Immigration: Let's say I break into your house...
 

I just received this from a friend :1orglaugh

Recently large demonstrations have taken place
across the country protesting the fact that Congress
is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that
The US might protect its own
borders, might make it harder
to sneak into this country and,
once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand
the thinking behind these protests.
let's say I break into your house.
let's say that when you discover
me in your house, you insist that I leave.

But I say, 'No! I like it here.
it's better than my house. I've made all
the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry
and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't
like to do. I'm hard-working
and honest
(except for when I broke into your house).

according to the protesters:
You are Required to let me stay in your house
You are Required to feed me
You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
You are Required to Educate my kids
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because
He is also hard-working and honest, except for that
Breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out,
I will call my friends who will picket your
house carrying signs that proclaim my
RIGHT to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have
a nicer house than I do, and I'm just
trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working
and honest, person, except for well,
you know, I did break into your house
and what a deal it is for me!!!

I live in your house, contributing only a
fraction of the cost of my keep, and
there is nothing you can do about it
without being accused of cold, Uncaring,
selfish, prejudiced, and Bigoted behavior.

Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn
MY LANGUAGE!!! So you can
communicate with me.

:angrysoap


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ok fine I'll bite.

Let's say I live in a fake country, ok? this country is ruled by an evil dictator, right. So, me and my fellow countrymen overthrow this dictator, and assume control of the country. Easy enough, right?

Ok, then the US comes in and gives money and training to very bad men. The money comes from selling weapons (bombs) to another country, then funneling that money illegally into my country. Not only do they bring in money, but they train these guys on how to lay landmines. Not militarily strategic placements, no. They lay these landmines outside of villages where thousands of innocent civilians blow up by stepping on them. Still with me? Because in addition to all this, your country also sells cocaine in my country to raise money.

The end result is that my country is left in absolute shambles. It'll take decades to properly fix up.

Have you guessed what country I am from?

To think that an owner should let a tresspasser stay on the property is unreasonable.

However, I read some articles that say in some places in North America there is a rule that says a place of business should give a person water, if the person demands water - because he/she could be dying of thirst.

what if initially, you were the one who had stole the house?

It used to be my house. You took it from me. I'm just moving back in with a few family members.

So without any other argument you have accepted my post as wrong doing, and you are stating your own wrong doings, so therefore two wrongs make a right to you??? So therefore two negatives zero themselves out so you no longer have an opinion... haha joking ... but it does sound like you should start your own thread with this issue...

Wait I thought Spain "raped" that land... :upsidedow

I'm not seeking to gain attention. It just irks me that so many people feel illegal immigration is a clear cut thing.

My mother moved to the states because of how dangerous Nicaragua had become thanks to the US involvement with the Contras. We were wetbacks here for years (16 years to be exact) before we were granted amnesty... basically an apology for fucking up my home country.

The US gives huge subsidies to US farmers, who then sell their food so cheaply south of the border that local farmers are unable to compete, because they do not receive subsidies from their government. So, they lose their farms. What should they do? Lose their farms and work for $2 an hour in their home country, or come here illegally and make much more than that?

I'm not calling America evil. I'm saying that it has major involvement in all this. In the words of Jeremiah Wright, America's "chickens coming home to roost".

lol A+

unless you are a native American which I doubt you are , you are just the first trespasser, and I bet you did not do beds, or laundry etc.

fine, let's hold hands as we both get off our high horses then.

After being robbed and conned out of everything I own, If they need my house cause it's better then where they came from, I'll make room.

I didn't write the above silly story... it was sent to me and it is funny...

I do however know exactly what you are talking about when it comes to sending funds and hand outs to other countries. I have heard the same horrible stories in Africa when certain groups send clothing, food etc... and it enbds up hurting the local economies. If it was up to me we wouldn't send shit anywhere, let people build themselves. There will always be some silly hippie group wanting to enable the world and ends up doing more harm than help because it makes them feel better about themselves. I agree with you and wish I could stop it... :disgust

However, I do, 100%, think there has to be something done about AZ... it's not cut and dry but it seems to be pretty damn cut and dry in Mexico and their border...

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written straight into the history books by the Texas Board of Education right?

With that ideology everyone in Africa and Europe owes their land to some other group of people throughout history, because at one point they were living on "someone else's land" too, you don't believe in evolution do you... :winkwink:

About the house anology... Yeah. No. It's not a house, it's a piece of land with imaginary lines indicating different areas. Nationalism and patriotism are the bane of existence.

HOLY FUCK. YOU SEE MR. COMMIE, 'Merica is #1 because I was born here in this geographical location. YOUR PIECE OF SHIT COUNTRY SUCKS because it is not not this geographical piece of land (and you weren't born here), which I have invested a huge amount of imaginary faith into. You see, this land (the aformentioned ideal piece of land) is #1 because it has a name attahed to it, with certain values and traditions which, again, are attached to a piece of landmass. A piece of landmass that is so much better than your ass backwards piece of shit geographical area. YOUR LAND MASS SUCKS, LEARN TO SPEAK AMERICAN.

That is patriotism. That is Americans in a nutshell.

:pimp

Where is that link you had up before your post insinuating I should shoot myself? Don't hate it’s a fucking debate GEESH...
It's the same thing we went through from England but they fought Spain... (no Texas didn't write the Spaniards into Mexican history... it's been in books since it started in the 1700’s…) GEESH dude what about this historical fact is going to change your political agenda today? If you want free borders does it really matter if Mexico was populated by Spaniards and they weren't the indigenous people you thought they were to the Americas? It’s like you think the Mexicans are what the Indians are to America, that they were the indigenous people, meaning the people who seem to have always been there…









The Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821) was an armed conflict between the people of Mexico and the Spanish colonial authorities which started on 16 September 1810. The Mexican War of Independence movement was led by Mexican-born Spaniards, Mestizos and Amerindians who sought independence from Spain. It started as an idealistic peasants' rebellion against their colonial masters, but finally ended as an unlikely alliance between liberals and conservatives.

It can be said that the struggle for Mexican independence dates back to the decades after the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, when Martín Cortés, son of Hernán Cortés and La Malinche, led a revolt against the Spanish colonial government in order to eliminate the issues of oppression and privileges for the conquistadors.[1]

After the abortive Conspiracy of the Machetes in 1799, the War of Independence led by the Mexican-born Spaniards became a reality. The movement for independence was far from gaining unanimous support among Mexicans, who became divided between independentists, autonomists and royalists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican...f_Independence

Just as we populated from England they populated in parts from Spain, and there is nothing wrong with that... I got a question for ya, let's hear what you think about Quebec speaking French?

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. -Albert Einstein

:2 cents:

Sorry, i didn't mean to insinuate that you should shoot yourself. It was meant to mean... "thread backfire." That being said, ok I take it back. You stirred up a good discussion.

edit... fuck that, no smiley face

I didn't think you really meant that either, I was trying to be mean too... haha

Fair enough... :winkwink: continue the battle... :thumbsup :thumbsup

edit: my smile can stay!!!

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How about legalizing drugs and stop the insanity (just like the violence stopped at the end of Prohibition)

The reality is that people like to party. They like doing coke and smoking pot. It shouldn't be the govt's place to tell us what we can and can't do. People aren't going to stop wanting to do coke and smoke pot. WE are the country with the demand.

What do you expect is going to happen when you make something illegal and make it incredibly profitable by doing so? Make it legal, tax it, let people be FREE to make their own choices in life as an adult.

That way the Mexican workers can still come here and pick our fruit and veggies and do our lawn service just like they have since the beginning of our country.

My family was a major citrus grower in Florida from the 1960's on. My grandfather had over a thousand "wetbacks" picking oranges in the fields. Nobody was bitching about it then.

But now, because WE sent our military down to Columbia in our fucking moralistic "holier than thou" "War On Drugs" (and keep in mind WE are the biggest consumers of these "evil" drugs) and destroyed the Columbian Cartel...WE basically created the new Mexican Cartel.

Once again, OUR bullshit causes problems.

So now the solution is to build a fucking wall like the Soviet Union did across Germany?

I thought that was supposed to be "bad" and "evil" when they did it.

I'm disgusted with the mindset of my own countrymen and women. WTF are you thinking? WE are not supposed to be like Nazi's and the fucking Soviet Union. We are supposed to be FREE and a "beacon of light"

There are a few problems with this analogy. First off, it wouldn't be your house. Most illegals are still here because they keep a low profile and people don't realize they are illegal. So more likely it would be that they broke into the shed you have in your yard that you never go in so you never realized they were there in the first place.

Secondly, illegals don't get a whole lot of free government assistance. They get free healthcare because they can go to the ER and clinics that don't require payment. They can't get food stamps, housing assistance or welfare if they are illegal so much of that stuff comes from churches and charity groups that help them out. Unless, they have a kid once they get here. If they have a kid that kid is a US citizen and then they can likely get assistance for that kid and they can send that kid back to school. This is where the problems set in. People might know the parents are illegal, but the kid isn't so it becomes kind of difficult for then to throw the parents out because, unless the kid wants to stay and has someone who can be a guardian, they are also tossing a US citizen out of the country.

I'm all for immigrant reform. We need to do something. However, it isn't as cut and dried as a lot of people would have you believe.

ding ding ding!

the analogy is lacking some truth, i realise you didn't make this up but i will quote you ..

obviously this is misleading if not plain wrong, nobody is protesting addressing an issue , people are protesting the way it is being addressed.
basically more of the drivel from above, i havent seen anyone saying " don't protect the borders", this sounds much like the "support our troops" drivel we hear, everyone supports the troops , what they mean is , if you dont support every decision we make you must NOT support the troops

would be a much better analogy if you knew they broke in but let them clean the house first in the hopes they would be set free before you deported them :)


most immigrants feed themselves :2 cents: some don't , some americans don't , neither is of any great consequence financially.


again some do , some dont, the amount of income tax collected and never returned to immigrants far far far surpasses any insurance premiums.

hardly much of a bonus :winkwink:


that is about the biggest bullshit i have heard yet, obviously there are alot of factors involved so it is a difficult issue but the majority of immigrants WORK supporting AMERICAN companies , making AMERICANS money, paying AMERICAN taxes. My best laymans guess would be they create way more money than they cost.

Do you see a difference between building a wall to keep people in and a wall to keep people out?

You mean the same propaganda bullshit that the East German govt. fed it's citizens?
Wise up man. We are becoming the very shit we fought against for so long.

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Certain people are angry that
C G E E7
The US might protect its own
C G A F
borders, might make it harder
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to sneak into this country and,
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once here, to stay indefinitely.

bridge: CGFF7

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Let me see if I correctly understand
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the thinking behind these protests.
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let's say I break into your house.
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let's say that when you discover
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me in your house, you insist that I leave.

F#m B A

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But I say, 'No! I like it here.
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it's better than my house. I've made all
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the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry
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and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't
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like to do. I'm hard-working
and honest
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(except for when I broke into your house)

If they were paid properly for the work they did, rather than big food companies paying cents to fruit pickers or builders picking up stupidly cheap illegal labor. You would have a section of the population that is actually pretty honest and hardworking.

Immigration is not necessarily a bad thing, for example I would never expect anyone immigrating to this country, yet there is a plenty of manual workers from Ukraine, and lots of educated workforce (doctors, teachers) from Latin America, lots of Vietnamese shop keepers, to name a couple examples.

Locals are just too spoiled to work those jobs, and usually - the less able they are the more xenophobic.

Of course there's "unwelcomed" immigration, Albanians, Kavkaz people playing a Russian roulette all the time, gypsies from all over the world migrating to the the Europa's welfare heaven etc.

Btw. I was checking recently the Canadian immigration policy, it seemed pretty reasonable and I somehow got a feeling that anyone with half decent qualification, drive and language skills could get his chance. The rules seemed to be very pragmatic.

What is the Canadian experience?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh you Nailed it!

After this brutal raping my brain what are you doing at gfy?

From my experience, I can tell Canadian immigration rules are not these easy as it may appear at the first glance, you should see on it via that fact that mostly people who would want to immigrate for better life they don't have enough education, skills and money, yes, Canadian government requires that. I am applying under new rules and believe me its not easy to score with all the points. Also, about the language, I personally think that those who immigrate on this program can really get better jobs then say illegal immigrants or different Treaty exchange persons. Immigrants who go to Canada they must demonstrate significant education, job history, proof of funds and language skills. Only several things can ease their process, its a job offer or relatives in Canada which is unlikely real.

Still, when you have all those requirements met you come to Canada and get the entry level job because you don't have Canadian experience.

That's how Canada is buying 'noble hearts' for cheap and get the new blood.

what a racist thread

the "used to be our land" crap is just that,... crap. it "used to be" but it aint yours anymore LOL

When by war you take something it is yours. period. end of story. Aztlan is ours now silly mexicans, you gotta fight texas and the big portion of US if you want it back and you lost the first round so doubt you could beat us this time.

Interestingly, Louisiana was never part of Aztlan, so new orleans is off the hook when it comes to the Reconquista war lol

thats is true stuff

I'm glad there are people like you to even out the opinions on the board :thumbsup

I work in the industry? Same as you, I'd imagine.