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Varius 01-17-2005 09:24 AM

Casino strategy to win $1000 easily, can you see any flaws?
 
I have no idea why, but I woke up thinking about roulette (a game I never played).

The thought was this:

Table limits - $1000 min, $100000 max (do such tables exist?)

Pick your color, red or black.

Bet $1000 on that color. If you lose, bet double the amount, again on that color. If you lose, bet double on that color again. Keep doing this until your color comes up and you win $1000 overall.

Example, let's say you pick black and black hits on the 5th bet:

turn1: -$1000
turn2: -$2000
turn3: -$4000
turn4: -$8000
turn5: +$16000
-------------------
total: +$1000

Now if the table max is $100,000 that means you can only get 7 turns though (your 7th bet will be $64000).

I'd say your odds on hitting your color in 7 turns are almost as good as you can get though compared to any casino game. If there are tables with $1000 min and higher max, then you can get maybe an 8th or 9th turn as well.

The two issues I see with this theory are the following:

1) You have to have enough cash to keep doubling
2) You can still lose if your color never comes up in 7+ turns

What do you guys think ?

Basic_man 01-17-2005 09:26 AM

It sounds too easy !!! Pretty sure there is something wrong in this !

psili 01-17-2005 09:26 AM

Isn't there some odd color on the roulette wheel that skews the odds against that method?

pornRefinery 01-17-2005 09:28 AM

Exactly for this reason there are always table limits :)

pornRefinery 01-17-2005 09:30 AM

You will win in the beginning but end up losing everything you got :2 cents: AT LEAST if you think you have a system... I've seen people who wait for 3 or 4 blacks or reds to come out in a row and only then start betting against it. There are many ways to go about it, and I can tell you that everyone who plays the game has some sort of a winning system. Problem is, most of the times it ends up being a very advanced LOSING SYSTEM for most people :) :thumbsup

Marcgoldie22 01-17-2005 09:31 AM

Most tables have a green Zero and Double Zero space, so your odds are actually less than 50/50, they are more like about a 42% chance you'll win with just guessing a color. So, while in 7 turns you are still likely to hit it once, there is plenty of chance you won't too. But I'd love to try it and see how it worked out!

evanmorgan 01-17-2005 09:31 AM

well of course, but you have to have nerves of steel and a massive bank roll. I tried a system like that on the greyhounds once, just back the favourite until it wins, keep doubling your stake and adding your previous losses or something. It won at first, but i had one night where 7 in a row didnt win, by the 8th i had no money left......

Ev

DarkJedi 01-17-2005 09:32 AM

Just don't try this online.
Their software will fuck you up :1orglaugh

Twe Russ 01-17-2005 09:33 AM

This is the exact strategy I use, I pick a color before I go inside and never change my
decision. The thing is, you can be taken for a long ride, so make sure you come with
alot of money if you are hoping to hit it.

I went from:

50.00 on black - lost
100.00 on black - lost
200.00 on black - lost
400.00 on black - lost
800.00 on black - lost
1,600.00 on black - lost

I didnt have enough to double up so i was taken for over 3k

DarkJedi 01-17-2005 09:38 AM

In theory, it works, but most casinos put low limits on roulette tables for this very reason.

Also, with roulette, if the house has ANY way of rigging the outcome of a spin, you can bet yer ass they will do it when a huge amount of $ is on the line. so it may just be more likely than not to "spin" red 15 times in a row, if you get my drift.

evanmorgan 01-17-2005 09:40 AM

you have to remember it isnt dependant on each other so your probability doesnt rise.

Some wheels have one non black or red slot, some have 2.

With 1 non red or black slot there is 48.64864 chance that you will win

Kard63 01-17-2005 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili
Isn't there some odd color on the roulette wheel that skews the odds against that method?

Yep, 0, and 00 are green.


Table limits too.

studio 01-17-2005 09:41 AM

That will not work! You will lose your ass and the farm... There is only one system that will beat the wheel... and that is not it...

vapewiz 01-17-2005 09:41 AM

I'd rather play a game where i get to think a little and have more control over winning like poker or blackjack vs. a ball rolling around a wheel and randomly falling on a color or number. There is a reason why roulette has the worst odds of any casino game.

Pornopat 01-17-2005 09:42 AM

On the long run you will lose. With or without a table limit.A matter of mathematiacs and odds.

studio 01-17-2005 09:44 AM

I have been thinking of doing a site to teach the only system that will work... would your guys promote it?

simple simon 01-17-2005 09:47 AM

1 word


GREEN :1orglaugh

EZRhino 01-17-2005 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi
In theory, it works, but most casinos put low limits on roulette tables for this very reason.

Also, with roulette, if the house has ANY way of rigging the outcome of a spin, you can bet yer ass they will do it when a huge amount of $ is on the line. so it may just be more likely than not to "spin" red 15 times in a row, if you get my drift.

I dont think that casinos have to rig anyting to get your money even if a lot is at stake. The house edge will almost always win out. These "beat the house" type of schemes is what keeps them in business. Its all about quitting while your ahead.

pradaboy 01-17-2005 09:47 AM

I have played this system in the casino a few times, just to try it out.

Results were not good, roulette is too much of an unpredictable game to do this. I ended up with a fucked system as it hit 11 times black in a row :2 cents:

Battuss 01-17-2005 09:47 AM

better chance is giving hanjobs behind the casino for nickels

Wizzo 01-17-2005 09:48 AM

I'm willing to bet if you talked to a casino, they would let you go over 100k mark... because at some point the 0 would get you... :winkwink:

Kevsh 01-17-2005 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius
I have no idea why, but I woke up thinking about roulette (a game I never played).

The thought was this:

Table limits - $1000 min, $100000 max (do such tables exist?)

Pick your color, red or black.

Bet $1000 on that color. If you lose, bet double the amount, again on that color. If you lose, bet double on that color again. Keep doing this until your color comes up and you win $1000 overall.

Example, let's say you pick black and black hits on the 5th bet:

turn1: -$1000
turn2: -$2000
turn3: -$4000
turn4: -$8000
turn5: +$16000
-------------------
total: +$1000

Now if the table max is $100,000 that means you can only get 7 turns though (your 7th bet will be $64000).

I'd say your odds on hitting your color in 7 turns are almost as good as you can get though compared to any casino game. If there are tables with $1000 min and higher max, then you can get maybe an 8th or 9th turn as well.

The two issues I see with this theory are the following:

1) You have to have enough cash to keep doubling
2) You can still lose if your color never comes up in 7+ turns

What do you guys think ?


This does NOT work... trust me on this.

A few years ago one of my brilliant friends tried this exact thing and nearly lost his shirt. He started at $5 and after a few wins it went black (he was betting red obviously) for something like 9 times in a row. When you do the math that was $2500 approx he had on the table.

Theories like this always sound good on paper, but in reality each roll/game is 50/50 red/black (ok, not exactly 50/50 with the 2 green squares) ... so the odds of it going red or black 9 or 10 times in a row isn't nearly as hard as the math would suggest.

Just walk around a few roulette tables one night and you'll see it going one way 6,7,8 times in a row pretty frequently.

The ONLY way to do this is to have a HUGE bankroll when you start and begin with a $5 bet .. that way if it goes 10 in a row against you, you have at least $5000+ ready. The logic of the casino is, no one with $5-10K available is going to waste time on $5 bets...

mrgica 01-17-2005 09:52 AM

What an dumb ass idiot,
on some tables there is no maximum bet so it would make you strategy even better right?
The only thing is that one color can come up 15-20 times or why not 30 times. there have been wise guys losing millions on that strategy.

That's the oldest strategy in the gambling bizz, thank you genius!

Tipsy 01-17-2005 09:53 AM

FAR too high a chance of hitting a long losing streak of the wrong colour. The theory sounds good until you start multiplying things by two for long enough. You'd need more or less an infinite bank roll for this to make a profit over any length of time.

hyper 01-17-2005 09:53 AM

play the thirds

$100 1st 3rd
$100 2nd 3rd
pays 2 to 1 so u get $200 + $100 = $300

play the opposite if where the ball lands on the previous spin

chowda 01-17-2005 09:54 AM

try it out, i was scream double 0 at the mgm during internext and ppl loved it

mrgica 01-17-2005 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevsh
This does NOT work... trust me on this.

A few years ago one of my brilliant friends tried this exact thing and nearly lost his shirt. He started at $5 and after a few wins it went black (he was betting red obviously) for something like 9 times in a row. When you do the math that was $2500 approx he had on the table.

Theories like this always sound good on paper, but in reality each roll/game is 50/50 red/black (ok, not exactly 50/50 with the 2 green squares) ... so the odds of it going red or black 9 or 10 times in a row isn't nearly as hard as the math would suggest.

Just walk around a few roulette tables one night and you'll see it going one way 6,7,8 times in a row pretty frequently.

The ONLY way to do this is to have a HUGE bankroll when you start and begin with a $5 bet .. that way if it goes 10 in a row against you, you have at least $5000+ ready. The logic of the casino is, no one with $5-10K available is going to waste time on $5 bets...

Of course it not work, how smart you have to be to invent strategy like that. Like I said thats the oldest strategy in the bizz. Only newbies are still inventing it. :1orglaugh

Tipsy 01-17-2005 09:58 AM

There's a version where you only set out to make $x per roll that's more effective but even that suffers from the same problem ie a long losing streak making stakes HUGE.

Here's a question for you...if it were really that simply don't you thing that all the casions would be bankrupt and everyone would be using it? :upsidedow

Amazes me that people think any roulette, be it online or 'real', would need to cheat. The odds are so good for the house especially considering the way many bet that it's far more profitable to be honest. That way you sucker them in with the odd win and they come back for more and more.

studio 01-17-2005 09:58 AM

Sorry Guys, you will lose your ass with this system too...

play the thirds

$100 1st 3rd
$100 2nd 3rd
pays 2 to 1 so u get $200 + $100 = $300

play the opposite if where the ball lands on the previous spin


I'm sorry there is only one system that will work... Will you guys promote the site if I reviel the system in it and have an affiliate program?

ajrocks 01-17-2005 10:00 AM

Table limits kill it!

Varius 01-17-2005 10:01 AM

Thanks for the input guys....I never bothered playing roulette, I stick to Blackjack and Poker, so I've never been witness to a single color hitting 5-10 times in a row.

I know its possible, since each spin your odds are always ~48% (I'm not one fo those thinking if it hit red 3 times it has higher odds to hit black now), but I figrued I'd see what people here think.

Also the key is to stop as soon as you hit it, so you walk away a winner. If you just win once per day, that $1000 isnt too bad for maybe 30 mins of your time.

I figured that casinos must set the table limits according with these kinds of strategies though.

Blackjack is still the best winner for me :winkwink:

dudus 01-17-2005 10:02 AM

Its just stats. The basic bet you suggested boils down to

3 % you lose $32,000

97% you win $1,000

Acutally its a couple of percent worse as its not a true 50:50 bet (the casino has a margin)

Doesn't sound like a bet I'd take.

Also - because of the casino's margin if you replay this bet enough you are guaranteed to lose.

studio 01-17-2005 10:02 AM

Table limits don't affect my system... and you don't need thousands of dollars to use it.

DarkJedi 01-17-2005 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studio
Sorry Guys, you will lose your ass with this system too...

play the thirds

$100 1st 3rd
$100 2nd 3rd
pays 2 to 1 so u get $200 + $100 = $300

play the opposite if where the ball lands on the previous spin


I'm sorry there is only one system that will work... Will you guys promote the site if I reviel the system in it and have an affiliate program?

If you have a system that "works" why do you need to make a site and sell memberships ?

:1orglaugh

mrgica 01-17-2005 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi
If you have a system that "works" why do you need to make a site and sell memberships ?

:1orglaugh

I was thinking the same

DarkJedi 01-17-2005 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudus
Its just stats. The basic bet you suggested boils down to

3 % you lose $32,000

97% you win $1,000

Wrong.
On roulette, you always get a 50/50 chance.

It's very possible to get 20 blacks in a row.
It's always a 50/50 chace.

dcortez 01-17-2005 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius
Casino strategy to win $1000 easily, can you see any flaws?

The problem? Confusing 'statistical probability' with 'certainty'.

eg. One in Fifty could take 10,000 cycles to average out and there is always the chance of a long streak which defies the odds (at least long enough till your wallet is empty).

-Dino

studio 01-17-2005 10:09 AM

Well, it's like this... With the system you win back ever thing you lost, plus a profit of between $67.00 and $103.00 every time you win. You would have to spend a lot of time in the casinos. I use the system when ever I go to Vegas, It paid for my trip to internext. I just feel I could make more with the site...

dudus 01-17-2005 10:09 AM

studio - there is most definitely no system that works with roulette

studio 01-17-2005 10:12 AM

No wonder my post count don't go up... Look at my post counts in this thread...


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