nico-t

thats because the big fastfood chains have the best spots, also for example along highways in europe, because they have the money. Plus american fastfood chains are fast and efficient - our local 'fast food' is made per order and they dont have drive through.
I hate mcd's but sometimes it all comes down to convenience - in a rush, you don't want to wait long, dont wanna get out the car, and it's right there along the way you're going. That's the only reason i sometimes eat that crap.

aka123

How do you automate the removal of sick chickens?

The feeding is automated, the slaughter is automated (though someone puts the chickens on the slaughter line), but unless you have some really sophisticated Mr. Robot, the removal of sick chickens doesn't happen automated.

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dyna mo

Again, for the truly fucking dense, that's the point of the video. You don't get that automation still needs human touch points? I mean really. That doesn't make whacking them with a spiked bat OK, that's the fucking point of the fucking video.

The can remove the sick birds manually and kill them in a different way. Jtfc. It's not fucking rocket science.

aka123

Yes, the idea of the video is that they do it poorly/cruel and don't finish off the birds.

About the automation, it was me who said that they still need people to do that job. You was the one who didn't get that they still need people for that. I don't know what you are smoking at weekends, but switch to whatever you smoke during working days.

But to finishing off the birds, I do it by twisting the neck about 3-4 times. Like corkscrew. It is efficient and actually if you twist any more the head more or less cuts off. Choking has been banned in here for long time, so basically there are left whacking or breaking the neck (what they essentially do in the slaughter process).

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dyna mo

Look, I know you're on the offensive because of your homophobic comments elsewhere. That explains why you are on tge offensive here and fail at getting the point.

Otherwise, you are either too fucking stupid to get it or you think it's OK for a guy to walk around whacking chickens like that. Either way, you're a fucking homophobic tool.

aka123

Hey, no need to be offensive because of my homophobic comments. It is still OK for you to be gay.

But that hasn't that much to do with the subject, unless it is about gay chickens. Which I surely hope is not the case in here, as it would be terrible hate crime to whack gay chickens.

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Just let it all out!

Jel

the ultimate mindfuck isn't he

dyna mo

i'm not aggro about it. just using the vernacular a gfyer like him can understand.
it's the only way to communicate with numbskulls like that. he couldn't figure it out before, but he got it after that post.

dyna mo

i have no idea whatsoever why that numbskull would skate over the point of this thread as well as confuse my comments simply to gruesomely detail chicken killing.

aka123

"Of course not, that's what I'm saying. At a chicken farm that kills 120k chickens a day, why is there a guy running around with a spiked bat whacking chickens, because they got out if line? No."

Okay, I am going to take another approach to this. This time I forget what you are writing in here and I am trying to be clairvoyant:

Because it is cost effective. Killing properly takes precious seconds. You know; business is business and all that stuff. Chickens, gay porn, whatever. Efficiency; hormones in meat fuck yeah, shitloads of antibiotics fuck yeah! Yeah, guess in what country, yeah!


EDIT YEAH!:

"Next time you're enjoying a plate of giant Buffalo wings or chowing down on a giant steak, think about the size of the animal that must have produced it. Have you ever noticed how much bigger some U.S. cows, chickens, and turkeys are than their European counterparts? That's because many of America's animal farms actually mix in synthetic hormones with the feedstock, making their cows, pigs, and other animals grow a lot bigger and faster than they usually would.

"While the practice has been given the thumbs up by the Food and Drug Administration, many overseas countries feel that the resultant meat and meat products are not all that safe for human consumption and disapprove of the practice. For this reason, and several others, a handful of common U.S. meat products are actually banned from sale abroad."

These American Meat Products Are Banned Abroad*|*The Daily Meal

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aka123

"Generally speaking, American-raised chickens are bred in incredibly cramped conditions. Thousands of birds are literally stuffed inside massive warehouses and spend their lives standing, sleeping, and eating in their own waste. It makes sense then, that the meat picks up a lot of pathogens. After the chickens are slaughtered, they?re washed in chlorine to rid them of some of nastiest germs. The European Union is not having it. Convinced the process is dangerous to humans because the chlorine likely lingers in the meat, they?ve banned these chemical baths across the E.U. They?ve also banned the chlorine-bathed chicken from the U.S., to boot."

These American Meat Products Are Banned AbroadÂ*|Â*The Daily Meal

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dyna mo

again, you're a fucking clueless homophobe.

Jel

It's the language barrier + pedantry, without him understanding what or why he is being pedantic about. It's like trying to converse with a bright 9 year old, who still doesn't get the actual point/context, but mistakenly thinks they do. I seriously lmao every time I see someone get into it with him, I feel their fucking pain lol... I slipped up yesterday and got sucked in myself - lesson learned for at least a couple of months

dyna mo

i hear ya, although i'm not so sure about the language barrier, he seems to have a decent grasp of the language and he can certainly grasp the intent and tone of this thread.

he's been popping up on my anti-American gfyers radar. i was trying to give him a break though, that's why i've stayed out of the thread with his homophobic slurs, but if he's going to twist my posts (and this thread) into nonsense, i'm going to straighten them back out.

aka123

You don't believe me that the chicken whacking is a combination of efficiency seeking/ lack of caring/ that famous desensitization?

As that it is. The sick chickens are about to be removed and it is done like that because it is easy and fast way to do it, and they don't really care about the chickens.

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bronco67

Are they humane when they kill my McGriddle sandwich? That's the only thing I eat from Mickey Ds.

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420

I think the main point of the video is to hate on mcdonalds. Because as I said these chickens never become food or even pseudo-food like mcnuggets. They're considered useless by the producers and treated as such.

The spiked thing seems barbaric but perhaps it kills most of them instantly. I'm not saying it's "right". That's just the way it is.


They stab holes in trees and extract their delicious sap without killing them. I wonder if a maple tree can feel pain. Then again the maple flavor in mcgriddles probably comes from chicken byproducts.

PornSEO

I hate McDonald's. Hate them even more after reading this thread.

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420

Why? Ronald mcdonald didn't invent the spiked chicken club. And mcdonalds stopped buying from this supplier after they found out about the inhumane-ness. I could understand better if you hated all mass produced chicken or something.

I hate manipulative people who make films like this one. Kaley cuoco telling me to stop clubbing baby seals is one thing. But this mcdonalds chicken guy... fuck him.

jscott

420... another thought is if McDonalds eats into their profits a bit to hire people who monitor those suppliers.

McDonalds is buying millions of chickens for their meat and "not knowing" the procedure, pain, torture inflicted at all is just ridiculous. They either didn't know because they didn't care, or they just didn't care. (until now they are exposed, of course now they care, time for cleanup the PR mess)

aka123

How does it matter that do these wasted chickens end up on your plate or not? That is anyways part of the production of the chickens those do end up on your plate.

It is like for example pigs dying because of overcrowding. If for example 3/10 pigs do die because of poor conditions, are the "survived" ones somehow ethically produced?

By the way, the spike at the end of the club seems to be more like just for grabbing the chickens. If you would hit the chicken in the head (brains) with it, it kills instantly, but easier said than done (as can seen from the video). More humane method would be to club the chickens and then break those necks.

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420

@jscott

I think you're right that the people in charge of sourcing chicken for mcdonalds don't give a fuck about chickens. It's not their job to police the farms. They could hire more inspectors but farmers probably don't do "chicken removal" on inspection days.

I just think the supplier would beat chickens no matter who was buying them. Whether they were supplying walmart, mcdonalds, kfc, whole foods... they would treat the birds the same way.


@aka123 The story tells how chickens are treated before becoming mcnuggets. I wasn't saying it's ethical. Just the story is misleading because the clubbed ones don't become anything but compost. Also, the unclubbed ones become lots of things besides mcdonalds.

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aka123

I am quite sure they don't mean it that literally. Treating the chickens is seen as a whole as it should be seen. They are not in chicken whacking business, they produce chicken meat. Also, Mcdonald's might be the only buyer. For example here in Finland big chains like Kesko, etc. buys many farms whole production. They actually make deals; they (Kesko, etc.) get reliable supply and the seller gets reliable buyer.

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420

They're really quite pricey for a bit of bleached chicken protein and starch.

I view each creature as an individual. Some died inhumanely but I didn't eat those. And I think they were going to die of illness or something like that anyway. I can't see how a bullet to the head or anything that is considered more humane would be a better fate. If something is dead that's the worst thing to me. It can't remember if it died a painless death or not. That is if a chicken can even feel pain like we do.



The farm produced chickens for Tyson who then processed and sold some to mcdonalds. Tyson also sells fresh whole chickens and frozen processed chicken in retail stores. Maybe not these specifically though. I'm not sure.

"Mercy For Animals said it documented animal abuse and inhumane conditions at T&S Farms, which the group said supplied chickens to a nearby Tyson processing plant that produced chicken McNuggets and other chicken products for McDonald’s"

aka123

Yeah, but this isn't about viewing chicken individuals, it is about viewing the manufacturing process.

The chickens are about to die anyways, all of them, as do we all, but this is about that how is the manufacturing process and especially the death part arranged. Is it done with enough humane way or not? Chickens can feel pain, but of course not like us, as no animal feels the pain in the same way. Even men and women don't feel it the same way. There really isn't painless death if you are conscious, but I still support that the chickens about to decompose are dead before throwing into the compost.

We can't remember anything when dead, but I still assume you bother to do thing or two for yourself while still alive?

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jscott

Yea I agree, but at least this exposure makes that source lose the business of McDonalds, they have or will eventually get new clients, but at least maybe (hopefully) next time they'll think, "hey, lets try to not torture/beat these animals to death"

JFK

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dyna mo

i see. but the reason to hate on mcdonald's is on account of how the sick chickens are treated/killed at the farm. the chicken farmers could electrocute the sick chickens just like how they kill the healthy ones.

aka123

"In her renowned book Slaughterhouse, Gail Eisnitz explains: “Other industrialized nations require that chickens be rendered unconscious or killed prior to bleeding and scalding, so they won’t have to go through those processes conscious. Here in the United States, however, poultry plants—exempt from the Humane Slaughter Act and still clinging to the industry myth that a dead animal won’t bleed properly—keep the stunning current down to about one-tenth that needed to render a chicken unconscious.” This means that chickens are still completely conscious when their throats are cut.

After the blade cuts their necks, blood slowly drains from the dying birds. But many birds flap about and miss the blade. These birds may have their throats slit by the “backup cutter,” but workers testify that it’s impossible for them to catch all the birds who miss the blade. According to USDA records, millions of chickens every year are still completely conscious when they are dunked into the scalding-hot water of the defeathering tanks."

Chicken Transport and Slaughter | Chickens Used for Food | Factory Farming: Misery for Animals | The Issues | PETA

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dyna mo

again with gruesome details that have absolutely nothing to do with my comment.

and ftr, i wasn't addressing you, you've proven yourself obtuse and incapable of discussion here.

aka123

My quote clearly shows that the healthy (enough to be slaughtered) chickens aren't killed by electrocuting as you said. That was the point and as this thread's subject is heavily focused to killing sick chickens, my comment is very much in place. They don't kill even the healthy ones by electrocuting. Though they maybe could do that for the sick ones, but the killing facilities are probably in another place than in the farm. You know; in slaughterhouse.

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aka123

Chickens have parasites in all forms of production. If you put shitloads of chickens on some crowded space, there is bound to be parasites and diseases, no matter how much you would pump antibiotics and poisons into those.

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dyna mo

and that's why you are incapable of discussion. i never stated the chickens are killed by electrocution. i stated they can be treated/killed the same way as healthy ones, which is to electrocute the shit out them.

Plutocracy

Ya me too lol I thought it was made from weird sludge that wasn't chicken lol

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dyna mo

there's this thing called the humane slaughter act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humane_Slaughter_Act

whacking fully conscious chickens with a fucking spiked bat does not qualify as humane slaughter.

aka123

Sorry, I must still must be hallucinating about you saying this about killing the chickens. And as the healthy ones aren't killed by electrocution, my notice is valid.

" the chicken farmers could electrocute the sick chickens just like how they kill the healthy ones."

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dyna mo

again, you've proven yourself incapable of discussion. heads fucking up, the healthy ones are electrocuted as part of the slaughter process.


i'm not here to write 250 word fucking posts explaining every fucking thing, adults that are capable of dialogue work to understand each other, not misunderstand.

you're just playing gotcha bullshit

aka123

If you actually read my quote, the chickens are electrocuted, yes, but not to death or even stunned. Those just get a little "buzz".

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AntonMG

Agreed

dyna mo

your quote is from 2006 and long outdated. just another reason you shouldn't be in this thread. you are clueless and try to misunderstand other's comments instead of trying to understand.

Jel

I did warn you

aka123

I shouldn't be in this thread because of an outdated link? What the other reasons are? Because you don't like me saying something against your saying?
You didn't even provide never source. Besides 9 years is not that long time.

Yes, I get that you think that whacking chickens is bad. Are all the other stuff you said just some filling for that?

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