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Old 06-22-2010, 01:17 PM   #51
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High $7 range in Chicago currently but if you drive a short trip out of cook county then they fall into $4 range per pack. I quit 1 1/2 packs a day for over a year but unfortunately picked it back up. I don't smoke as much as before but still 15-20 cigs a day. I don't do any drugs but I love me some Caffeine & Nicotine.
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What about all the various diseases I have to pay for (through taxes), in other people, that I will never get? Do I get to select which diseases I want my tax dollars to go toward treating?
Which diseases? If you know the cause of those other diseases and that people volunteerly choose to use things that causes those diseases, yeah those things should be taxed in the same way.
Plus not only cost of curing but also death of any capable person is economical loss for any country.
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Which diseases? If you know the cause of those other diseases and that people volunteerly choose to use things that causes those diseases, yeah those things should be taxed in the same way.
Plus not only cost of curing but also death of any capable person is economical loss for any country.
Okay, then let's start by taxing soft drinks and fast food at 1000% percent. That's a good start. Those two things cause all kinds of problems. Want to pay $45 dollars for a McDonalds burger?
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You fail to understand one very important thing - it cost money for all taxpayers to treat people from various diseases including the ones caused by cigarettes, bad food and so on.
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What about all the various diseases I have to pay for (through taxes), in other people, that I will never get? Do I get to select which diseases I want my tax dollars to go toward treating?
thanks APH...good point

people need to be responsible for their actions....if i choose to smoke, then i also choose the consequences....the squeaky wheels in this equation are the nonsmokers believing that its their right to dictate what ppl can do....."i dont like smokers so you have to pay the consequences for me not liking you"...and then they bitch and moan to get what they wanted, then its not good enough.....higher cig tax was their idea to FORCE ppl to stop smoking...guess what..smokers continued to buy & smoke...so they go back again and say "oh, you better watch out, we're going to raise it again"...and you know what smokers will do....pay the higher price...

lets tax the shit out of religion....i hate all organized religions, so i want a $15 tax on every empty headed religious nut...maybe that will stop ppl from believing in such foolishness...

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Okay, then let's start by taxing soft drinks and fast food at 1000% percent. That's a good start. Those two things cause all kinds of problems. Want to pay $45 dollars for a McDonalds burger?
oh now youre pushing your luck....

i also love how ppl bitch about cig smoke in the air....ever look at the LA air..and youre worried about a puff off my cig...theres way more harmful shit in the air that ppl breath than a simple cig...
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Okay, then let's start by taxing soft drinks and fast food at 1000% percent. That's a good start. Those two things cause all kinds of problems. Want to pay $45 dollars for a McDonalds burger?
Yes taxing junk food is good idea, I agree, but why 35$ for burger, 10, 20 cents per burger and that enough. No need to exaggerate. Plus keep in mind that food (junk or not) is still vital for every person while cigarretes is just poison. So while they both fall in same taxable category they are still a bit different (meaning taxing smokes should be harder than taxing food). But like I said its good idea, and I do not argue.

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i also love how ppl bitch about cig smoke in the air....ever look at the LA air..and youre worried about a puff off my cig...theres way more harmful shit in the air that ppl breath than a simple cig...

Its been proven that passive smoking is even more harmful than active. So yes I bitch if you smoke near me. And not only because its unhealthy but also because it stinks, its simply uncomfortable for non smoker to be near smoker.
Speaking of LA air. Well air is air - if you are in LA you can't ask someone to clear the air, but at least you can ask someone to move the cig. Meaning smelling only bad air is still better than smelling both bad air plus ciggarette on top of that.
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ill make you guys some cigs it will dirth cheap(lawn clippings mixed with gas) hehehe
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People should wish it was only the smuggling for tax and money reasons. Most cigs are fake and have 30 times more dangerous goods in them, then in the legal ones....
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You've been peeking at 3rd world tobacco companies' records again, eh? Seriously. American tobacco is 10000000 x safer than many 3rd world countries' tobacco.
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I didn't say it was safe. Maybe rephrase it as "less deadly". But still deadly. Stay away from 3rd world tobacco and its chemical additives
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Its been proven that passive smoking is even more harmful than active.

Bullshit. That argument has been debunked years ago.
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Our own government is at war with the people its supposed to be serving.

Why do Americans put up with this shit?
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What about all the various diseases I have to pay for (through taxes), in other people, that I will never get? Do I get to select which diseases I want my tax dollars to go toward treating?
No, but there's a difference. Some diseases can't be prevented, controlled or stopped.

Obesity and smoking can. I don't want my taxes going towards someone's unhealthy lifestyle choices.
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Yeah, Canadians should be the Poster Children for Smokers.

They can increase the price and put nasty cancer pics all over the box and Canucks will still buy them.
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been chewing the hell out of Nicorette gum though, at about .50 a piece

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This is good stuff all, actually considering trying a run without the shit.

I try to convince myself it's all in my mind.

But then I start thinking, next time I sit with a nice cold beer, ciggy ?!

For those of you that have gone cig-free that have smoked on a regular basis, how do you handle the occassional beer or whiskey, do you even think......

The cig sure tastes better with a beer doesnt it ?
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I'm guessing any tax on marijuana would have a built in checks & balances because of the nature of the plant. It's so easy to grow just about anywhere by anyone, that buying it is really just a convenience. So taxes could never get as high as cigarettes, people would simply grow their own. Cigarette tobacco is not so easy to make. I think this is part of the reason it's still criminalized today... they can't figure out a way to completely milk the public on taxes with it yet because they can't control growth.
Govt would probably make it illegal to grow it without a special license.
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I'm not even sure what it is per pack here in the Bay Area, we buy them by the carton. But I know we (wife & I) spend between $300 - $400 per month on cigarettes.
from .ru/.ua guys im buying for 1eu/pack :p
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We have more than one lung?
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No, but there's a difference. Some diseases can't be prevented, controlled or stopped.

Obesity and smoking can. I don't want my taxes going towards someone's unhealthy lifestyle choices.
Me either, but I don't get to decide if someone takes a job in a factory and breathes in dangerous dust for 20 years, which is also preventable, controllable, and stoppable. And I don't get to decide if tax dollars need to go toward fixing him or burying him.
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I could see that being attempted, but enforcement is impossible.
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Its been proven that passive smoking is even more harmful than active. So yes I bitch if you smoke near me. And not only because its unhealthy but also because it stinks, its simply uncomfortable for non smoker to be near smoker.
Speaking of LA air. Well air is air - if you are in LA you can't ask someone to clear the air, but at least you can ask someone to move the cig. Meaning smelling only bad air is still better than smelling both bad air plus ciggarette on top of that.
bullshit...passive smoking is the nonsmokers ace up their sleeve to make every bad a smokers fault...this has been proven time and time again...

as for standing near me outside...move...you bitched to get me out of the building so its all yours...go back inside....if you care to see the great outdoors then you have to deal with a smoker that might be out there..cant have your cake and eat it too....granted i am one of those polite smokers and have asked ppl if they mind if i smoke here or there....but come into my smoking area and then complain about smokers...fuck off...its not like im blowing it into your face...i had a guy use his 7yr old and said "are you going to smoke out here, my 7yr doesnt want to get cancer with her dinner"..fuck off..as hes sitting that precious 7yr old down next to a roaring smoking fire while eating that processed crap of a dinner...(ONLY because there was a kid there IN THE SMOKING AREA...did i move away...as for the father i would of blown smoke at him all night for being such a pussy when asking...dont hide behind your child)

and yes you can ask to clean the LA air...its called cleaner cars, cleaner exhaust, cleaner factories, etc....so dont cry you cant do anything about the BIGGER picture and all you can do is complain about the little guy smoking...thats malarkey
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They can increase the price and put nasty cancer pics all over the box and Canucks will still buy them.
So they should show liver cancer on all booze bottles too? It doesn't mean a pinch of shit if they put pix on the packs if you're addicted to cigarettes
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link or proof? I get my cigs from Ukraine @ $20/carton straight from the factory.... don't remember the last time I bought them at a store.
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link or proof? I get my cigs from Ukraine @ $20/carton straight from the factory.... don't remember the last time I bought them at a store.
If you're buying BRANDED (Marlboro) you have more protection than purely local labels. Regardless, tobacco from developing countries are cheaper. Here's why it's cheaper in developing countries:

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To ensure an endless supply of inexpensive cigarettes and cigars and high profits for tobacco companies, millions of pounds of toxic chemicals are being used on millions of acres of land around the world--land that in most cases could be used to grow food. Viewed in a global context, tobacco not only endangers the lives of smokers, it threatens the health and well-being of millions of tobacco farmers and workers in countries around the world. Concerned U.S. citizens should rightly question the sustainability and the sanity of the tobacco industry, at home and abroad.
Alarming as the last paragraph above may seem, that's only for US and Western companies mutlinationals that subscribe to regulations and more often than not. The higher risk comes from local monopoly brands who may or may not subscribe to the same quality/process/international standards.

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I was a pack a day smoker for 23 years; I quit in January, just after Vegas.

It blew goats. I was mean as a snake and a JOY to be around for the first few days.

Many of my friends are smokers - and I have no problem with that choice. Hell, I still like to smell it. It's a hell of an addiction, and it's tough to beat - no other addiction is tacitly allowed to be indulged at such regular intervals except, perhaps, caffeine. Can you imagine someone cooking down a spoon of heroin after a meal? Excusing themselves from a conversation with a blithe "I'll be right back, I need to blow a rail"?

Same thing. Only when someone does that with smoking, we kinda go "oh, ok, sure - see you in a few!"

Addiction is a bitch and a half, whether it's smoking, booze, food, drugs, or fucking.
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I try to convince myself it's all in my mind.

But then I start thinking, next time I sit with a nice cold beer, ciggy ?!

For those of you that have gone cig-free that have smoked on a regular basis, how do you handle the occassional beer or whiskey, do you even think......

The cig sure tastes better with a beer doesnt it ?
You can do it. Start by putting your pack and lighter on top of the fridge, then go to your office upstairs, or in the other room or whereever. Why? Because. When you do your automatic reach for a smoke, you'll have to THINK and then walk in there and choose it, or choose to put it off a while yet.

Keep leaving them somewhere else so you'll have to do this until you're sick of it. Then stop buying them.

I smoked for 30 some years and had a heart attack at 42. Quitting before that happens is preferable since many dont get a second chance.
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Old 06-23-2010, 08:47 AM   #91
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check my sig, marlboro for just over $30 a carton delivered, no taxes. They are making a change to the shipping policy because of some BS that Obama did, but I don't think it's in effect yet
Nice. I love how they charge you almost 100 bucks if you would like to become an affiliate. Maybe we should all start doing that.
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.75 cents a pack here. I wish they were $25.
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That nasty habit is getting more expensive and if that isn't enough of a motivator for people to quit then they can just happily drop dead of lung cancer broke.
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That nasty habit is getting more expensive and if that isn't enough of a motivator for people to quit then they can just happily drop dead of lung cancer broke.
I feel similar about people that eat candy. They can quit or happily let their teeth rot out of their heads.
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check my sig, marlboro for just over $30 a carton delivered, no taxes. They are making a change to the shipping policy because of some BS that Obama did, but I don't think it's in effect yet
LOL They want $50 for a carton shipped. I can get them in Virginia for just over 40 at most. Even cheaper with coupons.
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stopped almost two weeks back, guess it was a lucky timing
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Secondhand smoke can kill your heart:

People who breathe in a lot of other people's tobacco smoke are twice as likely to die from heart disease as those exposed to lower levels of "secondhand" smoke, according to a British study.

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I quit smoking like two or three years ago.

I still smoke every now and then in the rare event a friend who smokes comes over or I'm at a show I might by a pack. But after the third smoke I'm like "This sucks" and "why am I doing this" and then "why did I ever do this".

I smoked for like 25 years.

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I'm not even sure what it is per pack here in the Bay Area, we buy them by the carton. But I know we (wife & I) spend between $300 - $400 per month on cigarettes.
That's fucking insane!
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that's why i switched to:



....at some price point, expect to find the "underground" mafia selling cigarettes again from the back of trucks for 40$/carton
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