned is that there are so many scammers, lamers, and freaks out there that it's IMPOSSIBLE to communicate with all of them. You can't find a polite way to say "no, piss off, go away, what part of no didn't you understand?" a thousand times a day, and there's NO MONEY in it for you if you could. You just have to silently delete / ban / ignore all the ripoff artists. Which means that once in blue moon you'll get a bewildered letter from an honest but clueless person going "why did you delete me and not say anything?" My policy was to fix those "screwups" of mine and be nice about it, but I was small and the volume was rare. If I were dealing with 100k scammers a day and got 100 honest-but-clueless emails, I'd have to ignore those too. It's simply not possible to process them all. Which is, I suspect, where Scroto's coming from. Note that I understand it, but I still don't condone it, especially once it's clear (as in this thread) that he was dealing with an honest-but-clueless person rather than the usual run of ripoff artist. __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.

08-30-2007, 11:39 PM	#122
tigermtb Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,062	Sites that skim to the point where their productivity is less than 10% are a dime a dozen. And some people wonder why they can't make $1k/mo off of 100,000 hits a day... hm. __________________ Jay \| JuicyAds Founder Businessman of the Year [YNOT Awards 2013] The most awarded adult advertising network with 25+ XBIZ, GFY, and YNOT Awards.

08-30-2007, 11:48 PM	#123
darnit Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Teh Interweb Posts: 2,439	Forkbeark FTW. Everything he said was dead on the money. Trading traffic is a all trial and error. You got a lame trade, its not shocking or drama worthy, simply the way the game works. Trust me as your TGP grows you will have increasingly less tolerance for small trades too. You will simply look at stats and delete or allow. Simple as that. Its not personal it's business. Just move on.

08-31-2007, 02:59 AM	#128
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Oy Veyyyyyyyyy

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08-31-2007, 03:25 PM	#133
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Fluffygirl, sometimes it's best if you just listen to everything everybody is saying. Your MayorsMoney stats shows that out of 100 clicks sent, only 3 clicked on a join. That's VERY low. Nowadays ALL traffic trading scripts will send traffic based on produtivity. That means that the script will see the % of surfers that you sent that actually clicked on a gallery from the other site you're trading. Based on the Mayors Money stats you posted, your produtivity SUCKS. I know you probably won't like to hear it, but it's true. That's the reason your trade got deleted. That's the reason why Voyeurpost script didn't send you traffic back. You still have A LOT to learn on this game. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

08-31-2007, 04:28 PM	#138
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	And I thought MY ratio sucked.