Does the government REALLY add poisonous flouride to our water supply?

[BFT3K]

The answer in a word: YES

Today, most public drinking water supplies are fluoridated, especially in larger cities. Counting everyone, including those who live in rural areas, about 64 percent of Americans drink fluoridated water.

Story here...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40962808...and_parenting/

[SmokeyTheBear]

those stats are always so hard to figure out

"Fluoride is a mineral that exists naturally in water and soil. Scientists in the early 1940s discovered that people who lived where water supplies naturally had more fluoride also had fewer cavities. Some locales have naturally occurring fluoridation levels above 1.2"

Fluorosis is considered the main downside related to fluoridation.

According to the CDC, nearly 23 percent of children ages 12-15 had fluorosis in a study done in 1986 and 1987. That rose to 41 percent in the more recent study, which covered the years 1999 through 2004.

"We're not necessarily surprised to see this slow rise in mild fluorosis," Dr. William Kohn, director of the CDC's division of oral health, said in a recent interview.

23% up to 41% seems a bit more than a slow rise

[dyna mo]

the government!

[Vendzilla]

The government is killing us off so the healthcare law will work better

[Tom_PM]

Pretty ironic that the article is about them cutting down on the amount of flouride.. because it's damaging kids teeth at current levels!

[Amputate Your Head]

the government is training you to accept chemicals in your drinking water, so that when they start adding other things you will simply say, "it must be good for us".

and it appears to be working perfectly.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

the government is training you to accept chemicals in your drinking water, so that when they start adding other things you will simply say, "it must be good for us".

and it appears to be working perfectly.

it's like when the joker tainted the water supply in that batman movie huh!

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's like when the joker tainted the water supply in that batman movie huh!

i don't know about fictitious movie plots, but this is as real as it gets.

I encourage you to use a filter to remove that shit from your water.

[Mike Honcho]

The Government has been putting fluoride in our water since 1940, this is nothing new.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

i don't know about fictitious movie plots, but this is as real as it gets.

I encourage you to use a filter to remove that shit from your water.

what makes you think i don't? i even use a shower filter to remove fluoride and other contaminates since the skin absorbs that shit quite easily.

[_Richard_]

dasani has no flouride either.. not that it matters, if the city you're in does it, you're getting a healthy dose everyday

[BestXXXPorn]

Who in the hell drinks city water from the tap? LOL

That being said... you do realize it's in most mouthwash and toothpaste right?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Who in the hell drinks city water from the tap? LOL

That being said... you do realize it's in most mouthwash and toothpaste right?

ever notice that you're not supposed to swallow those things?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what makes you think i don't? i even use a shower filter to remove fluoride and other contaminates since the skin absorbs that shit quite easily.

Tons of contaminants are absorbed through the skin when you shower, including the chemicals in your soaps, body washes, and shampoos.

It is impossible to prevent ALL poisons from entering your body, but clean water should be assumed.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Who in the hell drinks city water from the tap? LOL

That being said... you do realize it's in most mouthwash and toothpaste right?

you do realise many drinks you buy are made from city water i.e. it already has flouride in it , including many bottled water.

[Amputate Your Head]

Pro Tip: Boiling your water does not remove the fluoride from it.

[PR_Glen]

yet the average life span in countries that do this keep climbing every year...

oh yeah.. they are poisoning us big time...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

yet the average life span in countries that do this keep climbing every year...

oh yeah.. they are poisoning us big time...

sure, with obesity, divorce rates etc going through the roof

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

yet the average life span in countries that do this keep climbing every year...

oh yeah.. they are poisoning us big time...

how exactly do you attribute longer life spans to fluoride use?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

sure, with obesity, divorce rates etc going through the roof

Divorce rates have been steady or declining for a number of years now I believe.

[u-Bob]

<--- only drinks bottled water.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Tons of contaminants are absorbed through the skin when you shower, including the chemicals in your soaps, body washes, and shampoos.

It is impossible to prevent ALL poisons from entering your body, but clean water should be assumed.

your point?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

<--- only drinks bottled water.

congrats, you are contributing to one of the biggest pollution nightmares ever.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

yet the average life span in countries that do this keep climbing every year...

oh yeah.. they are poisoning us big time...

Non Sequitur...

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

how exactly do you attribute longer life spans to fluoride use?

Well if the goverment is trying to poison its citizens with things like Fluoride and Vaccines, yet everyone is living longer, it makes the whole plan pretty ineffective at best.

Do you honestly believe that "the goverment" is some giant continuing body working only in its own best interests? You think when a new President is elected the the old one takes him aside and gives him a little talking to?

President Bush: "There's a few things we need to talk about. We're trying to knock off all our citizens, have been for quite awhile actually. You're in the club now buddy so you have to keep it up!"

President Obama: "Sounds good, let's fuck everyone over. I'm in!"

Your basic assumptions are absurd so everything that follows is fruit of the poisonous tree. You might consider taking some classes in your free time at the local community college on Scientific Method. Might change your whole ignorant outlook on things. Probably not though.

[Tom_PM]

I've never drank bottled water before. Tap water is about 300ppm, filtered it's <10ppm here.

It's all perspective! By forcing you to live longer, you're being prevented from the eternal bliss of paradise which awaits! Dastardly deeds! hehe

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

the government is training you to accept chemicals in your drinking water, so that when they start adding other things you will simply say, "it must be good for us".

and it appears to be working perfectly.

and they keep going further and further...

2 years ago, professors were calling for the addition of lithium to the water supply
because it stabilizes people with mood disorders...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Divorce rates have been steady or declining for a number of years now I believe.

up in Australia, down everywhere else and that's linked to the economy. Overall happiness issue is the point i was badly trying to make

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well if the goverment is trying to poison its citizens with things like Fluoride and Vaccines, yet everyone is living longer, it makes the whole plan pretty ineffective at best.

Do you honestly believe that "the goverment" is some giant continuing body working only in its own best interests? You think when a new President is elected the the old one takes him aside and gives him a little talking to?

President Bush: "There's a few things we need to talk about. We're trying to knock off all our citizens, have been for quite awhile actually. You're in the club now buddy so you have to keep it up!"

President Obama: "Sounds good, let's fuck everyone over. I'm in!"

Your basic assumptions are absurd so everything that follows is fruit of the poisonous tree. You might consider taking some classes in your free time at the local community college on Scientific Method. Might change your whole ignorant outlook on things. Probably not though.

why do you assume the poisoning is intended to "kill off" the population? Might there not be other goals? seems to me you are the one making ridiculous basic assumptions, as evidenced by this little story you've concocted. Show me one piece of evidence that fluoride contributes to a longer life span and maybe i'll take you seriously for more than half a second.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well if the goverment is trying to poison its citizens with things like Fluoride and Vaccines,

speaking of vaccines http://www.wfaa.com/news/health/kids...113078384.html

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Do you honestly believe that "the goverment" is some giant continuing body working only in its own best interests? You think when a new President is elected the the old one takes him aside and gives him a little talking to?

A couple of months ago there was an interesting documentary on the History Chanel about a Jewish woman living in Nazi-Germany. To survive she pretended to be Aryan and married a Nazi officer. To get an id, she took some falsified papers to a local government office, where some bureaucrat reviewed everything. That bureaucrat had the power to decide who lived ad who died... the only thing he had to do was approve or deny an application.

After the war, she wanted to reclaim her old/true identity. She took her real documents (diploma's etc) to the same government office... and guess what. That bureaucrat still had the same job...

The state is a complex structure... Not everyone is replaced every 4 or 5 years. Not everyone needs to know everything, not everyone knows everything... If you want to control things or influence things you only need the right people in the right places....

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

why do you assume the poisoning is intended to "kill off" the population? Might there not be other goals? seems to me you are the one making ridiculous basic assumptions, as evidenced by this little story you've concocted. Show me one piece of evidence that fluoride contributes to a longer life span and maybe i'll take you seriously for more than half a second.

Okay so what does this "poison" do?

I never said that fluoride contributes to a longer life span, just that life spans are getting longer. Correlation does not necessarily equal causation.

The point is that if people are living longer, healthier lives DESPITE this apparent long-term gonverment conspiracy to control and "poison" the people at every opportunity.

Anyway, enjoy your paranoid delusions. You seem to find comfort in them as if you know something that everybody else has missed. I guess if that's what it takes.

[u-Bob]

Lithium:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8025454.stm
http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/lithi...water-supply/#
http://current.com/entertainment/com...ng-concept.htm

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

A couple of months ago there was an interesting documentary on the History Chanel about a Jewish woman living in Nazi-Germany. To survive she pretended to be Aryan and married a Nazi officer. To get an id, she took some falsified papers to a local government office, where some bureaucrat reviewed everything. That bureaucrat had the power to decide who lived ad who died... the only thing he had to do was approve or deny an application.

After the war, she wanted to reclaim her old/true identity. She took her real documents (diploma's etc) to the same government office... and guess what. That bureaucrat still had the same job...

The state is a complex structure... Not everyone is replaced every 4 or 5 years. Not everyone needs to know everything, not everyone knows everything... If you want to control things or influence things you only need the right people in the right places....

Sure, but do you think the guy that processes paperwork in Germany sets policy? Has any real control?

See, the fundamental flaw with the argument that "the goverment" is some shadowy organization working together for a common goal on a long-term time is that it involves people. People always work for THEIR best interests, and those change with people and time. That is to say that if somebody in control 100 years ago had an secret agenda, there's no reason to believe that the people in control 100 years later would share that agenda. In fact, it's ridiculous to believe they would.

So yeah, when you start talking about goverment "programs" spanning literally decades (vaccines and fluorination for instance) as being super secret conspiracies to control and or poision the popluation, it just sounds silly. Actually, it doesn't just sound silly, it is silly.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Okay so what does this "poison" do?

I never said that fluoride contributes to a longer life span, just that life spans are getting longer. Correlation does not necessarily equal causation.

The point is that if people are living longer, healthier lives DESPITE this apparent long-term gonverment conspiracy to control and "poison" the people at every opportunity.

Anyway, enjoy your paranoid delusions. You seem to find comfort in them as if you know something that everybody else has missed. I guess if that's what it takes.

rather than enter into a time-consuming and pointless back & forth with you, I would simply present you with this:

Would you not agree that cigarette tobacco smoking is a form of poison? (I will assume your answer is yes.)

Is cigarette tobacco legal? (again, I will assume your response will be a yes.)

Is it not true that a person can smoke their entire life and not die from it? (again....)

Are life spans longer in the US even though we would both agree that it is a poison?

How can this be? Cigarettes are poison, yet people are able to use it their entire life without dropping dead from the first smoke, AND life spans are still longer.... how can this be? The point is that if people are living longer, healthier lives DESPITE this apparent long-term tobacco company conspiracy to control and "poison" the people at every opportunity.

Thus, cigarettes must be good for you and all the anti-smoking railing against them is just paranoid delusion. Correct?

Wake up dude. Just because it doesn't kill you on the spot does not lead to the conclusion that it's not a poison. The fact is fluoride IS a poison. Arguing that fact is stupid. The other fact is that is IS being put into the water. So what other conclusion can we possibly come to. The government is poisoning the water, end of story.

[Cam94]

hitler was the first one to add fluoride to the water supply. He gave it to the jews in concentration camps to make them docile and to try and make them sterile. Wake up bro read some history alot is goin around u u have no idea about

[dyna mo]

You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Cam94

hitler was the first one to add fluoride to the water supply. He gave it to the jews in concentration camps to make them docile and to try and make them sterile. Wake up bro read some history alot is goin around u u have no idea about

This.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

rather than enter into a time-consuming and pointless back & forth with you, I would simply present you with this:

Would you not agree that cigarette tobacco smoking is a form of poison? (I will assume your answer is yes.)

Is cigarette tobacco legal? (again, I will assume your response will be a yes.)

Is it not true that a person can smoke their entire life and not die from it? (again....)

Are life spans longer in the US even though we would both agree that it is a poison?

How can this be? Cigarettes are poison, yet people are able to use it their entire life without dropping dead from the first smoke, AND life spans are still longer.... how can this be? The point is that if people are living longer, healthier lives DESPITE this apparent long-term tobacco company conspiracy to control and "poison" the people at every opportunity.

Thus, cigarettes must be good for you and all the anti-smoking railing against them is just paranoid delusion. Correct?

Wake up dude. Just because it doesn't kill you on the spot does not lead to the conclusion that it's not a poison. The fact is fluoride IS a poison. Arguing that fact is stupid. The other fact is that is IS being put into the water. So what other conclusion can we possibly come to. The government is poisoning the water, end of story.

Sigh. Of course Nicotine is a poison. Take too much of it and you will most CERTAINLY die on the spot from it. It's actually a very potent poison. On top of that, there are many carcinogenic substances in cigarettes. So yes bravo we agree that cigarettes are both poisonous and legal.

There's plenty of substances that fall in to that category. People WILLINGLY consume Ethanol all the time, and that's a poison too! Not as toxic as nicotine, but a substance that's processed only by the Liver and is absolutely a poison. In fact your metabolism drops pretty much everything else to get right to work on removing it from your system as fast as it can.

The difference is that this isn't a subversive plot like you conclude adding fluorine to water is. Remember your words here, not mine.

the government is training you to accept chemicals in your drinking water, so that when they start adding other things you will simply say, "it must be good for us".

The fact that people knowingly consume these posions, yet still live longer does not mean these poisons make you live longer. That's what is meant when you say "Correlation does not equal causation". The facts are smokers live longer today than smokers did in the past. Same with drinkers. Non smokers and non drinkers live even longer. This is because of improvements in sanitation, food supply and Medical Science.

In order for us to accept your position that Fluoride is being added WITH MALICE to the water, then we have to accept that Medical Science, on a whole, is in on it. If we accept that we run in to a logical problem. On one hand science is working hard to help us live longer fuller lives, but on the other hand it's also contributing to a shadowy "poisoning" of the population.

See this is where you're making a logical leap but your logic is faulty. You're arguing the flouride is being forced on everyone, with a conspiratoral motive, to condition the population. The overwhelming majority of Medical Science does not support your position. It's simply something that fits in to your "fuck the man" World views which are very obvious in your posts.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Sure, but do you think the guy that processes paperwork in Germany sets policy? Has any real control?

He had the power over life and death... By determining what papers to stamp and what papers to reject, he diced who lived and who was sent to the concentration camps.

Did he have any control over the entire Nazi State or German army? No.... but in the end that doesn't matter. He had enough power to accomplish evil things...

Originally Posted by WarChild

See, the fundamental flaw with the argument that "the goverment" is some shadowy organization working together for a common goal on a long-term time is that it involves people. People always work for THEIR best interests, and those change with people and time. That is to say that if somebody in control 100 years ago had an secret agenda, there's no reason to believe that the people in control 100 years later would share that agenda. In fact, it's ridiculous to believe they would.

People do work for THEIR best interests... And that's why some low level congressman or member of parliament (or any politician for that mater) won't really oppose the expansion of government power. Because he hopes to some day gain control over that power. To work for HIS interests.

Like I said, the State is a complex structure... Lot's off different people working towards THEIR OWN ends, trying to accomplish THEIR goals. The only thing they have in common is that they all work towards expanding the power of the State. Power that can and eventually will be abused... abused by people working for THEIR best interests.

The State exists, the system that exerts control over others exists... If people are working within that system to accomplish THEIR own goals, what makes you think no one is working within that system to accomplish his own elitist/criminal/insane/religious/psychopathic goals?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Sigh. Of course Nicotine is a poison. Take too much of it and you will most CERTAINLY die on the spot from it. It's actually a very potent poison. On top of that, there are many carcinogenic substances in cigarettes. So yes bravo we agree that cigarettes are both poisonous and legal.

There's plenty of substances that fall in to that category. People WILLINGLY consume Ethanol all the time, and that's a poison too! Not as toxic as nicotine, but a substance that's processed only by the Liver and is absolutely a poison. In fact your metabolism drops pretty much everything else to get right to work on removing it from your system as fast as it can.

The difference is that this isn't a subversive plot like you conclude adding fluorine to water is. Remember your words here, not mine.



The fact that people knowingly consume these posions, yet still live longer does not mean these poisons make you live longer. That's what is meant when you say "Correlation does not equal causation". The facts are smokers live longer today than smokers did in the past. Same with drinkers. Non smokers and non drinkers live even longer. This is because of improvements in sanitation, food supply and Medical Science.

In order for us to accept your position that Fluoride is being added WITH MALICE to the water, then we have to accept that Medical Science, on a whole, is in on it. If we accept that we run in to a logical problem. On one hand science is working hard to help us live longer fuller lives, but on the other hand it's also contributing to a shadowy "poisoning" of the population.

See this is where you're making a logical leap but your logic is faulty. You're arguing the flouride is being forced on everyone, with a conspiratoral motive, to condition the population. The overwhelming majority of Medical Science does not support your position. It's simply something that fits in to your "fuck the man" World views which are very obvious in your posts.

When fluoride is added to the general population water supply, I view that as "forcing" it upon us. Sorry you don't see it that way. And not all of "medical science" agrees with you.

and yes, fuck the man.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

When fluoride is added to the general population water supply, I view that as "forcing" it upon us. Sorry you don't see it that way. And not all of "medical science" agrees with you.

and yes, fuck the man.

Yeah I agree it is forcing it on you, but the leap to it being with ill intent has not been established.

In any case, I'm out of time for GFY today myself. Have a good one.

[VikingMan]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what makes you think i don't? i even use a shower filter to remove fluoride and other contaminates since the skin absorbs that shit quite easily.

Sorry but your shower water filter is not removing any substantial levels of fluoride. Not even reverse osmosis removes all of it. If you want to avoid the toxic waste byproduct from the aluminum and fertilizer industry (sodium fluoride) then you will have to drink and bathe in distilled water. Even better you could move to the countryside and dig a well.

I have had signs fluorosis on my front teeth since I was a child. We moved to a city that adds sodium fluoride to the water and it showed up within a few years.

Sucks when 98% of the human population are complete sheep. As a child I never had a choice but at least my daughter is not drinking that garbage.

[Telly]

Buy a Berkey water filter, removes a whole bunch of stuff and even has a fluoride filter you can use on it.

Shitty thing is that they can't ship to California because the state makes you jump through hoops if you claim to remove lead.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by *******

Sorry but your shower water filter is not removing any substantial levels of fluoride. Not even reverse osmosis removes all of it. If you want to avoid the toxic waste byproduct from the aluminum and fertilizer industry (sodium fluoride) then you will have to drink and bathe in distilled water. Even better you could move to the countryside and dig a well.

I have had signs fluorosis on my front teeth since I was a child. We moved to a city that adds sodium fluoride to the water and it showed up within a few years.

Sucks when 98% of the human population are complete sheep. As a child I never had a choice but at least my daughter is not drinking that garbage.

so fucking what? i never said it's a panacea. i'm more than fine with my current set up and have no desire to go unibomber and live in the woods. and you might want to do some research on how shitty distilled water is for drinking purposes.

[Cyndalie]

Not all cities. In mine it is not and the pediatrician will actually give you floruride drops for babies so they get this mineral in their diets.

[VikingMan]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you might want to do some research on how shitty distilled water is for drinking purposes.

you add minerals back in, problem solved

[Coup]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

how exactly do you attribute longer life spans to fluoride use?

he didn't attribute it to shit. his point was if the government was poisoning us why are we living longer?

[atom]

This whole deal is nothing new. Get your water tested. I called a company and they did it for free.

Fluoride wasnt even an issue, Chlorine was. My tap water had the same levels as a public swimming pool. That will kill you as well.

I put a triple filtration system on my sink for drinking water and problem solved after retesting. Change it every 6 months and I'm good to go. People need minerals in their water, just not super high levels. Dynamo is right, buying bottled water really fucks up the environment plus adds to oil prices.

After reading this thread I didn't realize so many people on GFY are that fucked in the head.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Coup

he didn't attribute it to shit. his point was if the government was poisoning us why are we living longer?

and my point was that it was a piss poor point.

it's not a question of "if the government is poisoning us".... they are, it's a fact.