Malaysian air crash in Eastern Ukraine? This could the excuse that Putin was looking for.... - Page 9 - GoFuckYourself.com

MrDeiz · 07-19-2014, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

From what I am reading they are pro russian separatists, yes? Also being supported and funded by the Russians?

you'll always fail while trying to discuss with ruski. he will bring a ton of bullshit and non-sense in response

that's how rusia works: take it or leave it

crockett · 07-19-2014, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Russian who? Dude, there are no rebels in Russia. There are rebels on the Ukraine. Do you know what geography is? No it's not an STD. It's something different ;)

You live in a state of denial.. It's well known that Russians are being rallied to join up and fight in Ukraine. Weapons and armor have crossed the boarder as well. They don't stop being Russian the second they cross the boarder. Of course you know this but you try to lie and hide from the truth.

aka123 · 07-19-2014, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Panda

usa+nato need to blow these russian maggots into pieces

the western world could decimate russias pathetic military in under 30 days and blow their parasitic country back into the stone age

Besides USA, no single western country has good match for Russian army if attack is required (as it's much more consuming). Even as combined it's not an easy task. And both sides have nukes. Maybe the WWIII is not the best idea.

CAHEK · 07-19-2014, 09:23 AM

Quick major lessons from this thread don't fly an plane into war zone period.

katja_AWNews · 07-19-2014, 09:39 AM

instead of showing some respect, CyberSEO is trying to become a spokes person for Russia and blind us with his propaganda, who is he to have a voice here anyways

His appearance here is hurting many, he is disrespectful.
A lot of Russians do the opposite, placing letters at the ambassador buildings world wide with the text " forgive us "

katja_AWNews · 07-19-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK

Quick major lessons from this thread don't fly an plane into war zone period.

half of the world is a war zone, you would bankrupt the flight industry

directfiesta · 07-19-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

From what I am reading they are pro russian separatists, yes? Also being supported and funded by the Russians?

As each side ( ukrainians ) are broke, each side are getting funding/support/weapons/mercenaries :

Ukrainian Rebels supported by Russia
Ukrainians revolutionaries by NATO/USA

nothing new here ... aren`t the USA supporting/arming the so-called syrian rebels ... If you go by the ''logic'' displayed here , we should called them the Quatar rebels , not the syrians

Still , our thoughts goes to the families of the victims.

Sly · 07-19-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

As each side ( ukrainians ) are broke, each side are getting funding/support/weapons/mercenaries :

Ukrainian Rebels supported by Russia
Ukrainians revolutionaries by NATO/USA

nothing new here ... aren`t the USA supporting/arming the so-called syrian rebels ... If you go by the ''logic'' displayed here , we should called them the Quatar rebels , not the syrians

Still , our thoughts goes to the families of the victims.

Nobody is questioning whether or not NATO, the West, or the USA are helping out the Ukrainians in some fashion. The question is whether or not the Ukrainian rebels are supported by the Russians, which everyone seems to believe except Mr. CyberDenial.

oppoten · 07-19-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

guess what... pootin has 100% support and approval of people in rusia now. rusia is like fascist germany now

Not defending Putin, but it's a great way of keeping Gaza off the front pages.

Daily Mail website currently has no fewer than 12 articles about the crash at the top of the homepage. Gaza is pushed well down the page.

WDF · 07-19-2014, 10:31 AM

When civilian airliners start launching missiles at foreign soil then and only then will this Gaza action get as much attention as a civilian jet carrying almost 300 civilians being shot down.

I did not see Malaysian Airlines launching rockets at Pro Russian Separatists or Russia. On the other hand Hamas in Gaza has prompted a military response. If you can not see the difference you might as well defend Putin.

directfiesta · 07-19-2014, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WDF

When civilian airliners start launching missiles at foreign soil then and only then will this Gaza action get as much attention as a civilian jet carrying almost 300 civilians being shot down.

I did not see Malaysian Airlines launching rockets at Pro Russian Separatists or Russia. On the other hand Hamas in Gaza has prompted a military response. If you can not see the difference you might as well defend Putin.

what a brilliant comment

WDF · 07-19-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

what a brilliant comment

I would expect that from someone that supports Putin and shooting down civilian airliners.

MaDalton · 07-19-2014, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Nobody is questioning whether or not NATO, the West, or the USA are helping out the Ukrainians in some fashion. The question is whether or not the Ukrainian rebels are supported by the Russians, which everyone seems to believe except Mr. CyberDenial.

"pro-russian" separatist leaders are not ukraninian but have russian passports.

they did not live in the ukraine before this started

one claims to be the "prime minister" of Donez, the other leads the military operations of the separatists

did Putin send them there? not after what i read.

but the russian media supports them with their propaganda and russian media = 90% Putin

but it could be easy - Putin would just need to say that he doesn't support those terrorists and acknowledge that the Ukraine is allowed to control their own territory

pornmasta · 07-19-2014, 10:58 AM

I should come to hamburg and try to annex and rule the redlight district.

Mouhahaha i'm so evil

MaDalton · 07-19-2014, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

I should come to hamburg and try to annex and rule the redlight district.

Mouhahaha i'm so evil

unless you're Russian or Albanian i'd be careful...

the times of the real pimps where problems were handled with fists and baseball bats are over

femdomdestiny · 07-19-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by WDF

Didn't you know he is a Kremlin stupid agent living in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Canada.

He just showed you how communication should be done between civilized people. He is asking legitimate questions and as far as I see, never insulted anyone of you while most of your posts (and that other guys, can't remember his name and I don't care) are full of bad words and language like kids living in ghetto.

Kolargol · 07-19-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK

Quick major lessons from this thread don't fly an plane into war zone period.

Major lesson is: don't give guns and money to terrorists if you don't want children dead.

Kolargol · 07-19-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

"pro-russian" separatist leaders are not ukraninian but have russian passports.

they did not live in the ukraine before this started

one claims to be the "prime minister" of Donez, the other leads the military operations of the separatists

did Putin send them there? not after what i read.

but the russian media supports them with their propaganda and russian media = 90% Putin

but it could be easy - Putin would just need to say that he doesn't support those terrorists and acknowledge that the Ukraine is allowed to control their own territory

All true

WDF · 07-19-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

He just showed you how communication should be done between civilized people. He is asking legitimate questions and as far as I see, never insulted anyone of you while most of your posts (and that other guys, can't remember his name and I don't care) are full of bad words and language like kids living in ghetto.

Oh does someone need to call you a whambulance?

Bad words and language is your complaint on an Adult Webmaster board, really?

Seems like it is you who needs to grow the fuck up.

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Originally Posted by Kolargol

Major lesson is: don't give guns and money to terrorists if you don't want children dead.

A very good point indeed.

aka123 · 07-19-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Russian who? Dude, there are no rebels in Russia. There are rebels on the Ukraine. Do you know what geography is? No it's not an STD. It's something different ;)

Actually there are a lot of rebels in Russia, starting from Chechnya, but I think he referred to Russians on Ukraine's soil, fighting against Ukraine's central government.

katja_AWNews · 07-19-2014, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You live in a state of denial.. It's well known that Russians are being rallied to join up and fight in Ukraine. Weapons and armor have crossed the boarder as well. They don't stop being Russian the second they cross the boarder. Of course you know this but you try to lie and hide from the truth.

He is keeping his mouth shut, he still has to conduct business with American clients....

femdomdestiny · 07-19-2014, 11:45 AM

Craziest shit is that many of you are convinced what happened and acting without excuse like it is absolute truth. No one of us know what happened (in this moment). New info every day. For all those who are able to try to think clear, try to get as much info from various resources.

Simple question, who would benefit from this ?
-Russian state? No, at any way.
- Local militia fighting against pro nazi? ... no way,
- Ukrainian army (not a real army but a bunch of mercenaries and nazis) that declared day before it they are retreating from positions...probably.

Still,it doesn't mean that they did it, maybe it was done by mistake. Remember when they downed Russian civil plane back in 2001, Ukrainians denied it until last moment when Russians showed evidence, and on that moment they accepted their guilt.

Ukraine is only one benefiting from this. People already forgot people burned alive, killed people over Russian border, or 20 killed civilians in next day (by artilery)...etc.

Wars are made on faked excuse and staged event (WMD in Iraq, Markale in Bosnia, Racak "massacre" in Kosovo...etc), so we should all be very careful judging this terrible event.

Now, if you want to understand, try to get as many info as possible from various sources. below is what ex colonel with huge war experience in this sphere, mr. Zoltán Dani said (he is Serbian citizen, Hungarian nationality, guy that downed F 117 an d F16. Read about his skills more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolt%C3%A1n_Dani ):

Translation:

"It is impossible that the soldier who fired the rocket did not know it was a passenger civilian airliner. Civilian aircraft flying at altitudes of 10,000 feet, what was the Malaysian passenger plane, have far more reflective surfaces on the radar of the military," says Zoltan Days to Morning Journal.

He says that the opposite is possible only if the person who fired the rocket was completely ignorant.

"Even if he thought it was" flying fortress "plane B-2 or B-52, yet he could not make a mistake because you do not have aircraft with SR as a civilian," tell Danny.

The former Yugoslav Army colonel says that the soldier who fired the rocket, it is understood that it flies towards the civilian passenger plane, could destroy the missile before it hit the plane.

"Yes, he could activate the self-destruct code for the rocket and the tragedy would not have happened," says Denis.

Asked whether the pilot Malaysian aircraft could see the rocket, he said:

"I could see her, but he could not do. Civilian aircraft do not have the ability to" escape "missiles. Unfortunately, the pilot if he saw a rocket, a few seconds until the moment when the rocket hit it," says Zoltan Dani.

WDF · 07-19-2014, 11:55 AM

Another member of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) that is trying to deflect all Russian responsibility for this tragedy.

When will you learn that your fairy tale story that Russians and the Russian state having no responsibility has no merit here.

1215 · 07-19-2014, 12:12 PM

and Putin was like "pew pew pew, down goes de plane"

femdomdestiny · 07-19-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WDF

Another member of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) that is trying to deflect all Russian responsibility for this tragedy.

When will you learn that your fairy tale story that Russians and the Russian state having no responsibility has no merit here.

Post above was made for normal people ,with enough brain cells that would like to find truth in all this. No Putin,no patrol,no propaganda (except in your head)....just info that can help to make some opinion. Pasted above, helped me to change my opinion that whoever did it ,it was by mistake. (pro nazis or militia, we don't know).

As far as I am concerned, with so much military activity , watching and recording of all this, no one came and said it simple: rocket launched from ______ coordinates at _____ time, and that position was under control of _______ fot last ____ days. (plus recorded data as evidence)

If Russians don't do this, then they are trying to help separatists this way and if NATO don't do this, they are helping Ukrainians to blame other side. Simple as that.

Everything else we write here is just writing of personal opinions that means nothing in such serious situation except that some of you guys are clearly showing your stupidity and stupidity means readiness to accept what someone say without taking into consideration different views and info that first side never served to you.

WDF · 07-19-2014, 12:51 PM

No, you posted your opinion which was a complete deflection of the blame and read like all of the other pure propaganda.

You insult all of us by posting your propaganda and then insult us again when we refuse to believe it.

You sound like the official state news agency talking about Nazi's.

You use these words to spark outrage and it doesn't work. Does that upset you?

When considering your Pro Russian post history I understand why you spend your time deflecting away from Russia and posting as you do.

Maybe this type of stuff works where you live, but not here!

Try again comrade.

Do you think it is having an effect on your business yet?

Do you think it might in the near future?

I would consider those questions seriously before you make your next post.

CAHEK · 07-19-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Katja wescort

half of the world is a war zone, you would bankrupt the flight industry

Flight industry is booming right now, making enough cash. Flight's are really expensive now what they were few years ago if you noticed.

Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers: Airline fare

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2...CUSR0000SETG01

femdomdestiny · 07-19-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WDF

No, you posted your opinion which was a complete deflection of the blame and read like all of the other pure propaganda.

You insult all of us by posting your propaganda and then insult us again when we refuse to believe it.

Your simplified way of thinking is always looking for someone to blame or to define black and white. I am not deflecting from anyone or anything.

If you consider something propaganda, that is your personal opinion. If you can't hand logic and questions that any normal person would ask in such situation,that is also your problem. And I do not care.

You have serious mental problems if you constructed all written in previous post based on simple translate of one text from expert in this field. Really crazy, but that is your right,of course.

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Originally Posted by WDF

You sound like the official state news agency talking about Nazi's.

Not sure about what agency you are talking about, but yes, they are pro nazis , and nazis , too. Use search option here for more details. It is up to you will you accept it or not, it doesn't change anything.

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Originally Posted by WDF

You use these words to spark outrage and it doesn't work. Does that upset you?

Paranoia is terrible mental condition. No one is sparking anything I am just repeating that they are nazis and mercenaries not capable of handling pro-russians (just did it ). Read it again, and understand how you want it doesn't matter to me.

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Originally Posted by WDF

When considering your Pro Russian post history I understand why you spend your time deflecting away from Russia and posting as you do.

Glad you are following what I am sometimes writing, maybe you will learn something. Unfortunately, I don't know who you are and what are you writing about. Maybe I would ,if it was something smart and I could remember, but I doubt it will happen once I read what you wrote on this page.

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Originally Posted by WDF

Maybe this type of stuff works where you live, but not here!

Where here and there? Why using ! at the end. I should ask you are you upset and you are, clearly. Screaming,insulting,etc... hey...one more thing, I don't care if you are or if you aren't. It is your personal problem.

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Originally Posted by WDF

Try again comrade.

Try what? Tell us, what do you see....

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Originally Posted by WDF

Do you think it is having an effect on your business yet?

Do you think it might in the near future?

I would consider those questions seriously before you make your next post.

You really need to take medicine before posting because I am having problems to understand all that anger, aggression and suffering that is coming from you. Not sure about what business you are talking about and what are you asking,really. Calm down and try to control yourself. I will check what you wrote in the morning.

MaDalton · 07-19-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Craziest shit is that many of you are convinced what happened and acting without excuse like it is absolute truth. No one of us know what happened (in this moment). New info every day. For all those who are able to try to think clear, try to get as much info from various resources.

Simple question, who would benefit from this ?
-Russian state? No, at any way.
- Local militia fighting against pro nazi? ... no way,
- Ukrainian army (not a real army but a bunch of mercenaries and nazis) that declared day before it they are retreating from positions...probably.

Still,it doesn't mean that they did it, maybe it was done by mistake. Remember when they downed Russian civil plane back in 2001, Ukrainians denied it until last moment when Russians showed evidence, and on that moment they accepted their guilt.

Ukraine is only one benefiting from this. People already forgot people burned alive, killed people over Russian border, or 20 killed civilians in next day (by artilery)...etc.

Wars are made on faked excuse and staged event (WMD in Iraq, Markale in Bosnia, Racak "massacre" in Kosovo...etc), so we should all be very careful judging this terrible event.

Now, if you want to understand, try to get as many info as possible from various sources. below is what ex colonel with huge war experience in this sphere, mr. Zoltán Dani said (he is Serbian citizen, Hungarian nationality, guy that downed F 117 an d F16. Read about his skills more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolt%C3%A1n_Dani ):

Translation:

"It is impossible that the soldier who fired the rocket did not know it was a passenger civilian airliner. Civilian aircraft flying at altitudes of 10,000 feet, what was the Malaysian passenger plane, have far more reflective surfaces on the radar of the military," says Zoltan Days to Morning Journal.

He says that the opposite is possible only if the person who fired the rocket was completely ignorant.

"Even if he thought it was" flying fortress "plane B-2 or B-52, yet he could not make a mistake because you do not have aircraft with SR as a civilian," tell Danny.

The former Yugoslav Army colonel says that the soldier who fired the rocket, it is understood that it flies towards the civilian passenger plane, could destroy the missile before it hit the plane.

"Yes, he could activate the self-destruct code for the rocket and the tragedy would not have happened," says Denis.

Asked whether the pilot Malaysian aircraft could see the rocket, he said:

"I could see her, but he could not do. Civilian aircraft do not have the ability to" escape "missiles. Unfortunately, the pilot if he saw a rocket, a few seconds until the moment when the rocket hit it," says Zoltan Dani.

just 3 major flaws in your post:

- a "benefit" would imply it was intentional - which it seems it wasn't

- the plane was at 30,000 feet, not 10,000 feet

- whoever handled the BUK was not necessarily the most experienced and therefore probably not able to identify a civilian plane

but probably i am not normal and not thinking clear...

aka123 · 07-19-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

- whoever handled the BUK was not necessarily the most experienced and therefore probably not able to identify a civilian plane

I don't know about these rebels or whatever they should be called, but usually that kind of weapons are not controlled by a single man, although single man usually does the decicion, whether private or general. Usually there are team of soldiers and more or less centralized command that distributes targets, info and fire orders. But rag tag rebels might form an exception

katja_AWNews · 07-19-2014, 02:02 PM

wel at least Propaganda idiot CyberSEO kept his mouth shut for more then 5 hours
{Probably he found out he needs to sell his shit cause no Russian buys it }

WDF · 07-19-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

You really need to take medicine before posting because I am having problems to understand all that anger, aggression and suffering that is coming from you. Not sure about what business you are talking about and what are you asking,really. Calm down and try to control yourself. I will check what you wrote in the morning.

I know you understand everything posted and implied!

I am sure you know exactly what I am talking about when it comes to "your business".

Your words here, as well as mine, can have a significant effect on "your business". I am sure you are aware of that also.

I do not scream and there is nothing you can say or do to make me hurt let alone suffer.

Can the same be said about me making you scream and/or suffer, I think you know the real answer to that question.

Who here is going to do business, of any sort, with you when you spend more time spell checking your propaganda posts then your business sig?

Go ahead, poke the bear, don't cry when he eats you, you requested it.

Mutt · 07-19-2014, 03:12 PM

LOL @ the Russians trying to distance themselves from the rebels like they aren't one and the same. The whole war is about the heavily ethnic Russian area in East Ukraine wanting to break off and join Russia, with Putin's approval and help.

They screwed up royally, they didn't intend to shoot down a civilian plane. Any attempt by Russia to claim that the Ukranians shot the plane down to frame Russia is laughable.

Just admit you fucked up and leave Ukraine alone to its own business.

All so tragic, I do a fair bit of Euro bashing on here and it's for a reason - the entire continent has a history of bloodshed that is based on centuries of tribal hatred that never gets forgotten, not much different than the Middle East. Ask these Yugoslav guys on here, they would love to go back to war to avenge whatever bullshit bothers them. It never ends.

MaDalton · 07-19-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Ask these Yugoslav guys on here, they would love to go back to war to avenge whatever bullshit bothers them. It never ends.

just some bad apples - i have friends from Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia - they all get along fine.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-19-2014, 04:59 PM

This is the second time I have heard 10,000ft -- the first time was an internet recording of some "network" news link immediately after the plane was shot down.

Was this former Yugoslav Colonel the source of the news broadcast's information? All the other reports were of an altitude of 30,000ft.

Strange ...

MaDalton · 07-19-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This is the second time I have heard 10,000ft -- the first time was an internet recording of some "network" news link immediately after the plane was shot down.

Was this former Yugoslav Colonel the source of the news broadcast's information? All the other reports were of an altitude of 30,000ft.

Strange ...

there is nothing strange about that - just idiots that confuse feet and meters - because 10,000 meter = 30,000 feet

and commercial airplanes usually fly between 30,000 and 40,000 feet

10,000 feet would mean 3000 meter and i think we can all agree that a commercial airplane will not fly that low

also the airspace over east Ukraine was closed at this time up to 9700 meters

MaDalton · 07-19-2014, 06:17 PM

btw - it's pretty telling that the flight recorder disappeared - while only the separatists have access to that area...

Lichen · 07-19-2014, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Simple question, who would benefit from this ?
-Russian state? No, at any way.
- Local militia fighting against pro nazi? ... no way,
- Ukrainian army (not a real army but a bunch of mercenaries and nazis) that declared day before it they are retreating from positions...probably.

They didn't plan it. The russkie terrorists thought they were shooting at a Ukrainian military plane.

klinton · 07-19-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Katja wescort

half of the world is a war zone, you would bankrupt the flight industry

not really

The Porn Nerd · 07-19-2014, 09:36 PM

I have absolutely no idea what's going on here.

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oppoten · 07-19-2014, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oppoten

Not defending Putin, but it's a great way of keeping Gaza off the front pages.

Daily Mail website currently has no fewer than 12 articles about the crash at the top of the homepage. Gaza is pushed well down the page.

It's now 14.

Gaza is the 56th highest story, excluding the sidebar.

adultchatpay · 07-20-2014, 01:02 AM

They have to pay for this.

Theo · 07-20-2014, 01:19 AM

Whoever did this knew it was the specific, commercial flight. You don't posses high-end military equipment, have the know-how to use it and get confused on the target.

Kolargol · 07-20-2014, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AVN Theo

Whoever did this knew it was the specific, commercial flight. You don't posses high-end military equipment, have the know-how to use it and get confused on the target.

Pro-russian rebels bragged about shooting down military transport plane just before the news about shooting down Malaysian jet. Then they quickly removed the posts (screenshots are still all over the net though).

femdomdestiny · 07-20-2014, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

just 3 major flaws in your post:

- a "benefit" would imply it was intentional - which it seems it wasn't

we don't know that yet and as mentioned before, our opinions are useless in such serious situation. Personally I think it was done by mistake but that is just my opinion that can be changed after we are reading new info every day.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

- the plane was at 30,000 feet, not 10,000 feet

Genuine article is here: http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.... av_id=878454

Colonel said in meters but google translate did bad job and translated into feet. Click above and find it by yourself. Anyway, google or not google mistake,you really thought that guy with such experience is mixing feet and meters? How prepotent from you.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

- whoever handled the BUK was not necessarily the most experienced and therefore probably not able to identify a civilian plane

BUK is more complicated system than one man portable launchers and requires more people to operate system. Everything we say about this is purely a speculation, nothing more and it reflects our personal opinion, except if someone from here operated this system and I would really love to hear his opinion in that case.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

but probably i am not normal and not thinking clear...

Did I say that for you? Or you made a conclusion on your own like you are doing for things above?Why you are putting words into my mouth? I've just showed you above how easily you can be wrong based on mistake made by third side, and until this moment you used that as main argument. Precisely because of this, we should not blame anyone for terrible incident until we get more details. Or you are all still on medieval level of justice so if someone say "she is the witch", you rush and put it on bonefire?

femdomdestiny · 07-20-2014, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

just some bad apples - i have friends from Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia - they all get along fine.

Sure they do, I have very good friends from Slovenia, Croatia...etc....but as long as there are people blaming other without clear evidences, problems will be there. One reason more why all sides should calm down before agression starts.

femdomdestiny · 07-20-2014, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This is the second time I have heard 10,000ft -- the first time was an internet recording of some "network" news link immediately after the plane was shot down.

Was this former Yugoslav Colonel the source of the news broadcast's information? All the other reports were of an altitude of 30,000ft.

Strange ...

It is google translate mistake, colonel said in meters. Check link above,and you can easily find guy was talking about meters ,not feet.

femdomdestiny · 07-20-2014, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol

Pro-russian rebels bragged about shooting down military transport plane just before the news about shooting down Malaysian jet. Then they quickly removed the posts (screenshots are still all over the net though).

One of the reasons why I believe they did it by mistake, but that is just my opinion.
Only legitimate way to blame someone for this is that what I wrote above.

US defense department should precisely state: when, (time),where from(coordinates) with what (type of rocket) and who controlled that region in the moment of incident.

Russian army must do precisely the same. After that we can see is there a difference and if there it is, why is there and debate further.

Why both relevant sides don't give such info? They do have technology and they all monitor region all the time. Something sucks there.

femdomdestiny · 07-20-2014, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

there is nothing strange about that - just idiots that confuse feet and meters - because 10,000 meter = 30,000 feet

and commercial airplanes usually fly between 30,000 and 40,000 feet

10,000 feet would mean 3000 meter and i think we can all agree that a commercial airplane will not fly that low

also the airspace over east Ukraine was closed at this time up to 9700 meters

Useless post because it was based on wrong info.

femdomdestiny · 07-20-2014, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WDF

I know you understand everything posted and implied!

no, I don't because I do not have enough experience with paranoid people, so I am calling you to explain precisely what you are trying to say here.

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Originally Posted by WDF

I am sure you know exactly what I am talking about when it comes to "your business". Your words here, as well as mine, can have a significant effect on "your business". I am sure you are aware of that also.

No,I don't know what you are talking about , it sounds like some kind of threat, but usually I do not have habit to seriously take people acting like you , especially over internet , it sounds very childish.( so again ,you are free to give your explanation ,in public)

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Originally Posted by WDF

I do not scream and there is nothing you can say or do to make me hurt let alone suffer.

You just did it again,in first sentence. Try to control all that rage, you will feel better.

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Originally Posted by WDF

Who here is going to do business, of any sort, with you when you spend more time spell checking your propaganda posts then your business sig?

Go ahead, poke the bear, don't cry when he eats you, you requested it.

I really can only laugh on this statement. I am guessing that you are coming from some repressive environment where people live this way. If so,I am sorry for you, but most of the time I work alone and people that I am getting in contact here are professional and serious (though nothing in my online business model depends on them or their decisions). If someone's personal opinion on some subject is something that you use ti decide will you work with him or not, I would like to know , how old are you?

07-19-2014, 09:23 AM	#404
CAHEK C.C.C.P. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Novorossiya Posts: 6,859	Quick major lessons from this thread don't fly an plane into war zone period. __________________ Pharma from True-Meds. High converting shop in Europe and USA, fast payouts via BTC !!!

07-19-2014, 09:39 AM	#405
katja_AWNews Deep Into Cams Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: EU Posts: 324	instead of showing some respect, CyberSEO is trying to become a spokes person for Russia and blind us with his propaganda, who is he to have a voice here anyways His appearance here is hurting many, he is disrespectful. A lot of Russians do the opposite, placing letters at the ambassador buildings world wide with the text " forgive us " __________________ Your Live Cam Butterfly

07-19-2014, 10:31 AM	#410
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	When civilian airliners start launching missiles at foreign soil then and only then will this Gaza action get as much attention as a civilian jet carrying almost 300 civilians being shot down. I did not see Malaysian Airlines launching rockets at Pro Russian Separatists or Russia. On the other hand Hamas in Gaza has prompted a military response. If you can not see the difference you might as well defend Putin. __________________ Please HELP

07-19-2014, 11:45 AM	#422
femdomdestiny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,169	Craziest shit is that many of you are convinced what happened and acting without excuse like it is absolute truth. No one of us know what happened (in this moment). New info every day. For all those who are able to try to think clear, try to get as much info from various resources. Simple question, who would benefit from this ? -Russian state? No, at any way. - Local militia fighting against pro nazi? ... no way, - Ukrainian army (not a real army but a bunch of mercenaries and nazis) that declared day before it they are retreating from positions...probably. Still,it doesn't mean that they did it, maybe it was done by mistake. Remember when they downed Russian civil plane back in 2001, Ukrainians denied it until last moment when Russians showed evidence, and on that moment they accepted their guilt. Ukraine is only one benefiting from this. People already forgot people burned alive, killed people over Russian border, or 20 killed civilians in next day (by artilery)...etc. Wars are made on faked excuse and staged event (WMD in Iraq, Markale in Bosnia, Racak "massacre" in Kosovo...etc), so we should all be very careful judging this terrible event. Now, if you want to understand, try to get as many info as possible from various sources. below is what ex colonel with huge war experience in this sphere, mr. Zoltán Dani said (he is Serbian citizen, Hungarian nationality, guy that downed F 117 an d F16. Read about his skills more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolt%C3%A1n_Dani ): Translation: "It is impossible that the soldier who fired the rocket did not know it was a passenger civilian airliner. Civilian aircraft flying at altitudes of 10,000 feet, what was the Malaysian passenger plane, have far more reflective surfaces on the radar of the military," says Zoltan Days to Morning Journal. He says that the opposite is possible only if the person who fired the rocket was completely ignorant. "Even if he thought it was" flying fortress "plane B-2 or B-52, yet he could not make a mistake because you do not have aircraft with SR as a civilian," tell Danny. The former Yugoslav Army colonel says that the soldier who fired the rocket, it is understood that it flies towards the civilian passenger plane, could destroy the missile before it hit the plane. "Yes, he could activate the self-destruct code for the rocket and the tragedy would not have happened," says Denis. Asked whether the pilot Malaysian aircraft could see the rocket, he said: "I could see her, but he could not do. Civilian aircraft do not have the ability to" escape "missiles. Unfortunately, the pilot if he saw a rocket, a few seconds until the moment when the rocket hit it," says Zoltan Dani. __________________ Femdom Destiny -------------------------------------------- ICQ: 463-630-426 email: webmaster(at)femdomdestiny.com

07-19-2014, 11:55 AM	#423
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	Another member of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) that is trying to deflect all Russian responsibility for this tragedy. When will you learn that your fairy tale story that Russians and the Russian state having no responsibility has no merit here. __________________ Please HELP

07-19-2014, 10:58 AM	#414
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07-19-2014, 12:12 PM	#424
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07-19-2014, 12:51 PM	#426
WDF Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville,TN. Music City U.S.A. Posts: 2,248	No, you posted your opinion which was a complete deflection of the blame and read like all of the other pure propaganda. You insult all of us by posting your propaganda and then insult us again when we refuse to believe it. You sound like the official state news agency talking about Nazi's. You use these words to spark outrage and it doesn't work. Does that upset you? When considering your Pro Russian post history I understand why you spend your time deflecting away from Russia and posting as you do. Maybe this type of stuff works where you live, but not here! Try again comrade. Do you think it is having an effect on your business yet? Do you think it might in the near future? I would consider those questions seriously before you make your next post. __________________ Please HELP

07-19-2014, 02:02 PM	#431
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07-19-2014, 03:12 PM	#433
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	LOL @ the Russians trying to distance themselves from the rebels like they aren't one and the same. The whole war is about the heavily ethnic Russian area in East Ukraine wanting to break off and join Russia, with Putin's approval and help. They screwed up royally, they didn't intend to shoot down a civilian plane. Any attempt by Russia to claim that the Ukranians shot the plane down to frame Russia is laughable. Just admit you fucked up and leave Ukraine alone to its own business. All so tragic, I do a fair bit of Euro bashing on here and it's for a reason - the entire continent has a history of bloodshed that is based on centuries of tribal hatred that never gets forgotten, not much different than the Middle East. Ask these Yugoslav guys on here, they would love to go back to war to avenge whatever bullshit bothers them. It never ends. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-19-2014, 04:59 PM	#435
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	This is the second time I have heard 10,000ft -- the first time was an internet recording of some "network" news link immediately after the plane was shot down. Was this former Yugoslav Colonel the source of the news broadcast's information? All the other reports were of an altitude of 30,000ft. Strange ... Last edited by Barry-xlovecam; 07-19-2014 at 05:00 PM..

07-19-2014, 06:17 PM	#437
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07-19-2014, 09:36 PM	#440
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07-20-2014, 01:02 AM	#442
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07-20-2014, 01:19 AM	#443
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Whoever did this knew it was the specific, commercial flight. You don't posses high-end military equipment, have the know-how to use it and get confused on the target.