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WendyB · 10-23-2003, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Choker
Sigh, first I did not call Wendy a thief until she started talking smack here. When someone does a search on her domain in findtrades it says "This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of TTT" Wendy's attitude is pretty typical of the guys who are using this stolen script. They don't care. 95% of them know it is a stolen version. Hell on the stolen scripts support forum there are posts there saying so. Once they are blacklisted it is ususally less than a day before they find out. Of course they are going to be upset because they got found out. As far as emailing them, how many will get the email? I know I filter 95% of my email. Putting them in the blacklist is the fastest way to get thier attention. What they do after that depends upon their character. Is it a coincendence that 90% of the sites using this stolen script also link to CP or beast? I don't want the 1% traffic that I should be getting from them for using my scipt, I don't want them using my script at all.

Wendy whether you agree or disagree with my methods, you know now this is a stolen script. Making excuses for continued usage of this script shows your true character. Your pathetic attempts to slander me in various threads lately is really funny. Dig all you want bitch, you will not find anything on me. We can go on forever with this little game. I find it very entertaining.

As stated numerous times before, whatever issue you have between the developer of CJOverkill, the script I use, is between you and them.

It is not my desire nor intent to be involved in your affairs.

The matter between you and I developed as a direct result of you stating on your web site my site was using a stolen version of TTT. Granted at the time I was unaware of the above mentioned ongoing dispute you are involved in.

The act of banning my site from findtrades is not what I have issue with. Unfortunately I am now aware of the actual day my site was placed in the ban status.

Equally interesting, please note the CJOVERKILL trade script is the same trade program that was in use when you originally approved ASIANFRENZ.COM for inclusion in findtrades. If there was a problem with the trade program, it would have reasonably expected you could of notified me of your concerns, at that time.

If I could be candid with you for a moment. Consider the flip side of the coin how this could have played out, had you approached me in a more professional way.

During the past 24 hours I admittedly have had to do a lot of homework in this matter, and unfortunately I am unable to determine the validity of your claim regarding the CJOverkill trade program. This does seem to be a gray area, and without definitive input from an independent software developer watch dog group, still leaves this matter unresolved.

While the court of public opinion is still in session, and responses I have seen are not as clear or passionate as you in this matter. What would really be helpful is for you to provide a verified offer of proof that the two programs are identical, and declaring you the rightful owner and publisher. Without such proof such as third party watchdog group analysis and / or court ruling, places webmasters like myself in an uncomfortable position.

As many of us have seen in this matter, there are people speaking up from both sides of the fence. In one corner, the claims CJOverkill is an exact copy, while there have others speak up to various degrees of similarity with the two. Is it a modification, rewrite, something completely different seems to be the question and which of the programs would prevail in a legal test. My statements and opinion offered here today are not intended to slander, challenge or embarrass you. It is my sincerest desire that others will not consider this a personal attack against you, or TTT. Hopefully you will feel encouraged to provide those suggested verifications, which would then allow webmasters a learned decision regarding the validity of these programs and the allegations you have presented.

The questions which need to be answered are beyond my expertise, and best be left to those more qualified.

broke · 10-23-2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Choker
Wendy whether you agree or disagree with my methods, you know now this is a stolen script. Making excuses for continued usage of this script shows your true character.

You started out so well... and I agree with you.

(Although you will probably respond with, 'Shut up -- Anon')

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
Dig all you want bitch, you will not find anything on me. We can go on forever with this little game. I find it very entertaining.

However you feel the need to go back to chicken boy.

broke · 10-23-2003, 11:57 AM

Wendy -- use the fucking search function.

You can find many programmers that have attested to the the fact that what you are using is a stolen script.

Do the right fucking thing and quit trying to be all high and mighty.

Your actions in this thread (and others) make me wonder why I ever voiced concern for people not in 'the know'.

Choker · 10-23-2003, 12:18 PM

http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=48
This has been discussed lots of times on other boards. I have never hidden it's a rewrite

http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13
It's a complete TTT rewrite with some extra features added.

this "great" coder even has the same errors in code that TTT has
http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=3103&t=3103

The whole story..

http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=601&t=592
Author: ICEFIRE
Date: 01-12-03 08:51
Looks really great. Something like epowertrader but with less features. Even that it is the best free script all around.

He sure is happy with this script, that is until he starts making modifications to it and posting it on my board...

http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=1540&t=1490

He was told to leave my programs which he did like a dog with his tail between his legs, So he then takes my code and changes it. How many other coders have compared the 2 and said he stole my code? Do a search, at least a dozen. How much proof do you need? I have enough proof to satisfy any court of law, but it will never come to that. Because I choose not to spend thousands of dollars pursuing this punk in a civil court makes him no less guilty of stealling my code. I do not have to "prove" he stole my code to a court in order to come to the firm conclusion that he STOLE MY CODE. Does a content provider have to go to court and prove they took the pictures that a thief is using on his site without paying for them? No, seeing that content on that providers site is enough to satisfy anyone.

Make all the excuses you want Wendy, you and others running this stolen script. Putting your sites in findtrades blacklist is just the begining. I take this job VERY SERIOUSLY. I do not steal from or cheat anyone. And I'll be damned if I let anyone steal from me. Wanna know how extreme this is with me Wendy??

If your site is 50k a day, you are stealing 500 hits a day from me. Over a 10 day period that is 5k hits, worth about $15 to me. That is $15 I could be putting towards my kids college. You might as well come to my house and take food out of my kids mouth. Yes this is how EXTREME I think of thieves. Maybe I am stupid for thinking this way, but this is ME, THIS IS THE WAY I THINK.

Don't steal from me and I will do anything to help you out. I am not a asshole, I am a very nice guy, but I have ZERO tolerance for thieves and cheaters.

RockDaddy · 10-23-2003, 12:27 PM

Knowing nothing about code I could have just as easily been in WendyB's place using that script and I would have been extremely pissed off as well if I were to read something about I was blacklisted for using a stolen script.

Same time, if I were the guy who had my script stolen I would be extremely pissed and call everyone using it a thief also.

It's bad all the way around, everyone has a reason to be pissed.

The bottom line is...

I would take the word of Lane and the others who have compared and claim it is stolen and remove it.

Phoenix66 · 10-23-2003, 12:47 PM

Choker is an asshole.

Yes, I'm using this CJOverkill and now I know that it is probably stolen. Yes, I downloaded and compared the code, and as a former programmer with 10 year experience I can tell that CJOverkill is obviously built on TTT. Though now it has triple more code than TTT and much more advanced, but an old base is still there.

But there are reasons why I think Choker is an asshole:

1. I was not aware CJOverkill was stolen and now I checked and see my CJ in the blacklist, though there is my ICQ on trade page and he might notify me instead of stating I'm a cheated behind of my back. I do not read GFY except topics about content, because I mostly deal with content, I just experiment a bit with traffic. I do not read ICEFIRE forum as well, why would I? I just ran into CJOverkill when was looking for trades, tried it and liked more then CJ Ultra I was using then.

2. Choker here just said most of CJOverkill users deal with CP. I do not deal with CP. And this is abusive for me. And I also remember that some people were complainig that some Choker's galleryspots links leaded to CP pages. And who deals with CP after this?

3. If Choker did pay more time to improve his script the issue would have never raised. It's obvious that CJOverkill becomes more and more popular and Choker loose his positions. If CJOverkill was just a lousy ripoff made by some unskilled kid, it just would be an advertizing for TTT. It happens many times before - if something is trully good, repetition only make it more popular.

4. I don't like Chokers attitude of a "guy with the biggest dick" and the way he's trying to protect his business. It shows his uncapability to deal on a highly competitive market.

Again, I do agree that in this state as it is now it's probably a theft and I will remove it soon (unless ICEFIRE will publish a new, completelly different from TTT version of CJOverkill), replacing with one of my friends home made script, not with TTT, indeed, god forbid. It's more than obvious for me now that TTT is a shit comparing to CJOverKill. I simply have no time to replace it right now. As I said, traffic was not ever and is not my specialty, I have a ton of other things to take care of...

EZRhino · 10-23-2003, 12:50 PM

CDSmith · 10-23-2003, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by WendyB
Probably a more accurate statement from choker would be...75% of what I do is to profit from unwitting newbies, while they think I'm helping them (newbies) build their business.

Newbies beware of the wolf in chicken feathers.

I'm getting the distinct impression that my previous two posts on this thread have yet to make a dent in that hard shell of yours.

EZRhino · 10-23-2003, 12:55 PM

midget

genomega · 10-23-2003, 01:06 PM

Remember this thread wendy?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=105770

SleazyDream · 10-23-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix66
4. I don't like Chokers attitude of a "guy with the biggest dick" and the way he's trying to protect his business. It shows his uncapability to deal on a highly competitive market.

no no no, that's what choker says about ME...........

TurboAngel · 10-23-2003, 01:20 PM

4Pics · 10-23-2003, 01:24 PM

alan-l · 10-23-2003, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip
I'm just going to put my two cents in because I'll probably be dragged in to it anyhow.

Here's the short story:

Icefire wrote a fix for Choker's TTT. Choker got all upset and banned Icefire from using any of his programs. So Icefire rewrote the TTT script. A modification of the TTT code would be against the license, but since the code has been rewritten...it's legit. These's a thin line that he was treading, but he was legal. Being his partner at the time on another venture, I checked on the legality of the script here in the states, while he did the same in his home country and the country he lives in. It was good to go, so he released it.

Choker doesn't go after Icefire, because he can't. While you or Choker or even I might not agree with the way Icefire went about his business...he didn't do anything illegal. Choker knows this...

So he goes after those he can. He attacks and slandors me and blacklists trades in the FindTrades database. Not once has he had the balls to come to me for my side of the story. He still things I'm some master programmer that hatched this plan and had someone else do the work.

That's it in a nutshell. The script is not a stolen or modified TTT. It's a rewrite. It's not too tough to see the differences...and I'm not even a programmer.

man, are you aware how much are you damaging yourself and the company you own or work for supporting a thief and known scammer publicly? and that rivux quote makes you look like a fool if you think nobody will realize who this rivux is: the thief himself or somebody very close to him. I don't know Choker, and I had a lot of respect for AAA Adult Design, but seeing this I'm sure which company I will never use, and you're slowly converting this in a trend for others to follow

Johny Traffic · 10-23-2003, 01:59 PM

why is it I never get my sig on page one of these threads? I never see a big one comming, so here I am on page 3

P.S I dont use any scripts, so Im neutral

Just like spain in the last war

when did it become a third world?

testuser · 10-23-2003, 05:45 PM

Whoa, and I just wanted to find out what was going on with the Vancouver dinner.

Just took a look at the two scripts. Got to say that it looks different on the surface, but there are lots of similarities in there to say it's a "complete rewrite". Ver. 2 looks different, but I'm wondering how close Ver. 1 was to ttt.

For instance, you could tell people to write a function, and people would write functions completely differently. It's just the way people think. Most people who do any coding at all just hate looking at other people's code just because it's hard to understand.

Looking at the in.php files. Take away the ip logging and the security checking, you're looking pretty much at ttt. Usually, people aren't allowed to look at ANY code at all if they're going to rewrite something. Maybe the API if that much. If you can say, this sort of looks like something else, generally, there's a problem.

Random notes on CJ:
And on the security checking, didn't they forget to parse for quotations in the referrer if they're really looking for sql security problems? Why are they checking the string length of the referrer (line 71 in.php)? This isn't C where there's a buffer to worry about. Also, in mysql tables, it cuts off the entry at the column length anyway on inserts, etc. Selects and compares would stop at the first non-matching char, so that would be max 255 anyway. What overflow does this protect against? I just don't see it. That, and the entire algorithm is a bit slower, too. Go figure. Stuff like this really just makes you wonder.

About using the "rewritten script":
If someone stole stuff I wrote, needless to say I wouldn't be happy. The whole blacklisting thing seems a little extreme, but whatever. It seems like the people that know about the "rewritten script" don't seem to care about being blacklisted, while the people that don't know about it, don't care either. Of course, it wouldn't really hurt to inform them before blacklisting them, but then again, it's not really any of my business.

Just my 2 cents.

Choker · 10-23-2003, 06:24 PM

In case anyone was offended by my "third World country" remark, if you live in Spain it was not meant to be offensive. Going after someone thru the court system living in Spain would be the equivelent of going after someone living in a third world country. Spains infrastructure is not the most modern. I contacted the ISP that this thief hosts his sites off of. Their main concern as told to me was just keeping their network from crashing on them. They seemed to not give a shit what the guy does. This is the response one would expect from a third world country ISP. And many many people have icqed me wanting money to break a few fingers. According to these people the police don't give a shit, they can be easily bribed if they did not look the other way, which I was told is usually what happens. This is typical third world country attitudes. I have NEVER had a problem with any Spanish webmaster. In fact a version of TTT for them was wrote some time ago. So don't take my comments as offensive, from what every webmaster living in Spain has told me, Spains infrastructure, legal system, and technology is like a third world country. I only know what guys living there have told me. But their babes are hot as hell, I was there a few years back.

WendyB · 10-23-2003, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=48
This has been discussed lots of times on other boards. I have never hidden it's a rewrite

http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13
It's a complete TTT rewrite with some extra features added.

http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=3103&t=3103

http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=601&t=592

http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=1540&t=1490

How much proof do you need? I have enough proof to satisfy any court of law, but it will never come to that. Because I choose not to spend thousands of dollars pursuing this punk in a civil court makes him no less guilty of stealling my code. I do not have to "prove" he stole my code to a court in order to come to the firm conclusion that he STOLE MY CODE.Make all the excuses you want Wendy, you and others running this stolen script. Putting your sites in findtrades blacklist is just the begining. I take this job VERY SERIOUSLY. I do not steal from or cheat anyone. And I'll be damned if I let anyone steal from me. Wanna know how extreme this is with me Wendy??

Thank you choker for sharing the information links. While I do find that informative reading, it still fails to define with authority which side would legally prevail.

There has been a tremendous amount of posturing on both sides of the fence, and unfortunately taken on a carnival like atmosphere.

Although it is clearly evident there are various issues at stake in this matter, and would suggest that embellished name-calling and disparaging comments does not enhance the opportunities of an amicably satisfactory resolve of disputed elements.

While simultaneously appreciating choker?s position, and understanding most software published and distributed is protected by copyright law. Copyright is given to the software developer, and individual copies are licensed to individual users.

In this matter, both TURBO TRAFFIC TRADER and CJOVERKIL are each the developers of their respective adult web traffic trading software. Each of these developers maintains a Internet web site making their programs downloadable and freely available to the general public.

Aside for the overall design of their websites, each makes reference to technical contact information as well as they both maintain a BBS destination for end users. Again, both developers have produced similar competing free products. Both side acknowledge, in varying degrees, one product is the enhancement, revision, and/or manipulation of the other. These acknowledgements appear in various adult industry public bulletin boards, dating back to at least March 2003.

Upon review of the various postings, it is clear the dispute between the two developers continued to escalate till the present without resolution.

Additionally there is the expectation, a software developer should and would patent his/her software offering. Here in the United States, the United States Patent and Trademark Office has been issuing software patents, it still remains controversial in many competing respects.

While visiting the USPTO website, I conducted searches for both Turbo Traffic Trader and CJOVERKILL. Unfortunately the search returned ?0? documents for both software titles.
Under USPTO Class Definition(s) 709-714, there appears to be several patent sub-classes, which key elements may or may not apply to both Turbo Traffic Trader and CJOVERKILL.

Granted the absence of a productive search, did not in whole or part, provide a clear answer, because either or both could actually have bee issued patients under slightly varied titles.

After visiting both the web site for Turbo Traffic Trader and CJOVERKILL, there were elements, which intrigued me. Within the EULA (End User License Agreement) TTT http://turbotraffictrader.com/downloads.shtml , Item 4 acknowledges.

Although Choker has remained steadfast on the insistence, that as a ENDUSER, of CJOVERKILL, I am a thief, for using the CJOVERKILL software product.
I do and continue to dispute and question the validity of his argument and claims.
Absence any third party watchdog group with authority and expertise in this area, or legal authority, I will continued the use of the CJOVERKILL software title on my owned and operated websites.

If at some future time, the developers of one or both of the competing traffic software products are able to provide proof of legal authority and rights to one or both, this matter remains unresolved.

sandman! · 10-23-2003, 07:32 PM

This is one of the dumbest threads on gfy i have ever seen.

4Pics · 10-23-2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by sandman!
This is one of the dumbest threads on gfy i have ever seen.

This thread just keeps getting worse.

It's a stolen script that has been modified PERIOD!!

jennym · 10-23-2003, 08:23 PM

Okay, first of all, I have no clue who any of the people are on either side.

Now, those of you who are pissed about being blacklisted for using a stolen script....why the fuck are you pissed at Choker??? Why not be pissed at the guy who "stole" the script, and took your traffic without any warning at all of the consequenses??? I think that is who I would be pissed at, and sure as hell wouldn't send the 1 more fucking visitor!!

Choker · 10-23-2003, 08:37 PM

You know Wendy, why don't you just shut the fuck up? . You can run your mouth all you want about whatever you want. It's nothing but a smokescreen. You are fooling NOBODY. You make all the excuses you want for your CONTINUED usage of a stolen script. That's fine. When you get your clock cleaned I am sure you will come back here and cry again. Poor me, I am a thief and Choker is doing this and doing that. blah blah, you are pathetic. You disgust me.

Do you have stolen content on your sites Wendy? According to your logic a content provider would have to prove in a court of law it was his content before you stop using it? What's he gotta do, bring the model into the courtroom to testify? Am I calling you a content thief? Well you are a code thief, not much of a leap to being a content thief, now is it? Anybody ever caught a trade popping consoles on them? When you looked deeper did you find that trade cheating in other ways? NAH, that would never happen. LOL

WendyB · 10-23-2003, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by jennym
Okay, first of all, I have no clue who any of the people are on either side.

Now, those of you who are pissed about being blacklisted for using a stolen script....why the fuck are you pissed at Choker??? Why not be pissed at the guy who "stole" the script, and took your traffic without any warning at all of the consequenses??? I think that is who I would be pissed at, and sure as hell wouldn't send the 1 more fucking visitor!!

The blacklisting of my site is not a problem. It is his right to operate his site(s) as he chooses.

I do/did take issue with chocker referring to me as a thief. This is a statement I take personally, and have adamantly denied. In my opinion, he crossed the line, and during the past 24/48 hours have had to do a crash course in the TTT vs.CJoverkill saga.

His frustration stems from apparent previous inability to resolve an outstanding dispute with the developers ad distributors of CJOVERKILL.

I use the Traffic Trade script CJOVERKILL, a program which was downloaded and freely available on the CJOVERKILL website, located at http://cjoverkill.icefire.org

As CJOVERKILL's end-user, I have agreed to their terms of use, not choker's.

EZRhino · 10-23-2003, 09:16 PM

When will this post die.

chowda · 10-23-2003, 09:20 PM

guys, this problem could have been fixed if u just bought a trading script.

everyone was talkin about howf freehost will steal yo shit and stuf.. and get paid hosting

same shit, buy a script and stop cryin.

WendyB · 10-23-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
In case anyone was offended by my "third World country" remark, if you live in Spain it was not meant to be offensive.

I appreciate you stepping up, and will view and accept the above as an apology to the people of Spain. Although we both know threads on GFY can become a bit heated, but racial attacks on various groups is not acceptable.

Again, thank you for apology to the Spanish people and clearing the air on that matter.

Furious_Male · 10-23-2003, 09:37 PM

I noticed the CJoverkill site has a bunch of resources listed. I went over to Cozy Frog and see they list the script. I didnt check any of the others. What is there stance on this issue between the two scripts?

Choker · 10-23-2003, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by WendyB

I appreciate you stepping up, and will view and accept the above as an apology to the people of Spain. Although we both know threads on GFY can become a bit heated, but racial attacks on various groups is not acceptable.

Again, thank you for apology to the Spanish people and clearing the air on that matter.

OMFG. Kaniving piece of shit aren't you? Trying to say my comment about Spain being a third world country is a racial attack? I have dealt with people like you before who try to turn someones words around to use against them. See here's the thing Wendy, I will forget all about you by tomorrow. But everyday you will loose potentially great trades. Everyday someone will remind you that you are blacklisted for being a thief. You will think of me often and wrench your teeth in anger. You are to me nothing more than another thief I blacklisted. There will be another thief tomorrow and life goes on. 99% of the guys in this biz are hardworking and have high morals and standards, despite the business we are in. You are not one of those 99%. Your last thought before you go to sleep tonight will be "Choker" . Sleep tight.

WendyB · 10-23-2003, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Male
I noticed the CJoverkill site has a bunch of resources listed. I went over to Cozy Frog and see they list the script. I didnt check any of the others. What is there stance on this issue between the two scripts?

What you have uncovered is yet another example why this is not a issue with a clear yes or no/right or wrong answer.

Depending on the comments from various programmer types, the answer is still not clear. That is the reason I asked for some sort of proof, where an independent software developer watch dog group may have weighed in on this matter. If there has been any litigation that also would support one developer's claim over another, would be good enough for me.

This is the type of information that is needed with these tangled issues where exists a lot of gray areas.

JDog · 10-23-2003, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

I'm not an anon and I agree that you fly off at the mouth before you use your head. Let's assume you are correct in saying this is a stolen version of your script. Somebody downloads it and is labeled a cheater by you.

Guess what, if that person wanted to press the issue they would damn sure win in court. If I browse your nice little "cheater" blacklist and make a mental note of somebody's domain you have listed there I may decide not do ever do business with them. This my friend is considered damages. Regardless of how you interpret some unknowing person using a script you think is stolen you can't publically label someone a cheater.

One day somebody will have enough of your ego and do something about it. When they do you better hope they don't prove more damages to their business than you've made in your nice little career online. It could very well happen.

But they find out their using a stolen version of the script! If they decide not to use the real one, or use another script! Fuck em! Why should he help people that are using a stolen version of the script! That's bullshit. He did the same thing I would do!

jDoG

integrated · 10-23-2003, 10:30 PM

storm in a tea cup

you used a stolen script so you were banned im sure if you didn't get your panties in a knot and approaced choker this would be sorted.

who knows how many cheats choker has to deal with but my guess is a shitload he has to have an aggressive approach to cheaters or things would turn to shit

and btw wendy i think your an idiot

Furious_Male · 10-23-2003, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by WendyB

What you have uncovered is yet another example why this is not a issue with a clear yes or no/right or wrong answer.

Depending on the comments from various programmer types, the answer is still not clear. That is the reason I asked for some sort of proof, where an independent software developer watch dog group may have weighed in on this matter. If there has been any litigation that also would support one developer's claim over another, would be good enough for me.

This is the type of information that is needed with these tangled issues where exists a lot of gray areas.

I can see where it would lead to confusion. A site like Cozy Frog is pretty well known and respected. I am sure a lot of people download the script from there. I am not sure what other resource sites list it.

This was just something I noticed. I do not use either script I am just an observer in this case. Its a sticky situation but I am sure both parties will do what is best for there own business.

WendyB · 10-23-2003, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by integrated
storm in a tea cup

you used a stolen script so you were banned im sure if you didn't get your panties in a knot and approaced choker this would be sorted.

who knows how many cheats choker has to deal with but my guess is a shitload he has to have an aggressive approach to cheaters or things would turn to shit

and btw wendy i think your an idiot

You as with all are entitled to your opinion. I do feel you have missed the point.

Thank you for your input on this matter.

Phoenix66 · 10-23-2003, 11:57 PM

Everyone keep missing the fact, that Choker made a public statement (in form of publishing on his web-page) accusing a bunch of people in theft. The people, most of which he doesn't know and has no solid proof they are using that script being aware that it's stolen.

I really don't care for the fact my site is banned with him, but what I do care is the fact Choker wrote: "Confirmed Cheater". He did not wrote "Uses CJOverkill, based on a stolen TTT version, may be unaware of the fact it's stolen". No, he wrote "Confirmed Cheater". Like he informed me that the script was stolen or like he has a solid proof that I was knowingly used stolen script.

And this makes him a PROVEN ASSHOLE with me. If I were in USA I might really sue him. And don't start telling me again that I'm using a stolen script. This is not what it all is about. It's all about the fact he publicly claimed something abusive that he has no prooves for. His conclusions were made on his personal assumptions.

For instance - let's imagine I'll go register a domain chokersucks or something like that. I will place there the known facts, like that his links sometimes lead to CP, like this sad fact that he accused innocent people in theft, like the fact that some of his pages are full of shit and take your surfers away also I'm sure there are some other negative facts, and add some assumptions - like he's a confirmed CP peddler, because he doesn't care about his links leading to CP pages and some others of this kind, may be entirelly made up on pure assumptions - let's say dialers, traffic stealing, cheating newbies etc.

And then let's say I will be promoting this page everywhere where I can. Would it be cool with Choker and anyone else?

BTW, Choker, do you know that hosting providers restrict spreading of abusive incorrect information about other persons? This is what you did, and this is exactly similar to an example I just gave.

Again, for his business attitude. His TTT is outdated shit from what I see now. If I were Choker I would either make a kind of deal with ICEFIRE or I would upgrade TTT so that it would be better then ICEFIRE's script, and then contacted each webmaster who use ICEFIRE's script and tell them that they are using lousy stolen script, offering them to change for his more advanced new version of TTT. I'm sure 95% of webmasters would gladly make a change and he would get plenty of new TTT users this way. But look what he's really done! He is stupid and lazy - he can't improve his TTT script to compete with stolen CJOverkill, he doesn't care about people who use that CJOverkill unknowing it's stolen and he doesn't understand how he could benefit from this entire situation.

This makes him CONFIRMED STUPID ASSHOLE.

I could add more and more to this, showing that he's an asshole of all kinds, but I have a lot of more profitable things to do...

Anyone can reasonably argue what I just wrote?

Choker, I do not really care about your balls size, but you personally accused me in theft even without knowing who I am and what I do and trust me, I will remember this. No one can tell I'm a bitch, I'm really a very tolerant person, but what you did was just over the line.

4Pics · 10-24-2003, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix66
Everyone keep missing the fact, that Choker made a public statement (in form of publishing on his web-page) accusing a bunch of people in theft. The people, most of which he doesn't know and has no solid proof they are using that script being aware that it's stolen.

I really don't care for the fact my site is banned with him, but what I do care is the fact Choker wrote: "Confirmed Cheater". He did not wrote "Uses CJOverkill, based on a stolen TTT version, may be unaware of the fact it's stolen". No, he wrote "Confirmed Cheater". Like he informed me that the script was stolen or like he has a solid proof that I was knowingly used stolen script.

And this makes him a PROVEN ASSHOLE with me. If I were in USA I might really sue him. And don't start telling me again that I'm using a stolen script. This is not what it all is about. It's all about the fact he publicly claimed something abusive that he has no prooves for. His conclusions were made on his personal assumptions.

For instance - let's imagine I'll go register a domain chokersucks or something like that. I will place there the known facts, like that his links sometimes lead to CP, like this sad fact that he accused innocent people in theft, like the fact that some of his pages are full of shit and take your surfers away also I'm sure there are some other negative facts, and add some assumptions - like he's a confirmed CP peddler, because he doesn't care about his links leading to CP pages and some others of this kind, may be entirelly made up on pure assumptions - let's say dialers, traffic stealing, cheating newbies etc.

And then let's say I will be promoting this page everywhere where I can. Would it be cool with Choker and anyone else?

BTW, Choker, do you know that hosting providers restrict spreading of abusive incorrect information about other persons? This is what you did, and this is exactly similar to an example I just gave.

Again, for his business attitude. His TTT is outdated shit from what I see now. If I were Choker I would either make a kind of deal with ICEFIRE or I would upgrade TTT so that it would be better then ICEFIRE's script, and then contacted each webmaster who use ICEFIRE's script and tell them that they are using lousy stolen script, offering them to change for his more advanced new version of TTT. I'm sure 95% of webmasters would gladly make a change and he would get plenty of new TTT users this way. But look what he's really done! He is stupid and lazy - he can't improve his TTT script to compete with stolen CJOverkill, he doesn't care about people who use that CJOverkill unknowing it's stolen and he doesn't understand how he could benefit from this entire situation.

This makes him CONFIRMED STUPID ASSHOLE.

I could add more and more to this, showing that he's an asshole of all kinds, but I have a lot of more profitable things to do...

Anyone can reasonably argue what I just wrote?

Choker, I do not really care about your balls size, but you personally accused me in theft even without knowing who I am and what I do and trust me, I will remember this. No one can tell I'm a bitch, I'm really a very tolerant person, but what you did was just over the line.

Nice book...

Bottom line is, it's a stolen script and once you found that out you should have stopped using it.

integrated · 10-24-2003, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WendyB

Thank you for your input on this matter.

anytime

Phoenix66 · 10-24-2003, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 4Pics

Nice book...

Bottom line is, it's a stolen script and once you found that out you should have stopped using it.

Nope, bottom line is - Choker is an asshole.

As I said, I won't be using CJOverkill or Chokers script anymore, so it's not about this at all. I do not care about script at all. If I dealt with traffic seriously, I would write my own script, I have enough skills for this. So, again, IT"S NOT ABOUT SCRIPT.

I will give another simple example which is even a dumbass can understand. If there are still any who do not.

Let's say you have a neighbour who you are not familiar with. You see him when he goes by, and he sees you but you do not communicate. Let's say this neighbour has a nice gold watch. One day it's stolen. And another day you go to some small shop at the corner and buy exactly that stolen watch. You don't know the shop owner sell stolen stuff, there is no big signboard with a writting "We sell stolen watches" on the front of that shop. Then later this neighbour accidentally see his watch on your hand. What would normal person do? Normal person goes to police. Police comes, asks questions, you tell them - "I bought this watch at store, here is the check". The seller goes to prison. But NOBODY have a right to say in this situation that you are a THIEF.

And what such a dumbass like Choker would do? Yes, exactly what he really did - start going and telling everyone on public that the man is a confirmed thief, because he wear his watch, witout even trying to inform that man about this. Brilliant!!!

And tell me that it's not possible in USA to sue anyone for such abusive public statements based upon pure assumptions.

CDSmith · 10-24-2003, 07:58 AM

In the eyes of most court systems I know of...
if you are supporting thievery then you are a thief by association, and
ignorance is no excuse.
If you buy and display stolen content, once it is found out you can be forced to remove that content, you can even be fined, and people have been in some cases. Your sites can be shut down as well, and it doesn't often take a court case to achieve this.

How many programmers have to come forward and confirm Choker's claim before people accept it as legitimate? Some of you people really need to stop trying to tell everyone "what the point here is" and just shut up and do the right thing. Now that I see the stance some of you hardheads are taking I don't blame the guy one bit for calling you what he has called you.

I'm sorry, but the real bottom line here is simply this: if you don't want to be called/labelled a thief, then don't support thievery.

Choker · 10-24-2003, 08:46 AM

No matter how I approach these sites using the stolen version of TTT, I will be attacked by some. Wendy is a prime example of sites using the stolen version. Most do not care. Most have no morals. If I sent out a email telling these guys they are using a stolen script, GUARANTEED more than one of them would report me for spamming email. I was not born yesterday. You have to be living under a rock to not know that this script is a illegal copy of TTT.

As far as suing me, GO FOR IT. Sue me for calling you a thief? LOL. What about the 1% of the hits you stole from me? I can show REAL MONETARY DAMAGE THERE.

However, I admit I am being harsh in the blacklist database, so I am changing it to read

This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of turbotraffictrader script. To get off this blacklist, visit this url http://chickenboard.com//read.php?f=12&i=130&t=130

But I am sure this will not satisfy many. Thieves always find excuses for thier actions. And nobody in jail is guilty either.

pantymaniac · 10-24-2003, 09:30 AM

you both saying TTT & Cjkiller are free scripts ... am i right ?

so how about this %1 percent ?

if we are talking about stealing

you both stealer ...

Tipsy · 10-24-2003, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pantymaniac
you both saying TTT & Cjkiller are free scripts ... am i right ?

so how about this %1 percent ?

if we are talking about stealing

you both stealer ...

Not too bright are you?

Furious_Male · 10-24-2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

However, I admit I am being harsh in the blacklist database, so I am changing it to read

This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of turbotraffictrader script. To get off this blacklist, visit this url http://chickenboard.com//read.php?f=12&i=130&t=130

But I am sure this will not satisfy many. Thieves always find excuses for thier actions. And nobody in jail is guilty either.

I think that is a very professional way of doing it. Much better then calling them a cheater because you can't be sure they really did know. Like I mentioned earlier in this thread the CJOverkill script is listed on Cozy Frog. I bet it gets downloaded a lot from there by people that simply don't know.

Good call in my book

WendyB · 10-24-2003, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
In the eyes of most court systems I know of...
if you are supporting thievery then you are a thief by association, and
ignorance is no excuse.
If you buy and display stolen content, once it is found out you can be forced to remove that content, you can even be fined, and people have been in some cases. Your sites can be shut down as well, and it doesn't often take a court case to achieve this.

How many programmers have to come forward and confirm Choker's claim before people accept it as legitimate? Some of you people really need to stop trying to tell everyone "what the point here is" and just shut up and do the right thing. Now that I see the stance some of you hardheads are taking I don't blame the guy one bit for calling you what he has called you.

I'm sorry, but the real bottom line here is simply this: if you don't want to be called/labelled a thief, then don't support thievery.

I feel it is important to remain focused on the primary issue(s). Often times the discussion can become emotionally heated, where innuendo and unsubstantiated claims are mistaken for fact.

I am one person who has stood up and openly challenged Choker and the business tactics he employs. This really should not be my job to defend my use of his competitors software product, however there comes a time for each of us to take a stand as to what is right.

Is this a matter that can or will be decided in Webmaster chat rooms? My personal response is no, because the issues at stake are far to complicated and the legal issues should be addressed in a proper venue.

When the developer of one software product (TURBO TRAFFIC TRADE)
Alleged that I, the end-user of their competing software product (CJOVERKILL) has stolen the TTT product is false, misleading and factually without merit.

In various open forums both developers (chocker & icefire ) have laid claim to their respective software products.

At present the claims presented by both sides (Choker & Icefire) are each compelling in their own right, however fail to establish legal claim or independent review by an established software developer arbitration organization, who would have expertise in closely contested matters as this.

I have no business interest with either of the above names, other than a licensed end-user of CJOVERKILL.

When I downloaded and installed CJOVERKILL acknowledged my acceptance and agreement to respect to all terms specified by Mr. Georgiev and CJOVERKILL.

The CJOverkill reads

CjOverkill 2.0.1
Copyright Kaloyan Olegov Georgiev
ice [at] icefire.org
This script has limited open source license. Read LICENSE at the end of this file for more info.
If you are a developer or you need to modify the script then you must read the license before continuing.

BY INSTALLING OR USING CjOverkill SOFTWARE "PRODUCT", YOU CONSENT ON BEHALF OF
YOURSELF AND/OR THE ENTITY YOU REPRESENT TO BE BOUND BY, AND BECOME A PARTY TO, THIS AGREEMENT "LICENSE" AS THE "LICENSEE". IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU MUST NOT INSTALL CjOverkill OR USE THE CjOverkill SOFTWARE, AND YOU DO NOT BECOME A LICENSEE UNDER THIS AGREEMENT. THIS PRODUCT IS PROVIDED BY Kaloyan Olegov Georgiev "THE AUTHOR" "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
(INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES;
LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND
ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT
(INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF
THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.
(2) This version of the LICENSE supersedes any prior versions.
(3) LICENSEE of the PRODUCT (all versions, including any beta versions,
incomplete, damaged, hacked or downloaded from a non official site versions) must accept this license agreement in full and the disclaimer.
(4) LICENSEE is strictly prohibited from redistributing the source code or precompiled code of the PRODUCT unless LICENSEE has a written permission by
THE AUTHOR.
(5) LICENSEE may attempt to reproduce or alter the source code of the PRODUCT
in order to adapt the code to his particular needs. IN NO CASE LICENSEE CAN
SELL PRODUCT OR PRODUCT DERIVATES.

6) If LICENSEE alters the PRODUCT code, then LICENSEE is not allowed to
distribute the altered code or leave this code to a third party persons or
entities unless point #7 and point #8 requerements are met.
(7) If LICENSEE wants to distribute altered copies of the PRODUCT, then LICENSEE must have the written consentment of THE AUTHOR of the PRODUCT and depending on the modifications point #8 will need to be met or not.
(8) LICENSEE is strictly prohibited from removing the 1% traffic payload or the ads code present in the trades section of the PRODUCT.
(9) By modifying the PRODUCT LICENSEE agrees to submit the altered code to THE AUTHOR in order it to be reviewed and perhaps included in future
releases of the PRODUCT. In this case LICENSEE must provide some information
if LICENSEE wants his name to appear in the PRODUCT developement team credits.
(10) LICENSEE may terminate this license agreement at any time provided that
LICENSEE destroy all copies of the PRODUCT. This LICENSE will automatically
terminate if LICENSEE fails to comply with any part of the agreement, at
which time, LICENSEE must destroy all copies of the PRODUCT.
THE AUTHOR, at any time, may terminate this LICENSE agreement, in which case LICENSEE must destroy all copies of the PRODUCT.
(11) LICENSEE agrees that the use of any version of the PRODUCT that has removed payload traffic or ads code in the administration area (use of
hacked versions, tricked versions or non offical and unnaproved by THE
AUTHOR versions of the PRODUCT that have removed and/or modifyed payload
traffic and/or ads code without THE AUTHOR's authorization are included here)
WILL NOT TAKE LEGAL (OR OTHER) ACTIONS OF ANY KIND AGAINST THE AUTHOR if THE
AUTHOR executes his right to destroy all the versions of the PRODUCT that
met the mentioned unathorized modifications. This action could lead but not
limited to any kind of data damage, data loss, network saturation and third
party software used by LICENSEE security defeat.
(12) WHEN DISTRIBUTING OFFICIAL OR ANY KIND OF MODIFYED VERSIONS (NON
AUTHORIZED MODIFYED VERSION ARE INCLUDED TOO) OF THE PRODUCT THIS LICENSE
AGREEMENT MUST BE INCLUDED INTACT

kush2 · 10-24-2003, 10:06 AM

Damn Wendy you are one super bitch.

CDSmith · 10-24-2003, 11:04 AM

Sorry Wendy, but in this particular case there is no arguing with what I have posted in this thread. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Period. By knowingly continuing to support someone who has admitted to at least initially copying Choker's script (yes, he admitted that several times, his argument is that he then made changes to it so "it's okay") you are now knowingly supporting thievery.

I wish you all the best. I know that for myself I wouldn't be able to live with having this sort of black mark on my reputation and business, but as I said earlier... that's just me. I would be driven to fix the situation and clear up any doubt as to my integrity. I'm at a loss as to why an obviously-intelligent person such as yourself would continue to dig yourself in deeper and deeper when this could all be fixed so easily. I have known and worked with Choker for over a year now, and he is neither vindictive nor begrudging, but he isn't the type to accept this kind of unfairness either, and I don't blame him a bit.

Cheers.

Hot Tropical Babes · 10-24-2003, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
Sorry Wendy, but in this particular case there is no arguing with what I have posted in this thread. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Period. By knowingly continuing to support someone who has admitted to at least initially copying Choker's script (yes, he admitted that several times, his argument is that he then made changes to it so "it's okay") you are now knowingly supporting thievery.

I wish you all the best. I know that for myself I wouldn't be able to live with having this sort of black mark on my reputation and business, but as I said earlier... that's just me. I would be driven to fix the situation and clear up any doubt as to my integrity. I'm at a loss as to why an obviously-intelligent person such as yourself would continue to dig yourself in deeper and deeper when this could all be fixed so easily. I have known and worked with Choker for over a year now, and he is neither vindictive nor begrudging, but he isn't the type to accept this kind of unfairness either, and I don't blame him a bit.

Cheers.

You could bring her all the proof in the world, she isnt going to listen. She "cut a fat hog in the ass" so to speak when she obtained this script. She is too lazy to take it down and run a legal one. She will fight to the bitter end on it. But what the dumb ass doenst see is how it is going to hurt her in the future.

Southern-Man · 10-24-2003, 11:42 AM

yada yada

broke · 10-24-2003, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

However, I admit I am being harsh in the blacklist database, so I am changing it to read

This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of turbotraffictrader script. To get off this blacklist, visit this url http://chickenboard.com//read.php?f=12&i=130&t=130

But I am sure this will not satisfy many. Thieves always find excuses for thier actions. And nobody in jail is guilty either.

Bravo.

You think I'm just 'Anon', so you probably won't care, but that's all I was saying in the first place.

Fuck Wendy -- she's been 'served' and is now COMPLETELY in the wrong.

I hope you nail her ass to a wall.

CDSmith · 10-24-2003, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Southern-Man
yada yada

Your original unedited post made more sense.

10-23-2003, 08:49 AM	#101
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10-23-2003, 11:57 AM	#104
broke Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Someplace Windy Posts: 4,501	Wendy -- use the fucking search function. You can find many programmers that have attested to the the fact that what you are using is a stolen script. Do the right fucking thing and quit trying to be all high and mighty. Your actions in this thread (and others) make me wonder why I ever voiced concern for people not in 'the know'. __________________ Perfect Gonzo

10-23-2003, 12:18 PM	#105
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=48 This has been discussed lots of times on other boards. I have never hidden it's a rewrite http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13 It's a complete TTT rewrite with some extra features added. this "great" coder even has the same errors in code that TTT has http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=3103&t=3103 The whole story.. http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=601&t=592 Author: ICEFIRE Date: 01-12-03 08:51 Looks really great. Something like epowertrader but with less features. Even that it is the best free script all around. He sure is happy with this script, that is until he starts making modifications to it and posting it on my board... http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=1540&t=1490 He was told to leave my programs which he did like a dog with his tail between his legs, So he then takes my code and changes it. How many other coders have compared the 2 and said he stole my code? Do a search, at least a dozen. How much proof do you need? I have enough proof to satisfy any court of law, but it will never come to that. Because I choose not to spend thousands of dollars pursuing this punk in a civil court makes him no less guilty of stealling my code. I do not have to "prove" he stole my code to a court in order to come to the firm conclusion that he STOLE MY CODE. Does a content provider have to go to court and prove they took the pictures that a thief is using on his site without paying for them? No, seeing that content on that providers site is enough to satisfy anyone. Make all the excuses you want Wendy, you and others running this stolen script. Putting your sites in findtrades blacklist is just the begining. I take this job VERY SERIOUSLY. I do not steal from or cheat anyone. And I'll be damned if I let anyone steal from me. Wanna know how extreme this is with me Wendy?? If your site is 50k a day, you are stealing 500 hits a day from me. Over a 10 day period that is 5k hits, worth about $15 to me. That is $15 I could be putting towards my kids college. You might as well come to my house and take food out of my kids mouth. Yes this is how EXTREME I think of thieves. Maybe I am stupid for thinking this way, but this is ME, THIS IS THE WAY I THINK. Don't steal from me and I will do anything to help you out. I am not a asshole, I am a very nice guy, but I have ZERO tolerance for thieves and cheaters. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

10-23-2003, 12:47 PM	#107
Phoenix66 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 823	Choker is an asshole. Yes, I'm using this CJOverkill and now I know that it is probably stolen. Yes, I downloaded and compared the code, and as a former programmer with 10 year experience I can tell that CJOverkill is obviously built on TTT. Though now it has triple more code than TTT and much more advanced, but an old base is still there. But there are reasons why I think Choker is an asshole: 1. I was not aware CJOverkill was stolen and now I checked and see my CJ in the blacklist, though there is my ICQ on trade page and he might notify me instead of stating I'm a cheated behind of my back. I do not read GFY except topics about content, because I mostly deal with content, I just experiment a bit with traffic. I do not read ICEFIRE forum as well, why would I? I just ran into CJOverkill when was looking for trades, tried it and liked more then CJ Ultra I was using then. 2. Choker here just said most of CJOverkill users deal with CP. I do not deal with CP. And this is abusive for me. And I also remember that some people were complainig that some Choker's galleryspots links leaded to CP pages. And who deals with CP after this? 3. If Choker did pay more time to improve his script the issue would have never raised. It's obvious that CJOverkill becomes more and more popular and Choker loose his positions. If CJOverkill was just a lousy ripoff made by some unskilled kid, it just would be an advertizing for TTT. It happens many times before - if something is trully good, repetition only make it more popular. 4. I don't like Chokers attitude of a "guy with the biggest dick" and the way he's trying to protect his business. It shows his uncapability to deal on a highly competitive market. Again, I do agree that in this state as it is now it's probably a theft and I will remove it soon (unless ICEFIRE will publish a new, completelly different from TTT version of CJOverkill), replacing with one of my friends home made script, not with TTT, indeed, god forbid. It's more than obvious for me now that TTT is a shit comparing to CJOverKill. I simply have no time to replace it right now. As I said, traffic was not ever and is not my specialty, I have a ton of other things to take care of... __________________ Adult Niche Traffic Exchange

10-23-2003, 01:06 PM	#111
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10-23-2003, 12:27 PM	#106
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	Knowing nothing about code I could have just as easily been in WendyB's place using that script and I would have been extremely pissed off as well if I were to read something about I was blacklisted for using a stolen script. Same time, if I were the guy who had my script stolen I would be extremely pissed and call everyone using it a thief also. It's bad all the way around, everyone has a reason to be pissed. The bottom line is... I would take the word of Lane and the others who have compared and claim it is stolen and remove it.

10-23-2003, 12:50 PM	#108
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10-23-2003, 12:55 PM	#110
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10-23-2003, 01:20 PM	#113
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10-23-2003, 01:24 PM	#114
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10-23-2003, 01:59 PM	#116
Johny Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,461	why is it I never get my sig on page one of these threads? I never see a big one comming, so here I am on page 3 P.S I dont use any scripts, so Im neutral Just like spain in the last war when did it become a third world? __________________ hosted flv's, hosted galleries, morphing rss feeds, free content, free sites, hosted blog

10-23-2003, 05:45 PM	#117
testuser Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 95	Whoa, and I just wanted to find out what was going on with the Vancouver dinner. Just took a look at the two scripts. Got to say that it looks different on the surface, but there are lots of similarities in there to say it's a "complete rewrite". Ver. 2 looks different, but I'm wondering how close Ver. 1 was to ttt. For instance, you could tell people to write a function, and people would write functions completely differently. It's just the way people think. Most people who do any coding at all just hate looking at other people's code just because it's hard to understand. Looking at the in.php files. Take away the ip logging and the security checking, you're looking pretty much at ttt. Usually, people aren't allowed to look at ANY code at all if they're going to rewrite something. Maybe the API if that much. If you can say, this sort of looks like something else, generally, there's a problem. Random notes on CJ: And on the security checking, didn't they forget to parse for quotations in the referrer if they're really looking for sql security problems? Why are they checking the string length of the referrer (line 71 in.php)? This isn't C where there's a buffer to worry about. Also, in mysql tables, it cuts off the entry at the column length anyway on inserts, etc. Selects and compares would stop at the first non-matching char, so that would be max 255 anyway. What overflow does this protect against? I just don't see it. That, and the entire algorithm is a bit slower, too. Go figure. Stuff like this really just makes you wonder. About using the "rewritten script": If someone stole stuff I wrote, needless to say I wouldn't be happy. The whole blacklisting thing seems a little extreme, but whatever. It seems like the people that know about the "rewritten script" don't seem to care about being blacklisted, while the people that don't know about it, don't care either. Of course, it wouldn't really hurt to inform them before blacklisting them, but then again, it's not really any of my business. Just my 2 cents. __________________ ICQ: 273796889

10-23-2003, 06:24 PM	#118
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	In case anyone was offended by my "third World country" remark, if you live in Spain it was not meant to be offensive. Going after someone thru the court system living in Spain would be the equivelent of going after someone living in a third world country. Spains infrastructure is not the most modern. I contacted the ISP that this thief hosts his sites off of. Their main concern as told to me was just keeping their network from crashing on them. They seemed to not give a shit what the guy does. This is the response one would expect from a third world country ISP. And many many people have icqed me wanting money to break a few fingers. According to these people the police don't give a shit, they can be easily bribed if they did not look the other way, which I was told is usually what happens. This is typical third world country attitudes. I have NEVER had a problem with any Spanish webmaster. In fact a version of TTT for them was wrote some time ago. So don't take my comments as offensive, from what every webmaster living in Spain has told me, Spains infrastructure, legal system, and technology is like a third world country. I only know what guys living there have told me. But their babes are hot as hell, I was there a few years back. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

10-23-2003, 07:32 PM	#120
sandman! Icq: 14420613 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: chicago Posts: 15,432	This is one of the dumbest threads on gfy i have ever seen.

10-23-2003, 08:23 PM	#122
jennym Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: the south Posts: 1,622	Okay, first of all, I have no clue who any of the people are on either side. Now, those of you who are pissed about being blacklisted for using a stolen script....why the fuck are you pissed at Choker??? Why not be pissed at the guy who "stole" the script, and took your traffic without any warning at all of the consequenses??? I think that is who I would be pissed at, and sure as hell wouldn't send the 1 more fucking visitor!!

10-23-2003, 08:37 PM	#123
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	You know Wendy, why don't you just shut the fuck up? . You can run your mouth all you want about whatever you want. It's nothing but a smokescreen. You are fooling NOBODY. You make all the excuses you want for your CONTINUED usage of a stolen script. That's fine. When you get your clock cleaned I am sure you will come back here and cry again. Poor me, I am a thief and Choker is doing this and doing that. blah blah, you are pathetic. You disgust me. Do you have stolen content on your sites Wendy? According to your logic a content provider would have to prove in a court of law it was his content before you stop using it? What's he gotta do, bring the model into the courtroom to testify? Am I calling you a content thief? Well you are a code thief, not much of a leap to being a content thief, now is it? Anybody ever caught a trade popping consoles on them? When you looked deeper did you find that trade cheating in other ways? NAH, that would never happen. LOL __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

10-23-2003, 09:16 PM	#125
EZRhino Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: couch Posts: 6,258	When will this post die.

10-23-2003, 09:20 PM	#126
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	guys, this problem could have been fixed if u just bought a trading script. everyone was talkin about howf freehost will steal yo shit and stuf.. and get paid hosting same shit, buy a script and stop cryin. __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

10-23-2003, 09:37 PM	#128
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	I noticed the CJoverkill site has a bunch of resources listed. I went over to Cozy Frog and see they list the script. I didnt check any of the others. What is there stance on this issue between the two scripts? __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

10-23-2003, 10:30 PM	#132
integrated Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: west end Posts: 3,826	storm in a tea cup you used a stolen script so you were banned im sure if you didn't get your panties in a knot and approaced choker this would be sorted. who knows how many cheats choker has to deal with but my guess is a shitload he has to have an aggressive approach to cheaters or things would turn to shit and btw wendy i think your an idiot __________________ Pioneer of .TV domains Grandfather of .TV development Respected among industry LEADERS

10-23-2003, 11:57 PM	#135
Phoenix66 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 823	Everyone keep missing the fact, that Choker made a public statement (in form of publishing on his web-page) accusing a bunch of people in theft. The people, most of which he doesn't know and has no solid proof they are using that script being aware that it's stolen. I really don't care for the fact my site is banned with him, but what I do care is the fact Choker wrote: "Confirmed Cheater". He did not wrote "Uses CJOverkill, based on a stolen TTT version, may be unaware of the fact it's stolen". No, he wrote "Confirmed Cheater". Like he informed me that the script was stolen or like he has a solid proof that I was knowingly used stolen script. And this makes him a PROVEN ASSHOLE with me. If I were in USA I might really sue him. And don't start telling me again that I'm using a stolen script. This is not what it all is about. It's all about the fact he publicly claimed something abusive that he has no prooves for. His conclusions were made on his personal assumptions. For instance - let's imagine I'll go register a domain chokersucks or something like that. I will place there the known facts, like that his links sometimes lead to CP, like this sad fact that he accused innocent people in theft, like the fact that some of his pages are full of shit and take your surfers away also I'm sure there are some other negative facts, and add some assumptions - like he's a confirmed CP peddler, because he doesn't care about his links leading to CP pages and some others of this kind, may be entirelly made up on pure assumptions - let's say dialers, traffic stealing, cheating newbies etc. And then let's say I will be promoting this page everywhere where I can. Would it be cool with Choker and anyone else? BTW, Choker, do you know that hosting providers restrict spreading of abusive incorrect information about other persons? This is what you did, and this is exactly similar to an example I just gave. Again, for his business attitude. His TTT is outdated shit from what I see now. If I were Choker I would either make a kind of deal with ICEFIRE or I would upgrade TTT so that it would be better then ICEFIRE's script, and then contacted each webmaster who use ICEFIRE's script and tell them that they are using lousy stolen script, offering them to change for his more advanced new version of TTT. I'm sure 95% of webmasters would gladly make a change and he would get plenty of new TTT users this way. But look what he's really done! He is stupid and lazy - he can't improve his TTT script to compete with stolen CJOverkill, he doesn't care about people who use that CJOverkill unknowing it's stolen and he doesn't understand how he could benefit from this entire situation. This makes him CONFIRMED STUPID ASSHOLE. I could add more and more to this, showing that he's an asshole of all kinds, but I have a lot of more profitable things to do... Anyone can reasonably argue what I just wrote? Choker, I do not really care about your balls size, but you personally accused me in theft even without knowing who I am and what I do and trust me, I will remember this. No one can tell I'm a bitch, I'm really a very tolerant person, but what you did was just over the line. __________________ Adult Niche Traffic Exchange Last edited by Phoenix66; 10-24-2003 at 12:01 AM..

10-24-2003, 07:58 AM	#139
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	In the eyes of most court systems I know of... if you are supporting thievery then you are a thief by association, and ignorance is no excuse. If you buy and display stolen content, once it is found out you can be forced to remove that content, you can even be fined, and people have been in some cases. Your sites can be shut down as well, and it doesn't often take a court case to achieve this. How many programmers have to come forward and confirm Choker's claim before people accept it as legitimate? Some of you people really need to stop trying to tell everyone "what the point here is" and just shut up and do the right thing. Now that I see the stance some of you hardheads are taking I don't blame the guy one bit for calling you what he has called you. I'm sorry, but the real bottom line here is simply this: if you don't want to be called/labelled a thief, then don't support thievery. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

10-24-2003, 08:46 AM	#140
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	No matter how I approach these sites using the stolen version of TTT, I will be attacked by some. Wendy is a prime example of sites using the stolen version. Most do not care. Most have no morals. If I sent out a email telling these guys they are using a stolen script, GUARANTEED more than one of them would report me for spamming email. I was not born yesterday. You have to be living under a rock to not know that this script is a illegal copy of TTT. As far as suing me, GO FOR IT. Sue me for calling you a thief? LOL. What about the 1% of the hits you stole from me? I can show REAL MONETARY DAMAGE THERE. However, I admit I am being harsh in the blacklist database, so I am changing it to read This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of turbotraffictrader script. To get off this blacklist, visit this url http://chickenboard.com//read.php?f=12&i=130&t=130 But I am sure this will not satisfy many. Thieves always find excuses for thier actions. And nobody in jail is guilty either. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

10-24-2003, 09:30 AM	#141
pantymaniac Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In Your GF's Panty. Posts: 1,192	you both saying TTT & Cjkiller are free scripts ... am i right ? so how about this %1 percent ? if we are talking about stealing you both stealer ... __________________ This place is for RENT

10-24-2003, 10:06 AM	#145
kush2 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 495	Damn Wendy you are one super bitch.

10-24-2003, 11:04 AM	#146
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Sorry Wendy, but in this particular case there is no arguing with what I have posted in this thread. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Period. By knowingly continuing to support someone who has admitted to at least initially copying Choker's script (yes, he admitted that several times, his argument is that he then made changes to it so "it's okay") you are now knowingly supporting thievery. I wish you all the best. I know that for myself I wouldn't be able to live with having this sort of black mark on my reputation and business, but as I said earlier... that's just me. I would be driven to fix the situation and clear up any doubt as to my integrity. I'm at a loss as to why an obviously-intelligent person such as yourself would continue to dig yourself in deeper and deeper when this could all be fixed so easily. I have known and worked with Choker for over a year now, and he is neither vindictive nor begrudging, but he isn't the type to accept this kind of unfairness either, and I don't blame him a bit. Cheers. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634 Last edited by CDSmith; 10-24-2003 at 11:08 AM..

10-24-2003, 11:42 AM	#148
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