Jey p

Hello , we have an experienced programmer ready to work full time ( 8 hours per day ) on a monthly basis for $1800 per month.
He has 8 years of experience in PHP and 2 in the adult industry.
Anybody interested let me know !

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plsureking

long time no see Jey P. u will have some competition from the Philippines tho lol.

all seriousness, Jey P you do some great design work. not sure i've seen your programming tho?

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Jey p

Hi Man !!!! Thanks for the compliments
Since we are located in South America we have the advantage of a great time difference and no cultural barriers
If you are on FB or TW let me know so we can catch up!

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DWB

Oh hey, it's that seriously good looking dude from South America again!

Bump for you.

plsureking

he looks like johnny depps colombian business partner in Blow lol

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Klen

Where do you pulling all those programmers

Jey p

We are a company based in Buenos Aires , Argentina . We are online since 2004 constantly providing programmers and designers to our beloved adult industry

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Jey p

I want a pic !!!!!!!!!!

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AdultKing

Does this guy have java skills as well ? Any experience in games ?

Jey p

Not this programmer in particular, but if you want we can get you a programmer with those skills. Do you want me to do that ? If so please contact me at [email protected]

Thanks!!!!

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plsureking

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003244/

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wdsguy

what sites has he worked on? lets see some of his work.

Barefootsies

True dat.

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I know, right? How hot is that guy?

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AdultKing

Please take a look at this thread, we are willing to negotiate salary with the right person.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1015121

thanks

Jey p

come one ! lol, I dont look at him at all, I will update my avatar soon

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Jey p

We can talk about that by skype or email since some of the work he did had some NDA signed

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Jey p

emaling u now....

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fatfoo

Good luck selling programming.

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CodeR70

I do not understand how people can scream about "theft" and such, but $1800 for a full time programmer with 8 years experience seems to be ok. If you hire a full time programmer for that money then you deserve it to be stollen from!

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CodeR70

On the other hand, if the same people build this page http://www.idsadult.com/adult-programmers.html (and linked) then it's probably overpaid!

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Tjeezers

That was a employee who did not finished the page within the month he was hired

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And btw do you have anyone available for project basis ?

Jey p

of course
http://www.idsadult.com/single-projects.html

email me or we can talk on skype

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CodeR70

Hey buddy, my tip on your crappy HTML skills was for free. But at least you could say thanks.

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Jey p

huh??????????

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harvey

I think he means you had a problem on that page earlier today, with the page all fucked up, now it seems fixed

anyway, I might be needing something extended in time (ie every day) but not 8 hours, just maybe 1 hour a day at most, probably not even that (eg some days he may need to answer one request and some days nothing). Basically a tech savvy guy who can provide some support on our scripts in a forum. Could you do that? If so, please send me a quote to webmaster + fdsign + com

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CodeR70

Well, I was more trying to make a point how bad this stinks. It's seems to pass by all you guys who think it's a good idea to hire an "experienced programmer" for about $10 an hour before tax. In my book that can only mean 2 things, or you as a client get cheated or his developers. One way or the other, somebody is getting fucked over big time!

I do not understand why you guys keep supporting the "tube sites" of my profession. There is no way an honest programmer, who would like to have a normal meal at least once a day also, can compete with this (not even mentioning the $5 or less an hour from India you see these days).

A fucking power coder for just about $10, and that does not ring any bells???

PS, maybe the mods should move this to the theft forum or whats its name.

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It sounds like sweet deals to be had for a nice price.

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CodeR70

In that case, hire the dude. Ignorance is bliss?

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IllTestYourGirls

Have any tube updaters?

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harvey

well, owning a design company I understand what you mean, but on the other hand you have to keep in mind this:
1) Most coders I know BEG to make $1800 a month. I know many coders that charge high rates per hour but they're always trying to get a client, because they get no work
2) $1800 isn't top money, but it's pretty decent in many countries. Even in Europe.
3) $1800 in Argentina is a decent income, but once the outsourcing company gets their slice, it isn't a good salary, so I know I won't get the super coder with the super service. But, for what I need him/her, it's enough. On the other hand, Argentina's coders are rated between the best in the world and because of that, there was a lot of work and high salaries for them. Thus, everybody tried to become a coder and now there are way too many coders. Now I can get a computer engineer for $1800, as simple as that, so their price isn't out of this world nor too low

Anyway, like I said last week in a similar thread: just provide a good service trying to keep your prices competitive and clients will come alone... after paying the magic outsourcing company that charges 1/5 of your rate (or less) and then get empty handed as usual.

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CodeR70

@harvey

That makes a lot of sense and thanks also for your post. IMHO the programmer gets cheated, even if he lives in Argentina. I was checking for the salaries here in Europe (where I'm based) and I can assure you, for that money it's even hard to find a junior developer, let alone an experienced one.

The biggest issue with all these companies is that you and me have to prove ourselves over and over again because they fuck up the market. Not only in terms of rates, but just giving coders/designers and the likes a bad reputation because they cant deliver what has been agreed on. AFAIK there is even a lot of caution mentioned in one of the GFY educational posts.

I'm in the process of moving from being an in-house developer with a decent fixed salary to a freelancer. I practically have to work for free to even get noticed. So for now I stopped that (I probably try again soon) because I really had to get some food on the table.

But listen, I understand that you have to start "low", even if you are already experienced. I would not mind to work for $10 to $15 per hour on a small project (one to two weeks) just to give the client confidence in my experience and such. But it has to come from both sides. But I do not get the impression that the OP had that in mind.

Anyway, "you get what you pay for" … sometimes

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Jey p

Hey! thanks for the post, I didn't see any problem but it's ok. I will email you shortly

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Jey p

hahahaa LOL !

I call this = ENVY

Been working closely with lots of big and important affiliate programs and webmasters for more than 8 years providing a good service at affordable prices I would say : SHUT UP and learn , don't badmouth if you don't know what you are talking about.

my

PS : http://www.idsadult.com/testimonials.html

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Kiopa_Matt

Not sure if I'd call it envy. You're selling these guys for $10/hour, so assuming they're lucky, let's say they get $8/hour. In Canada, you get more than that working at McDonalds, for example. Why worry about the responsibilities and stress that come with being a developer, if you can make more flipping burgers and smoking weed all day?

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CodeR70

I dont care about the important affiliates. Come, let some of your developers and other staff join this discussion and see what they have to say. You rip of your own and then brag about it here. You cant even maintain your own business website so yeah, big and important affiliates probably had a lot of fun cleaning up afterwards.

Listen buddy, whatever you come up with, if you pay an experienced programmer $1800 p/m then you are a cheap and cheating bastard. Or you lie about his experience of you fuck the dude over. But you are so confident about yourself, tell your guys about this thread. Or even better, send them over here, they can make 4 to 5 times what you pay them to start with, you cheating dickhead.

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Jey p

Seriously man, if we provide a great service at a great price, and you don't know how to do it, why badmouth about it ?



Our guys love their job and the environment is awesome.
Guys at McDonalds are earning around $800 so I don't think they would like to go to work there
Argentina is now a great place to live

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CodeR70

Oh and yeah, before I forget

- started programming on my 13th (I'm 41 now)
- been working fulltime as a software and web developer for the biggest scientific agency here in Europe for 16 years now
- Oracle, MySQL, PostgreSQL, PL/SQL, SQL, PHP, HTML, XML, CSS, JSP, Java, JS, VB, VBS, etc, etc, etc

So yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about?

Last but not least

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plsureking

you don't know Jey P so shut the fuck up. we are all sorry you are threatened by this thread, and you are a 41-yo unemployed programmer, but this is Jey P's business thread. how about we campaign to fuck up your business prospects? do you even have any?

your comments here are bordering on bannable. you cannot slander someone's business without proof, and you slandered his business here calling him a cheating bastard.

show a little respect ass clown.

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CodeR70

Why do I have to know him to recognize a cheap bastard? Do you know all tube site owners that steal your content and rip you off?

Dont worry, I'm fine. Not unemployed. I will find my way around. I can always start a tube site or an outsourcing company ;)

Hey, but that is what he's doing. Didnt you read the thread?

Well, if I get banned because of this then so be it. He is a cheating bastard and if you get a clue you know it. Day in and day out you see these threads about tube sites and people ripping of others by stealing content and the likes. But if I call out this bastard who is clearly abusing his own then you start crying about my comments.

And about proof, read his first post. An experience programmer for $1800 a month is proof enough that this stinks. So ban me? please do. It's probably better for my health.

Thats exactly what I want fuck face. Get a clue!

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Barefootsies

You need to stop trying to compare a western world coder (UK, USA, Canada) and their rates to that of 2nd (Poland, Argentina) and 3rd tier (China, India, Paki, Eygpt) markets where the labor is simply cheaper, and does not always mean janitor coders. They are apples and oranges.

The facts are the facts. Western coders simply will not work for 2nd and 3rd tier country rates, and are endlessly being undercut by these guys. This causes a source of frustration, and western coders equate more money for them with a better product. I have hired coders from all over the world, including U.S. and Canada.

I can tell you from 10+ years of experience, while there are 'some' quality coders who meet all of their commitments (project, cost projections, delivery times), rarely is one any better than the other overall. Those in the U.S. blow deadlines just like those in UK, Poland, India and use the same excuses.

While I do not fault you for trying to get more money, and thinking that quality always comes with a higher price tag. That is not always the case. It comes down to the cost of living of that coder, and more often times than not, being undercut by Russians, or Paki's who do comparable work for a lower price.

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Jey p

I totally agree, you have experience on the field, you know your business

to give you some examples of our cost of living :

- a nice apt with 1 room in a OK neighborhood : $300-400
- meal at macdonalds : $4-6
- ok restaurant dinner for 2 people : $25

salaries :

- doorman's building : $700-1300
- government employee: $1000-1500
- bus driver: $900
- macdonalds employee: $800

( these are approx numbers of course )

THE Cost of living is still cheap compared to 1st world countries

now this thread became on a thread about Argentina LOL

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plsureking

the only thing that matters is i have worked with Jey P and you haven't. so there's only one of us who knows whether he is a "cheating bastard" as you keep saying. the other one is slandering his business.

you were pissed that he didnt praise your almighty work at finding an HTML bug and then you went on and on about how you are overqualified and programmers should be paid top dollar.

the longer this goes on, the more clueless you look. you've never heard of outsourcing? i've paid much less than 1800US a month for a programmer and he did work that would make your bosses question why they overpay you.

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CodeR70

Seriously dude, you should read a thread and not just cherry pick little bits and pieces.

Yeah, and I bet you wear sneakers knowingly that little children have created them in a sweatshop. But hey, the are nice and cheap to.

The fact that you keep hiring these guys even though you know that good, honest and qualified people get extremely underpaid makes you are real hero. And in the mean time you want me to work for free.

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CodeR70

ok, seems reasonable

So what is your cut from $1800? Let's say you take a third, that leaves him $1200 before tax. I have no idea what the tax is at your country but let's assume it another third. That leaves him with about $800. $300-$400 for his apartment so he still has $400-500 left.

- 2 kids going to school
- health insurance for his wive, 2 kids and himself
- dental cost for the 2 kids
- water, electricity, gas
- shoes, clothes for the family
- his own educational cost like, books, internet, etc, just to keep up
- travel expenses, etc
- he tries to save a little for vacations with his kids
- pension, so he and his wife do not have to work till they die
- etc

Is it still a fair salary? Even in Argentina?

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CodeR70

Are you serious here or are you just try to be as ignorant as possible?

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