Malaysian air crash in Eastern Ukraine? This could the excuse that Putin was looking for.... - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roshen

I believe mineistaken knows it without wikipedia.

Lichen · 07-17-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

They have claimed so in June: http://politikus.ru/events/23008-cpe...voysk-pvo.html

More stupid questions?

So you confirm that terrorists stole mobile SAMs a few days before planes started getting shot down.

What's your point?

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It was a civilian airplane that was most likely shot down. The fact that Russian air traffic controllers was tracking has nothing to do with anything - it wasn't Russian air traffic controllers who shot it down. The Russian military doesn't call up Russian air traffic controllers to get permission to shoot down a plane.

O'rly? You are an idiot if you think so. Sorry, but one of my best friend is pilot and I know how the system works here from the first hands.

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Interesting tweet. He works at the Borispol Air Traffic Control.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065

plane was being escorted by 2 ukrainian fighters till minutes before disappearing from radar

Interesting...

It would be unlikely Ukrainian military aircraft would shoot down a plane they were escorting, unless it was an accident or unless they intentionally wanted to create an incident. At the same time you can wonder if rebel or Russian forces were shooting at Ukrainian military jets?

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Interesting...

It would be unlikely Ukrainian military aircraft would shoot down a plane they were escorting, unless it was an accident or unless they intentionally wanted to create an incident. At the same time you can wonder if rebel or Russian forces were shooting at Ukrainian military jets?

or, with history of these guys being bombed and shooting at fighter jets.. why were they escorting, over that area, knowing those systems were in place.

fubar.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lichen

So you confirm that terrorists stole mobile SAMs

I can't confirm anything. I just can point to their own statement where they say that Ukrainian army has left the base without any fight. So?

WDF · 07-17-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

He meant feet of course. That because you guys have to use the metric system as the other civilized World does

Do you need some special attention again?

I C U!!!!

evy97 · 07-17-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Interesting...

It would be unlikely Ukrainian military aircraft would shoot down a plane they were escorting, unless it was an accident or unless they intentionally wanted to create an incident. At the same time you can wonder if rebel or Russian forces were shooting at Ukrainian military jets?

from Guardian live blog

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-ukraine-live

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My colleague Dan Milmo in London reports that it has been normal practice for airlines to fly over conflict zones since the Ukraine conflict began. He interviewed a pilot for a major European airline:

"We would often avoid areas where there is air-to-air conflict, but we flew over Iraq and Afghanistan when the British and US armed forces were delpoyed there, because only one side was using military jets."

Explaining why airlines fly over conflict zones where groups might be in possession of ground-to-air missiles, the pilot said: "There will be weapons based on the ground when you are at 30,000 feet, but that is far up in the air. There are not many missile systems that can be so accurate."

His comments suggest that assumptions about weapons capabilities on the ground will have to be reevaluated, pending investigation of the crash.

femdomdestiny · 07-17-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Since it's in the Eastern Ukraine, Putin could easily turn it into being an act "obviously" committed by the "Nazi's" in Kiev, and therefore a justification for invasion. You can't be unaware of the volatility of the situation there...

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US government is doing things like this and you are looking from that perspective. Why would Putin need Malasyan people as excuse if Ukrainians already killed Russians on Russian soil (few days ago).

Both sides will blame other side of course. Maybe someone who know more about air defense systems can make a conclusion what was used on that height? What army have such weapons?

Really sorry for ordinary people that minded their own business. At the end, what idiot sent airplane above war zone? Was Ukrainian flight control responsible since it happened in Ukrainian airspace?

sperbonzo · 07-17-2014, 10:29 AM

Reposting this since the thread is moving so fast that you may have missed it...

Seems there is a lot of photos, videos and so forth here....

http://nikitskij.livejournal.com/419...7477#t62697477

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Mutt · 07-17-2014, 10:30 AM

Nobody is going to own this so good luck finding out who did it. Deiz is posting stuff posted on social media before the plane was shot down that I assume he thinks is evidence that Russia is behind it but I can't read Russian.

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

US government is doing things like this and you are looking from that perspective. Why would Putin need Malasyan people as excuse if Ukrainians already killed Russians on Russian soil (few days ago).

Both sides will blame other side of course. Maybe someone who know more about air defense systems can make a conclusion what was used on that height? What army have such weapons?

Really sorry for ordinary people that minded their own business. At the end, what idiot sent airplane above war zone? Was Ukrainian flight control responsible since it happened in Ukrainian airspace?

especially after so many planes being taken down?

shady as fuck.

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 10:34 AM

gruesome as fuck. don't click basically

https://twitter.com/MatevzNovak

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Both sides will blame other side of course. Maybe someone who know more about air defense systems can make a conclusion what was used on that height? What army have such weapons?

Nobody knows that for sure yet. There is a lot of SAM's that can do it. However in that region the only SAM's that can do it are BUK's. Both sides of conflict (the Ukrainian army and the Ukrainian separatists) have it. The another possible way to shot down a plane flying at 10K meters is a jet fighter. Only the Ukrainian army has them there. So this is why we are talking about BUK's only (there are no C300 or C400 systems).

sperbonzo · 07-17-2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

US government is doing things like this and you are looking from that perspective. Why would Putin need Malasyan people as excuse if Ukrainians already killed Russians on Russian soil (few days ago).

Certainly I take it from all the evil crap that the US government has done, but you should know as well as I do that all governments are capable of this kind of thing.

The reason why I think that this would work better as an excuse to invade Ukraine is that it would look like it was done in the interests of international security, and therefore play better internationally. Putin needs to answer the hard nationalists in Russia by looking as strong as possible, while at the same not incurring the economic wrath of the West... Which Russia cannot afford.

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femdomdestiny · 07-17-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Reposting this since the thread is moving so fast that you may have missed it...

Seems there is a lot of photos, videos and so forth here....

http://nikitskij.livejournal.com/419...7477#t62697477

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actually, I did, started commenting before I saw all pages of this thread.

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

from Guardian live blog

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-ukraine-live

And?

I don't understand what your point is here.

The Ukrainian military, the rebels, and the Russians ALL have missiles that can take out planes twice as high as commercial airlines typically fly. On top of this, both Ukraine and Russia have fighter jets.

A plane was shot down three days ago over Ukraine, and I don't believe it was the first time. Just doesn't seem to be too smart to be flying civilian planes in that area.

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Nobody is going to own this so good luck finding out who did it. Deiz is posting stuff posted on social media before the plane was shot down that I assume he thinks is evidence that Russia is behind it but I can't read Russian.

I disagree.... You know the US is watching that entire area carefully - last month the US tracked armored vehicles moving across Russia all the way into the hands of the rebels.

When Russia shot down the Korean airplane, the US had a recording of the fighter jet getting permission to shoot the plane down.

I think we'll know exactly what happened and we'll know soon.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The Ukrainian military, the rebels, and the Russians ALL have missiles that can take out planes twice as high as commercial airlines typically fly.

Even the Ukrainian government doesn't blame Russia for that. They blame the Ukrainian separatists only. Once again: use a simple logic and don't be that stupid

femdomdestiny · 07-17-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Certainly I take it from all the evil crap that the US government has done, but you should know as well as I do that all governments are capable of this kind of thing.

The reason why I think that this would work better as an excuse to invade Ukraine is that it would look like it was done in the interests of international security, and therefore play better internationally. Putin needs to answer the hard nationalists in Russia by looking as strong as possible, while at the same not incurring the economic wrath of the West... Which Russia cannot afford.

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Yes,I agree all governments are capable for this or similar kind of shit (depending on their technical abilities ).

I think he do not need excuse. No one will stop him and whatever he do will be (good or bad,right or wrong) defined as terrible (on western side) while other part of world will support or at least watch other way. So personally,I think that this was classic mistake. Terrible one, but someone mixed that flight with something else.

People died, sides will blame each other and what sounds logical to me is that Russians are watching everything what is going on there and they should precisely know where and when something was launched. Technology is there, it is near border and it is war.

onwebcam · 07-17-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Interesting tweet. He works at the Borispol Air Traffic Control.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065

plane was being escorted by 2 ukrainian fighters till minutes before disappearing from radar

That it was being escorted by fighter jets just puts a big 'ole target sign on it to me.

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

actually, I did, started commenting before I saw all pages of this thread.

"The plane B 777 flight escorted by 2 ukraine fighters until minutes before disappear from the radar"

Edit 3: Source: "If the authorities of Kiev want to tell the truth, it is collected that 2 fighters flew very close minutes before, but it was not shot down by a figther"

EDIT 4: Source: "Just after the aircraft B 777 Malaysia Airlines dissapeared, Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, how did they know?" and "After 7 minutes the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreign staff who are still here" source

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 10:56 AM

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comment...rdam_to_kuala/

evy97 · 07-17-2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And?

I don't understand what your point is here.

The Ukrainian military, the rebels, and the Russians ALL have missiles that can take out planes twice as high as commercial airlines typically fly. On top of this, both Ukraine and Russia have fighter jets.

A plane was shot down three days ago over Ukraine, and I don't believe it was the first time. Just doesn't seem to be too smart to be flying civilian planes in that area.

Shooting down plane at 30000 feet would require radar guided missiles. Rebels don't have such things.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

When Russia shot down the Korean airplane, the US had a recording of the fighter jet getting permission to shoot the plane down.

Russia did not shot the Korean plane. You are confused everything already. Tremble yourself and start using your brain. That plane was hit by Soviet Union (not Russia) and that was done absolutely intentionally, because it (the plane) has violated the Soviet airspace and refused to obey the commands of Soviet Air Forces. Wouldn't your military do the same? Once again, it was not a mistake. Ah, what I'm trying to talk with you about... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

druid66 · 07-17-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

CS whos that guys? i mean obviously some africans but what country?
just curious.

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 11:02 AM

irak 8 char (isis)

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by druid66

CS whos that guys? i mean obviously some africans but what country?
just curious.

somalia would be my guess

evy97 · 07-17-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by druid66

CS whos that guys? i mean obviously some africans but what country?
just curious.

Somalia

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by druid66

CS whos that guys? i mean obviously some africans but what country?
just curious.

Google says it's Somalia, which is the same as the modern Ukraine to me. The territory where one barbarians bashing others. I really don't understand why civilian flights are not forbidden over that mess...

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 11:07 AM

no i was wrong, somalia:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.599021

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

no i was wrong, somalia:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.599021

very probable it's ISIS/ISIL or whatever, gotta remember it started as a mercenary thing.. libya etc

mchol · 07-17-2014, 11:13 AM

They still haven't found that Malaysian missing airplane.

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Even the Ukrainian government doesn't blame Russia for that. They blame the Ukrainian separatists only. Once again: use a simple logic and don't be that stupid

I am using the most simple logic possible. It's very simple - The Ukrainian military, the Russian military, and the rebel forces ALL have the same missile. The missile suspected as being used here have a range of 50 KM, so it's possible that missiles could have been launched from Russia. It's painfully obvious that Russia has them and has them in the area; It's not a secret.

You are the one who isn't being logical.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 11:20 AM

This is not a logic. The simple logic must be used to answer on a simple question: why Russia would need to hit that plane?

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Russia did not shot the Korean plane. You are confused everything already. Tremble yourself and start using your brain. That plane was hit by Soviet Union (not Russia) and that was done absolutely intentionally, because it (the plane) has violated the Soviet airspace and refused to obey the commands of Soviet Air Forces. Wouldn't your military do the same? Once again, it was not a mistake. Ah, what I'm trying to talk with you about... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

The rest of the world sees little difference between the Soviet Union and Russia when it comes to military issues. The military of the Soviet Union took orders from Moscow, while the Russian military also takes orders from Moscow.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 11:22 AM

Rochard, man, we are talking about BUKs only because they are used by both Ukrainian army and Ukrainian separatists. If Russia wanted to hit it, it would use some better long range and more reliable SAM's like C300 or C400. Think about it.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The rest of the world sees little difference between the Soviet Union and Russia when it comes to military issues.

This "rest of the world" is very stupid then. It's like to compare the modern West Germany with the Nazi one. Stupid people are everywhere. That's not a secret

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Shooting down plane at 30000 feet would require radar guided missiles. Rebels don't have such things.

This brings up an interesting point....

It's entirely possible that the rebels do have BUK missile launchers. They've taken over a area and what ever weapons they found in that area they might have control of now.

However, the BUK missile system is not that is simple to use. It's not "drive the truck (tank) to a location and push a button". There is tracking systems, command and control, fueling... It takes some training. It's possible that some of the Rebels are from the Ukrainian military, and might just have such training, but I find it highly unlikely that rebels were able to pull this off.

And if that is the case.... Then it means the Russian or the Ukrainians did this.

femdomdestiny · 07-17-2014, 11:29 AM

On that altitude ,plane of that size is probably not destroyed completely when it was hit, right? Which means many of those people were alive some for some time after it was hit?Any thoughts on this? sounds like hell.

baddog · 07-17-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Not by Russia (maybe by some financial corporation powers here or there..) but not by Russia as a country. I'm a part of Russia and I have never supported these motherfuckers. Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

oh jeez; well at least we know who the Russian government consults with

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

O'rly? You are an idiot if you think so. Sorry, but one of my best friend is pilot and I know how the system works here from the first hands.

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express also?

LAJ · 07-17-2014, 11:33 AM

Reports are coming in on who was on the plane http://news.yahoo.com/maylasian-plan...153426322.html

Google Expert · 07-17-2014, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Reports are coming in on who was on the plane http://news.yahoo.com/maylasian-plan...153426322.html

80 kids were on board

russians are fucking animals

evy97 · 07-17-2014, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Interesting tweet. He works at the Borispol Air Traffic Control.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065

plane was being escorted by 2 ukrainian fighters till minutes before disappearing from radar

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i have heard this from a person nearby.. but, 'shot down by jet plane' was included

https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489835522849009664

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En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también

"All recorded on radar, for unbelievers, shot down by Kiev, here we know it & military air traffic control knows it too"

https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489841055001751552

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Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko

"Days ago I said it here, military from Kiev wanted a uprinsing against Poroshenko, this can be a way, ordered by Tymoshenko"

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Rochard, man, we are talking about BUKs only because they are used by both Ukrainian army and Ukrainian separatists. If Russia wanted to hit it, it would use some better long range and more reliable SAM's like C300 or C400. Think about it.

Your argument is completely invalid - Ukraine has the same exact missiles C300 and C400, so if it was the Ukrainians who did this why didn't they use better long range and more reliable SAM's like C300 or C400?

The truth is three groups in the area that could have shot them down, but you seem to think that Russia "could not possibility" be involved. Yet it seems painfully obvious that Russia is completely involved in multiple ways.

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

russians are fucking animals

We don't know Russians are involved yet...

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

80 kids were on board

collateral damages are... unwanted...

qwe · 07-17-2014, 11:58 AM

who the fuck flies over a war zone? why not route the plane around to avoid this war area? crazy...

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by qwe

who the fuck flies over a war zone? why not route the plane around to avoid this war area? crazy...

Doesn't seem too bright being as a plane was shot down just Monday....

baggg · 07-17-2014, 12:04 PM

Engine trouble,nothing to see here.
The plane was at 16000m (10,6km),you need some heavy shit to shoot AND hit that thing

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Nobody is going to own this so good luck finding out who did it. Deiz is posting stuff posted on social media before the plane was shot down that I assume he thinks is evidence that Russia is behind it but I can't read Russian. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly! Last edited by Mutt; 07-17-2014 at 10:31 AM..

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,383	This is not a logic. The simple logic must be used to answer on a simple question: why Russia would need to hit that plane? __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,383	Rochard, man, we are talking about BUKs only because they are used by both Ukrainian army and Ukrainian separatists. If Russia wanted to hit it, it would use some better long range and more reliable SAM's like C300 or C400. Think about it. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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femdomdestiny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,169	On that altitude ,plane of that size is probably not destroyed completely when it was hit, right? Which means many of those people were alive some for some time after it was hit?Any thoughts on this? sounds like hell. __________________ Femdom Destiny -------------------------------------------- ICQ: 463-630-426 email: webmaster(at)femdomdestiny.com

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pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,051	irak 8 char (isis)

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pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,051	no i was wrong, somalia: http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.599021

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07-17-2014, 11:33 AM	#142
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qwe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,109	who the fuck flies over a war zone? why not route the plane around to avoid this war area? crazy...

07-17-2014, 12:04 PM	#150
baggg So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: EEA Posts: 1,432	Engine trouble,nothing to see here. The plane was at 16000m (10,6km),you need some heavy shit to shoot AND hit that thing