Do you believe Glo-Bill? - GoFuckYourself.com

Brown Bear · 10-02-2002, 04:49 PM

With all this new Visa regulation crap going on, Glo-Bill claims that it is not being affected by any of it.

It all sounds good and makes Glo-Bill look like a "knight in shining armour" come to rescue everyone, but do you believe it?

BJ · 10-02-2002, 04:51 PM

looks to me that glo-bill is trying to gain some market share. Good ol bait and switch... get the clients, then conveniently tell them at a later date that they need to pay the fees and incorporate in the us to retain their rebills.

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 04:53 PM

Not for a moment. They are pulling a fast one, or they are very stupid. This will all catch up with them.

Brown Bear · 10-02-2002, 04:56 PM

Yeah, I think Glo-Bill is pullin a bait and switch too. If it was possible for IBill or CCBill to get around this new policy, they probably would.

A.Martin · 10-02-2002, 04:58 PM

While we at Glo-Bill certainly appreciate everyone's opinions of our company, even negative opinions, we do like to interject when some posts come close to slander.

I can assure the ENTIRE INDUSTRY that Glo-Bill is not attempting any "bait and switch" routine as seems to be suggested here by some. Let that be recorded on the public record.

I will repeat what I have already stated in a previous post:

First, Glo-Bill is not, never has and never will attempt to "get around the credit card companies". I can assure everyone that everything is above board and that Glo-Bill is in fact working very closely with BOTH the credit card industry and the merchant banking industry in the jurisdiction that we are now processing from. We are in full compliance with all regulations within our jurisdiction.

Second, this is way more than simply a jurisdictional issue. Glo-Bill had a small army of attorneys, banking experts and consultants working on this problem for more than three months. They have worked with us in crafting a unique and solid solution that will benefit both Glo-Bill and by extension all of Glo-Bill's clients.

We cannot speak for other processors and whatever paths they have chosen to go down. But by the same token, we do hope that ALL our competitors and the industry as a whole continues to prosper. That only helps all of us. Glo-Bill has simply positioned itself with a solution it regards as the most beneficial to its clients.

Darren · 10-02-2002, 05:05 PM

Globill emailed us about it weeks ago

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 05:09 PM

Time will tell if Globill is really on to something. If so, will CCBill, Epoch, etc. follow suit? Either way, won't VISA just adjust their policies accordingly?

Brown Bear · 10-02-2002, 05:09 PM

I really really really wanna believe Glo-Bill, but its hard to believe that CCBill, IBill, and Epoch don't know what they're doing.

OK, well maybe I would believe that Epoch doesn't know what its doing because that guy who posted here is a turd, but the other major CC processors seem to deny what Glo-Bill is saying.

BJ · 10-02-2002, 05:11 PM

not to be an ass or anything, but does a team of lawyers, banking experts and consultants really make you immune from the multi-trillion dollar machine visa runs?

Anyone should CLEARLY recognize that high-risk processing is a pimple on visa's ass just crying to be popped.

Plat · 10-02-2002, 05:12 PM

whatever happens out of this. its not going to be good

wonton · 10-02-2002, 05:13 PM

Globill kicks ass and always has. They have been the most ethical and outstanding company i've dealt with period.

As for why didn't iBill, Epoch and CCBill etc. come up with a similar solution if it was available - well, maybe they're just not as smart!

That's like saying, "why didn't John Rockefeller invent the automobile instead of Henry Ford? After all, he had more money didn't he?"

Anyway, it's probably pointless to speculate and as Brown Bear has said in other posts "time will tell".

And as I've said in another post. I'm a betting man.

I bet Glo-bill.

DatsMyStapler · 10-02-2002, 05:16 PM

Will Glo-Bill be affected by the new regulations? A simple yes or no will do

Brown Bear · 10-02-2002, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DatsMyStapler
Will Glo-Bill be affected by the new regulations? A simple yes or no will do

They already said "no"

theking · 10-02-2002, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DatsMyStapler
Will Glo-Bill be affected by the new regulations? A simple yes or no will do

A simple yes or no sounds like a reasonable request? Care to respond A.Martin?

theking · 10-02-2002, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear

They already said "no"

A link?

BJ · 10-02-2002, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear

They already said "no"

and interpreted it as "not yet, we have bought ourselves some time"

Some Guy · 10-02-2002, 05:27 PM

Wow, looks like I'm switching to Glo-Bill.

I've always stuck by CCBill, but this is just too much.

A.Martin · 10-02-2002, 05:28 PM

theking, here is the simple answer: "No. Glo-Bill is not affected by the new regulations."

I will repeat other points that I have mentioned previously:

We will not divulge the full details on our strategies for obvious reasons. We will say that we saw the writiing on the wall many months ago and started taking proactive measures since then to protect our clients' businesses to the best of our ability. The bottom line: it is business as usual at Glo-Bill, meaning:

- No set-up fees
- No monthly or annual fees
- No reporting of your private information to any outside entity
- Websites from foreign countries welcome as always without special requirements
- No Big Brother style registration forms and no scrutiny of your website by other entities
- We help you maintain your chargebacks at very low levels WITHOUT blindly declining good signups
- Still no free trials and proud of it!

Brown Bear · 10-02-2002, 05:31 PM

If this is the case, then I think Glo-Bill will see an enormous number of international webmasters signup with Glo-Bill to get around having a US presence.

Go Go Glo-Bill

theking · 10-02-2002, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by A.Martin
theking, here is the simple answer: "No. Glo-Bill is not affected by the new regulations."

I will repeat other points that I have mentioned previously:

We will not divulge the full details on our strategies for obvious reasons. We will say that we saw the writiing on the wall many months ago and started taking proactive measures since then to protect our clients' businesses to the best of our ability. The bottom line: it is business as usual at Glo-Bill, meaning:

- No set-up fees
- No monthly or annual fees
- No reporting of your private information to any outside entity
- Websites from foreign countries welcome as always without special requirements
- No Big Brother style registration forms and no scrutiny of your website by other entities
- We help you maintain your chargebacks at very low levels WITHOUT blindly declining good signups
- Still no free trials and proud of it!

Straight forward response. Thank you.

A.Martin · 10-02-2002, 05:33 PM

Thank you Brown Bear. We're on the go!

We've already seen a large number of international webmasters signing up just today.

A.Martin · 10-02-2002, 05:35 PM

theking - you're welcome. Straight forward is the only type of response I give.

cherrylula · 10-02-2002, 05:35 PM

I think one thing that people are overlooking, is that VISA is the one who makes the rules regarding chargebacks, so their "high risk" factor is bullshit.

If they did not allow jerk-off surfers to charge back so easily, there would be a lot less problems IN GENERAL. I think there are lots of other things VISA could do to secure the system opposed to just laying it all on us.

Do they think they're fucking God or what???

Darren · 10-02-2002, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by A.Martin
Thank you Brown Bear. We're on the go!

We've already seen a large number of international webmasters signing up just today.

because u guys are GREAT! like i told u months ago though u should have came to this forum to help peeps out

A.Martin · 10-02-2002, 05:44 PM

cherrylula,

chargebacks have been the bane of the industry and are pretty much the reason for each and every heavy-handed rule set down by the credit card industry in past years.

Certainly, the central weakness in the system has been that it is too easy for a "cheap charlie" to simply claim he never made a charge. But in past years, many unscrupulous webmasters and certain billing companies that are no longer in existence, exacerbated the problem by employing all types of underhanded methods to gouge users. Some websites made it virtually impossible for users to cancel a recurring subscription. All that eventually caught up with the industry as a whole.

Bottom line, the more the industry employs ethical practices, the more of a chance that we will see less heavy-handed rules in the future.

A.Martin · 10-02-2002, 05:45 PM

Darren,

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

May you continue to enlarge billions of pensises (peni?) around the globe!!

DrewKole · 10-02-2002, 05:47 PM

Its pretty simple... get it in writing that you will NEVER be charged for said processor fees on the basis that they blatently say, come with us and avoid the fee. =)

BVF · 10-02-2002, 05:54 PM

I know one thing. When the truth comes out, SOMEBODY is going to come out looking shitty.

If Globill is right and has a legitimate way to avoid this, I'll be PISSED at CCbill for not thinking of it and I'll switch processors.

If CCbill is right, I'll NEVER EVER do any kind of business with Globill nor will I take stock in anything somebody from that company said. Globill will probably lose face with a lot of webmasters and they will become a miniscule alternative to the big three.

DatsMyStapler · 10-02-2002, 06:02 PM

A.Martin, your phones must be ringing off the hook. Good job. BTW, I didnt know Glo-Bill operates out of Walnut Creek. Semi-Silicon Valley right?

wonton · 10-02-2002, 06:06 PM

Good observation BVF. More importantly, I think at least one major processor is ALREADY looking like total shit. I'm obssessed with this one....

Chris from Eposh stated, and I quote:

" So "switch" if you will, but from what I hear, you may not be welcome when you HAVE to return. "

Man, that's bullshit!!!

Some Guy · 10-02-2002, 06:08 PM

A.Martin, your polite, prompt, and intelligent replies have impressed me very much. I plan on becoming a Glo-Bill client tomorrow!

Thank you once again for being so great about all of this. You seem to really know what you're talking about.

theking · 10-02-2002, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton
Good observation BVF. More importantly, I think at least one major processor is ALREADY looking like total shit. I'm obssessed with this one....

Chris from Eposh stated, and I quote:

" So "switch" if you will, but from what I hear, you may not be welcome when you HAVE to return. "

Man, that's bullshit!!!

He is almost as bad at representing his business as BradShaw and his crew are at respresenting SicCash.

A.Martin · 10-02-2002, 06:08 PM

datsmystapler,

Cool username, btw and yes we are located in the semi-valley and yes our phones are ringing off the hook! I had to call in extra staff to deal with it.

DatsMyStapler · 10-02-2002, 06:08 PM

isnt epoch the processor for Blacks on Blondes? The stats interface fucking sucks.

Cogitator · 10-02-2002, 06:12 PM

Go A.Martin!

gothweb · 10-02-2002, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton
Good observation BVF. More importantly, I think at least one major processor is ALREADY looking like total shit. I'm obssessed with this one....

Chris from Eposh stated, and I quote:

" So "switch" if you will, but from what I hear, you may not be welcome when you HAVE to return. "

Man, that's bullshit!!!

Are you denying that VISA USA might give globill a little trouble when they have to come back from off-shore? Because it seems likely to me that they won't like a biller that is banking on a loophole.

DatsMyStapler · 10-02-2002, 06:16 PM

A.Martin, thanks. If you need extra staff, Im ready to come in.

Va2k · 10-02-2002, 06:17 PM

Well as far as I can tell and I aint no one special but glo-bill has been str8 up front with me from the start.. I am in the mind setting right now and started changing things for my website. What really is pissing me off is FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK after a year and a half of blood sweet tears drugs booze stress zits and screwing ugly chicks MY SITE IS finaly FINALY converting like a mad man at a min 13 to 15 signups a day and this started a little over a week ago. Even though I only get 50% of that and now im only going to get 30% since I have upped the glo-bill to 60/40 and then started paying other webmasters 10% just to refer other webmasters SO I aint making alot but SHIT IT does feel good when you worked as HARD as I have to start seeing it come togther.. errr i must be tired re-edited it again
Tom

wonton · 10-02-2002, 06:25 PM

gothweb quote:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you denying that VISA USA might give globill a little trouble when they have to come back from off-shore? Because it seems likely to me that they won't like a biller that is banking on a loophole.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Who knows. I think it is possible that maybe two or three months from now that Visa will come out with yet MORE new rules to plug up whatever loophole Globill has found. Then again, maybe not. Maybe it is not a "loophole". But either way, Globill gets points in my book for at least figuring out a better way to handle this for now. That indicates that they are on their toes more so than others.

RATBOY · 10-02-2002, 06:26 PM

Ok, I am a new webmaster. I am just finishing my paperwork to submit to the state to register my business. So this directly influences me. This is what I know.

If I have to pay 750.00 just to start I will most likely have to hold off an additional six weeks to get that out of the way. I would definitely even consider longer to handle the 350.00 a year from now.

IF...

I have to pay 750.00 just to get processing going, I will. I think Epoch, CCBill, and iBill realize this. Everyone else who CANNOT PAY (and mind you, who really CAN'T under NO CIRCUMSTANCES) is not going to make a really good profit in the long run anyway... Mind you, this is my theory and may be disproved with time, and under no circumstances should this be taken as fact.

I THINK (also, just a theory) that Epoch, iBill, and CCBill banded together on this one to promote thier own PROFIT MARGIN. Otherwise it would not have been a JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT. They needed solidarity on this issue to make it work profitably for them.

What I also know...

I have NEVER READ ANYTHING BAD ABOUT GloBill. I cannot say the same for the other companies. In fact, thier baseless threats of HAVING to come back, innuendos of sueing small webmasters (no offence to anyone on the board) for SLANDER in speaking thier OPINIONS is reprehensible, poor relations, and just poopy.

Va2k · 10-02-2002, 06:29 PM

DatsMyStapler · 10-02-2002, 06:30 PM

RatBoy Collins

Cindyff · 10-02-2002, 06:34 PM

This is my view on Globill. We have used them as a secondary processor for just over 12 months now. They have a fantastic chargeback policy with a warning page that is in my opinion out of this world and i am surprised other processors haven't copied it.
I think in all that time we have called Globill just once about a password problem. I think these guys are 100% and would not BS just to get more accounts in the short term. Since this all blew up i have written to my other two processors telling them that we are putting Globill as our prime processor on all our sites.
Ibill are so useless that we even dropped their Rev share program in favor of Epochs. Since we did that our calls to their support department have gone from 5 times a day to almost Zero saving us hours or unnecessary work each week?
I agree with the guys that say the chargeback issue is our ( Adult Webmasters ) main problem. If you don't have a processor that will stand up to these fraudulent claims from members that are just out to fuck the webmaster, then you are fucked from the start. We have our own Merchant account and will be using that in future. But now i hear that Visa, Mastercard charge an arm and a leg to anyone in the adult industry who want to open an account with them for on-line transactions.
There is a company that we are going to try called XChargeBacks who deal with prepaid billing hence the name X or no chargebacks. Anyone heard anything good or bad about them.
At the end of the day most adult webmasters are so resourceful that they will come up with a way around this shit !!!

Robert · 10-02-2002, 06:39 PM

glo-bill rocks! .. that's why we use them @ teenscontent.com

wonton · 10-02-2002, 06:40 PM

Ratboy

Quote:

I THINK (also, just a theory) that Epoch, iBill, and CCBill banded together on this one to promote thier own PROFIT MARGIN. Otherwise it would not have been a JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT. They needed solidarity on this issue to make it work profitably for them.

I think Ratboy hit the nail on the head. The "big three" banded together and found a way to use Visa's new fees to their advantage. Of course a chunk of that $750 is going to go into their pocket. That's major moola for a processor with tens of thousands of webmasters. Globill took the tougher and more ethical route and busted their ass to find a solution that works better for their clients. In the long run this strategy will prove to be the wise. It's like the Walmart philosophy. When they get better deals from their sellers, they automatically pass the savings to their shoppers instead of gaining on the higher profit margin for the short term. This makes more people shop at Walmart. In the long run the more ethical practice always wins!

Just my

erotictrance · 10-02-2002, 06:43 PM

Nah ... I don't believe it.

Only time will tell, of course, but I wouldn't be surprized if this was just a Globill marketing ploy ...

[H] · 10-02-2002, 06:43 PM

I agree. This stinks of a profit deal between IBill, Epoch, & CCBill.

Globill is shining.

sexyclicks · 10-02-2002, 06:45 PM

It would be very nice if someone from another processor comes and gives us an opinion about what globill is saying.

[H] · 10-02-2002, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexyclicks
It would be very nice if someone from another processor comes and gives us an opinion about what globill is saying.

They did. Epoch threatened us. CCBill denounced Globill. And IBill is nowhere to be found as usual.

DatsMyStapler · 10-02-2002, 06:47 PM

RatBoys onto something. Hey RatBoy, you think OJs in on it?

10-02-2002, 04:49 PM	#1
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	Do you believe Glo-Bill? With all this new Visa regulation crap going on, Glo-Bill claims that it is not being affected by any of it. It all sounds good and makes Glo-Bill look like a "knight in shining armour" come to rescue everyone, but do you believe it? __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-02-2002, 04:53 PM	#3
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Not for a moment. They are pulling a fast one, or they are very stupid. This will all catch up with them. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-02-2002, 04:56 PM	#4
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	Yeah, I think Glo-Bill is pullin a bait and switch too. If it was possible for IBill or CCBill to get around this new policy, they probably would. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-02-2002, 04:58 PM	#5
A.Martin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 22	While we at Glo-Bill certainly appreciate everyone's opinions of our company, even negative opinions, we do like to interject when some posts come close to slander. I can assure the ENTIRE INDUSTRY that Glo-Bill is not attempting any "bait and switch" routine as seems to be suggested here by some. Let that be recorded on the public record. I will repeat what I have already stated in a previous post: First, Glo-Bill is not, never has and never will attempt to "get around the credit card companies". I can assure everyone that everything is above board and that Glo-Bill is in fact working very closely with BOTH the credit card industry and the merchant banking industry in the jurisdiction that we are now processing from. We are in full compliance with all regulations within our jurisdiction. Second, this is way more than simply a jurisdictional issue. Glo-Bill had a small army of attorneys, banking experts and consultants working on this problem for more than three months. They have worked with us in crafting a unique and solid solution that will benefit both Glo-Bill and by extension all of Glo-Bill's clients. We cannot speak for other processors and whatever paths they have chosen to go down. But by the same token, we do hope that ALL our competitors and the industry as a whole continues to prosper. That only helps all of us. Glo-Bill has simply positioned itself with a solution it regards as the most beneficial to its clients. __________________ A. Martin Vice President - Operations www.Glo-Bill.com

10-02-2002, 05:05 PM	#6
Darren Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,994	Globill emailed us about it weeks ago __________________ Penis enlargement / male enhancement pills - earn up to $229.48 per signup ICQ: 46335817

10-02-2002, 04:51 PM	#2
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	looks to me that glo-bill is trying to gain some market share. Good ol bait and switch... get the clients, then conveniently tell them at a later date that they need to pay the fees and incorporate in the us to retain their rebills.

10-02-2002, 05:09 PM	#7
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Time will tell if Globill is really on to something. If so, will CCBill, Epoch, etc. follow suit? Either way, won't VISA just adjust their policies accordingly? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

10-02-2002, 05:11 PM	#9
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	not to be an ass or anything, but does a team of lawyers, banking experts and consultants really make you immune from the multi-trillion dollar machine visa runs? Anyone should CLEARLY recognize that high-risk processing is a pimple on visa's ass just crying to be popped.

10-02-2002, 05:12 PM	#10
Plat Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 2,680	whatever happens out of this. its not going to be good __________________ Im fuckin retired

10-02-2002, 05:13 PM	#11
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	Globill kicks ass and always has. They have been the most ethical and outstanding company i've dealt with period. As for why didn't iBill, Epoch and CCBill etc. come up with a similar solution if it was available - well, maybe they're just not as smart! That's like saying, "why didn't John Rockefeller invent the automobile instead of Henry Ford? After all, he had more money didn't he?" Anyway, it's probably pointless to speculate and as Brown Bear has said in other posts "time will tell". And as I've said in another post. I'm a betting man. I bet Glo-bill.

10-02-2002, 05:16 PM	#12
DatsMyStapler Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 125	Will Glo-Bill be affected by the new regulations? A simple yes or no will do __________________ SexyListX.com

10-02-2002, 05:27 PM	#17
Some Guy Affordable Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,750	Wow, looks like I'm switching to Glo-Bill. I've always stuck by CCBill, but this is just too much.

10-02-2002, 05:28 PM	#18
A.Martin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 22	theking, here is the simple answer: "No. Glo-Bill is not affected by the new regulations." I will repeat other points that I have mentioned previously: We will not divulge the full details on our strategies for obvious reasons. We will say that we saw the writiing on the wall many months ago and started taking proactive measures since then to protect our clients' businesses to the best of our ability. The bottom line: it is business as usual at Glo-Bill, meaning: - No set-up fees - No monthly or annual fees - No reporting of your private information to any outside entity - Websites from foreign countries welcome as always without special requirements - No Big Brother style registration forms and no scrutiny of your website by other entities - We help you maintain your chargebacks at very low levels WITHOUT blindly declining good signups - Still no free trials and proud of it! __________________ A. Martin Vice President - Operations www.Glo-Bill.com

10-02-2002, 05:31 PM	#19
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	If this is the case, then I think Glo-Bill will see an enormous number of international webmasters signup with Glo-Bill to get around having a US presence. Go Go Glo-Bill __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

10-02-2002, 05:33 PM	#21
A.Martin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 22	Thank you Brown Bear. We're on the go! We've already seen a large number of international webmasters signing up just today. __________________ A. Martin Vice President - Operations www.Glo-Bill.com

10-02-2002, 05:35 PM	#22
A.Martin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 22	theking - you're welcome. Straight forward is the only type of response I give. __________________ A. Martin Vice President - Operations www.Glo-Bill.com

10-02-2002, 05:35 PM	#23
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	I think one thing that people are overlooking, is that VISA is the one who makes the rules regarding chargebacks, so their "high risk" factor is bullshit. If they did not allow jerk-off surfers to charge back so easily, there would be a lot less problems IN GENERAL. I think there are lots of other things VISA could do to secure the system opposed to just laying it all on us. Do they think they're fucking God or what???

10-02-2002, 05:44 PM	#25
A.Martin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 22	cherrylula, chargebacks have been the bane of the industry and are pretty much the reason for each and every heavy-handed rule set down by the credit card industry in past years. Certainly, the central weakness in the system has been that it is too easy for a "cheap charlie" to simply claim he never made a charge. But in past years, many unscrupulous webmasters and certain billing companies that are no longer in existence, exacerbated the problem by employing all types of underhanded methods to gouge users. Some websites made it virtually impossible for users to cancel a recurring subscription. All that eventually caught up with the industry as a whole. Bottom line, the more the industry employs ethical practices, the more of a chance that we will see less heavy-handed rules in the future. __________________ A. Martin Vice President - Operations www.Glo-Bill.com

10-02-2002, 05:45 PM	#26
A.Martin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 22	Darren, Thanks for the vote of confidence. May you continue to enlarge billions of pensises (peni?) around the globe!! __________________ A. Martin Vice President - Operations www.Glo-Bill.com

10-02-2002, 05:47 PM	#27
DrewKole Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,193	Its pretty simple... get it in writing that you will NEVER be charged for said processor fees on the basis that they blatently say, come with us and avoid the fee. =)

10-02-2002, 05:54 PM	#28
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	I know one thing. When the truth comes out, SOMEBODY is going to come out looking shitty. If Globill is right and has a legitimate way to avoid this, I'll be PISSED at CCbill for not thinking of it and I'll switch processors. If CCbill is right, I'll NEVER EVER do any kind of business with Globill nor will I take stock in anything somebody from that company said. Globill will probably lose face with a lot of webmasters and they will become a miniscule alternative to the big three. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

10-02-2002, 06:02 PM	#29
DatsMyStapler Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 125	A.Martin, your phones must be ringing off the hook. Good job. BTW, I didnt know Glo-Bill operates out of Walnut Creek. Semi-Silicon Valley right? __________________ SexyListX.com

10-02-2002, 06:06 PM	#30
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	Good observation BVF. More importantly, I think at least one major processor is ALREADY looking like total shit. I'm obssessed with this one.... Chris from Eposh stated, and I quote: " So "switch" if you will, but from what I hear, you may not be welcome when you HAVE to return. " Man, that's bullshit!!!

10-02-2002, 06:08 PM	#31
Some Guy Affordable Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,750	A.Martin, your polite, prompt, and intelligent replies have impressed me very much. I plan on becoming a Glo-Bill client tomorrow! Thank you once again for being so great about all of this. You seem to really know what you're talking about.

10-02-2002, 06:12 PM	#35
Cogitator Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 672	Go A.Martin! __________________ - this space intentionally left blank -

10-02-2002, 06:16 PM	#37
DatsMyStapler Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 125	A.Martin, thanks. If you need extra staff, Im ready to come in. __________________ SexyListX.com

10-02-2002, 06:17 PM	#38
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	Well as far as I can tell and I aint no one special but glo-bill has been str8 up front with me from the start.. I am in the mind setting right now and started changing things for my website. What really is pissing me off is FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK after a year and a half of blood sweet tears drugs booze stress zits and screwing ugly chicks MY SITE IS finaly FINALY converting like a mad man at a min 13 to 15 signups a day and this started a little over a week ago. Even though I only get 50% of that and now im only going to get 30% since I have upped the glo-bill to 60/40 and then started paying other webmasters 10% just to refer other webmasters SO I aint making alot but SHIT IT does feel good when you worked as HARD as I have to start seeing it come togther.. errr i must be tired re-edited it again Tom __________________ Last edited by Va2k; 10-02-2002 at 06:31 PM..

10-02-2002, 06:25 PM	#39
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	gothweb quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you denying that VISA USA might give globill a little trouble when they have to come back from off-shore? Because it seems likely to me that they won't like a biller that is banking on a loophole. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who knows. I think it is possible that maybe two or three months from now that Visa will come out with yet MORE new rules to plug up whatever loophole Globill has found. Then again, maybe not. Maybe it is not a "loophole". But either way, Globill gets points in my book for at least figuring out a better way to handle this for now. That indicates that they are on their toes more so than others.

10-02-2002, 06:26 PM	#40
RATBOY Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,592	Ok, I am a new webmaster. I am just finishing my paperwork to submit to the state to register my business. So this directly influences me. This is what I know. If I have to pay 750.00 just to start I will most likely have to hold off an additional six weeks to get that out of the way. I would definitely even consider longer to handle the 350.00 a year from now. IF... I have to pay 750.00 just to get processing going, I will. I think Epoch, CCBill, and iBill realize this. Everyone else who CANNOT PAY (and mind you, who really CAN'T under NO CIRCUMSTANCES) is not going to make a really good profit in the long run anyway... Mind you, this is my theory and may be disproved with time, and under no circumstances should this be taken as fact. I THINK (also, just a theory) that Epoch, iBill, and CCBill banded together on this one to promote thier own PROFIT MARGIN. Otherwise it would not have been a JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT. They needed solidarity on this issue to make it work profitably for them. What I also know... I have NEVER READ ANYTHING BAD ABOUT GloBill. I cannot say the same for the other companies. In fact, thier baseless threats of HAVING to come back, innuendos of sueing small webmasters (no offence to anyone on the board) for SLANDER in speaking thier OPINIONS is reprehensible, poor relations, and just poopy. Last edited by RATBOY; 10-02-2002 at 06:28 PM..

10-02-2002, 06:29 PM	#41
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	__________________ Last edited by Va2k; 10-02-2002 at 06:32 PM..

10-02-2002, 06:30 PM	#42
DatsMyStapler Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 125	RatBoy Collins __________________ SexyListX.com

10-02-2002, 06:34 PM	#43
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	This is my view on Globill. We have used them as a secondary processor for just over 12 months now. They have a fantastic chargeback policy with a warning page that is in my opinion out of this world and i am surprised other processors haven't copied it. I think in all that time we have called Globill just once about a password problem. I think these guys are 100% and would not BS just to get more accounts in the short term. Since this all blew up i have written to my other two processors telling them that we are putting Globill as our prime processor on all our sites. Ibill are so useless that we even dropped their Rev share program in favor of Epochs. Since we did that our calls to their support department have gone from 5 times a day to almost Zero saving us hours or unnecessary work each week? I agree with the guys that say the chargeback issue is our ( Adult Webmasters ) main problem. If you don't have a processor that will stand up to these fraudulent claims from members that are just out to fuck the webmaster, then you are fucked from the start. We have our own Merchant account and will be using that in future. But now i hear that Visa, Mastercard charge an arm and a leg to anyone in the adult industry who want to open an account with them for on-line transactions. There is a company that we are going to try called XChargeBacks who deal with prepaid billing hence the name X or no chargebacks. Anyone heard anything good or bad about them. At the end of the day most adult webmasters are so resourceful that they will come up with a way around this shit !!!

10-02-2002, 06:39 PM	#44
Robert Ask me about negative cash flow Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 533	glo-bill rocks! .. that's why we use them @ teenscontent.com __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

10-02-2002, 06:43 PM	#46
erotictrance Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 328	Nah ... I don't believe it. Only time will tell, of course, but I wouldn't be surprized if this was just a Globill marketing ploy ... __________________ erotictrance Last edited by erotictrance; 10-02-2002 at 06:45 PM..

10-02-2002, 06:43 PM	#47
[H] So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 103	I agree. This stinks of a profit deal between IBill, Epoch, & CCBill. Globill is shining.