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USA · 02-28-2011, 10:14 AM

After several years of work as Studio for Models I find a big problem and loss of income!
I have a few question for all companies which engaged in this business through the Internet.

I work really hard. A lot of time needs to be read all the rules, to translate from one language to another.
I spend a lot of time on search,ads pay so I can find,recruited new models over the Internet. So I found 25 models from 8 different countries.
I could find a lot more.I was dicouraged because after a while I realised that one by one stoped to work.I find that models are communicating through website cams and they find from other models that they can registered by themselves.Without my knowledge they send email to support,cancel account on cams,and registered by themselves,alone.What is even worse on LiveJasmin each model can have 5 + accounts!

In my opinion,me as Studio should be a ?business partner? and protected from the possibility of this kind of manipulation.Website has a benefit from me if as Studio I am able to find new, valuable models and expand business.Thus,I am completelly unrestricted by CAMS and Live Jasmine as a Studio!
In this way I lose money!I am willing to find new and new models,to invest money in advertising my Studio site.The fact what they are doing is without sense!

It would be fair that if I find first that model, that she can work only through me! If she first find out for CAMS or LiveJasmin then to work independently without possibility to join in Studio! We(Studio)are the one to which they should be treated as business partners not the model which we introduce in business! Mathematics is clear that we can bring you 10 to 100x more models in contrast to the models! Like this concept has xmodels.ch to protect the interest of Studio! This is the correct business model.

By that analogy, how would you feel that someone comes to CAMS or Livejasmin and say what are you doing here? Come to my website! You wont allow the spam and that kind of cheating,is that right?

Also, we feel like that cause we investing time and money in finding, interpreting and training models that they cheat us and we remain unprotected! You need to change that strategy,accept us as full partners in this business in a way that I have already explained. We are the ones who find new models for your site / company. I don?t want to talk about how some girls are able to cheat in various ways and if they are willing to us in this way trick will sooner or later try to cheat you. If you believe me,many of my models have earned $ 1000 + and that I was taking from them no more than $ 50 a month. I have always on my mind if she has a child, if she is divorced..I mean I taking all facts to be correct. Always I was paying the cost of money transfers and so on.

I am ready to work, to find new models but I do not want to work for nothing!

I feel like when we screwed up by ePassporte... I feel cheated ... or to ask "whose my money?"

INever · 02-28-2011, 10:36 AM

Adapt and survive. Global economics is rapidly changing. Companies like Apple and Google are making 40 million dollars a day profit in case you wondering where all the money is gone to.

If I were recruiting and training girls for a studio I'd be going in on the assumption that the girls will be keeping all the camsite derived money and my revenue stream would have to be "outside the box". If I can't find a way to add value to that then it's not a viable business for me.

And I'd have to find and work with girls who would honor a contract, etc...

That really sucks but we can't fight the tide of history.

Dappz · 02-28-2011, 10:58 AM

well the best way you need is to hire personaly so they can work for you!!!!

alexxx · 02-28-2011, 11:06 AM

send your models our way... your girls wont be able to register directly or move to another studio without your approval.

Once a girl is in the system (ID card linked to a name + performer name), she shouldn't be able to register again to cut you out of the equation. You deserve your money, period.

hit me up if you need anything.

USA · 02-28-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alexraco

send your models our way... your girls wont be able to register directly or move to another studio without your approval.

Once a girl is in the system (ID card linked to a name + performer name), she shouldn't be able to register again to cut you out of the equation. You deserve your money, period.

hit me up if you need anything.

Thanks. I will contact you asap.

SZNY · 03-01-2011, 03:22 PM

I agree contract the girls yourself, if they want to work on multiple sites you create the accounts for them under your studio account. This way you will have more control.

fatfoo · 03-01-2011, 03:30 PM

Loss of income sucks. Good luck getting a profit. You might have to invest money in the right areas to get a good return on investment. You have dozens of models to work with. Good luck.

USA · 03-02-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SZNY

I agree contract the girls yourself, if they want to work on multiple sites you create the accounts for them under your studio account. This way you will have more control.

I will definitely start working for another company. Thanks for the advice

Sexier · 03-02-2011, 03:26 AM

you always have sexier.com

USA · 03-02-2011, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexier

you always have sexier.com

Thanks for the advice

pimpmaster9000 · 05-21-2012, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USA

After several years of work as Studio for Models I find a big problem and loss of income!
I have a few question for all companies which engaged in this business through the Internet.

I work really hard. A lot of time needs to be read all the rules, to translate from one language to another.
I spend a lot of time on search,ads pay so I can find,recruited new models over the Internet. So I found 25 models from 8 different countries.
I could find a lot more.I was dicouraged because after a while I realised that one by one stoped to work.I find that models are communicating through website cams and they find from other models that they can registered by themselves.Without my knowledge they send email to support,cancel account on cams,and registered by themselves,alone.What is even worse on LiveJasmin each model can have 5 + accounts!

In my opinion,me as Studio should be a ?business partner? and protected from the possibility of this kind of manipulation.Website has a benefit from me if as Studio I am able to find new, valuable models and expand business.Thus,I am completelly unrestricted by CAMS and Live Jasmine as a Studio!
In this way I lose money!I am willing to find new and new models,to invest money in advertising my Studio site.The fact what they are doing is without sense!

It would be fair that if I find first that model, that she can work only through me! If she first find out for CAMS or LiveJasmin then to work independently without possibility to join in Studio! We(Studio)are the one to which they should be treated as business partners not the model which we introduce in business! Mathematics is clear that we can bring you 10 to 100x more models in contrast to the models! Like this concept has xmodels.ch to protect the interest of Studio! This is the correct business model.

By that analogy, how would you feel that someone comes to CAMS or Livejasmin and say what are you doing here? Come to my website! You wont allow the spam and that kind of cheating,is that right?

Also, we feel like that cause we investing time and money in finding, interpreting and training models that they cheat us and we remain unprotected! You need to change that strategy,accept us as full partners in this business in a way that I have already explained. We are the ones who find new models for your site / company. I don?t want to talk about how some girls are able to cheat in various ways and if they are willing to us in this way trick will sooner or later try to cheat you. If you believe me,many of my models have earned $ 1000 + and that I was taking from them no more than $ 50 a month. I have always on my mind if she has a child, if she is divorced..I mean I taking all facts to be correct. Always I was paying the cost of money transfers and so on.

I am ready to work, to find new models but I do not want to work for nothing!

I feel like when we screwed up by ePassporte... I feel cheated ... or to ask "whose my money?"

exactly....

I can sign up 100 girls to livejasmin.com but they all work in the same house and I would never risk one girl telling all the others that they do no need my studio.

I contacted the guys at livejasmin.com but they seem completely uninterested in protecting their studios?!?! they gave me some "models are free to do what they wish" crappy answer...

Livejasmin.com would profit form guys like us much more than they would from the current model, I could recruit the shit out my surrounding countries for them if they were even remotely interested in helping me.

All I asked for was that they create a different domain for master account owners and not livejasmin.com because it makes SHIT difference to models where they perform as long as they are getting paid. It is so ridiculously obvious that models do not need studios just go to the live jamin.com home page it screams "models wanted" at the bottom

It would take so little work on their side to protect our interests but they obviously have something to gain from stealing our models...fuck them...lots of other programs around that offer exactly what we need...

piers30 · 05-21-2012, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexxx

send your models our way... your girls wont be able to register directly or move to another studio without your approval.

Once a girl is in the system (ID card linked to a name + performer name), she shouldn't be able to register again to cut you out of the equation. You deserve your money, period.

hit me up if you need anything.

glad this was posted , just as I was about to sign up with livejasmin.

Now I will look at this detail and contact you. Do you also get traffic for English speakers? The girls I plan to recruit are British.

uniquemkt · 05-21-2012, 01:34 PM

Some cam sites require models to work with a studio depending on their location... Maybe nothing stops them from going to a different studio, but they won't be able to go off on their own and still participate on those sites.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-21-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt

Maybe nothing stops them from going to a different studio, but they won't be able to go off on their own and still participate on those sites.

Livejasmin.com makes it SO EASY for models to figure out they do not need studios. I would not dare risk signing up a model there simply because they all work in the same house.

I hope livejasmin.com changes their mind I can sign up 100 girls no problem but ill be fucked if I do it without any protection from them.

UnUnited · 05-21-2012, 05:03 PM

That's the exact same problem I experienced with MyFreeCams.com. I was approached by a ton of girls when they found out that I had a studio license that I had set up for a girlfriend at the time. They all wanted to work with me because I was able to help them sign up to the site and they didn't know how too.

I worked with a few girls but I eventually gave up. It's not worth the time to be a studio when the models can work on their own and have a better pay rate then you can offer them. I have easily turned down 50+ models this year and told them I don't want to work with them. ( I live in Vegas aka "The Land of Strippers" so I get approached on it every couple days)

They can't figure out why I wont even entertain working with new models and the main reason is because they'll go on the site for 2 weeks and some chatter will guide them to working for themselves.

I don't know much about the other sites besides MFC , But you think they would give their studios a better % payout then an individual model. Even at 10% it would make it worth while for me. I know if I was running MFC and could add another 50 models to my site that would be making money it would be a no brainier to work with studios for a better cut.

VenusBlogger · 05-21-2012, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USA

After several years of work as Studio for Models I find a big problem and loss of income!
I have a few question for all companies which engaged in this business through the Internet.

I work really hard. A lot of time needs to be read all the rules, to translate from one language to another.
I spend a lot of time on search,ads pay so I can find,recruited new models over the Internet. So I found 25 models from 8 different countries.
I could find a lot more.I was dicouraged because after a while I realised that one by one stoped to work.I find that models are communicating through website cams and they find from other models that they can registered by themselves.Without my knowledge they send email to support,cancel account on cams,and registered by themselves,alone.What is even worse on LiveJasmin each model can have 5 + accounts!

thats what I always said here in GFY, why would models work for a CAFISHO and lose part of the money when they can work on their own?

Great move for them, to work on their own, it makes no sense to be a SLAVE of a shitty cafisho.

I never did a dimme with cams, because they never converted for me as an affiliate, and I think there is a lot of scam and bullshit in the cam business, that's why 90% of sites promoting cams + dating are ILLEGAL SITES, ILLEGAL FORUMS with livejasmin popups or file sharing pirate sites....

But every time I see a CAM GIRL in an apartment with separated lockers working 10 girls in the same room of 100 quare feet, you can easily tell they are all working for a shitty cafisho that is exploiting them and getting part of the income for doing nothing.

And I enter the free chat just to explain those girls how to join on their own, so they can ESCAPE from the shitty cafisho. After all, even a monkey could register on their own, its just 2-3 steps to fill data in a form, and done.

Sometimes the CAFISHO is vigilating the room and kicks me from the chat, when I start explaining the model how to join on her own.

Anyway, get a decent job, dude. And stop working as a CAFISHO it sucks in every possible way.

Period.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-21-2012, 06:20 PM

XloveCam model/studio sign-up we don't allow models to reregister as independent models for 90 days after they have left one of our studios. We have in excess of 75% studio models, recently added hi-definition broadcast, and have a lot of loyal customers every day -- 200 - 450 models online models most of the day. We pay out by our own ATM Card or Bank Wire. We are based in Rotterdam, Holland.

Our traffic is primarily European but with the right talent, I would get (buy) more USA/Canada traffic. We pay non EU (or VAT Certified EU Studios) 50% split on the show revenue plus 20% for ALL customer referrals as a studio/model. Or if you wish -- 30% + the 50% (up to 80%) if you would like to be an affiliate and a studio.

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pimpmaster9000 · 05-22-2012, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

thats what I always said here in GFY, why would models work for a CAFISHO and lose part of the money when they can work on their own?

Great move for them, to work on their own, it makes no sense to be a SLAVE of a shitty cafisho.

I never did a dimme with cams, because they never converted for me as an affiliate, and I think there is a lot of scam and bullshit in the cam business, that's why 90% of sites promoting cams + dating are ILLEGAL SITES, ILLEGAL FORUMS with livejasmin popups or file sharing pirate sites....

But every time I see a CAM GIRL in an apartment with separated lockers working 10 girls in the same room of 100 quare feet, you can easily tell they are all working for a shitty cafisho that is exploiting them and getting part of the income for doing nothing.

And I enter the free chat just to explain those girls how to join on their own, so they can ESCAPE from the shitty cafisho. After all, even a monkey could register on their own, its just 2-3 steps to fill data in a form, and done.

Sometimes the CAFISHO is vigilating the room and kicks me from the chat, when I start explaining the model how to join on her own.

Anyway, get a decent job, dude. And stop working as a CAFISHO it sucks in every possible way.

Period.

Not all studios are like this.

I can not speak for others but my girls do not work in sweat shops. I own a luxury house in a great part of town, I offer the girls education, transport to and from work, security guards, accounting, rooms, computers, technical assistance and even help with personal problems. For fucks sake I give them personal training and send them to a friends beauty salon for make overs, they get a higher cut if they adopt my values of healthy eating and daily workouts. I am not even doing this for the money, I like being around lots of girls

NONE and I do mean NONE of the girls would EVER EVER know about how to become a cam model without me. End of story. Even if they did most of them would piss away their money on coke and alcohol after every pay day if it was not for the discipline I impose on them though a higher % for professional behavior. Some people need a leader and need to be told what to do in order to function normally.

I have seen the sweat shop, gun to head, studios you speak about, and I agree with you 100% for that type of scumbag model. But my studio is very very different. The most girls I have in one room is 2 and we are talking about large living rooms not a shitty small bedroom. For fucks sake I even buy them new furniture and organize free laundry and maids. They call me in the middle of the night with personal problems I am literally like their mom to them. I organize their life literally, and they love me for it.

Do I have a moral dilemma because I take some of their money? HELL NO! But I have a system built on trust with my models. They trust me, and if some girl were to say that I am ripping them off, then this would put all my hard work to waste. I am what a coach is to a professional tennis player, not a parasite but a mentor and guide and support. They would never make it without me. Period.

Also I have a background in the fashion and modeling business I really really know how to recruit and motivate and discipline (in a productive business sense) my girls to excel and achieve much more than if they were to do this by their own. Livejasmin.com is losing money because they do not take care of people like me who can bring them a much more professional and motivated type of worker. I can recruit literally 100-s of girls within a month. If I could get the right type of protection for my investment I could recruit easily from 4 surrounding countries. I have cast before for fashion, before the crisis hit my country, and had 100-s of girls come to a single audition from one single shitty ad in the paper. With the right motivation I could organize mass castings 1000+ girls (most working from home of course, my house is not that big :D ) in a few months would be no problem at all.

I have spoken to livejasmin.com about this but I do not think their tech support passes on my concerns to the principals, or livejasmin.com has a vested interest in things staying the way they are...who knows...

bluevision · 05-22-2012, 10:00 AM

If you really want to start making money, have full control over everything that is going on and not worry about being scammed etc., you should think about creating your own cam site. Yes it is costly and requires a lot of work and time but in the longrun, if you do everything right, you will only benefit. If you are interested please contact me.

piers30 · 05-22-2012, 10:31 AM

And I enter the free chat just to explain those girls how to join on their own, so they can ESCAPE from the shitty cafisho. After all, even a monkey could register on their own, its just 2-3 steps to fill data in a form, and done.

Period.[/QUOTE]

There is your answer-

02-28-2011, 10:14 AM	#1
USA Adult Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 2,086	CAMS and LIVEJASMIN studio accounts After several years of work as Studio for Models I find a big problem and loss of income! I have a few question for all companies which engaged in this business through the Internet. I work really hard. A lot of time needs to be read all the rules, to translate from one language to another. I spend a lot of time on search,ads pay so I can find,recruited new models over the Internet. So I found 25 models from 8 different countries. I could find a lot more.I was dicouraged because after a while I realised that one by one stoped to work.I find that models are communicating through website cams and they find from other models that they can registered by themselves.Without my knowledge they send email to support,cancel account on cams,and registered by themselves,alone.What is even worse on LiveJasmin each model can have 5 + accounts! In my opinion,me as Studio should be a ?business partner? and protected from the possibility of this kind of manipulation.Website has a benefit from me if as Studio I am able to find new, valuable models and expand business.Thus,I am completelly unrestricted by CAMS and Live Jasmine as a Studio! In this way I lose money!I am willing to find new and new models,to invest money in advertising my Studio site.The fact what they are doing is without sense! It would be fair that if I find first that model, that she can work only through me! If she first find out for CAMS or LiveJasmin then to work independently without possibility to join in Studio! We(Studio)are the one to which they should be treated as business partners not the model which we introduce in business! Mathematics is clear that we can bring you 10 to 100x more models in contrast to the models! Like this concept has xmodels.ch to protect the interest of Studio! This is the correct business model. By that analogy, how would you feel that someone comes to CAMS or Livejasmin and say what are you doing here? Come to my website! You wont allow the spam and that kind of cheating,is that right? Also, we feel like that cause we investing time and money in finding, interpreting and training models that they cheat us and we remain unprotected! You need to change that strategy,accept us as full partners in this business in a way that I have already explained. We are the ones who find new models for your site / company. I don?t want to talk about how some girls are able to cheat in various ways and if they are willing to us in this way trick will sooner or later try to cheat you. If you believe me,many of my models have earned $ 1000 + and that I was taking from them no more than $ 50 a month. I have always on my mind if she has a child, if she is divorced..I mean I taking all facts to be correct. Always I was paying the cost of money transfers and so on. I am ready to work, to find new models but I do not want to work for nothing! I feel like when we screwed up by ePassporte... I feel cheated ... or to ask "whose my money?" __________________ icq: 270894060 ( for Affiliate Managers ) or 600048 ( for Adult Firms )

02-28-2011, 10:36 AM	#2
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,475	Adapt and survive. Global economics is rapidly changing. Companies like Apple and Google are making 40 million dollars a day profit in case you wondering where all the money is gone to. If I were recruiting and training girls for a studio I'd be going in on the assumption that the girls will be keeping all the camsite derived money and my revenue stream would have to be "outside the box". If I can't find a way to add value to that then it's not a viable business for me. And I'd have to find and work with girls who would honor a contract, etc... That really sucks but we can't fight the tide of history. __________________ I love Camdough Last edited by INever; 02-28-2011 at 10:40 AM..

02-28-2011, 10:58 AM	#3
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02-28-2011, 11:06 AM	#4
alexxx Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 393	send your models our way... your girls wont be able to register directly or move to another studio without your approval. Once a girl is in the system (ID card linked to a name + performer name), she shouldn't be able to register again to cut you out of the equation. You deserve your money, period. hit me up if you need anything. __________________ 35zero 384 zero93

03-01-2011, 03:22 PM	#6
SZNY SZNY Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sexy Republic Posts: 2,798	I agree contract the girls yourself, if they want to work on multiple sites you create the accounts for them under your studio account. This way you will have more control. __________________ Skype: sjmanthonio san at ctrlventure dot com

03-01-2011, 03:30 PM	#7
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	Loss of income sucks. Good luck getting a profit. You might have to invest money in the right areas to get a good return on investment. You have dozens of models to work with. Good luck. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

03-02-2011, 03:26 AM	#9
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05-21-2012, 01:34 PM	#13
uniquemkt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 305	Some cam sites require models to work with a studio depending on their location... Maybe nothing stops them from going to a different studio, but they won't be able to go off on their own and still participate on those sites.

05-21-2012, 05:03 PM	#15
UnUnited Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 124	That's the exact same problem I experienced with MyFreeCams.com. I was approached by a ton of girls when they found out that I had a studio license that I had set up for a girlfriend at the time. They all wanted to work with me because I was able to help them sign up to the site and they didn't know how too. I worked with a few girls but I eventually gave up. It's not worth the time to be a studio when the models can work on their own and have a better pay rate then you can offer them. I have easily turned down 50+ models this year and told them I don't want to work with them. ( I live in Vegas aka "The Land of Strippers" so I get approached on it every couple days) They can't figure out why I wont even entertain working with new models and the main reason is because they'll go on the site for 2 weeks and some chatter will guide them to working for themselves. I don't know much about the other sites besides MFC , But you think they would give their studios a better % payout then an individual model. Even at 10% it would make it worth while for me. I know if I was running MFC and could add another 50 models to my site that would be making money it would be a no brainier to work with studios for a better cut. __________________ UnUnited.com

05-21-2012, 06:20 PM	#17
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	XloveCam model/studio sign-up we don't allow models to reregister as independent models for 90 days after they have left one of our studios. We have in excess of 75% studio models, recently added hi-definition broadcast, and have a lot of loyal customers every day -- 200 - 450 models online models most of the day. We pay out by our own ATM Card or Bank Wire. We are based in Rotterdam, Holland. Our traffic is primarily European but with the right talent, I would get (buy) more USA/Canada traffic. We pay non EU (or VAT Certified EU Studios) 50% split on the show revenue plus 20% for ALL customer referrals as a studio/model. Or if you wish -- 30% + the 50% (up to 80%) if you would like to be an affiliate and a studio. If you would like more info see the ICQ below.

05-22-2012, 10:00 AM	#19
bluevision Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 134	If you really want to start making money, have full control over everything that is going on and not worry about being scammed etc., you should think about creating your own cam site. Yes it is costly and requires a lot of work and time but in the longrun, if you do everything right, you will only benefit. If you are interested please contact me. __________________ Yes...we can do that! Bluevision Productions - your one-stop-shop for Adult Web Design , Development & adult SEO/SEM ICQ: 632064562 Email: contact at bluevision.co.il

05-22-2012, 10:31 AM	#20
piers30 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 209	And I enter the free chat just to explain those girls how to join on their own, so they can ESCAPE from the shitty cafisho. After all, even a monkey could register on their own, its just 2-3 steps to fill data in a form, and done. Period.[/QUOTE] There is your answer-