mikeyddddd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

The hostages:


I know the Marine, front row, 2nd from the right (next to the civilian cut off on the right); or 2nd to the right from the civilian in center.

He can tell you all you want to know about the Iranians.

He's now Director of Military Sales for Budweiser.

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LOL at you idiots, why dont you put yourself in Irans shoes. America invades Iraq over complete lies. which happens to be their neighbor. have you people not learned anything?

MetaMan

um does he post on GFY? how the fuck can he tell us what we to know?

mayabong

Why did they take the hostages? Most americans don't even know that.

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dyna mo

funny but the persians i know abhor the iranian government more than they do america or israel.

MetaMan

um most people i know cannot stand their home countries govt.

most americans i know cannot stand obama, and when bush is in power cannot stand bush.

if you go to a new country and feel accepted you are going to like the govt more than the average citizen. especially if your quality of life is increased. infact solely due to the fact that your quality of life has increased.

my dad hates the canadian govt, came to america and loves the govt here.

funny how that works eh? lets use our heads.

dyna mo

you miss the point entirely, prolly due to your basic urge to insult people while you act superior with your recently learned knowledge of world politics.

MetaMan

no you missed the point.

it doesnt matter who is in power, whoever provides the better quality of life during the times of that particular political rule is going to support them.

what point can you make that is different?

i insult you idiots because you think war is ok. i am against innocent people dieing for the sole purpose of gaining further political interests in any region based on greed.

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dyna mo

i'm going to converse with you because i am killing time, but the point is this-

i've visited iran. i went with my ex to meet her family. THEY were not impressed with their own government. they and their friends that i met went out of their way to let me know that they do not approve of how their government acts. according to each and every one of them i met, it's why they refer to themselves as persian and not iranian.



it's the government that is the problem, not *iran* and certainly not the people of iran.

MetaMan

You people are so fucking stupid it in not even funny.

Iraq nukes? what happened there where are they?

Iran doesnt have nukes. when are you going to get it doesnt matter if they have nukes or not? America and Israel want to further their control in the region. that is all it boils down to.

you idiots are all cowboys. LETS GO DROP BOMBS! KILL THEM ALL! GO USA GO ISRAEL GO CANADA GO UK!

I WANT TO DRIVE MY HUMMER TRUCK ALL DAY FUCKIN TOWEL HEAD WEARING MUSLIMS BOMB THEM, IM A COWBOYYYYYYY!

MetaMan

so what are you saying that is debunking what point i just made? you just 100% agreed with me.

guess who gets caught in the cross fire of war? it is not the politicians.

dyna mo

how you conclude this is beyond me but it proves my comment above.

mayabong

Not even hitler, they say he escaped to argentina and lived a full life.

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dyna mo

i did not quote you, never posted a debunking of your comments, never disagreed with you, never agreed with you and never even acknoweldged you in this thread until you posted you bs comment in regards to mine. my god, you are full of yourself.

mayabong

As the 3rd party mediator I'd like to say you sound very hostile to meta man and you should kiss an make up.

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MetaMan

it is beyond you because your brain is not capable of understanding simple logic.

wow you had a girlfriend who was Iranian and you visited there once. you are an automatic expert!

wow and she calls herself persian instead of iranian. that is sure life changing info. why do you think i give a fuck?

lol i am totally busting your balls.

but in all honesty i am so against war and the way the west is having a conspiracy against all muslims in the world.

DaddyHalbucks

Should be quite the fireworks display. It would be fun to watch the Israelis "kick some ass" --to borrow a line from B. Hussein Obama.

::: POPCORN :::

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MetaMan

YA DUDE KICKING ASS RULES!

lets drive our hummer trucks up to the boarder and do chest bumps as people get killed.

woaaaaaaaa EXPLOSIONS RULE BRO! WHOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO!

ill bring the beer you bring the popcorn! we will put on some HARDCORE ROCK AND ROLL! blast it from our hummers and totally headbang to that shit!

WOOOOOOOO

DaddyHalbucks

Rubbish.

The US had multiple reasons to attack Iraq, including the assasination plot of a US President, flouting the UN, etc.. etc..

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dyna mo

feel free to quote my hostile post, my simple brain isn't seeing it.

DaddyHalbucks

Yea, when there are bad guys who need to be dealt with, you want to win, and win by a wide margin. And, you want to have reason to celebrate success.

Americans don't do chest thumping. Is that another weird Canadian custom?

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dyna mo

i've never once claimed to be an expert, i shared my experience in a comment that wasn't not a reply to anyone in particular and didn't quote anyone.

MetaMan

great point dude YOU ARE SMART:

UN and iraq war.
""On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal.["[1]"

UN head saying the war in Iraq was ILLEGAL. dunno but wouldnt that mean the coalition were "flouting" the UN also?

Or how about the UN calling for ends to Israel stopping the blockade of the Gaza strip? yep sounds like Israel and USA care about what the UN has to say.

assassination "attempts" woa wait didnt an Iraq backed government ASSASSINATE Saddam Hussein? o let me guess fair trial. LOL.

great points using the UN as leeway btw. amazing!

it must be great being the USA and Israel where you dont have to play by the rules and use those same rules against others.

mikeyddddd

The US allowed the Shah to enter the country for medical treatment after the Iranian Revolution. Prior to that the CIA had returned the Shah to power in Iran.

I can not say that the US had the right to reinstall the Shah over a democratically elected government, but Iran had no right to keep the hostages for 444 days.

The Iranian government wants to destroy Israel. What were the Jews going to do after WWII? When many of them returned to their former homes in eastern Europe they were killed. So, Israel was created. Now their neighbors still want to kill them.

Israel has the right to protect itself as Iran did when they overthrew the Shah. Iran is now the provocateur and needs to be muzzled.

Invading Iraq was a major mistake. It took resources away from what the US should have been doing which was finding bin Laden and bringing him to justice.

If John McCain "knows how to capture Osama", why hasn't he done it yet?

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Exactly...multiple reasons of which WMD was the least of the reasons. WMD...was used to beat the drums of war...and that is all...and was not based upon lies but based upon the intelligence analysis of every single major intelligence agency of every major country in the world...all of which proved to be mistaken.

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um i dont think you can be considered someone neighbor after your home and entire community is bulldozed. i think you have to live next to someone. but when your home is destroyed i dont think that is really considered living there anymore.

MetaMan

sure looks like Iran is doing a lot of provoking in the region that for sure!

Amputate Your Head

It was anything but a mistake. Our government does not commit that much money & military resources to a mistake. We are there on purpose. "Finding Bin Laden" was just a way to put a face on it and gain public support. As long as we've got a "terrorist" to focus our hate towards and point a finger at for something (anything really... literally, anything)... , we remain distracted from what's actually going on in the world.

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dyna mo

what makes you say that?

mayabong

Yeah exactly, kinda brilliant how you can claim self defense by being the aggressor and people buy it. Sometimes I think the jews are right.. the goyim are just cattle easily fooled.

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dyna mo

again- more countries having nuclear weapons is not the answer, it's worse.

moeloubani

LOL 'So Israel was created?' that's definitely not how it worked!!

The plans for Israel were laid down decades earlier, the fact that after WWII there were Jews moving south was just a 'coincidence'.

The winners of WWII = Israel and the Zionists through the lives of other innocent Jews, through the lives of American soldiers and their allies.

MetaMan

fully agreed, but with that thinking everyone should disarm. it should be equal rules for all.

moeloubani

That's fair, they didn't like their government but if you haven't realized the majority of people in the US don't like THEIR government either. Does that give another country the right to start saying they're going to come in and put someone of their choosing as head of the country? OH PLEASE...

Also they are called Persians because for all of the history of the country it was called Persia up until 1935 which is still pretty recent. It has NOTHING to do with them not liking their government.

Just because people don't like their government it doesn't mean that the government needs to be overthrown. The point is there are elections, someone is voted in and they become head of the government only through those democratic means. It only becomes a bad government when they don't side with the US, then they are 'terrorists'.

Look at Hamas in Palestine, for years people called for a fair and free election in Palestine and when it happened, Hamas won. So what does the US and Israel do? They declare Hamas a terrorist organization and give the election to someone of their choosing. How is that democracy? The whole idea of it is a joke, the people don't decide anything and when the people do decide they ALWAYS decide for their best interests which often happens to be not the best interest of the US.

theking

Correction...Hamas was deemed to be a terrorist org by western powers before they were voted into power in Gaza.

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They kept the hostages as a political move via someone within and on the US's behalf so it appeared as though it was Reagans doings and to discredit Carter who was running for re-election. My understanding is that there were weapons exchanged for this deal. Which later became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

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theking

Your understanding is wrong...which is not unusual for you.

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My understanding is backed up as usual by documented factual historical events. What is it about the unclassified documented events do you have trouble with believing war hero?

Israel funded Hamas even before that. Much like the US did the Taliban and created and funded alCIAda

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No it is not...and I can prove it with a link. You cannot do the same...now can you?

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You mean like this? Grant it this is just the "read between the lines" link for starters..

The Iran–Contra affair[1] (Persian: ماجرای مکhaفارلین, Spanish: caso Irán-contras) was a political scandal in the United States that came to light in November 1986. During the Reagan administration, senior U.S. figures, including President Ronald Reagan, agreed to facilitate the sale of arms to Iran, the subject of an arms embargo.[2] At least some U.S. officials also hoped that the arms sales would secure the release of hostages and allow U.S. intelligence agencies to fund the Nicaraguan contras.

The affair began as an operation to improve U.S.-Iranian relations. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to a relatively moderate, politically influential group of Iranians, and then the U.S. would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by the Lebanese Shia Islamist group Hezbollah, who in turn were unknowingly connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. The plan deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages.[3][4] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[5]

While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] no conclusive evidence has been found showing that he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[3][4][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostages transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderates elements" within that country.[8] Oliver North, one of the central figures in the affair, wrote in a book that "Ronald Reagan knew of and approved a great deal of what went on with both the Iranian initiative and private efforts on behalf of the contras and he received regular, detailed briefings on both." Mr. North also writes: "I have no doubt that he was told about the use of residuals for the contras, and that he approved it. Enthusiastically."[9] North's account is difficult to verify because of the secrecy that still surrounds the affair.

After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[10] To this day, it is unclear exactly what Reagan knew and when, and whether the arms sales were motivated by his desire to save the U.S. hostages. Notes taken December 7, 1985, by Defense Secretary Weinberger record that Reagan said that "he could answer charges of illegality but he couldnt answer charge [sic] that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free hostages.'"[11] Investigations were compounded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[12] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages."[13]

Several investigations ensued, including those by the United States Congress and the three-man, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[3][4][7] In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[14] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the George H. W. Bush presidency; Bush had been vice-president at the time of the affair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

Now before you use your fingers further you might want to read through the unclassified documents of those investigations into it all during and prior to.

US officials used hostages as a way to get what they wanted politically at home and in Iran. It's been done time and time again.

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moeloubani

But once they won the election they were declared a terrorist organization and therefore they wouldn't recognize their government. Maybe it wasn't the first time they were being accused of being terrorists but I don't see your point?

theking do you support what Israel did to the USS Liberty when they killed 34 US soldiers, the only 'friendly fire' incident never investigated by congress?

but then again what can you expect from someone who fought for the US, you guys are just Israeli puppets anyways especially the soldiers, I just thought that maybe you learned to form your own opinions by now.

theking

Yes...you have correctly identified what became known as the Iran/Contra affair which had absolutley nothing to do with the embassy hostages taken by Iran during President Carter's Presidency and that were released upon President Regan being elected President.

So I repeat...your understanding was wrong...which is not unusual for you.

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Same shit, different hostages.. Get it? It's been done time and time again. I already knew where you were going which is why I said "you might want to read through the unclassified documents of those investigations into it all during and prior to.."

You are uncapable of reading between the lines.. There again, I already knew where you were going..

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theking

Oh I get it...your understanding was wrong...as I originally stated...and no it is not the same "shit" at all. Nothing was exchanged for the release of the Embassy hostages...and there was an exchange during the Iran/Contra affair...so once again you are wrong...which once again is not unusual for you...sport. Get it?

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You believe that if you wish. Don't you think it's kinda childish to believe that was the first time it was ever done old man? Seriously.. The DAY OF Reagan being sworn in they were released.. Next up October Surprise

The phrase "October Surprise conspiracy" refers to an alleged plot to influence the outcome of the 1980 United States presidential election between incumbent Jimmy Carter (D–GA) and opponent Ronald Reagan (R–CA).

One of the leading, national issues during that year was the release of 52 Americans being held hostage in Iran since November 4, 1979.[1] Reagan won the election. On the day of his inauguration—in fact, twenty minutes after he concluded his inaugural address—the Islamic Republic of Iran announced the release of the hostages. The timing gave rise to an allegation that representatives of Reagan's presidential campaign had conspired with Iran to delay the release until after the election in order to thwart President Carter from pulling off an "October surprise".

According to the allegation, the Reagan Administration rewarded Iran for its participation in the plot by supplying Iran with weapons via Israel and by unblocking Iranian government monetary assets in US banks.

After twelve years of mixed media attention, both houses of the US Congress held separate inquiries and concluded that the allegations lacked supporting documentation.

Nevertheless, several individuals—most notably former Iranian President Abolhassan Bani-Sadr, former Naval intelligence officer and National Security Council member, Gary Sick; and former Reagan/Bush campaign and White House staffer, Barbara Honegger—have stood by the allegation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October...spiracy_theory

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BTW...to further educate you...the Embassy hostges were released on 20 Jsnusry '81...and were received by President Carter at Rhein-Main Air Base in West Germany.

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I am and have been fully aware of the events since they took place...which is the reason I knew that you were wrong...and allegations are allegations and allegations equals pigshit.

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After Reagan being sworn in..

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So you chose to believe the "official story".. We all get that.. A good slave.. You were trained well.

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