RUNDOWN of this board for you idiots: ie EscortBiz

[Barefootsies]

Hundie.

Originally Posted by seeric

but, as a long time poster i decided to NOT do the educational thing because i now choose to stay out of the spotlight and away from unnecessary trolling. it's just not possible to post here on ANY subject and not get trolled.

people just don't wanna deal with assholes anymore. it's counter productive. as far as the ignore thing, i don't really care to use it. that's my choice.

I have actually heard this remark from many quality people in the industry in private IM, as well as at conferences. They simply do not post on GFY/boards anymore because they are do not want the drama or being trolled. Even when they are program owners, or old timers of the online adult industry.

They admit to still reading most boards, but a lot of those 'old guys' who were around long ago stopped posting because you can't say anything without there being an angle, or a scam, or an edge, or a sales pitch to it. Whether there is or isn't.

Shap made the same comment himself tail end of last year. Not just on here, but on another board as well. Talking about how many of the BROgram owners and people who used to contribute and trying to help people stopped posting. There is no sense trying to help people if you are going to be endlessly bashed. I can't blame them.

Those people stopped posting for any number of reasons.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Ofcourse nobody is going to take you serious, your bullshit to business thread ratio is 15,000:1

It's never too late to change, but if you want people to start taking you serious again, start acting serious.

Fuken-A BINGO!

[Sly]

Am I the only one that is laughing over some of the shit in this thread? There are two or three different side conversations that are making me chuckle.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Sly

Am I the only one that is laughing over some of the shit in this thread? There are two or three different side conversations that are making me chuckle.

Not surprising in the least. Especially since you have admitted to enjoying the chaos and bedlam of old banned trolls and their antics as a form of 'entertainment'.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Dude, no offense, have you ever heard the saying "you reap what you sew"

I have been around long enough to remember when you actually posted normal and interesting shit. Somewhere along those lines, you went off the deep end and your last 15-20k posts are complete and utter garbage. I honestly wonder how someone even has the time to even come up with this shit, let alone post it.

Ofcourse nobody is going to take you serious, your bullshit to business thread ratio is 15,000:1

It's never too late to change, but if you want people to start taking you serious again, start acting serious.

no offense taken. i appreciate the honesty.

let be honest here for a second. there is a small group of GFY buddies who have been in the same circle for a while. and im sorry but if you are not one in this circle no matter who you are you are looked down upon no matter what you post do or say.

why should i worry if a certain clique likes me or not? this is not high school.

many people take me seriously, i can pinpoint the people who do not. because well they do not take anyone seriously outside their own group.

you people want me to make effort on my end when there is none from your end. maybe i will start to reach out if that is what it takes.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Not surprising in the least. Especially since you have admitted to enjoying the chaos and bedlam of old banned trolls and their antics as a form of 'entertainment'.

Yep. I ignore the people I don't like and read the people that make me laugh. Holly has me laughing my ass off.

You should try ignoring the people you don't like instead of running around after them all the time. Would add hours to your day.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

no offense taken. i appreciate the honesty.

let be honest here for a second. there is a small group of GFY buddies who have been in the same circle for a while. and im sorry but if you are not one in this circle no matter who you are you are looked down upon no matter what you post do or say.

why should i worry if a certain clique likes me or not? this is not high school.

many people take me seriously, i can pinpoint the people who do not. because well they do not take anyone seriously outside their own group.

you people want me to make effort on my end when there is none from your end. maybe i will start to reach out if that is what it takes.

Please pinpoint the people that take you seriously. For real. Who?

I find it entertaining at times. Your regular threads where you try to post advice... I have no idea what to think of those. Are they for real? Or are you just being a dolt?

That's what PC is sort of saying. And he has a point. You can't have it both ways.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Sly

Please pinpoint the people that take you seriously. For real. Who?

I find it entertaining at times. Your regular threads where you try to post advice... I have no idea what to think of those. Are they for real? Or are you just being a dolt?

That's what PC is sort of saying. And he has a point. You can't have it both ways.

i understand where he is coming from.

im not going to make a list because those people will be blue balled by the same people posting in this thread.

ill drop you a message on ICQ and say hello. and you can find out about me yourself.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Sly

You should try ignoring the people you don't like instead of running around after them all the time.

If I were you, I would take your own advice toots. Historically speaking.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Who gets to decide what is positive and what is negative on this board? i have talked to many people where in their opinion YOU have brought a negative essence to the board.

and just like you do not care i do not. we are grown men. should we worry about whos friends we impress? i think not. different groups of people are going to like different people differently.

every person from here i have talked to says they find my posts hilarious. so because you and a select few find my style trolling i should change?

im sorry Aaron but for years and years i saw YOU trolling hard on every single member of GFY except your closest buddies. just because YOUR BUDDIES do not like me i all of a sudden i am the one with the problem? when in reality it is most of YOUR BUDDIES who first threw my name into the mix AND many other members of GFY into the mix. this is where the term "bro club" came from. and then when i go defend myself and take the extra steps to do so i have the problem?

just because a few members do not get along with you or your buddies does not mean they are doing anything wrong. you do not run this place but you act like you are the president here. your title used to be "GFY PRESIDENT".

if you want to know what i do CONTACT ME. i am not a closed book. anyone who has made an effort to even say hello i have not turned away. you dont have to care but if you are not willing to take the extra effort then how am i to blame?

BUT my thought of you HAS changed and i think have been thinking wrong of you. maybe i did. after i saw how you helped Sleazy in all honestly my opinion changed of you. and if i did have a wrong opinion of you then i do apologize if you did in fact lose out on the un named deal. but in all honesty for years u bashed me so i never really found a reason to look into who you are further just as you are doing the same now.

i dont care about being popular. i am an honest webmaster. i am not here to impress a select few. that will never change about me.

You have some valid points. However, you also have some bullshit in that post.

My anger from you grew out of your replies about that "un named deal" and not just because I didn't like your sense of humor. Why would I take the time to hit you up with small talk about who you are or what you do when you represent yourself to me as an asshole? I think you're pretty damn funny at times but that's not the point nor does it mean that I want to be your friend and have tea and crumpets with you.

The GFY President thing was a complete joke. I never said I WAS President, it was a humorous campaign where I was supposed to be running for GFY Pres. As far as I know, GFY has never had a position with that title so how you or anybody else could have taken that seriously is way beyond my comprehension.

I certainly do have a checkered past here though and I will not dispute that. I've been here for going on 9 years and as nature would have it, people tend to mature a bit and change their views/actions over time. I'm not perfect and I never will be so I would have no place in expect that from anybody else. However, I think respecting those who support this forum is a reasonable request.

You're intelligent and witty. Why not put those qualities to better use?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

If I were you, I would take your own advice toots. Historically speaking.

I run around following people I don't like? Interesting. I'll keep an eye out for that.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by AaronM

You have some valid points. However, you also have some bullshit in that post.

My anger from you grew out of your replies about that "un named deal" and not just because I didn't like your sense of humor. Why would I take the time to hit you up with small talk about who you are or what you do when you represent yourself to me as an asshole? I think you're pretty damn funny at times but that's not the point nor does it mean that I want to be your friend and have tea and crumpets with you.

The GFY President thing was a complete joke. I never said I WAS President, it was a humorous campaign where I was supposed to be running for GFY Pres. As far as I know, GFY has never had a position with that title so how you or anybody else could have taken that seriously is way beyond my comprehension.

I certainly do have a checkered past here though and I will not dispute that. I've been here for going on 9 years and as nature would have it, people tend to mature a bit and change their views/actions over time. I'm not perfect and I never will be so I would have no place in expect that from anybody else. However, I think respecting those who support this forum is a reasonable request.

You're intelligent and witty. Why not put those qualities to better use?

Aaron i am running out to dinner then i will read over.

Do you have ICQ or email i can contact you on? ill say hello. we prob have alot in common. dont worry i dont want to be your best friend nor waste your time.

[luv$]

Never thought I'd see the day when everyone collectively just had enough of the bullshit that goes on around here.

This is awesome. I've got hope for the industry for the first time in a very, very long time.





Meta, you can't act like a complete fucking tool and then turn around and expect people to take you seriously. Especially when it's obvious from your "advice" threads that you really don't know what you're talking about.

No one is hating on you, because there is nothing you bring to the table that they covet. You've simply manufactured this persona because you care way too much about what people at GFY think and misunderstood the quality of the people you were trying to impress.

You need to turn off your mouth and open your ears bud.

[theking]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Disclaimer: escortbiz has to hide my name in one of his posts because he doesnt have the balls to quote me.

The thing that most of you idiots dont realize is the PERSONALITY of this board that has made it.

people like me, Amp, dark jedi, Franck, AaronM, Baddog, Sleazydream, Labret, headless, juicy, boneprone etc etc.

even though i think most of these people are complete idiots they at least have PERSONALITY. they stick to their guns! they have brought so much to this board over the years it is not even funny.

to all you whiners who want to ban this ban that. stop this stop that. you are trying to kill the very essence of this board. this essence is what makes this board entertaining and with this entertainment it brings VIEWS.

if there was no VIEWS your companies would stop getting the same exposure.

so next time an idiot like Escortbiz talks shit, just imagine if this board was filled with guys only just like him who just want to drop his link and not offer anything of real substance? OMG this place would be a deadzone!

I have been a member since 2002 and the only difference I see in the board is that it does not move as fast as it used to. There has always been some serious posters/business related...but mostly ignorant assholes/board whores/trolls...and you are all three of these.

[luv$]

Anyway, it's not really my style to kick a dog when it's down.

I admit it's gotten a lot easier to participate in the community lately - and I feel like this board is trying really hard to make things better. Still though, frequency brings with it temptations. I haven't bickered on the boards for some time and it has been fun - but ultimately unproductive.

So keep trying to defend your positions or gobble up that humble pie - idgaf.

[bushwacker]

Talk about a thread backfire...

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Sly

I run around following people I don't like? Interesting. I'll keep an eye out for that.

LMFAO.

Me too.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Me too.

[sextoyking]

Damm I actually agreed with something Aaron said?

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by sextoyking

Damm I actually agreed with something Aaron said?

Maybe there is hope for you yet.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by bushwacker

Talk about a thread backfire...

if you think it is hard to message a couple buddies on your ICQ list and have them post in a thread makes it a backfire that is your opinion.

If i msged the webmasters on my list to come back me up on a message board they would laugh at me.

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by luv$

Never thought I'd see the day when everyone collectively just had enough of the bullshit that goes on around here.

This is awesome. I've got hope for the industry for the first time in a very, very long time.





Meta, you can't act like a complete fucking tool and then turn around and expect people to take you seriously. Especially when it's obvious from your "advice" threads that you really don't know what you're talking about.

No one is hating on you, because there is nothing you bring to the table that they covet. You've simply manufactured this persona because you care way too much about what people at GFY think and misunderstood the quality of the people you were trying to impress.

You need to turn off your mouth and open your ears bud.

I like to think my suggestion to Eric for new rule has something to do with that cause im one of them who has had enough.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

if you think it is hard to message a couple buddies on your ICQ list and have them post in a thread makes it a backfire that is your opinion.

If i msged the webmasters on my list to come back me up on a message board they would laugh at me.

No offense brotha. I can see your point of view and, I even enjoy your posts. But then again I am easily amused. Peace.

[luv$]

Originally Posted by amacontent

I like to think my suggestion to Eric for new rule has something to do with that cause im one of them who has had enough.

Yeah it's just kind of cool to see some semblance of growth at least on this board.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by AaronM

People complain that GFY is not what it used to be.

Most of them people who weren't even here when GFY was what it used to be.

Originally Posted by AaronM

They bitch about the trolls and surfers turning the place to shit. Recently Eric has been working to clean up the image of GFY and make it a better place for business. I've talked with both Eric and EB about this issue today and as far as I am concerned, this is a VERY easy BUSINESS decision.

Agreed on Eric's efforts. I simply wonder though about someone deciding to pull ads simply over being trolled by one guy. It's been my experience (and I'm sure yours as well) that in that situation it is usually the troll who ends up looking foolish and the company gets basically a lot of bumps to their threads for free. Not always, but usually.

Originally Posted by AaronM

Option A: Ban somebody who has trolled GFY for years and who rarely, if ever, posts any business related threads. This option lets you keep a long time GFY sponsor and get rid of somebody who contributes nothing but hate and drama.

Option B: Allow the trolling to continue. This option will cost you thousands of dollars in lost revenue as well as losing a long time member who posts actual business threads and contributes to the overall growth, well being, and true purpose of GFY.

Here we have a company who has dumped 6 figures into GFY ad spots, multiple skins, etc... Those paid spots generate the revenue that lets GFY pay for things like hosting and all the free shit they have given away to webmasters, not to mention commission dollars. I don't care what business you are in, when you loose a major client/sponsor/whatever, YOU LOSE MONEY.

If I buy ad spots from a newspaper and that paper allows an editorial to go to print that bashed my business, me personally, or just harasses me in general....I'm not going to continue to do business with that newspaper. If you think that is weak of me then you have zero business sense yourself.

Back in the day, nobody could compete with GFY. These days there are other options. If an advertiser feels that they no longer want to support a forum that allows people to continuously troll their legitimate threads then they can and will take their advertising dollars elsewhere.

If you have a LEGIT complaint about somebody that's one thing...Post about it all you want as long as you can back up your complaint. This happened to EB about a week ago when somebody made a thread about poor conversions. Did EB pull ads then? Nope.

Standard GFY ad rates are 2.5k per month for top banners and 25k per week for skins. Using those numbers, that means that EB has spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 30k on GFY so far this year. Keep in mind that EB has been advertising here for many years and has skinned GFY multiple times. Why should anybody continue to pay out thousands of dollars to support a forum that allows their paid advertisers to unjustifiably treated like shit?

I like and respect both Eric and EB. I hate to see EB leave GFY but the real tragedy here is that while Eric has been working hard to make GFY a better place for business, GFY has just lost EB's direct business and a member who brings indirect business to the board.

Posting my opinions in this thread could very easily cost me business. Although I hope it does not, I feel the need to stand up for what I believe in. That being said...It is my humble opinion that GFY would be MUCH better off by adapting the rules to cut out the trolls.

I feel sorry for those who say things like: "This is what made GFY what it is today" Truth be told...GFY is complete shit today because these things have been allowed to run rampant for FAR too long. Traffic is down, obviously that means posts and page views are down as well. ADAPT OR DIE.

I'd rather not see GFY die.

All sound reasoning, but I wonder... where was this kind of post back when pimpfool and his horde of minions was mercilessly trolling this board and anyone and everyone on it who got in his way? All this fuss over what, Metaboy's antics? I simply find it...surprising is all. On the troll scale I doubt I'd put him in the top 50 of all time here.

Advertisers have threatened to pull ads from boards before "unless so-and-so is banned". I've seen it happen on here, JBM, etc, and not always met with success for the advertiser. There are times when it's probably warranted, times when it absolutely is warranted, but those times are FEW and far between as they should be. It's a slippery slope is all I'm saying, in that if you start banning people every time an advertiser takes issue with someone's posts I wonder just how much of the GFY spirit remains after a short while.

At least follow procedure, warning, temp ban, then if things don't improve the person is gone for good. But speaking as someone who myself had had to deal with a lot of trolling in the past I say there are better ways of handling most of them than complaining and threatening to pull out unless they're banned. Most people trolling others that hard are generally nothing but attention whores though, and I'm quite sure you already knew that as well. Humor often works better than outrage when dealing with them. In fact barring things getter personal I would go so far as to say it almost always does.

Although I will add that I can name about 3 dozen currently banned trolls that I honestly don't miss and would be quite happy if they are never allowed back.

Like I said in my earlier post, we all must do what works for our own business. :D

[Loch]

What is this? an internet bad boy kiss ass fest?

[nico-t]

i completely missed this..... touch gfy's advertisers = touching their money = mods wake up = ban

weak... but what else is new

[O MARINA]

what? cliff notes?

[Amputate Your Head]

The hypocrisy in here is at Level Fucking 9.

I'm gonna go fucking puke after reading this and then abolish it from my fucking brain forever.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by amacontent

I come across here pissed at people that bring nothing but hate here. At chciken shits that hide behing a screen name and wouldnt dare show thier face at a show.

Well, that's how you think you come across

And then, there's the reality:

Main Entry: cry·ba·by
Pronunciation: \ˈkrī-ˌbā-bē\
Function: noun
Date: 1851

One who cries or complains easily or often.

[ColetteX]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

what? cliff notes?

billie jean is not my lover shes just a girl who claims that i am the one

[Eric]

Thread starter has been banned. There fore this thread is now closed. Carrying on with each other somewhere else.