Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance - GoFuckYourself.com

xmas13 · 08-06-2010, 09:22 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/...carrier_killer

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Nothing projects U.S. global air and sea power more vividly than supercarriers. Bristling with fighter jets that can reach deep into even landlocked trouble zones, America's virtually invincible carrier fleet has long enforced its dominance of the high seas.

China may soon put an end to that.

U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with what analysts say is a game-changing weapon being developed by China — an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).

President Hu Jintao Reviews Chinese Troops [China's National Day, Chinese Military Parade 2009]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JRTTH5HW6GQ

L-Pink · 08-06-2010, 09:24 AM

Never forget it's COMMUNIST China.

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_Richard_ · 08-06-2010, 09:29 AM

what? no.. we have ZE BEST DEFENSES

crazytrini85 · 08-06-2010, 10:01 AM

I hope they put a base in Cancun, Mexico.

Serves us yanks right.

Paul Markham · 08-06-2010, 10:13 AM

40 years ago China was on the brink of a precipice. With famine, disease and an industry that could hardly function. In less than 40 years selling the West everything it can, we now have the Chinese leaders in a position to dictate to us. We need their money and they do as they please.

SallyRand · 08-06-2010, 10:44 AM

So, keep the carriers 901 miles out.

Red China will not risk the kind of shit that could come down should it attack a US carrier force, especially if that carrier force is operating in the defense of or in copperation with South Korea's forces.

Commies they maybe; they are not stupid.

Sally.

_Richard_ · 08-06-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

So, keep the carriers 901 miles out.

Red China will not risk the kind of shit that could come down should it attack a US carrier force, especially if that carrier force is operating in the defense of or in copperation with South Korea's forces.

Commies they maybe; they are not stupid.

Sally.

or they could attack, push out south korea and leave japan as the last democratic power in the region

if there was a time to officially attack the united states, that time would definitely be now

ottopottomouse · 08-06-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

So, keep the carriers 901 miles out.

Red China will not risk the kind of shit that could come down should it attack a US carrier force, especially if that carrier force is operating in the defense of or in copperation with South Korea's forces.

Commies they maybe; they are not stupid.

Sally.

Assuming it is just posturing is a mistake.

marketsmart · 08-06-2010, 11:07 AM

oh noes... the chinks are going to hurl dongs at us...

the US would nuke the shit out of those slopes if they ever struck one of our carriers..

of course, they would nuke us right back...

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SallyRand · 08-06-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

oh noes... the chinks are going to hurl dongs at us...

the US would nuke the shit out of those slopes if they ever struck one of our carriers..

of course, they would nuke us right back...

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The Red Chinese really have nothing of significance with which to "nuke us back".

ICBM Inventory:

"Chinese Designations Western Designations Range [km] IOC inventory
DF-3 [none] 10,000 cancelled --
DF-5 CSS-4 13,000 1981 20
DF-6 [none] 15,000 cancelled --
DF-22 DF-14 8,000 cancelled --
DF-31 (DF-31A) CSS-X-9 7,250 ? 2003 0
DF-41 CSS-X-10 11,270 2010 0

Nuke inventory:

There is considerable uncertainly in published estimates of the size of the Chinese nuclear weapons stockpile. In the late 1980s it was generally held that China was the world's third-largest nuclear power, possessing a small but credible nuclear deterrent force of 225 to 300 nuclear weapons. Other estimates of the country's production capacities suggested that by the end of 1970 China had fabricated around 200 nuclear weapons, a number which could have increased to 875 by 1980. With an average annual production of 75 nuclear weapons during the 1980s, some estimates suggest that by the mid-1990s the Chinese nuclear industry had produced around 2,000 nuclear weapons for ballistic missiles, bombers, artillery projectiles and landmines.

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globalsecurity.org

Sally.

_Richard_ · 08-06-2010, 11:57 AM

nobody is using nukes till people are about to lose power.. using a nuke would result in global condemnation and the abrupt end to any sort of political reliability

exactly why china gave north korea a nuke, but that's my guess

czarina · 08-06-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by crazytrini85

I hope they put a base in Cancun, Mexico.

Serves us yanks right.

are you in Cancun?

Coup · 08-06-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Never forget it's COMMUNIST China.

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when china adopted a market economy it ceased being communist. hth

Jdoughs · 08-06-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Red China will not risk the kind of shit that could come down should it attack a US carrier force, especially if that carrier force is operating in the defense of or in copperation with South Korea's forces.

lol I love Americans.

arschloch · 08-06-2010, 12:17 PM

I'd like to see one of those up against a phalanx cannon

eroticsexxx · 08-06-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crazytrini85

I hope they put a base in Cancun, Mexico.

Ah, now I see why they are building $30 million stadiums for free all over the Caribbean.

While they're building above ground, they're probably building below ground as well...

roly · 08-06-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by arschloch

I'd like to see one of those up against a phalanx cannon

that article says the missle goes at 10x the speed of sound.

Sausage · 08-06-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

oh noes... the chinks are going to hurl dongs at us...

the US would nuke the shit out of those slopes if they ever struck one of our carriers..

of course, they would nuke us right back...

.

HAHAHAHA !

Americans are so cute

China OWNS you, and whether you like it or not you need China more than China needs you. Notice how you are taking every possible step not to anger China while still managing to save face ... its pretty to watch.

L-Pink · 08-06-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup

when china adopted a market economy it ceased being communist. hth

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dyna mo · 08-06-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

HAHAHAHA !

Americans are so cute

China OWNS you, and whether you like it or not you need China more than China needs you. Notice how you are taking every possible step not to anger China while still managing to save face ... its pretty to watch.

hardly.

you obviously don't understand the buyer/seller relationship.

Sausage · 08-06-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

hardly.

you obviously don't understand the buyer/seller relationship.

You obviously are failing to factor in debt.

dyna mo · 08-06-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

You obviously are failing to factor in debt.

that debt is worthless, you know that right?

Sausage · 08-06-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

that debt is worthless, you know that right?

Can you explain that ?

Are you suggesting you guys can just "not pay China back" ?? I hear that a lot from Americans.

halfpint · 08-06-2010, 05:13 PM

Damm thats some show of force in that video

The trouble with that big US carrier is its gonna cost way more to maintain and use than those Chinese Missles

dav3 · 08-06-2010, 05:29 PM

I'm sure the carrier groups are scared shitless.

charlie g · 08-06-2010, 05:41 PM

I hope China becomes the top dog so when any country is in trouble or needs a little cash they will go to the chinese instead of where they go now. America sucks until you need their help.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 08-06-2010, 05:45 PM

China doesn't need a bomb to bring down the US. They just need to start cashing in all the IOU's and collapse the economy. Then they'll all just eat eachother like rats...

Fabien · 08-06-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

HAHAHAHA !

Americans are so cute

China OWNS you, and whether you like it or not you need China more than China needs you. Notice how you are taking every possible step not to anger China while still managing to save face ... its pretty to watch.

Yep, sad but true and SCARY i might add !

dyna mo · 08-06-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Can you explain that ?

Are you suggesting you guys can just "not pay China back" ?? I hear that a lot from Americans.

i mean the reason they buy our debt is 2-fold.

1. they have to put their moeny somewhere, u.s t-bills are historically THE place to do that and continue to be, China gets favorable worldwide credit ratings etc from this as well.

2. by buying our t-bills, the added cash adds to the u.s. overall credit pool, allowing americans to buy more chinese made shit on credit.

but if push came to shove, the u.s. could not pay out on those t-bills if china tried to dump them, *cash* them and it will be that way for a long time, prolly forever. they are worthless in that respect, the action of buying them simply perpetuates the credit system.

both sides need both sides, in fact, i'd wager china needs us slightly more but that's besides the point. the real cash money comes from consumer goods bought/sold daily. we are china's biggest customer. would you fuck your best (by far) customer in the ass if the majority of your worth is based on them? of course not.

p0rnus · 08-06-2010, 05:48 PM

Curious if this is going to change the 90,000 member downsize of the US Navy? 55,000 have already been sent home.

dyna mo · 08-06-2010, 05:55 PM

here's a better explanation than mine-

"Over the past two decades, the United States and China have developed a special relationship based on the safety of U.S. debt. In essence, the United States gives China access to the wealthiest consumer market in the world, which in turn soaks up China’s massive output of consumer goods. This not only provides income for Chinese exporters, but also helps ensure social stability in China by providing employment — which is Beijing’s primary economic policy goal. China in turn invests its large trade surpluses, earned in U.S. dollars, into U.S. Treasury debt (e.g., 30-year bonds or 10-year notes). This allows China to store its earnings in one of the largest and most liquid financial markets in the world, without needing to convert between currencies. Meanwhile, the recycling of surpluses into Treasury instruments helps to bankroll continued U.S. spending. It is vendor financing on a global scale."

SallyRand · 08-06-2010, 05:56 PM

Barack Hussein Obama hates the USA and will do anything to undermine its postion as a World power.

Sally.

dav3 · 08-06-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Barack Hussein Obama hates the USA and will do anything to undermine its postion as a World power.

Sally.

Obama is making missiles for the Chinese now. That bastard!!!!

_Richard_ · 08-06-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Barack Hussein Obama hates the USA and will do anything to undermine its postion as a World power.

Sally.

welcome to the watch list

Sausage · 08-06-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

welcome to the watch list

Lol ... and the 'no fly' list ;)

Overload · 08-06-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

here's a better explanation than mine-

"Over the past two decades, the United States and China have developed a special relationship based on the safety of U.S. debt. In essence, the United States gives China access to the wealthiest consumer market in the world, which in turn soaks up China?s massive output of consumer goods. This not only provides income for Chinese exporters, but also helps ensure social stability in China by providing employment ? which is Beijing?s primary economic policy goal. China in turn invests its large trade surpluses, earned in U.S. dollars, into U.S. Treasury debt (e.g., 30-year bonds or 10-year notes). This allows China to store its earnings in one of the largest and most liquid financial markets in the world, without needing to convert between currencies. Meanwhile, the recycling of surpluses into Treasury instruments helps to bankroll continued U.S. spending. It is vendor financing on a global scale."

simply put: if china decides to stop giving money to the US you can close doors

no more weapons, no more credit, no more living on debts - how wud ya cope with that? CHIMERICA IS THE TRUTH and without china the US wud fall like a dead man

Brujah · 08-06-2010, 07:33 PM

Even if it could, why would China destroy it's best customer? The U.S. is the biggest whale of a customer ever.

Sausage · 08-06-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i mean the reason they buy our debt is 2-fold.

1. they have to put their moeny somewhere, u.s t-bills are historically THE place to do that and continue to be, China gets favorable worldwide credit ratings etc from this as well.

2. by buying our t-bills, the added cash adds to the u.s. overall credit pool, allowing americans to buy more chinese made shit on credit.

but if push came to shove, the u.s. could not pay out on those t-bills if china tried to dump them, *cash* them and it will be that way for a long time, prolly forever. they are worthless in that respect, the action of buying them simply perpetuates the credit system.

both sides need both sides, in fact, i'd wager china needs us slightly more but that's besides the point. the real cash money comes from consumer goods bought/sold daily. we are china's biggest customer. would you fuck your best (by far) customer in the ass if the majority of your worth is based on them? of course not.

Oh I never meant to suggest there wouldn't be rather serious consequences for China. Even if they dumped their US bonds before they matured, they would take a gigantic financial hit and yes their number 1 customer would pretty much be wiped off the financial map and unable to buy anything.

Though Chinese are more capable of living in poverty if circumstance dictated it, and they do have a TON of other customers who would definitely keep buying. The US on the other hand would have a totally worthless dollar, and suffer post war German levels of hyperinflation .. it would pretty much be the end of the US as we know it.. and we all know Americans have never had to deal with true poverty.

America isn't going to attack China, and while China will prod the US from time to time, they aren't gonna attack you guys either. In 10 years they will be the world superpower anyway, and they know to just sit back and wait. America is digging its own grave ... that free trade agreement didn't work out too well for the US unfortunately.

Ethersync · 08-06-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

lol I love Americans.

America is quickly becoming that popular jock in high-school who fucked half the cheerleaders and now, 10+ years later, sports a beer gut, has a shit job selling insurance, lives for weekends, and won't shut up about what a badass he was back in the day and still claims he can kick your ass.

JBlack · 08-06-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

China doesn't need a bomb to bring down the US. They just need to start cashing in all the IOU's and collapse the economy. Then they'll all just eat eachother like rats...

word

dyna mo · 08-06-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Overload

simply put: if china decides to stop giving money to the US you can close doors

no more weapons, no more credit, no more living on debts - how wud ya cope with that? CHIMERICA IS THE TRUTH and without china the US wud fall like a dead man

that's your opinion. but to answer your question, i don't live on credit whatsoever, i nursed myself off that teet over the last 2 years and plan to live within my cash means going forward.

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Oh I never meant to suggest there wouldn't be rather serious consequences for China. Even if they dumped their US bonds before they matured, they would take a gigantic financial hit and yes their number 1 customer would pretty much be wiped off the financial map and unable to buy anything.

Though Chinese are more capable of living in poverty if circumstance dictated it, and they do have a TON of other customers who would definitely keep buying. The US on the other hand would have a totally worthless dollar, and suffer post war German levels of hyperinflation .. it would pretty much be the end of the US as we know it.. and we all know Americans have never had to deal with true poverty.

America isn't going to attack China, and while China will prod the US from time to time, they aren't gonna attack you guys either. In 10 years they will be the world superpower anyway, and they know to just sit back and wait. America is digging its own grave ... that free trade agreement didn't work out too well for the US unfortunately.

i don't disagree with this.

however, things can change- paradigm shift.

stonehammer · 08-06-2010, 08:31 PM

china is up and coming, usa is ....struggling

Overload · 08-06-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's your opinion. but to answer your question, i don't live on credit whatsoever, i nursed myself off that teet over the last 2 years and plan to live within my cash means going forward. i don't disagree with this.

however, things can change- paradigm shift.

its not about you - but from what i heard the US owes china 300 BILLION $ ... that IS living on debts, no?

jackknoff · 08-06-2010, 08:42 PM

I hate to say this, but China would kick the U.S.'s ass. They are just as modern, with a helluva alot more resources and people... We would be toast...

Spanx!
Jack

Ethersync · 08-06-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jackknoff

I hate to say this, but China would kick the U.S.'s ass. They are just as modern, with a helluva alot more resources and people... We would be toast...

Spanx!
Jack

Until only very recently their military was rather landlocked since they had virtually no Navy. That is apparently changing though.

Anyways, those of you saying China owns the US should look at history. During depressions export based economies got it the worst. If China can not keep their people working there will be a billion people out for blood and putting them to work building cities that no one lives in is not sustainable.

DateDoc · 08-06-2010, 09:22 PM

This is great news for US Defense Contractors. Now they can build missiles to shoot the Chinese missile down. Cold War II begins.

Ethersync · 08-06-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

This is great news for US Defense Contractors. Now they can build missiles to shoot the Chinese missile down. Cold War II begins.

Sounds like a great excuse to get more money...

dav3 · 08-07-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

This is great news for US Defense Contractors. Now they can build missiles to shoot the Chinese missile down. Cold War II begins.

Shouldn't this be enough?

theking · 08-07-2010, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Overload

simply put: if china decides to stop giving money to the US you can close doors

no more weapons, no more credit, no more living on debts - how wud ya cope with that? CHIMERICA IS THE TRUTH and without china the US wud fall like a dead man

Pigshit.

baddog · 08-07-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Can you explain that ?

Are you suggesting you guys can just "not pay China back" ?? I hear that a lot from Americans.

I have never heard it before now, but it rings of accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Even if it could, why would China destroy it's best customer? The U.S. is the biggest whale of a customer ever.

Bingo.

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Originally Posted by Overload

its not about you - but from what i heard the US owes china 300 BILLION $ ... that IS living on debts, no?

Is that all? Pfft, chump change.

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SallyRand So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! Posts: 3,487	So, keep the carriers 901 miles out. Red China will not risk the kind of shit that could come down should it attack a US carrier force, especially if that carrier force is operating in the defense of or in copperation with South Korea's forces. Commies they maybe; they are not stupid. Sally.

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