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UnseenWorld · 12-11-2002, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by kBizzle
[BIt's such an oxymoron..."a nice guy that shoots BDSM" [/B]

For most practitioners, BDSM is play acting. It's cowboys and indians. This is what the authorities, the lawmakers, and the public never seems to "get."

Personally, I think BDSM is childish and ridiculous, but as long as it's consensual, I have no more objection to it than I would to an obsession with chess or paintball wars.

LAJ · 12-11-2002, 11:32 AM

YNOTBob and myself are getting Steve Sweet on as a special guest today on the YNOTBob Humpday Lunch radio show. Might even be able to get his lawyer on as well. It'll be great to hear his side of the story... check it out today at noon pacific time at http://www.albumside.com

Brent · 12-11-2002, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

The law is NOT cut and dried, a LOT is left to the interpretation of the courts, and therein lies the pitfalls. You have to keep your nose pretty squeaky clean and maybe you can get away with a little more... but these guys are likely going to go down very hard, and the reprecussions will be felt in the entire adult industry, not just Canada.

These guys broke FEDERAL laws first, Provincial Laws second. It wouldn't surprise me if this were taken to a federal level to ensure maximum penalties. It's going to be ugly all around, and it's DEFINITELY a bad reflection on the adult entertainment industry as a whole. Just what we all need! Ugh!

remember you can get away with allot in this country. Canada is a haven for criminals.

if Sweets lose, i predict fines and thats it.Obscenity laws are difficult to enforce here.

you can do murder in this country and be out of jail in an amount of years that can be counted on my hands.

Fletch XXX · 12-11-2002, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Personally, I think BDSM is childish and ridiculous

Wow.

This is why most content providers shoot shit content.

No value for the fetish, only dollar signs $$$

Real bondage is not childish or ridiculous, funny coming from a content provider.

AaronM · 12-11-2002, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman
Brad, I'm just jerking your chain.

But if I were you, I'd pack up shop there. Shit like this has a tendancy to spread. Either that, or just make Greg the scapegoat!

LMAO

UnseenWorld · 12-11-2002, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Wow.

This is why most content providers shoot shit content.

No value for the fetish, only dollar signs $$$

Real bondage is not childish or ridiculous, funny coming from a content provider.

Most fetishes appear ridiculous to people outside them. In that regard, big boobs, heels & hose, BDSM, and infantilism are all on a level playing field. And, yeah, I stick with content I understand. You're right in that regard.

GonZo · 12-11-2002, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Peaches

We just wanted to make sure you didn't spend the rest of the day worried that you'd had a little too much to drink and hung out with 2 guys in a sex studio in Canada. Especially when one owns a sex toy company

Would you call it Sweet Peaches?

Peaches · 12-11-2002, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by GonZo

Would you call it Sweet Peaches?

It would be a bukkake series with whining and hanging on to everyone, and we'd call it "Cling Peaches in Sweet Syrup"

BradShaw · 12-11-2002, 12:43 PM

I would think that a legal fight of this magnitude you are talking big bucks, $200k+. Do the sweets have this kind of $, or will they run to Amsterdam? Wonder if they are having their passports held?

I think Steve has been irresponsible, and basically given the law the middle finger for some time now. Nomrally I could care a less, but this will bring the entire porn industry in Vancouver area under the microscope, which is NEVER a good thing.

I am hopping on a plane up there in a few hours, I hear this story is ALL over the news and papers and the media field day has only begun.

TheGoldenChild · 12-11-2002, 12:50 PM

Steve Sweet is on YNOT BOB's Show

That's funny I can't think of better place to go hide bullshit about this case today. weeding through the BS on this show should be pretty interesting...since most of the show itself is not steeped in any webmaster information that is pertinent just people's opinions,and plagiarism.

Why is it that YNOT comes to the aid of everyone that pushes obscenity? Do they dole out huge amounts of money to fight the GOOD FIGHT?

MIke Jones- Did YNOT pay for your assistance in your legal woes?
I thought FM came to your aid......

Max Hardcore? They seemed to cover that issue very closely as well as i have seen him at their events.

Frankies Angels........a person who has a smoking weed site as well as a teeny site...

Then I read about Steve from Lightspeed University ( a big fan of YNOT ) on Luke Ford or something supporting kiddie porn sites (which is untrue)
they may have some keywrods that are questionable...however

I guess what my real question here is why are the guys who are supposed to be cleaning up the business and making sure everyone is clean getting their hands dirty with so many of these people?

Are they media whores? for the underdog? or just plain in the dark about who to associate with and who not to associate with?

It's all interesting fodder and I would welcome someone else's take on this as well....

Being that I worked, represented , and help sell YNOT off I do care about the integrity of the site...for Christ sake I still get paid on it monthly ( bad deal)

But PLEASE don't put yourselves on soap boxes as the credible webmaster destination if you are not financially giving back or helpiong...

Press and radio shows don't help this situation it ONLY harms it.

Kimmykim · 12-11-2002, 12:59 PM

KB, why on earth do you refer to Lightspeed in pretty much every post you've made on the subject?

I don't see the relevance of what Steve does compared to what the Sweets do -- Lightspeed isn't in Canada, they don't have fetish sites, they most likely have cleared what they do shoot with their attorney, so your parallel is more like a perpendicular line...

And as for some people comments on the Sweets situation, there's a saying my granny has, it goes like this -- 'there but for the grace of God go I'...

Other companies in this industry have come under fire for various reasons, big US government bodies have come after them, the cc companies are cracking down on everyone due to some people's actions, shit happens. There is a reason this business is called high risk, and if you can't stomach it then get out.

The hypocrisy is just too fucking funny.

PaulSweet · 12-11-2002, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Pipecrew
hahahahah earlier today Paul Sweet was saying "I dont plan on retiring anytime soon" well think again

Pipe-Squeek you're working hard at being a smart ass again.

I don't plan on retiring anytime soon! And that has nothing to do with Sweet.

PaulSweet · 12-11-2002, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Pipecrew
Have you guys ever seen a picture of Paul Sweet? That guy wouldnt last 15 seconds in prison..... If he hasnt hung himself already I'd be surprised

Dood I could beat you down in 5 mins! haha

BradShaw · 12-11-2002, 01:14 PM

I for once agree with KB. He is actually making alot of sense today!

People who stick their necks out too far, eventually get it chopped off. I am sure Sweets are just the first to run into some legal problems. Lightspeed does what they do with the pigtails, and such.

I am not passing judgment, but I would imagine it could cause them some problems in the future. I know our lawyer says no pig tails, no portraying models to look under 18, even if they are 80.

MrPopup · 12-11-2002, 01:14 PM

If they've seized all their computers, I wonder what else will be found on those machines....

hopefully all the SWEET computers have licensed software....

PaulSweet · 12-11-2002, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by SABAI
it funny to see how some people are really quick to jump on the sweet's ass and comment on them and when in front of them at the conventions pat them on the back saying "we are buddys"

Exactly - its really funny to see all the shit coming out of peoples mouths now.

PaulSweet · 12-11-2002, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

plain jane hardcore porn is broadcast over the TV airwaves in canada - thus no worried about the community standards there.

Exactly.....

MrPopup · 12-11-2002, 01:18 PM

Paul,

You should probably talk to your lawyer before continuing to use this forum as a platform to voice your opinions about this matter.

If the police are smart, they'll be searching forums like this, and you'll be accountable for everything that is said...

MrPopup · 12-11-2002, 01:21 PM

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plain jane hardcore porn is broadcast over the TV airwaves in canada - thus no worried about the community standards there.

What the Sweet Entertainment Group produces and what is allowed by the CRTC (our FTC) are not in anywhere near the same ballpark.

Kimmykim · 12-11-2002, 01:23 PM

Interesting how different US states define obscenity. Some are strictly Miller test, like Arizona. Some are not, like Kentucky, Texas and Mississippi are quite concerned with distribution of obscene materials. Some, like Montana and New Mexico don't have any obscenity laws.

http://www.moralityinmedia.org/nolc/...tutesIndex.htm

Brent · 12-11-2002, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Lensman
Oh shit, here come the Vancouver Cops to jump on GFY. We better take down that "The Good Stuff is in Vancouver" banner.

PaulSweet · 12-11-2002, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear
PRESS RELEASE: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Mr. Steve Sweet, President of Sweet Entertainment Group (SEG), and 3 other principals of the Corporation were charged on December 6, 2002 with 6 counts of obscenity based on 3 specific videos from the SadoSlaves.com Library.

SEG has not been charged with any criminal offense. Mr. Sweet has not been detained in this matter.

The Crown has alleged that Lexa Lords, Naughty Nikki and Mistress Twilight sadoslaves.com video episodes are obscene pursuant to s. 163 of the Criminal Code of Canada. Three counts allege that the accused "did make, distribute and circulate an obscene video" and three counts allege "did have in their possession for the purpose of publication, distribution and circulation, an obscene video."

It appears that the Crown is concentrating its efforts on the BDSM subculture by alleging that the material in question combines explicit sex with violence or torture or that the material is degrading and dehumanizing. The Crown has not to date provided particulars of what segment of the videos it regards as being obscene.

The charges stem from Vancouver Police Department raids on the premises of Sweet Entertainment Group that occurred on March 13, 2002 and second raid that occurred November 7, 2002.

A number of pre-charge applications and motions to Court have already been successfully brought by SEG resulting in Orders from both the Supreme Court of British Columbia and the Provincial Court of British Columbia for the return of SEG property.

The most recent decision from the Supreme Court of Canada regarding obscenity is a 1992 decision Regina v. Butler. Much has changed in the past 10 years, with the explosion of the Internet, the commercial availability of BDSM type content and the shift of community standards this past decade. Mr. Sweet has indicated that SEG will vigorously defend the charges. The case is far from trial and many matters remain to be dealt with. Of course, should the matter reach trial constitutional arguments regarding Freedom of Speech under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms will be at the forefront of what will likely prove to be a precedent setting case.

The maximum penalty under Canadian law for this offence is 2 years. A conviction generally results in a fine.

SEG will continue to provide cutting edge content to its many customers and carry on its operations as it rises to meet this legal challenge.

P. G. Kent-Snowsell, B.A. , LL.B.
Head of Legal Affairs
Sweet Entertainment Group

Everyone please read this again. There are NO....let me repeat that N O rape charges.

Also there are No....N O charges for
- fisting
-pissing
- degradation

There are 2 charges on 3 scenes in our BDSM feed SadoSlaves. Each of those scenes involves Needles/piercings on the girls.

None of our content features Rape or girls being held against their will - besides the fact that they are tied up. Lets go over that again. No Rape. No rape is depicted.

There is no dialogue of a girl begging to be let go, they never say "NO" - in all our footage this is true. In the BDSM footage they cry and scream. Thats in the script. Most of the "torture" devices are fake - just like Bangbus...its a script. The electric cattle prod is a toy, the wax candles are made of the same wax ladies use to wax their legs, etc.....the fact that people are shocked by it is the point. Its just like when you go to a movie and you believe that someone is bruised or injured. THey aren't really.

You don't have to like BDSM. But BDSM has existed for a very, very long time, well before people used a term like "porn" and respresents a lifestyle between two CONSENTING adults. There are safe words involved so people no when the line is being crossed. Do some research on BDSM if you know nothing on it but feel the need to babble on unfettered.

Thats our stance and we believe in it. And we're going to fight for that right in court if need be.

Fletch XXX · 12-11-2002, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by PaulSweet

Thats our stance and we believe in it. And we're going to fight for that right in court if need be.

If what you say above is true, then you are 100% correct.

Fantasy is legal.

Fight it.

[illnet]-Romeo · 12-11-2002, 01:36 PM

I can't believe the amount of bullshit posts on this thread. Ya the Sweets pushed the envelope, but hey we all take risks in this biz every day. It's the people who take the risks in the first place to pave the way. No doubt the Sweets will prevail and have probably already been well prepared for this day.

Paul tell Steve and Jamie I wish them the best of luck.

MrPopup · 12-11-2002, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by PaulSweet

Do some research on BDSM if you know nothing on it but feel the need to babble on unfettered.

Thats our stance and we believe in it. And we're going to fight for that right in court if need be.

And you're going to lose.

Arguing that community standards need to be changed won't get you anywhere except into the poor house. Enjoy the 5 year supreme court battle.

Sweet's defense is that community standards have changed. He's all over the map on what his defense actually is....and the fact that he is claiming to continue to produce work in Amsterdam will win him no support - isnt the same place that allows kiddie porn?

Sweet produces content that is illegal in British Columbia. This is the jurisdiction in which they operate a business. The police have the SWEET computers. They have all the evidence they need.

PaulSweet · 12-11-2002, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by MrPopup
Paul,

You should probably talk to your lawyer before continuing to use this forum as a platform to voice your opinions about this matter.

If the police are smart, they'll be searching forums like this, and you'll be accountable for everything that is said...

Of course your are right and I have spoke to our inhouse lawyer several times a day.

TheGoldenChild · 12-11-2002, 02:02 PM

Hey KK And HOW MANY posts would that have been?

ONE?

I have never posted on this topic before and never said a word about it...

I WAS however unmistakenly accused of talking to Luke abuot this subject a few weeks ago and it was NOT I who said that to him.

So I took it upon myself to get educated - I mean if I am going to be accused by the boys at Lightspeed that I spoke to Luke and to shut up- you'd think I'd get a phone call from them

I did not...just two people conveying that I needed to shut my mouth.

Well, I did my due diligence and was SHOWN by people a listing of keywords they had USED in the past

Am I lying KK?

Hey I never accused anyone of right or wrong - i am making a point about "skeletons" and an association with a certain web company that is touted as the "Do Gooders" of the industry that'all.

Is it MY FAULT that someone casted suspicion over their heads?

iwantchixx · 12-11-2002, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]

Exactly.

It might just be a frustrated girl that claims she got raped to get $$... but then again, if everything was 100% clean, would the police stop right there?

money is not a motive, in Canada you can't just sue someone for money...

Kimmykim · 12-11-2002, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by kBizzle
Hey KK And HOW MANY posts would that have been?

ONE?

You don't need your toes for this one KB. Out of three posts, you referenced it twice, including the second one that I commented on.

As for your potential relationship with Luke Ford, that's between you and Luke. I didn't see anyone bring that up or anything about Lightspeed before you did.

Perhaps you have skeletons in your closet, I don't know.

Bottom line is stick to the subject at hand. You've always been a nice guy, why you're going off about things that aren't part of the subject is just beyond me.

iwantchixx · 12-11-2002, 02:35 PM

This thread is making me wonder why everyone in Vancouver is worried about their own biz. If you have nothing to hide then why are you folks worrying? SO long as you pay your taxes, go by the books, keep your content legal then whats the big worry? I'm starting to think that some people have something to hide. Putting our biz's under a microscope would be the best thing to happen. It keeps the sick fucks out of the game. If the juristiction and law is too lax on the adult industry too many freaks producing rape and CP will get away with their activities. So I say let em come down on us all, the honest law abiding companies will prevail and we will see all the idiots producing illegal content go down the drain and join a cell with horny Bubba.

Peaches · 12-11-2002, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx
This thread is making me wonder why everyone in Vancouver is worried about their own biz. If you have nothing to hide then why are you folks worrying? SO long as you pay your taxes, go by the books, keep your content legal then whats the big worry? I'm starting to think that some people have something to hide. Putting our biz's under a microscope would be the best thing to happen. It keeps the sick fucks out of the game. If the juristiction and law is too lax on the adult industry too many freaks producing rape and CP will get away with their activities. So I say let em come down on us all, the honest law abiding companies will prevail and we will see all the idiots producing illegal content go down the drain and join a cell with horny Bubba.

Unfortunately, it can cost a LOT of money to prove your innocence.

Dugmor · 12-11-2002, 02:45 PM

I posted in its own thread, maybe this is a more better place !

MrPopup · 12-11-2002, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx
This thread is making me wonder why everyone in Vancouver is worried about their own biz. If you have nothing to hide then why are you folks worrying? SO long as you pay your taxes, go by the books, keep your content legal then whats the big worry? I'm starting to think that some people have something to hide. Putting our biz's under a microscope would be the best thing to happen. It keeps the sick fucks out of the game. If the juristiction and law is too lax on the adult industry too many freaks producing rape and CP will get away with their activities. So I say let em come down on us all, the honest law abiding companies will prevail and we will see all the idiots producing illegal content go down the drain and join a cell with horny Bubba.

You are 100% correct. The business will withstand some scrutiny, it obviously clears out the bad apples.

iwantchixx · 12-11-2002, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Peaches

Unfortunately, it can cost a LOT of money to prove your innocence.

yes and no, if you are legit and go by the books nobody will come down on you right? It's only when you are hiding something or when you go past the boundaries that you get scrutenized

UnseenWorld · 12-11-2002, 03:18 PM

I find the law against "degradation" (or "humiliation"...whatever) ironic, since it's degrading AND humiliating, I'm sure, for citizens within the jurisdiction to need the government to tell them how to think, feel, and act in situations which are consensual.

Kimmykim · 12-11-2002, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx

yes and no, if you are legit and go by the books nobody will come down on you right? It's only when you are hiding something or when you go past the boundaries that you get scrutenized

No and no. Law enforcement, which has a bare bones understanding of the internet at best in most cases, has a shoot first, ask questions later attitude. Not to mention the fact that any time pornographers get into trouble -- whether they are guilty or not -- it makes headlines, which is just as important to law enforcement and politicians as anything else.

UnseenWorld · 12-11-2002, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx

yes and no, if you are legit and go by the books nobody will come down on you right? It's only when you are hiding something or when you go past the boundaries that you get scrutenized

Apparently, you're unaware of how destructive merely being INVESTIGATED can be: Just about anything related to your business will be taken away for at least a year (there goes all of your business and your business contacts), your hard drives will be taken out and micro-examined for any kind of evidence. If you have negatives, they will not be handled by people who are being careful not to damage them. Stuff frequently gets "lost." And then when they hand a pile of devalued or useless junk back to you with the remark, "I guess you're okay after all" (if indeed they don't find SOMETHING to hit you with), you are back to square one and a lot of your former business associates may shun you.

J.R. · 12-11-2002, 03:44 PM

Hey KB...

Why bring Frankies Angels and his so called Teen site
into this thread ?

It has nothing to do with any of this, not to mention a weed site.

Unless there is a specific reason, this is a CHEAP shot!

SNOW · 12-11-2002, 04:24 PM

Everyone is jumping the gun as usual. Let it fucking go and let them handle it. They have been around a long time and I'm sure they will clear it up. Remember when buttman got hit for obsenity charges cause they distributed the wrong european version video tapes that had fisting in the US. Well he won it. This is just news material for the MEDIA TO WHORE. The canadian media is becoming more and more like the US. All about the dollar and show ratings. Ratings =Viewers=$$$. The Media blows everything up.

Let it fucking go..

TheGoldenChild · 12-11-2002, 04:24 PM

JR if you read the thread I was making a comment as to why YNOT is always the crusader and sticking their necks out to help these people who are always in trouble.

IE. Frankies Angels, CD babes, the Sweet's, Max Hardcore, etc.......

the reason I bring WEED into play is two fold- one not only does my cousin own a site like this but so does porn kings...

I told my cousin a long time ago it would bring heat, and to protect himself or take it down.

I have worked for enough companies who KNOW what's up when it comes to pushing boundaries

I just feel that everyone must be fair warned- because FEDS are checking it out , don't believe for a minute that they are not.

SNOW · 12-11-2002, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by kBizzle

I just feel that everyone must be fair warned- because FEDS are checking it out , don't believe for a minute that they are not.

I agree you have to cover your ass, but the bigger you become the harder it gets. There are too many ways to make mistakes in this biz. And at some poiint everyone who is a player or has been here long will fuck up eventually. It happns to everyone.

Manny The Freak · 12-11-2002, 04:47 PM

I went to Sweet's office the other day man I find this very hard to believe it just is not true. Man I have seen his stuff it is very good and in no way degrading. Sweet if you guys want me to put a good word in call I will be there. I have seen things that will make anyone puke "cocktails" extreme productions for example and it found here in Vancouver. I guess it went through because that is Extreme. Man Sweet is tame very TAME compared to what is on the market.

JadeMarxxx · 12-11-2002, 04:53 PM

Thanks JR, I was curious why KB was bringing us into this myself, and we've never put up a "weed" site...he doesn't really make any sense. Our "teeny" site is doing just fine though, and still completely legal, in case he was wondering about that. See ya!

J.R. · 12-11-2002, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by kBizzle
JR if you read the thread I was making a comment as to why YNOT is always the crusader and sticking their necks out to help these people who are always in trouble.

IE. Frankies Angels, CD babes, the Sweet's, Max Hardcore, etc.......

the reason I bring WEED into play is two fold- one not only does my cousin own a site like this but so does porn kings...

I told my cousin a long time ago it would bring heat, and to protect himself or take it down.

I have worked for enough companies who KNOW what's up when it comes to pushing boundaries

I just feel that everyone must be fair warned- because FEDS are checking it out , don't believe for a minute that they are not.

Fair enough.. thanks for the 411/

TheGoldenChild · 12-11-2002, 04:59 PM

Jade Dear,

"I was curious why KB was bringing us into this myself, and we've never put up a "weed" site...he doesn't really make any sense. "

I guess it made no sense that Bruce (RIP) and Adam both told me they were sharing CONTENT THAT YOU WERE SHOOTING FOR HERBAL HO?"

Maybe ya didn't put it up, but it doesn't mean you didn't shoot it...

I still have a copy of a video where Frankie asks all the girls sitting around a Hookah what their real names are and what they were doing........

I can't imagine how someone like that could possibly get in any trouble.......ROFLMAO!

So what's the revised story Jade?

Did you shoot smoking weed content in the US with REAL weed?

Let's see who makes sense now.........

Robbie · 12-11-2002, 05:03 PM

Always remember...the police and the government always arrest you and take all your shit first. Then afterwards when it turns out nothing was wrong you're still screwed. Equipment damaged, reputation hurt. And by reputation I don't mean are the Sweets good guys to hang out with. I mean most webmasters are gonna see this and pull their traffic from Sweet which sucks for them.
As far as people wondering if they really raped or tortured any of the girls.....I seriously doubt it. They make way too much money to not have model releases. And if any of you have ever shot content before you know that the girls are in it to get paid. Most of them are strippers (at least all the ones I shot pics of). As far as the "storyline" of Sweet's content...I hear everyone voicing their opinion about whether they are degrading, humiliating, or implying a "rape" scenario (which by the way they don't, but they do make it look like the girl isn't liking it...which I have no problem with, hell I love it when my old lady tells me "It hurts" heh-heh). Personally I think the whole thing is ridiculous. That would be like the police arresting Sylvester Stallone for "killing" so many people in his Rambo films! Think about it, T.V. and movies depict graphic rape scenes but you don't see them getting arrested! The reality is the authorities there just don't like having a big porn company based there and are trying to make them close down. Personally I would pack my shit and leave. There are plenty of nicer places to live...no offense to you people from Vancouver. But if I were the Sweets I'd get out of there and move to Vegas or L.A.
Anyway, what happened to them can happen to any of us anytime the govt. decides to fuck you.

PaulSweet · 12-11-2002, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
I would think that a legal fight of this magnitude you are talking big bucks, $200k+. Do the sweets have this kind of $, or will they run to Amsterdam? Wonder if they are having their passports held?

I think Steve has been irresponsible, and basically given the law the middle finger for some time now. Nomrally I could care a less, but this will bring the entire porn industry in Vancouver area under the microscope, which is NEVER a good thing.

I am hopping on a plane up there in a few hours, I hear this story is ALL over the news and papers and the media field day has only begun.

Brad if you feel so strongly why did you move your filming operations to Vancouver? And why did you do it after Sweet was being recognized for their success. Surely if you felt that Sweet was pushing the limits for some time and this was inevitable then as an astute businessman you would have backed off and relocated to another area - or not even have started filming here in the first place. Since you have felt this way for awhile you couldn't possibly have been clueless about the sort of content being produced here.

And if you are so good at making sure you never push any limits what are you worried about? Do you have anything to be worried about?

Or are you just on here bitching up a storm about Sweet because you're hoping for more exposure/traffic to your own sites?

If you had ongoing issues with Sweet you can always pick up the phone as well. You have Steve's tel# and you can call him anytime! Infact feel free to call him anytime - I'm sure he'd be happy to hear from you.

Jive · 12-11-2002, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by sextoyking
Damm Brad,

sad news for them. I didn't know they were into the real hard hard shit....

I thought Steve was cool, and always like Tom and his wife.

What happ. to Tom?

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Thats actually very said to here? I never made a penny from them
nor ever tried,but, still seeing there in my town and local..
I never like to here shit like that? I allways thought it would be
easier to run your bussiness outta canada other than the strict
laws outside this country unlike uncle sams back yard.. what a shame!

TheGoldenChild · 12-11-2002, 05:28 PM

Also am I missing something here?

When did Tom get married?

CDbabes · 12-11-2002, 05:35 PM

Hey KB! How the hell are you?

Jeeze! Give me a call since you seem to know more about our case than we do!

Yep! Sill here - Still in business - Still producing and marketing quality legal images - Still at the same phone number you always have called me at!

I see you are still exacting your revenge at Ynot every chance you get.

Look forward to hearing from you again soon!

12-11-2002, 11:32 AM	#202
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	YNOTBob and myself are getting Steve Sweet on as a special guest today on the YNOTBob Humpday Lunch radio show. Might even be able to get his lawyer on as well. It'll be great to hear his side of the story... check it out today at noon pacific time at http://www.albumside.com __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

12-11-2002, 12:43 PM	#209
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I would think that a legal fight of this magnitude you are talking big bucks, $200k+. Do the sweets have this kind of $, or will they run to Amsterdam? Wonder if they are having their passports held? I think Steve has been irresponsible, and basically given the law the middle finger for some time now. Nomrally I could care a less, but this will bring the entire porn industry in Vancouver area under the microscope, which is NEVER a good thing. I am hopping on a plane up there in a few hours, I hear this story is ALL over the news and papers and the media field day has only begun. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com Last edited by BradShaw; 12-11-2002 at 12:44 PM..

12-11-2002, 01:14 PM	#214
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I for once agree with KB. He is actually making alot of sense today! People who stick their necks out too far, eventually get it chopped off. I am sure Sweets are just the first to run into some legal problems. Lightspeed does what they do with the pigtails, and such. I am not passing judgment, but I would imagine it could cause them some problems in the future. I know our lawyer says no pig tails, no portraying models to look under 18, even if they are 80. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

12-11-2002, 01:36 PM	#224
[illnet]-Romeo Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl, USA Posts: 1,207	I can't believe the amount of bullshit posts on this thread. Ya the Sweets pushed the envelope, but hey we all take risks in this biz every day. It's the people who take the risks in the first place to pave the way. No doubt the Sweets will prevail and have probably already been well prepared for this day. Paul tell Steve and Jamie I wish them the best of luck. __________________ Brian C aka Romeo JBWebCash.com Brian at Jbwebcash.com

12-11-2002, 02:45 PM	#232
Dugmor The Traffic Cowboy Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: BP4L - Vice Prez Posts: 7,575	I posted in its own thread, maybe this is a more better place ! __________________ JesusEmpire - The Most Trusted OFM Marketing Service SMS Verification codes for 345 websites including: Tinder - Bumble - Twitter - TikTok - Instagram - Facebook

12-11-2002, 12:50 PM	#210
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Steve Sweet is on YNOT BOB's Show That's funny I can't think of better place to go hide bullshit about this case today. weeding through the BS on this show should be pretty interesting...since most of the show itself is not steeped in any webmaster information that is pertinent just people's opinions,and plagiarism. Why is it that YNOT comes to the aid of everyone that pushes obscenity? Do they dole out huge amounts of money to fight the GOOD FIGHT? MIke Jones- Did YNOT pay for your assistance in your legal woes? I thought FM came to your aid...... Max Hardcore? They seemed to cover that issue very closely as well as i have seen him at their events. Frankies Angels........a person who has a smoking weed site as well as a teeny site... Then I read about Steve from Lightspeed University ( a big fan of YNOT ) on Luke Ford or something supporting kiddie porn sites (which is untrue) they may have some keywrods that are questionable...however I guess what my real question here is why are the guys who are supposed to be cleaning up the business and making sure everyone is clean getting their hands dirty with so many of these people? Are they media whores? for the underdog? or just plain in the dark about who to associate with and who not to associate with? It's all interesting fodder and I would welcome someone else's take on this as well.... Being that I worked, represented , and help sell YNOT off I do care about the integrity of the site...for Christ sake I still get paid on it monthly ( bad deal) But PLEASE don't put yourselves on soap boxes as the credible webmaster destination if you are not financially giving back or helpiong... Press and radio shows don't help this situation it ONLY harms it.

12-11-2002, 12:59 PM	#211
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	KB, why on earth do you refer to Lightspeed in pretty much every post you've made on the subject? I don't see the relevance of what Steve does compared to what the Sweets do -- Lightspeed isn't in Canada, they don't have fetish sites, they most likely have cleared what they do shoot with their attorney, so your parallel is more like a perpendicular line... And as for some people comments on the Sweets situation, there's a saying my granny has, it goes like this -- 'there but for the grace of God go I'... Other companies in this industry have come under fire for various reasons, big US government bodies have come after them, the cc companies are cracking down on everyone due to some people's actions, shit happens. There is a reason this business is called high risk, and if you can't stomach it then get out. The hypocrisy is just too fucking funny.

12-11-2002, 01:14 PM	#215
MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	If they've seized all their computers, I wonder what else will be found on those machines.... hopefully all the SWEET computers have licensed software....

12-11-2002, 01:18 PM	#218
MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	Paul, You should probably talk to your lawyer before continuing to use this forum as a platform to voice your opinions about this matter. If the police are smart, they'll be searching forums like this, and you'll be accountable for everything that is said...

12-11-2002, 01:23 PM	#220
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Interesting how different US states define obscenity. Some are strictly Miller test, like Arizona. Some are not, like Kentucky, Texas and Mississippi are quite concerned with distribution of obscene materials. Some, like Montana and New Mexico don't have any obscenity laws. http://www.moralityinmedia.org/nolc/...tutesIndex.htm

12-11-2002, 02:02 PM	#227
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Hey KK And HOW MANY posts would that have been? ONE? I have never posted on this topic before and never said a word about it... I WAS however unmistakenly accused of talking to Luke abuot this subject a few weeks ago and it was NOT I who said that to him. So I took it upon myself to get educated - I mean if I am going to be accused by the boys at Lightspeed that I spoke to Luke and to shut up- you'd think I'd get a phone call from them I did not...just two people conveying that I needed to shut my mouth. Well, I did my due diligence and was SHOWN by people a listing of keywords they had USED in the past Am I lying KK? Hey I never accused anyone of right or wrong - i am making a point about "skeletons" and an association with a certain web company that is touted as the "Do Gooders" of the industry that'all. Is it MY FAULT that someone casted suspicion over their heads?

12-11-2002, 02:35 PM	#230
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	This thread is making me wonder why everyone in Vancouver is worried about their own biz. If you have nothing to hide then why are you folks worrying? SO long as you pay your taxes, go by the books, keep your content legal then whats the big worry? I'm starting to think that some people have something to hide. Putting our biz's under a microscope would be the best thing to happen. It keeps the sick fucks out of the game. If the juristiction and law is too lax on the adult industry too many freaks producing rape and CP will get away with their activities. So I say let em come down on us all, the honest law abiding companies will prevail and we will see all the idiots producing illegal content go down the drain and join a cell with horny Bubba.

12-11-2002, 03:18 PM	#235
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	I find the law against "degradation" (or "humiliation"...whatever) ironic, since it's degrading AND humiliating, I'm sure, for citizens within the jurisdiction to need the government to tell them how to think, feel, and act in situations which are consensual. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-11-2002, 03:44 PM	#238
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Hey KB... Why bring Frankies Angels and his so called Teen site into this thread ? It has nothing to do with any of this, not to mention a weed site. Unless there is a specific reason, this is a CHEAP shot!

12-11-2002, 04:24 PM	#239
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	Everyone is jumping the gun as usual. Let it fucking go and let them handle it. They have been around a long time and I'm sure they will clear it up. Remember when buttman got hit for obsenity charges cause they distributed the wrong european version video tapes that had fisting in the US. Well he won it. This is just news material for the MEDIA TO WHORE. The canadian media is becoming more and more like the US. All about the dollar and show ratings. Ratings =Viewers=$$$. The Media blows everything up. Let it fucking go..

12-11-2002, 04:24 PM	#240
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	JR if you read the thread I was making a comment as to why YNOT is always the crusader and sticking their necks out to help these people who are always in trouble. IE. Frankies Angels, CD babes, the Sweet's, Max Hardcore, etc....... the reason I bring WEED into play is two fold- one not only does my cousin own a site like this but so does porn kings... I told my cousin a long time ago it would bring heat, and to protect himself or take it down. I have worked for enough companies who KNOW what's up when it comes to pushing boundaries I just feel that everyone must be fair warned- because FEDS are checking it out , don't believe for a minute that they are not.

12-11-2002, 04:47 PM	#242
Manny The Freak Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Everywhere. Posts: 1,506	I went to Sweet's office the other day man I find this very hard to believe it just is not true. Man I have seen his stuff it is very good and in no way degrading. Sweet if you guys want me to put a good word in call I will be there. I have seen things that will make anyone puke "cocktails" extreme productions for example and it found here in Vancouver. I guess it went through because that is Extreme. Man Sweet is tame very TAME compared to what is on the market. __________________

12-11-2002, 04:53 PM	#243
JadeMarxxx Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 15	Thanks JR, I was curious why KB was bringing us into this myself, and we've never put up a "weed" site...he doesn't really make any sense. Our "teeny" site is doing just fine though, and still completely legal, in case he was wondering about that. See ya!

12-11-2002, 04:59 PM	#245
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Jade Dear, "I was curious why KB was bringing us into this myself, and we've never put up a "weed" site...he doesn't really make any sense. " I guess it made no sense that Bruce (RIP) and Adam both told me they were sharing CONTENT THAT YOU WERE SHOOTING FOR HERBAL HO?" Maybe ya didn't put it up, but it doesn't mean you didn't shoot it... I still have a copy of a video where Frankie asks all the girls sitting around a Hookah what their real names are and what they were doing........ I can't imagine how someone like that could possibly get in any trouble.......ROFLMAO! So what's the revised story Jade? Did you shoot smoking weed content in the US with REAL weed? Let's see who makes sense now.........

12-11-2002, 05:03 PM	#246
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Always remember...the police and the government always arrest you and take all your shit first. Then afterwards when it turns out nothing was wrong you're still screwed. Equipment damaged, reputation hurt. And by reputation I don't mean are the Sweets good guys to hang out with. I mean most webmasters are gonna see this and pull their traffic from Sweet which sucks for them. As far as people wondering if they really raped or tortured any of the girls.....I seriously doubt it. They make way too much money to not have model releases. And if any of you have ever shot content before you know that the girls are in it to get paid. Most of them are strippers (at least all the ones I shot pics of). As far as the "storyline" of Sweet's content...I hear everyone voicing their opinion about whether they are degrading, humiliating, or implying a "rape" scenario (which by the way they don't, but they do make it look like the girl isn't liking it...which I have no problem with, hell I love it when my old lady tells me "It hurts" heh-heh). Personally I think the whole thing is ridiculous. That would be like the police arresting Sylvester Stallone for "killing" so many people in his Rambo films! Think about it, T.V. and movies depict graphic rape scenes but you don't see them getting arrested! The reality is the authorities there just don't like having a big porn company based there and are trying to make them close down. Personally I would pack my shit and leave. There are plenty of nicer places to live...no offense to you people from Vancouver. But if I were the Sweets I'd get out of there and move to Vegas or L.A. Anyway, what happened to them can happen to any of us anytime the govt. decides to fuck you.

12-11-2002, 05:28 PM	#249
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Also am I missing something here? When did Tom get married?

12-11-2002, 05:35 PM	#250
CDbabes Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 5	Hey KB! How the hell are you? Jeeze! Give me a call since you seem to know more about our case than we do! Yep! Sill here - Still in business - Still producing and marketing quality legal images - Still at the same phone number you always have called me at! I see you are still exacting your revenge at Ynot every chance you get. Look forward to hearing from you again soon!