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Shap · 05-12-2010, 08:30 PM

Will Tighter Cross Sales and Billing Rules Hurt The Tubes More than Anyone?
I heard that earlier today. It's an interesting idea. What do you think?

iSpyCams · 05-12-2010, 08:35 PM

Why would that be?

Cross sales help programs to pay ridiculously high PPS's. That has nothing to do with whether its a tube program or not.

Barefootsies · 05-12-2010, 08:35 PM

Nope. They will just adapt.

You are already starting to see 2.0 versions of the typical traffic tube, with the pay site tube, mobile tubes, and what not.

Additionally, on those high volume traffic tubes.... as long as BROgrams keep payin for ad spots, they are safe no matter what goes on with cross sales or credit cards.

All in all, it's a non-issue to most tubes out there.

Shap · 05-12-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Why would that be?

Cross sales help programs to pay ridiculously high PPS's. That has nothing to do with whether its a tube program or not.

Do you research tubes much? Look at where big portions of their dollars come from. Tighter billing could hurt their bottom-line. I've talked to a bunch of tube owners in the past month and most have felt a major hit.

fatfoo · 05-12-2010, 08:38 PM

I think it will hurt every kind of site the same way.

iSpyCams · 05-12-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Do you research tubes much? Look at where big portions of their dollars come from. Tighter billing could hurt their bottom-line. I've talked to a bunch of tube owners in the past month and most have felt a major hit.

I'm sure it hurts them, but I don't see why it would hurt them "more than anyone".

People who were dependent on 3rd party crosses are fucked, tube or no tube. We have seen a lot of non tube programs lower payouts, run off with payouts or straight up fold, but as far as I can tell the tubes are still there.

Barefootsies · 05-12-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Do you research tubes much? Look at where big portions of their dollars come from. Tighter billing could hurt their bottom-line. I've talked to a bunch of tube owners in the past month and most have felt a major hit.

Well if the tighter rules hurt the BROgrams, and they can no longer pay for the traffic tube ad spots, only then will it ultimately hurt then in the long haul.

However, this is not a simple black and white issue. There are many flavors of tube sites, and not all are dependant on sponsor PPS, or revenue directly from upsells. Some sell ad spots and that's it, while others are pay site tube model with licensed content.

So it really comes down to the type of tube, and their revenue business model.

LoveSandra · 05-12-2010, 09:03 PM

They will adapt

Adam_M · 05-12-2010, 09:10 PM

Yes for sure it will hit tubes hard, maybe not hardest of all but it's going to take a lot of income from them!

Shap · 05-12-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam_WildCash

Yes for sure it will hit tubes hard, maybe not hardest of all but it's going to take a lot of income from them!

I think a little more than people think.

The Porn Nerd · 05-12-2010, 10:00 PM

Apparently I'm going to post in every one of Shap's threads. Then again, today there are 143 of them, I think.

Anyway: it all depends on how they have their shit setup; if they're cross-selling with other companies' merch accounts then they would have to adapt. If they're doing it 'in-house' then not as much.

GTS Mark · 05-12-2010, 10:05 PM

Most of the largest buyers are Dating/Cams... It will have an impact, but those companies aren't really as impacted as much as the typical PPS program.

Just my 2 cents

Choker · 05-12-2010, 10:15 PM

General tube sites are feeling the pinch but as long as they promote dating and cams in addition to porn they will survive. In the last 3 months more and more tube sites are sending paid traffic to their category pages and concentrating on niches and micro niches that surfers are still willing to pay for. The HUGE tubes are definetly down in traffic the last 3 months I think we are gonna see a surge of niche tube sites. Sponsor owned tubesites seem to be doing better than independently owned tube sites.

FreeFastHost · 05-12-2010, 11:14 PM

All of the biggest buyers of tube ads were using xsales, excluding aff, streamate, and livejasmin. Next month, all the big tube sites are going to get hit hard when no one renews at the current prices.

andrej_NDC · 05-13-2010, 12:05 AM

Advertising on tubes will be cheaper.

Jack Sparrow · 05-13-2010, 12:08 AM

If it will hurt the tubes, it will hurt almost 80% of the people. No matter what site.
Its not like nobody is actually doing biz with those tubes that are making them money.

And at the end.. it will hurt the affiliates. What do you think will happen when the sponsors webmasters promote are switching back to revshare only? They wont be paying $30-$75 pps anymore believe me

Not that i care though, im glad we are already revshare only for most people. Without prechecked cross-selling.

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Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	Nope. They will just adapt. You are already starting to see 2.0 versions of the typical traffic tube, with the pay site tube, mobile tubes, and what not. Additionally, on those high volume traffic tubes.... as long as BROgrams keep payin for ad spots, they are safe no matter what goes on with cross sales or credit cards. All in all, it's a non-issue to most tubes out there. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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iSpyCams Amateur Gynecologist Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Medellin Posts: 4,436	Why would that be? Cross sales help programs to pay ridiculously high PPS's. That has nothing to do with whether its a tube program or not.

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GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Most of the largest buyers are Dating/Cams... It will have an impact, but those companies aren't really as impacted as much as the typical PPS program. Just my 2 cents

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FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	All of the biggest buyers of tube ads were using xsales, excluding aff, streamate, and livejasmin. Next month, all the big tube sites are going to get hit hard when no one renews at the current prices.

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andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Advertising on tubes will be cheaper.

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Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	If it will hurt the tubes, it will hurt almost 80% of the people. No matter what site. Its not like nobody is actually doing biz with those tubes that are making them money. And at the end.. it will hurt the affiliates. What do you think will happen when the sponsors webmasters promote are switching back to revshare only? They wont be paying $30-$75 pps anymore believe me Not that i care though, im glad we are already revshare only for most people. Without prechecked cross-selling.