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Old 11-17-2008, 07:22 PM   #101
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:25 PM   #102
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:31 PM   #103
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I have to admit you have great style with your music posts. I love reading a thread to a song I havent heard in a while. Keep it up.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:40 PM   #104
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you miss the point you stupid bastard, i am OPEN, i do not dare say one is right or the other, i do believe athiests are wrong. fuck i know all kinds of catholics, dated a muslim, would love to tap a nigga.

dont assume shit i believe or i will knock u the fuck out.

i am going to expierience something new, i am all about alternative thinking. not trying to say it is 100% real. open your mind.

i do not believe is ghosts fairies or elves. man open up your brain. i dare you to sit down with me you live close to me and i am around your age. ill help you nerds get chicks and we can have a real convo and you will change your opinion about me asap.
i wasnt talking about you, i was talking about the nut in the video
i dont know you enough but judging from your manic reply id say you have one or two screws loose as well
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:47 PM   #105
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If you do not believe in anything you stand for nothing.
I do not believe this.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:51 PM   #106
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What kind of tool believes in no God?

look around you, do you think that no greater power created the universe? how brilliant and insanely intertwined the entire universe is?
Just because the universe is very complex does not mean there is a mythical white bearded man that created it. This isn't even logic. It's an assumption.

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just because you have a belief does not mean you have to belong to an organized religion,
Sure. But it also means you invent your own religion this way. If every person did this, there could be 6 billion different versions that 'explain' our existence and our so called creator. Some people worship in a singular God, some people believe there are dozens of them. Some people think it's the Sun or it's a cow. Some people think there is this mysterious God that never shows himself to us, some people think he comes into our dreams, and even shows up on toast bread. Since they can't all be correct at the same time, it's all just a fantasy.

You absolutely are entitled to have your own fantasy, as much as the next guy.


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you are human, you are worthless, you do not matter in the grand scheme of things you only matter in the fact that you are connected and apart of a bigger picture in which your ego will not even let you understand until you make an attempt to let go of almost everything you were once taught and approach thinking with the fact that you truly know nothing.
Not true. Humans are the only intelligent creatures on Earth, out of millions of species. Our brains are very capable. We live in a time where technology and science is advancing faster than ever before. We have not even come close to reaching our limits. It could not have happened without the contributions of individual people. We do matter.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:59 PM   #107
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:10 PM   #108
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I'm not trying to call anything a god of *. You are missing the point with that. What the goal is, is to possibly answer questions of what natural forces can do the work of God. By a modern basic definition, God is the creator of everything in the Universe. So the only godlike attribute we should discuss, is creation.

The creation of the Universe has quite a few different theories and it is all but impossible to know which one, if any, is correct. So, we have to look for patterns in observable creation and try to build from that.

Gravity creates stars in nebula clouds and planets from debris rings in the cosmos. Electricity sparks simple life in primordial soup experiments. Sure, gravity and electromagnetism are just natural forces, but they are creative forces that produce can life.

Then again, the whole Universe could be inside of some alien's SimUniverse game, and no we aren't going to call him the 'God of Nintendo'.

We can never be too sure about the biiiig picture. But we can try to whittle away at the unknown with repeating patterns in enviroments that are known.
You've just described an atheist position. And you didn't answer the question.
The question was "How and why would it advance or augment our understanding of the universe to call electromagnetism or gravity god rather than plain old "vanilla" electricity or gravity."
Finding out what "natural forces" created the universe is the raison d'être of the scientific method. You can do that without calling anything God or redefining Him. You just point at something, ask "Why" and apply the scientific method to try and find out. We found out that gravity creates stars and electricity can spark life without calling those forces "god". My bowels "create" shit but we didn't have to call our assholes god to find that out. Science, with it's heavy leaning on experimentation doesn't even require there to be a initial guiding question to generate a serendipitous discovery. We didn't have to call mercury a "god" to discover it helped create photographic images.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:30 PM   #109
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i wasnt talking about you, i was talking about the nut in the video
i dont know you enough but judging from your manic reply id say you have one or two screws loose as well
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:45 PM   #110
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You've just described an atheist position.
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Then again, the whole Universe could be inside of some alien's SimUniverse game, and no we aren't going to call him the 'God of Nintendo'.

We can never be too sure about the biiiig picture. But we can try to whittle away at the unknown with repeating patterns in enviroments that are known.
I did not describe Atheism here.

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And you didn't answer the question.
The question was "How and why would it advance or augment our understanding of the universe to call electromagnetism or gravity god rather than plain old "vanilla" electricity or gravity."
The question is silly and lacking a '?', but the answer is 'it makes no difference'.

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Finding out what "natural forces" created the universe is the raison d'être of the scientific method. You can do that without calling anything God or redefining Him. You just point at something, ask "Why" and apply the scientific method to try and find out. We found out that gravity creates stars and electricity can spark life without calling those forces "god". My bowels "create" shit but we didn't have to call our assholes god to find that out. Science, with it's heavy leaning on experimentation doesn't even require there to be a initial guiding question to generate a serendipitous discovery. We didn't have to call mercury a "god" to discover it helped create photographic images.
An Atheist wanting to inject god into everything. That's an unforeseen twist.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:45 PM   #111
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:54 PM   #112
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I have to admit you have great style with your music posts. I love reading a thread to a song I havent heard in a while. Keep it up.
wow, thanks man. I'm not the best "talker".



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Old 11-17-2008, 08:56 PM   #113
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:20 PM   #114
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I did not describe Atheism here.
Yes you did. "What the goal is, is to possibly answer questions of what natural forces can do the work of God." is about as atheistic statement as I can imagine only a couple of notches down the list after "I don't believe in a supernatural god or being".
So you did in the majority of your post that I obviously referred to, and even in the bit you've singled out thinking it's contrarian isn't against an atheistic stance. Atheism is lack of a belief in a god. A sufficiently advanced alien being with planet creation tools million of years technologically more advanced than us playing "real life Civ IV" is perfectly within the atheist worldview as long as they themselves weren't created by a supernatural god.

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The question is silly and lacking a '?', but the answer is 'it makes no difference'.
The question is designed to show the uselessness of your statements, ergo not silly, but efficient because you've just agreed with me. If it makes no difference than why spent 5 minutes babbling about electricity as a redefined god, an almighty force.



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An Atheist wanting to inject god into everything. That's an unforeseen twist.
Er.. In opposites land, where "injecting" means trying to remove, then yes you are correct. In.. uh.. this reality, any knowledge of the english language will read my statements as trying to show why your statement "interchange the idea 'God' with a sort of unified energy that holds the Universe together and makes things happen and also destroys those things. What if gravity, or electricity is the almighty energy that creates and destroys and holds the Universe together?" is useless and at best superfluous.
Have you not been able to comprehend the several times I've asked what the point of doing that actually is? I'm using your definition of god. I'm quoting you. I don't mean a guy with a beard. I'm saying there isn't a difference between the thought process that makes a caveman point at lightning and call it a thunder god, and you pointing at electromagnetism and calling it an "almighty force" of "creation". I don't mean that you think it's a god. I SPECIFICALLY said that. That you wouldn't pray every time you turned on your tv. I said that it was an empty thought game and implied that it neither advances or augments our understanding of the universe.

Given it's only useful when the discussion is of a level where the participants understand each other, and given you aren't grasping these quite obvious arguments, even to rebut them, there isn't much point continuing with you.
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:38 PM   #115
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man i apologize to the gfy faithful i have tooken a break from responding i have been away 2night, i shall look through tom.

i am to lazy to quote and find but to do with time and how infinite does make sense....

imagine re-incarntion on how when your die it is the next step to becomining fully divine, so maybe when you die it is the beginning and being born is the end,


i hope that tries to explain the infitite of time as best i can
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Old 11-18-2008, 07:31 AM   #116
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Life is too short?

It's the longest fucking thing you'll ever do, shit for brains.
LOL are you trying to prove my point?

It IS the longest thing we are in for and the biggest therefore using too much time discussion with morons on a fukcing messageboards qaulify as a waste of life, since I dont enjoy it as much as fooling around with my GF, wathcing movies and drinking bears.
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