looter

The fake overlay is only showing on her cam and I checked the redirects so she must be the one stealing.
Sucks she is at the top of the list so everyone using top converting flow link is feeding her chat.
I have sent this information to support but it's the weekend so probably won't be removed soon.

chaturbate.com/sassyhelen

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You can see she has a fake remove ads overlay linking to tinyurl.
chaturbate.com/external_link/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fchaturbate-remove-ads&domain=tinyurl.com

It then redirects them back to her cam under her affiliate url.
chaturbate.com/affiliates/in/dT8X/u5hOj/?track=default&room=sassyhelen

Greedy ass doesn't understand the cost of sending traffic to her chat.
Hopefully she gets banned or all referrals removed from her account at the very least.

TrafficXXXL

Actually she works for chaturbate. They work hand in hand to screw legit webmasters
I will expect more models from chaturbate studios using this method in the future.

sarettah

bump to get cb's attention

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DamnSexy

Chaturbate's Terms & Conditions say :
I think what she does is considered legal by chaturbate, as long as she doesn't use another website affiliate program.

punker barbie

All broadcasters are independent contractors. Im looking into this now.

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looter

I can give her some appreciation. That is a very good click bait call to action. She should jump into affiliate marketing.

adultmobile

It could be interesting if chaturbate could tell how many signups made with her affiliate id. Since 100% of these signups come from this method, that would quantify exactly how much she stealed to affiliates.

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sarettah

Well, it appears that the external link is gone.

https://chaturbate.com/sassyhelen/

Or you can let me steal your referral at Chat with Sassyhelen in a Live Adult Video Chat Room Now ;p

Thanks Punker

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astronaut x

How much she "stealed?"

georgeyw

Many models link their affiliate id in their profile, not exactly the same thing, but it is still bs that they can do it.

They should have to bring new traffic, not simply steal traffic that was already sent there by someone else.

BIGTYMER

Exactly. Shits rampant on there.

Mr.Fiction

Is there a good reason the cam hosts don't just make that type of linking illegal?

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baggg

Yup, those models should be warned or banned tbh

Markul

Okay, so can you please clarify if you guys are going to (actively) stop performers stealing traffic we send or not?

adultmobile

Well I am director of different cam sites since 10+ years and I never seen 1 single new pay user "really found by a cam girl" and let signup into a cam site, by a cam girl. What the cam girls call "own marketing" or the concept of "indy cam girl", it is setting up a twitter or else site/account with same username they have in cam sites, in the hope that the cam site users (all of which bring by affiliates or cam site's own media buying) will google her name and find her outside the site. This is indirect stealing. Or, the model will "actively steal" the guy out of the cam site, i.e. passing links, skype accounts or whatever. If the site allows or is unable to monitor, she will hardcode the links - even more smart way as this model done, transforming affiliate links into her own links, not even needed to send the users elsewhere.

The good news for cam sites (but not for affiliates), it is that most models need a cam site anyway as "skype+paypal/western union" is not feasible or wanted by every user and/or model, so the models bounce the users between cam sites anyway. So if model1 steals 10 users from site A, she brings +10 users to site B (with her affiliate account, doubling her %). Also, model2 will steal 10 users from site B into site A. Do the math, this is ok for both site A and site B, as long as number of users stealing into, is at least equal to users stealed out.
For affiliates this is only bad news, because the model replaces all the times the affiliate ID of the affiliate with her own, in the process of bonce the user between sites (or, as this smart one, not even need to bounce betweem sites, but doing a live replace of affiliate id before of signup).

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xxx6live

Not to defend the shady tactics, but the chaturbate cookies are 1 month and not overwritable?

So if you did send traffic to her page, your cookie will stick and you get any sales, since it was there first. Her cookie will only be set if there was no cookies there before.

Or I am misunderstanding something, as always...

The Porn Nerd

With so many cam options why does anyone promote Chaturbate to begin with? Crazy.

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sarettah

Just my

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Can't do that kind of biz with other cam sponsors tho?

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sarettah

I have no idea. I just know what I have done with them and why I continue to promote them.

edited in: That is without spending anything on traffic and without touching any sites code since February.

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LatinaCamChat

Are those peasant stats supposed to be impressive?

sarettah

Nope, not at all. He asked why anyone would promote them.

My answer is $17k this year without putting out any effort is why someone (me) would promote them.

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LatinaCamChat

ok, just kidding, but 40-45% is nice

The Porn Nerd

You may have just convinced me to promote them now.

Nice job!

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sarettah

You really should avoid promoting cams. They are evil.

I wouldn't promote them myself but I sealed my fate with the devil long ago.

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you're a really smart dude so honestly I'm baffled by your (ongoing) argument, it's both comically insulting and illogical.

how do affs attract clients to send to their sponsor sites? what makes you assume that cammers don't avail themselves of the same menu of methods? just because you don't see what we do doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

you work in a very specific segment of the market in a role that inherently sets you apart from the work of your contractors that you disparage. extrapolating that personal experience to a monolithic conclusion is just...intellectually lazy and totally devoid of imagination

I have mad respect for you but you are so fucking wrong

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sarettah

Damn you're hot when you use those college words ;p

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CPA-Rush

some models are f*ck*** greedy, like to get 100% , i had few regulars from chaturbate who asked me to send paypal if i can't send tkns...despite that i was not the standard cam user ...hardly agree on anything offered to me,it could be a trap or worse... a scam lol, but many others girls are pretty cool .just love to work alone they don't understand the concept though

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adultmobile

What I said it is 100% correct in the "very specific segment of the market in my role", to use your college words
Much like it is most probable that there is alien life in outer space, it is enough probable that cam girls could exist, who are not in cam sites, and find/generate so many pay users who do not come from cam sites, in some way I ignore.
My statement is super correct in my specific segment, which is a few thousands of cam models I deal with, in particular a sample of few hundreds me (and my admins) talk frankly with. However, I do know models who are not in our cam sites (or any cam site) exist, for example you do not login my cam site since 03-Dec-2013, I see, so I have no any idea where and how you, specifically, are getting new pay users (perhaps, the outer space).

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JesseQuinn

not as hot as your coding

and don't stick out that tongue unless you're prepared to use it =)

ok, gotcha, so if something doesn't exist within your specific range of (self-admittedly) limited experience occupying a very specific occupation within the industry it doesn't exist. glad we're both on the same page in that regard.

as to your site, not sure how that is relevant but let's go with that.

I did try it briefly but it didn't work for me. It's a great site with some laudable model terms, it just wasn't for me. I just simply don't have a lifestyle that enables me to jump on cam the picosecond a guy decides to purchase a show. Camming fits into the life I've built and continue to build, I've worked hard to not have to shape my life around it.

when I'm available if it takes me 10 mins to finish whatever I'm doing and head inside to cam my guys wait for me and I adore them for that. I get new ones every day due to my own efforts , I just can't cam as much as I used to due to other responsibilities so I pass em on elsewhere when I'm busy and receive a percentage for my efforts. when I can see 'em myself I do though.

despite not having worked a big box cam site in eons the traffic I acquire must come from outer space...completely rational and plausible conclusion

You're good peeps but fuck me your perspective is mesozoic

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The Porn Nerd

I see what you did there!

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DBS.US

Why? Because I got paid off with a free T-Shirt

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The Porn Nerd

That's why I only say nice things about GFY, too.
I'm a sucker for t-shirts.

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BIGTYMER

Nice signup ratio. 1:28. What's the secret? I'm sending quality clicked traffic and doing a terrible 1:200 with them. Revshare.

j3rkules

Followers: 240955

Money talks.

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mopek1

Maybe his traffic is filtered so that it turns out it really is 1:200 in the end.

nikki99

chaturbate is good , leave PB alone

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DBS.US

You just need to sign up here, and start sending traffic >>> Chaturbate Affiliate Program

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Ribbet Hog

chaterbate is torure on the girls...

adultmobile

I represent a perspective of a "very specific segment of the market in my role" which got not less rights to be expressed than yours, being based on data (stats, chat logs etc.) I can provide as evidence. I mean, what I tell it is all what I know being true in my operational area, and there's a general consensus about this when I talk with other cam admins/operators, altough I did not talked with all of them of course.

It would have been a disservice not to disclose both mine and your information in the forum. I am sorry you called my information "comically insulting and illogical, intellectually lazy and totally devoid of imagination, so fucking wrong, mesozoic". I instead believe your information it is also true. Except my personal curiosity to know how you get cam customers, our joint efforts can let us create an unprecedented collection of data from different sources, which can be used by historians as a base of books and so on.

Specifically, you claim to have information I miss, which is how you get guys: "I get new [cam customers] every day due to my own efforts". Those "my own efforts", connected with a successful "new every day"... you wrote: "how do affs attract clients to send to their sponsor sites? what makes you assume that cammers don't avail themselves of the same menu of methods?". So you say you do same as an affiliate, right? Just you are an affiliate + cam model. Well most affiliates do not generate 1+ new pay user per day, but more likely one per week or less. If I look at mine sites (and in general all the cam sites) affiliates stats, you see that 90% of new customers are sent by 1% of the affiliates, which own big sites (like, tubes, but not only). Then hundreds of other affiliates, the 99% of them, are bringing collectively the 10% of users. I do know of cam models (but more often, studios) who also are affiliates, but they can generate those small signups (yes I admin, some cam models can do a few), which alone however, would not sustain themselves as models - and anyway, that's like 1 model every 100 which can generate these like 1 signup every week or less. It could of course be that models able to generate many signups (in a way I ignore) do not stay online in cam sites at all, and so the cam sites totally miss that part of the story. Still, it would be right to state that those models who are active in the cam sites, are not bringing own customers.

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sarettah

Not sure what the secret is..lol. It is primarily SE traffic. (edited in: I am doing 100% revshare)

I get about 60% of all users that hit the sites to the sponsor. So, going from the actual users that hit my sites it is about 1 in 48 that sign up.





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Haa Haa ! Its back ! lol

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Denny

Yep, strange. I make much more money with other programs than with CB.

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Andreweb

I still make more money with CB than with other cam programs , maybe thats why I get a lot of traffic from SE on the sites where I promote them and I tried to change those sites on another cam sponsor but it was a fiasco so I stay with them and I promote other programs on other sites !

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mopek1

That's still very good. I imagine it is quite targeted then. I assumed the big sites had all the top spots in the SE's for cam keywords but I guess they missed a few.

Penny24Seven

Try LJ, I have X 2 with them, just saying.
Also that guy called you out but makes less with his stats so wtf is that? lol

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