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zzgundamnzz · 08-29-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby_the_pyn

Hey I just had to add my thoughts on this textfile...it was great!

BTW, hello to all you fuckers!

I can't wait to start making some money! Thanx again

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Q: Is there any money in selling domain names? Not a whole bunch, just a single domain name. Do people still buy one at a time?

Yeah theres money in domains. But I wouldn't know too much about that. I am sure theres other more knowledgable people on this board for that subject.

zzgundamnzz · 08-29-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by babydred

This is a great tut! Thanks ZZ for taking the time to write it!

Now for my question...what's the minimum server requirements needed to run a thumb TGP or thumb MGP using sponsor hosted (or FHGs, whichever you want to call them) and/or partner submitted galleries (either way the links are hosted off my server)?
LelaHosting has some great virtual hosting deals and so does HighCountryHosting ...but i'm not sure of what i'm going to need as far bandwidth transfer...20 gigs too low?

I'm thinking somewhere between 50 -100 gigs?

75% is going to be sponsor hosted galleries and 25% partner submits.

I also want to have one using 100% sponsor hosted galls.

I'm leaning towards HCH because they'll install Comus and TTT for me...thus saving me the trouble of that hurdle.

so to summarize, i just need to know:

What's the minimum server requirements (disc space, bandwidth transfer amount, speed and etc.) needed for a TGP or an MGP just starting up?

I have no idea where to start as far as paid hosting needs...i've been using freehosts since day one and i'd rather be on a more reliable server and paid is definetly better supported than a free one.

My apologies if i'm rambling.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

First of all don't look at what a host installs. Look at their prices. You can always find someone to install the scripts for you. This way you'll save alot of money in the long run.

You might wanna ask Darkhorse how much he charges to install stuff. Back when I was new I got him to install stuff for me. Make a post.

For hosting you might wanna look at this if you really have to use a virtual plan. http://phatservers.net/hosting_plans/virtual/index.html

As for server specs. I don't think you need to worry about that yet. What you could do is get a virtual plan. As your site grows upgrade through the packages. When you reach 10,000-12,000 uniques per day move to a dedicated server.

zzgundamnzz · 08-30-2005, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

Why not use virtual hosting?

1. Some scripts are cpu hungry. Using two of them on a machine with a few dozen accounts just slows everything down.

2. I know for a fact that some people put 30+ virtual accounts on a Pentium 4 machine.

3. Alot of virtual accounts can't handle the traffic. Either because the machine is too overcrowded. Or because the bandwidth gets congested Picture this 50 people are directed to your site but only 25 of them have a satisfactory load rate.

Now if something like this were to be happening there would be a domino effect. For example your trades sending you the right amount of traffic but the traffic is not getting to you. Therefore you X the trade for being bad.

4. Some of the popular scripts need shell access and other server priveleges. They usually won't give you that access because of security reasons.

Let me add something to this. When you're starting off virtual will probably be your best bet. Don't wanna have a $200-400 server bill every month when your just starting off. Just move off of virtual when you get a decent amount of traffic going.

zzgundamnzz · 08-30-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

I start my tgp
www.hollygalleries.com
and i send 100k traffic from free hosting 404 pages.
Now when traffic is end i have about 100-200 uniq hits to my tgp site ;<
Why? I have a lot fo traders some have >100% productive

Could be any number of things.

- Traffic Quality might not be very good from the 404 pages.
- One or more of your trades might be a cheater
- Might be because your trading with sites that aren't in the same niche as yours. You have babes and your trading with teen sites.

'elloBrian · 08-30-2005, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

Let me add something to this. When you're starting off virtual will probably be your best bet. Don't wanna have a $200-400 server bill every month when your just starting off. Just move off of virtual when you get a decent amount of traffic going.

Thanks for the replies. Another question for ya... and please bear with me because I'm totally new to this - like I said, I just stumbled upon this by accident

Do you think incorporating a TGP into a pay site would be a good way to drive traffic to your pay site? Like, if you had the TGP in a sidebar or something? It seems to me that TGPs can do so well because they ultimately drive traffic to pay sites which can get subscribers. If you have one, why not promote your own site this way? You could even put the TGP in a frame or an iframe so it could be hosted on a separate server and not hog resources on your pay site.

Dynamix · 08-30-2005, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'elloBrian

Thanks for the replies. Another question for ya... and please bear with me because I'm totally new to this - like I said, I just stumbled upon this by accident

Do you think incorporating a TGP into a pay site would be a good way to drive traffic to your pay site? Like, if you had the TGP in a sidebar or something? It seems to me that TGPs can do so well because they ultimately drive traffic to pay sites which can get subscribers. If you have one, why not promote your own site this way? You could even put the TGP in a frame or an iframe so it could be hosted on a separate server and not hog resources on your pay site.

Many people do this. I've designed TGPs for paysite owners (see: http://www.kinzietgp.com/main.html ) that promote not only affiliate programs but their own paysite as well. Great way to introduce a new paysite to surfers (if your TGP is large enough).

babydred · 08-30-2005, 07:38 AM

Thanks ZZ...it wasn't just what would be installed...i also compared offers at similiar prices (bandwidth, disk space, etc.).

Phatserver looks good also! Thanks.

I'll be looking for a dedicated server once i get to 10 to 20k a day.

btw, does this tut also works with thumb MGPs as well?

'elloBrian · 08-30-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dynamix

Many people do this. I've designed TGPs for paysite owners (see: http://www.kinzietgp.com/main.html ) that promote not only affiliate programs but their own paysite as well. Great way to introduce a new paysite to surfers (if your TGP is large enough).

That site looks more like a TGP first and foremost to me. I was thinking more along the lines of having the TGP play second fiddle to a paysite. Say, for instance, that you were going to start a new paysite and you wanted to drive customers to the site. Let's say it's a teen site. What would be the up/downsides to incorporating a smaller, discrete teen TGP off to one side of the site. People that are linking to your TGP (sorry, I know I don't have the lingo down

'Trading' is it?) are then also linking to your paysite. Is this fair play?

goob · 08-30-2005, 09:31 AM

I've gotta say, this thread has been heaps informative. I hope to start a TGP in the next few days here and truth be told, this was the thread that got me interested in doing so! Thank you!

Nightwind · 08-30-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by babydred

Thanks ZZ...it wasn't just what would be installed...i also compared offers at similiar prices (bandwidth, disk space, etc.).

Phatserver looks good also! Thanks.

I'll be looking for a dedicated server once i get to 10 to 20k a day.

btw, does this tut also works with thumb MGPs as well?

ATCIHosting
Is very cheap and reliable. The support is great, the guy who runs it is on ICQ practically 24/7 and will help you with whatever you might need (script installs etc).

He can also easily change your hosting plan as your site grows if you wish. It is what i use and i am very happy with it.

There are no setup fees or contracts.

paymeback · 08-31-2005, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightwind

ATCIHosting
Is very cheap and reliable. The support is great, the guy who runs it is on ICQ practically 24/7 and will help you with whatever you might need (script installs etc).

He can also easily change your hosting plan as your site grows if you wish. It is what i use and i am very happy with it.

There are no setup fees or contracts.

Yep Chris over at ATCIHosting is a great guy and will help you out installing scripts and any support you need, also i think they still run 1st month free.

babydred · 09-01-2005, 05:28 PM

Thanks for the tip on ATCIHosting! Their first virtual host package is half the cost of HighCountryHostings second package...and they both have the same HD and BW.

Someone mentioned them to me before...forgot i had them bookmarked.

SinSational · 09-02-2005, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by babydred

Thanks for the tip on ATCIHosting! Their first virtual host package is half the cost of HighCountryHostings second package...and they both have the same HD and BW.

Someone mentioned them to me before...forgot i had them bookmarked.

take a look. let me know if there is anything we can do for you.

BlackElf · 09-06-2005, 10:52 AM

Well this will give me something to read

zzgundamnzz · 09-10-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackElf

Well this will give me something to read

Definately... been writing in this thread for over a year ;)

lucas131 · 09-12-2005, 08:51 AM

i make macro in comust thumbs in my page www.hardcoresummer.com like:

Code:

(hall of fame)
                 <table width="462" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" height="440">
<tr align="center">
    <td>{{all-thumb-1-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-2-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-3-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-4-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-5-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-6-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-7-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-8-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-9-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-10-query-best_noclicks}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-1-query-best_clicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-2-query-best_clicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-3-query-best_clicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-4-query-best_clicks}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-5-query-best_clicks}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr align="center">    
    <td>{{all-thumb-1-query-new}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-2-query-stage1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-3-query-stage1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-4-query-stage1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-5-query-stage1}}</td> 
</tr> 

(1 day)
                  <table width="483" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" height="521">
<tr align="center"> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-1-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-2-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-3-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-4-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-5-query-age1}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-7-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-8-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-9-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-10-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-11-query-age1}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-13-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-14-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-15-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-16-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-17-query-age1}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-19-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-20-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-21-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-22-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-23-query-age1}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-25-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-26-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-27-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-28-query-age1}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-29-query-age1}}</td> 
</tr> 

(2 days)
     <table width="483" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" height="521">
<tr align="center"> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-1-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-2-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-3-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-4-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-5-query-age2}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-7-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-8-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-9-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-10-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-11-query-age2}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-13-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-14-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-15-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-16-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-17-query-age2}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-19-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-20-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-21-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-22-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-23-query-age2}}</td> 
</tr> 
<tr> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-25-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-26-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-27-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-28-query-age2}}</td> 
    <td>{{all-thumb-29-query-age2}}</td> 
</tr> 
</table>

Is it good u said that 1 table like i have but 2 and 3 table with query best but i dont know how to make it example {{all-thumb-1-query-best}} ?? And fill all 1 and 2 days table with query best?

How make skim in every table different? 65, 60 55?

sevent1 · 09-12-2005, 07:49 PM

this just the kind of thread i was looking..great info

ForceWielder · 09-17-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

1. You should see the how old this thread is.

2. Do not register with Go Daddy or other cheap places! Register with the big companies. They charge more but you won't get fucked over.

Where in that sentence did I say go daddy wasn't big? "Do not register with Go Daddy or other cheap places! Register with the big companies. They charge more but you won't get fucked over"

I said Do not register with Go Daddy or other Cheap Places! Thats what I said about them. Then in the next sentence I said register with big companies. I called Go Daddy cheap... nowhere did I call it small.

3. Thanks for the bump

What if I already made the mistake of registering domains with go daddy? What can I do to fix this mishap?

smoothballs · 09-18-2005, 10:00 AM

I'm having big problems trying to get scripts like comus run on my server, dont think they allow msqldatabase to be connected to a host outside their network! think I need to change hosts!

StickyGreen · 09-19-2005, 01:17 AM

so zz, you gonna make a traffic trading tutorial or what?

illusion · 09-19-2005, 06:24 PM

traffic trading tutorial would be nice

zzgundamnzz · 09-20-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

so zz, you gonna make a traffic trading tutorial or what?

Probably not in the near future. Haven't the time to write one. I did start on it and the first part is about 3 pages. I guess I'll finish it someday.

StickyGreen · 09-20-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

Probably not in the near future. Haven't the time to write one. I did start on it and the first part is about 3 pages. I guess I'll finish it someday.

zzgundamnzz · 09-27-2005, 11:31 PM

bump

Babesex · 09-28-2005, 12:35 AM

great info.. my tgp coming soon :D

Al Gomez · 10-03-2005, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

Probably not in the near future. Haven't the time to write one. I did start on it and the first part is about 3 pages. I guess I'll finish it someday.

zzgundamnzz · 10-10-2005, 10:44 AM

Going to bump this so it doesn't go into the abyss.

Al Gomez · 10-10-2005, 11:40 PM

Brother, I will pay you for a traffic trading tutorial. Whaddya say?

zzgundamnzz · 10-12-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Gomez

Brother, I will pay you for a traffic trading tutorial. Whaddya say?

Make me an offer ;)

Dave S · 10-12-2005, 07:16 PM

Fantastic thread zz. I hope you are making a load of cash from the ref codes cos you deserve it.

I'm currently in the process of making a TGP based on your plan.

I do have a question though, whats the best way to deal with the different sized thumbs that you use on your TGP?

Do you have seperate categories for the larger thumbs or what? And are the larger ones selected and cropped by hand each day or did you just feed a load of gals in and auto thumb them?

Cheers foe this thread, any attempts to do it without your help would have failed I'm sure. I/m not that confident about the traffic trading side but I guess I will cross that bridge once the site is ready.

Dave

zzgundamnzz · 10-12-2005, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave S

Fantastic thread zz. I hope you are making a load of cash from the ref codes cos you deserve it.

I'm currently in the process of making a TGP based on your plan.

I do have a question though, whats the best way to deal with the different sized thumbs that you use on your TGP?

Do you have seperate categories for the larger thumbs or what? And are the larger ones selected and cropped by hand each day or did you just feed a load of gals in and auto thumb them?

Cheers foe this thread, any attempts to do it without your help would have failed I'm sure. I/m not that confident about the traffic trading side but I guess I will cross that bridge once the site is ready.

Dave

They are based on keywords. Comus can sort by either keywords or categories. Keywords is useful if you're using categories to sort by niche.

A few years ago I took a few weeks off and cropped 50,000 galleries. They are still going after all this time. So, yes I just fed a load of gals.

Half of them are autothumbed. I set the autothumb to pass each freehosted gallery 15 times. Each pass changing the value. The reason for this is to have every picture of a gallery and have it up for sorting. This way the gal can be used more than once and has a greater chance of bringing in sales.

Sickthing · 10-14-2005, 05:56 AM

Hi zzgundamnzz,

I setup a TGP site at www.nudeteenyphoto.com. Had a page designed for me with the promise to help me get started. I guess I should have paid after I got that help. They didn't even give me the banners I paid for. I should probably say who but not for now.... Grrrrrrrrr

The hosting guy tried to help me and just as I was about to grasp it, i realized the site was prepared with style sheets.

If you ever get some time ICQ me to see if you can help me get started. I'm the kind of person that usually once I see how it works, I can take it from there. It's a lot to ask, so it's okay if I don't hear from you.

Thanks,

Sickthing
ICQ = 302797780

Argonaut · 10-14-2005, 07:42 AM

really good posts, thanks guys

Dave S · 10-14-2005, 12:21 PM

Cheers ZZ

zzgundamnzz · 10-14-2005, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sickthing

Hi zzgundamnzz,

I setup a TGP site at www.nudeteenyphoto.com. Had a page designed for me with the promise to help me get started. I guess I should have paid after I got that help. They didn't even give me the banners I paid for. I should probably say who but not for now.... Grrrrrrrrr

The hosting guy tried to help me and just as I was about to grasp it, i realized the site was prepared with style sheets.

If you ever get some time ICQ me to see if you can help me get started. I'm the kind of person that usually once I see how it works, I can take it from there. It's a lot to ask, so it's okay if I don't hear from you.

Thanks,

Sickthing
ICQ = 302797780

I wouldn't be much help. I never learned Style Sheets.

Deccyphernet · 10-16-2005, 12:57 PM

Hi Thanks for the great tutorial i think i will use something sililar for one of my new sites and see if it takes off

ballistix · 10-19-2005, 12:47 PM

Hey gundamn,

Thanks for the great tut

I've been wanting to get a TGP going for a while now and have spent countless hours researching it. I wish I found your post earlier, it would have saved me a ton of sleepless nights lol.

A few Q's if you don't mind....

1. I noticed on the TTT site that they have a PHP and a C version. Which one should I go with, does it make a difference? And on the same note is TTT a good enough free script?

2. From what I've picked up reading through this entire thread is that it's better to go with a specific niche than a broad TGP. Any words of wisdom as to what niches are converting well?

3. In the thread you make mention of traffic-for-sale.com, how is their traffic? I know it's a bit of a misnomer question, but is it good enough to get the ball rolling on the trades?

4. I know this is like asking how long is a piece of string, but ideally how much traffic should one purchase initially and over how many days should you spread it?

5. I've had a look at findtrades.com and was just wondering what size TGP's to target for trades, is it worth going after the 0 - 5k trades? How many trades should I look at getting going with the initial traffic?

6. And lastly setting up the trades. I take it I sign up for the trade via the link at findtrades and then add the sites corresponding info to TTT?

Sorry, I know I've asked a bunch of questions here, but like I said, I'm big on research and I'll probably have a lot more lol.

I'd really like to thank you again, and I'll definitely keep you updated on the progress I'm making.

Cheers!

Dynamix · 10-19-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ballistix

Hey gundamn,

Thanks for the great tut

I've been wanting to get a TGP going for a while now and have spent countless hours researching it. I wish I found your post earlier, it would have saved me a ton of sleepless nights lol.

A few Q's if you don't mind....

1. C version is more stable and quicker. uses a flat-file database rather than a MySQL database. Thousands of webmasters depend upon TTT for their trading, it's certainly strong and in my opinion the best free script out there.

2. Niche sites are the only way to go these days. Latin/ethnic niche is a great one.. if you're not afraid of gay content, gay sites are probably the best converting in today's market.

3. Use Traffic-Out.com - very productive traffic, high quality.

4. All depends on how large you intend to grow your site. I never purchase traffic, just submit to linkdumps using LinkWhore and let that jumpstart my trades. Ask around and have your friends with larger sites add you as a trade and force hits - you'll be up to 2k/day unique hits in a day or two, and should level out at 1600-1800/day after a week.

5. You can add 0-5k, but look at what they require to start the trade.. Generally the higher the number, the better off you are to trade with them (if your site is powerful enough). Sign up to 20-30 trades initially, then weed out the slow or stagnant ones. Keep adding more trades - go to your trades' sites and add their trades.

6. Sign up on their Trade Signup page (links from FindTrades are given), then add their info into your own TTT or other script control panel.

Hope some of this helped

ballistix · 10-19-2005, 02:54 PM

Dynamix,

Thanks for the response, it ALL helped a stack!

I'm glad you mentioned Linkwhore, I saw a thread on them while doing some research. I was wondering if I shouldn't try using them while I get everything in order and then purchase some traffic if need be. So you reckon it works for you? Say for interests sake that by using them I can get it to average out at 2k a day, how do I then take it to the next level? Just start setting up more trades?....

In gundamn's scenario of starting off with some bought traffic, he says to only force for 24 hours and then let TTT take over. Would it work the same with something like Linkwhore or would I then leave the forces in place for longer?

What's classified as a 'good' trade and how long do I let a trade run before I decide if it's good or needs to be dumped?

If you were working on a 65% skim, is there a ratio as to how many trades you can have according to your traffic?

And lastly, considering this thread was started more than a year ago, is there still a market for TGP's. I know it's not going to make me rich, but will it keep the fridge stocked with beer?

Thanks again, this place rocks

ballistix · 10-20-2005, 03:04 PM

Oh, and BTW, how do you setup different skims per table?

Thanks as always.

ChrisAnubis · 10-20-2005, 08:51 PM

Damn, ZZ,

Good to see your thread still getting bumped and good info coming out of it. This is the thread that got me into the Adult website biz. Although right now I only have time to update my blog (after reading some depressing info on starting a TGP nowadays), I decided to go with a blog to begin with. I've made a few sales within the last month and 1/2, and realize that it is going to take a couple more sites to get things going great like I would like them to. (A TGP will likely be on the horizon, when I get the time to sit down and work on it)

Congrats on getting new people interested and getting them going.

And for everyone now looking into this industry, good luck to you.

Dynamix · 10-21-2005, 03:18 PM

To answer your questions..

To go up past 2k (the traffic from LinkWhore) you really have to depend on stable trades. If you continue to add quality trades, feed out poor trades, and submit your site to linkdumps, you'll grow steadily. You can boost this by buying feeder traffic, but use caution -- you only want HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE traffic, like that sold by Traffic-Out. Just random hits won't help build your trades and grow your site.

First and foremost, you have to "be selling what they're buying" - meaning add content to your site that surfers will come back to day and day again. Update your thumbs and add galleries often. Set Comus to rotate them each day, and not more often than that.. nobody checks back to porn sites every ten minutes for new porn.

If you think of your favorite TGP's from before you got into the industry - or even now - think of what made you return to them.. maybe it was a free movie clip each day, maybe it was a blurb about the webmaster's life (I know that was interesting to me when I saw it on Sublime Directory), maybe it was quality thumbs, etc.

"Good trades" are those that are productive. If you login to TTT or your favorite trade script, you should see a ton of numbers, but most importantly the ratio of clicks per visitor, or productivity. The higher the percentage the better.. 130-150%+ is excellent. Let the trade run as long as you like.. use your own judgement.. maybe they're having a bad day, maybe a slow start with your site.. if for say 3-4 days you don't see any hits, or very low productivity, ditch it - replace it with 2 or 3 new trades. Repeat ;)

As far as skimming goes, be smart. A surfer won't come back if all they get is trades. If you're skimming 65% that means only 35% of clicks are getting to galleries, and your surfers are most likely getting frustrated. If you do plan to skim 65%, make sure you have a ton of trades (20-40?) - you don't want them going to the same 5 trades every 5 clicks.

To change the skimming percentage on a table-by-table basis, you need to edit a few things. First, the skim settings for Thumb and Text links in Comus (Settings>Thumb/Text Links). For me, the options are #'s 57 and 64. Let's say your standard TTT prefix is:
/cgi-bin/ttt-out?pct=65&url=

Change the percent to %lshave% and %tshave% for links and thumbs, respectively.
/cgi-bin/ttt-out?pct=%lshave%&url= for setting #57
/cgi-bin/ttt-out?pct=%tshave%&url= for setting #64

Now you have to edit your Comus page template so that the skim setting is set in the macros. I use Plural Macros for my template, if you don't - you should ;)

PHP Code:


			
<table border=0 width=500>{{THUMBS#60#all-thumbs-7-4-query-age1}} </table>

THUMBS is just a label, best to leave it as THUMBS or TEXTLINKS

60 is the skim percentage

all-thumbs is the category to pull from

7-4 is the number of thumbs to pull - 4 rows of 7 each.

query-age1 just tells comus where to pull from, you can change it to age2 for yesterday's, age3, etc.

In my own experience, TGP's weren't the way to go - for me at least. I don't have the patience nor the energy to constantly update trades and galleries, content and links. If you do, then stick to it.. the money's there, but it's nowhere near what it used to be. Use simple math to forecast your earnings:

(# Hits daily) * (Productivity / 100) * ([100-Skim]/100) * (Tour Ratio) *(Conversion Ratio) * (# Days In Month) * (Sponsor Payout)

I know it may not seem simple, but it is. I'll explain:

# Hits Daily is obviously the size of your site. We'll use 2,000 for this example.

Productivity/100 is the decimal version of how many clicks you're getting. Let's say you're at 110% overall productivity, the decimal is 1.1. This means your site is seeing 2,200 clicks each day.

100 - Skim is the decimal percentage of clicks that are getting to galleries. Since you mentioned 65%, we'll use that. 35% of your clicks are getting to galleries, so this value is 0.35.

Multiply 2,200 clicks by 0.35 and you'll see that 770 clicks are getting to your galleries.

Tour Ratio is how many surfers at your galleries click the "See More" links - let's estimate a generous 10%, or 0.10, since most surfers just want free porn. Multiply 770 by 0.10 and 77 surfers get to your join page.

Multiply that number by your conversion ratio. This will vary from sponsor to sponsor, but I think a healthy industry average is 1 in 400, meaning for every 400 people that get to the join page, 1 signs up.

1 divided by 400 is 0.25%, or 0.0025. Multiply 77 by this number, resulting in 0.1925. That means that on average, 0.1925 people are signing up.

Multiply this by the number of days in the month (31 for October) and you get 5.9675.

Lastly, multiply this number by your sponsor payout - let's say $35 per join, a relatively average payout.

Assuming my calculations are correct, you could be making $208 per month. Now of course each value will vary - your productivity could be horribly worse, your conversation ratio could be significantly better.

ballistix · 10-22-2005, 07:06 AM

Dynamix,

Thanks, you and ZZ have been a tremedous help!

I would just like to clarify something quick. It's my understanding that if I set my skim to 65, that 65% goes to GALLERIES and 35% to trades? As per your explanation it's the other way around....

And then lastly, what is the benefit of using plural macros? And if I do use them how do I set cellspacing etc or does comus do that automatically.

Thanks again

Martin3 · 10-23-2005, 09:01 AM

Sweet guide

Read it about a month ago and it had me thinking.... well now my site is launched

www.tightteenz.com
Comus and Arrow Trader Light III
Webair virtual hosting

Just bought 20k worth of feeder traffic, start up cost was low, domain registration, $20/month for hosting, both script of the free versions for now.

Still tinkering around with some graphics though.

We'll see how it goes, productivity for the first week has been around 300-400%

About to go back and review all 11 pages and see if I missed anything

zzgundamnzz · 10-24-2005, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin3

Sweet guide

Read it about a month ago and it had me thinking.... well now my site is launched

www.tightteenz.com
Comus and Arrow Trader Light III
Webair virtual hosting

Just bought 20k worth of feeder traffic, start up cost was low, domain registration, $20/month for hosting, both script of the free versions for now.

Still tinkering around with some graphics though.

We'll see how it goes, productivity for the first week has been around 300-400%

About to go back and review all 11 pages and see if I missed anything

Glad you didn't spend too much on startup costs. I see too many people spending $350-500 on their first servers and on top of that they buy all of the paid versions of the scripts and they end up making negative because they didn't start small.

zzgundamnzz · 10-24-2005, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballistix

Dynamix,

Thanks, you and ZZ have been a tremedous help!

I would just like to clarify something quick. It's my understanding that if I set my skim to 65, that 65% goes to GALLERIES and 35% to trades? As per your explanation it's the other way around....

And then lastly, what is the benefit of using plural macros? And if I do use them how do I set cellspacing etc or does comus do that automatically.

Thanks again

The obvious advantage of using plurals. You don't need to add a macro to every cell space to the table. You can make an entire table with only one line of text.

The not so obvious advantage is the script loves plurals. It'll build alot faster and use less resources when building.

On the other hand plurals to have there disadvantages. Its hard to create custom tables. If you guys will look at my TGP. Theres a big thumb, small thumb, wide thumb, all coexisting on the same table. I had to use singles to have the done. Although I think it is possible to do something similar with plurals.

When people say they want to trade with someone who skims atleast 60%. It means 60 to the gals and 40 to trades. Just remember the number is what goes to galleries.

zzgundamnzz · 10-24-2005, 12:17 PM

And a very big Thank You to Dynamix for helping out

Martin3 · 10-24-2005, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

Glad you didn't spend too much on startup costs. I see too many people spending $350-500 on their first servers and on top of that they buy all of the paid versions of the scripts and they end up making negative because they didn't start small.

Yeah, I figured I'd just spend enough to get it started. No since in diving in head first since this is a new area for me. Still got alot to learn. Had my first 2 sells today, 3 more and I break even, barely been a week the sites been up

Dave S · 10-24-2005, 07:37 PM

Another bump for this legendary thread...

Just thought I would keep people informed of my progress as nobody else seems to have made any success or failure stories and it would be interesting to see what happens.

I've just finished setting up comus and galleries and so on, my site still looks a little on the rough side but I've bought a little traffic (20k) for testing and set up a few pretty random trades.

I'm running comus 2% skim and TTT-C on a virtual plan.

www.filthydevil.com/tgp.shtml

Anyway, 2 questions at this point.

In comus should I have "first click to galleries" set to 1? My skim is set as follows.
All normal sized thumbs are 65% skim
Big thumbs are 100% skim in hall of fame
90% in today and yesterdat
90% 2 days ago

Does that should like a good place to start?

And second question, once I start sending hits to a trade, how long should I wait till I expect some back? Or in other words if I haven't seen any return hits in say 10 hours should I drop the trade? or 24 hours or what?

Any other trading tips would be appreciated.

Cheers again,
Dave

Sickthing · 10-25-2005, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

I wouldn't be much help. I never learned Style Sheets.

Okay

I think it's time I said who promised but never delievered. Maybe some kind of mix up but sent dozen emails with no response. They were recommended in this thread. Seemed like a very useful bunch. I never got the banners I paid for either. Hopefully they will see this and let me know what happened. It was TGP Factory.

08-30-2005, 07:38 AM	#507
babydred Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: I'm EVERYWHERE! Posts: 497	Thanks ZZ...it wasn't just what would be installed...i also compared offers at similiar prices (bandwidth, disk space, etc.). Phatserver looks good also! Thanks. I'll be looking for a dedicated server once i get to 10 to 20k a day. btw, does this tut also works with thumb MGPs as well? __________________ New niche? Last edited by babydred; 08-30-2005 at 07:39 AM..

09-01-2005, 05:28 PM	#512
babydred Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: I'm EVERYWHERE! Posts: 497	Thanks for the tip on ATCIHosting! Their first virtual host package is half the cost of HighCountryHostings second package...and they both have the same HD and BW. Someone mentioned them to me before...forgot i had them bookmarked. __________________ New niche?

09-06-2005, 10:52 AM	#514
BlackElf Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: email: exhelp(AT)bibar\|DOT\|com Posts: 1,171	Well this will give me something to read __________________ exhelp AT bibar \| DOT \| com (please include your ICQ when emailing me) What ppl say about BlackElf

09-12-2005, 07:49 PM	#517
sevent1 Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 80	this just the kind of thread i was looking..great info __________________ X

09-19-2005, 01:17 AM	#520
StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	so zz, you gonna make a traffic trading tutorial or what? __________________ Refer Cam Girls and Take Home 10% of Everything They Make For Life

08-30-2005, 09:31 AM	#509
goob Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5	I've gotta say, this thread has been heaps informative. I hope to start a TGP in the next few days here and truth be told, this was the thread that got me interested in doing so! Thank you!

09-18-2005, 10:00 AM	#519
smoothballs Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 151	I'm having big problems trying to get scripts like comus run on my server, dont think they allow msqldatabase to be connected to a host outside their network! think I need to change hosts!

09-19-2005, 06:24 PM	#521
illusion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 254	traffic trading tutorial would be nice __________________ Randy - ICQ: 219843016

09-27-2005, 11:31 PM	#524
zzgundamnzz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,102	bump __________________

09-28-2005, 12:35 AM	#525
Babesex Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 152	great info.. my tgp coming soon :D __________________ http://www.babesex.org $25/month, PR Hardlink on 2 PR4, 7 PR3, and 2 PR2 sites 219-597-717 / dtysites at gmail dot com

10-10-2005, 10:44 AM	#527
zzgundamnzz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,102	Going to bump this so it doesn't go into the abyss. __________________

10-10-2005, 11:40 PM	#528
Al Gomez Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6	Brother, I will pay you for a traffic trading tutorial. Whaddya say?

10-12-2005, 07:16 PM	#530
Dave S Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 26	Fantastic thread zz. I hope you are making a load of cash from the ref codes cos you deserve it. I'm currently in the process of making a TGP based on your plan. I do have a question though, whats the best way to deal with the different sized thumbs that you use on your TGP? Do you have seperate categories for the larger thumbs or what? And are the larger ones selected and cropped by hand each day or did you just feed a load of gals in and auto thumb them? Cheers foe this thread, any attempts to do it without your help would have failed I'm sure. I/m not that confident about the traffic trading side but I guess I will cross that bridge once the site is ready. Dave

10-14-2005, 05:56 AM	#532
Sickthing Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 164	Hi zzgundamnzz, I setup a TGP site at www.nudeteenyphoto.com. Had a page designed for me with the promise to help me get started. I guess I should have paid after I got that help. They didn't even give me the banners I paid for. I should probably say who but not for now.... Grrrrrrrrr The hosting guy tried to help me and just as I was about to grasp it, i realized the site was prepared with style sheets. If you ever get some time ICQ me to see if you can help me get started. I'm the kind of person that usually once I see how it works, I can take it from there. It's a lot to ask, so it's okay if I don't hear from you. Thanks, Sickthing ICQ = 302797780 __________________ Your Cams ICQ: 130153 Thanks, Sickthing!

10-14-2005, 07:42 AM	#533
Argonaut Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 149	really good posts, thanks guys

10-14-2005, 12:21 PM	#534
Dave S Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 26	Cheers ZZ

10-16-2005, 12:57 PM	#536
Deccyphernet Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ca/USA Posts: 3	Hi Thanks for the great tutorial i think i will use something sililar for one of my new sites and see if it takes off

10-19-2005, 12:47 PM	#537
ballistix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 127	Hey gundamn, Thanks for the great tut I've been wanting to get a TGP going for a while now and have spent countless hours researching it. I wish I found your post earlier, it would have saved me a ton of sleepless nights lol. A few Q's if you don't mind.... 1. I noticed on the TTT site that they have a PHP and a C version. Which one should I go with, does it make a difference? And on the same note is TTT a good enough free script? 2. From what I've picked up reading through this entire thread is that it's better to go with a specific niche than a broad TGP. Any words of wisdom as to what niches are converting well? 3. In the thread you make mention of traffic-for-sale.com, how is their traffic? I know it's a bit of a misnomer question, but is it good enough to get the ball rolling on the trades? 4. I know this is like asking how long is a piece of string, but ideally how much traffic should one purchase initially and over how many days should you spread it? 5. I've had a look at findtrades.com and was just wondering what size TGP's to target for trades, is it worth going after the 0 - 5k trades? How many trades should I look at getting going with the initial traffic? 6. And lastly setting up the trades. I take it I sign up for the trade via the link at findtrades and then add the sites corresponding info to TTT? Sorry, I know I've asked a bunch of questions here, but like I said, I'm big on research and I'll probably have a lot more lol. I'd really like to thank you again, and I'll definitely keep you updated on the progress I'm making. Cheers!

10-19-2005, 02:54 PM	#539
ballistix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 127	Dynamix, Thanks for the response, it ALL helped a stack! I'm glad you mentioned Linkwhore, I saw a thread on them while doing some research. I was wondering if I shouldn't try using them while I get everything in order and then purchase some traffic if need be. So you reckon it works for you? Say for interests sake that by using them I can get it to average out at 2k a day, how do I then take it to the next level? Just start setting up more trades?.... In gundamn's scenario of starting off with some bought traffic, he says to only force for 24 hours and then let TTT take over. Would it work the same with something like Linkwhore or would I then leave the forces in place for longer? What's classified as a 'good' trade and how long do I let a trade run before I decide if it's good or needs to be dumped? If you were working on a 65% skim, is there a ratio as to how many trades you can have according to your traffic? And lastly, considering this thread was started more than a year ago, is there still a market for TGP's. I know it's not going to make me rich, but will it keep the fridge stocked with beer? Thanks again, this place rocks

10-20-2005, 03:04 PM	#540
ballistix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 127	Oh, and BTW, how do you setup different skims per table? Thanks as always.

10-20-2005, 08:51 PM	#541
ChrisAnubis Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,263	Damn, ZZ, Good to see your thread still getting bumped and good info coming out of it. This is the thread that got me into the Adult website biz. Although right now I only have time to update my blog (after reading some depressing info on starting a TGP nowadays), I decided to go with a blog to begin with. I've made a few sales within the last month and 1/2, and realize that it is going to take a couple more sites to get things going great like I would like them to. (A TGP will likely be on the horizon, when I get the time to sit down and work on it) Congrats on getting new people interested and getting them going. And for everyone now looking into this industry, good luck to you. __________________ I'm still making money with Mayor's Money, Pimproll & jaYMan Cash . Thunder-Ball.net - Member ICQ:276-917-507

10-21-2005, 03:18 PM	#542
Dynamix G F Y not Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MN Posts: 2,910	To answer your questions.. To go up past 2k (the traffic from LinkWhore) you really have to depend on stable trades. If you continue to add quality trades, feed out poor trades, and submit your site to linkdumps, you'll grow steadily. You can boost this by buying feeder traffic, but use caution -- you only want HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE traffic, like that sold by Traffic-Out. Just random hits won't help build your trades and grow your site. First and foremost, you have to "be selling what they're buying" - meaning add content to your site that surfers will come back to day and day again. Update your thumbs and add galleries often. Set Comus to rotate them each day, and not more often than that.. nobody checks back to porn sites every ten minutes for new porn. If you think of your favorite TGP's from before you got into the industry - or even now - think of what made you return to them.. maybe it was a free movie clip each day, maybe it was a blurb about the webmaster's life (I know that was interesting to me when I saw it on Sublime Directory), maybe it was quality thumbs, etc. "Good trades" are those that are productive. If you login to TTT or your favorite trade script, you should see a ton of numbers, but most importantly the ratio of clicks per visitor, or productivity. The higher the percentage the better.. 130-150%+ is excellent. Let the trade run as long as you like.. use your own judgement.. maybe they're having a bad day, maybe a slow start with your site.. if for say 3-4 days you don't see any hits, or very low productivity, ditch it - replace it with 2 or 3 new trades. Repeat ;) As far as skimming goes, be smart. A surfer won't come back if all they get is trades. If you're skimming 65% that means only 35% of clicks are getting to galleries, and your surfers are most likely getting frustrated. If you do plan to skim 65%, make sure you have a ton of trades (20-40?) - you don't want them going to the same 5 trades every 5 clicks. To change the skimming percentage on a table-by-table basis, you need to edit a few things. First, the skim settings for Thumb and Text links in Comus (Settings>Thumb/Text Links). For me, the options are #'s 57 and 64. Let's say your standard TTT prefix is: /cgi-bin/ttt-out?pct=65&url= Change the percent to %lshave% and %tshave% for links and thumbs, respectively. /cgi-bin/ttt-out?pct=%lshave%&url= for setting #57 /cgi-bin/ttt-out?pct=%tshave%&url= for setting #64 Now you have to edit your Comus page template so that the skim setting is set in the macros. I use Plural Macros for my template, if you don't - you should ;) PHP Code: `<table border=0 width=500>{{THUMBS#60#all-thumbs-7-4-query-age1}} </table>` THUMBS is just a label, best to leave it as THUMBS or TEXTLINKS 60 is the skim percentage all-thumbs is the category to pull from 7-4 is the number of thumbs to pull - 4 rows of 7 each. query-age1 just tells comus where to pull from, you can change it to age2 for yesterday's, age3, etc. In my own experience, TGP's weren't the way to go - for me at least. I don't have the patience nor the energy to constantly update trades and galleries, content and links. If you do, then stick to it.. the money's there, but it's nowhere near what it used to be. Use simple math to forecast your earnings: *(# Hits daily) (Productivity / 100) * ([100-Skim]/100) * (Tour Ratio) (Conversion Ratio) (# Days In Month) * (Sponsor Payout) I know it may not seem simple, but it is. I'll explain: # Hits Daily is obviously the size of your site. We'll use 2,000 for this example. Productivity/100 is the decimal version of how many clicks you're getting. Let's say you're at 110% overall productivity, the decimal is 1.1. This means your site is seeing 2,200 clicks each day. 100 - Skim is the decimal percentage of clicks that are getting to galleries. Since you mentioned 65%, we'll use that. 35% of your clicks are getting to galleries, so this value is 0.35. Multiply 2,200 clicks by 0.35 and you'll see that 770 clicks are getting to your galleries. Tour Ratio is how many surfers at your galleries click the "See More" links - let's estimate a generous 10%, or 0.10, since most surfers just want free porn. Multiply 770 by 0.10 and 77 surfers get to your join page. Multiply that number by your conversion ratio. This will vary from sponsor to sponsor, but I think a healthy industry average is 1 in 400, meaning for every 400 people that get to the join page, 1 signs up. 1 divided by 400 is 0.25%, or 0.0025. Multiply 77 by this number, resulting in 0.1925. That means that on average, 0.1925 people are signing up. Multiply this by the number of days in the month (31 for October) and you get 5.9675. Lastly, multiply this number by your sponsor payout - let's say $35 per join, a relatively average payout. Assuming my calculations are correct, you could be making $208 per month. Now of course each value will vary - your productivity could be horribly worse, your conversation ratio could be significantly better. __________________ TGPFactory Full TGP Design & Installation Services** ICQ 250 142 484 · AIM TGPDynamix · Email: patrick (at) tgpfactory (dot) com See who I am at AdultWhosWho.com!

10-22-2005, 07:06 AM	#543
ballistix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 127	Dynamix, Thanks, you and ZZ have been a tremedous help! I would just like to clarify something quick. It's my understanding that if I set my skim to 65, that 65% goes to GALLERIES and 35% to trades? As per your explanation it's the other way around.... And then lastly, what is the benefit of using plural macros? And if I do use them how do I set cellspacing etc or does comus do that automatically. Thanks again

10-23-2005, 09:01 AM	#544
Martin3 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,529	Sweet guide Read it about a month ago and it had me thinking.... well now my site is launched www.tightteenz.com Comus and Arrow Trader Light III Webair virtual hosting Just bought 20k worth of feeder traffic, start up cost was low, domain registration, $20/month for hosting, both script of the free versions for now. Still tinkering around with some graphics though. We'll see how it goes, productivity for the first week has been around 300-400% About to go back and review all 11 pages and see if I missed anything Last edited by Martin3; 10-23-2005 at 09:02 AM..

10-24-2005, 12:17 PM	#547
zzgundamnzz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,102	And a very big Thank You to Dynamix for helping out

10-24-2005, 07:37 PM	#549
Dave S Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 26	Another bump for this legendary thread... Just thought I would keep people informed of my progress as nobody else seems to have made any success or failure stories and it would be interesting to see what happens. I've just finished setting up comus and galleries and so on, my site still looks a little on the rough side but I've bought a little traffic (20k) for testing and set up a few pretty random trades. I'm running comus 2% skim and TTT-C on a virtual plan. www.filthydevil.com/tgp.shtml Anyway, 2 questions at this point. In comus should I have "first click to galleries" set to 1? My skim is set as follows. All normal sized thumbs are 65% skim Big thumbs are 100% skim in hall of fame 90% in today and yesterdat 90% 2 days ago Does that should like a good place to start? And second question, once I start sending hits to a trade, how long should I wait till I expect some back? Or in other words if I haven't seen any return hits in say 10 hours should I drop the trade? or 24 hours or what? Any other trading tips would be appreciated. Cheers again, Dave