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01-22-2004, 12:34 AM

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Webby · 01-22-2004, 12:36 AM

jas1552:

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You remind me of how totally crazy with hate some republicans were about Clinton. It's kinda funny.

Is there some meaning someplace??? Hate?? What's with all this republican and Clinton crap??

jas1552 · 01-22-2004, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by Webby
jas1552:

Is there some meaning someplace??? Hate?? What's with all this republican and Clinton crap??

Just saying you remind me of how some Rush Limbaugh type republicans were foaming at the mouth with their hate for Clinton. They acted like he was evil incarnate much like you seem to think of Bush. It's both a little entertaining and a little disturbing.

Carrie · 01-22-2004, 12:45 AM

All of this is really funny. For every leap to the extreme that you want to make, I can make just an extreme leap to illustrate how ridiculous you're being.
After all, Jimmy Hoffa is sitting right here next to me with a few of his thugs.

You guys want to play semantics? Fine. Try this on for size.
The definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman as husband and wife.
It has nothing, nada, zero, zip to do with religion. Nothing to do with Christians. Nothing to do with bible-belters.
It is a definition that has existed since written language first sprung up.
If you don't like it, well, too damn bad! Pick another word, for christ's sake! (pun very much intended)

Don't try to blame it on the Christians. Don't try to blame it on the Muslims, or the Jews, or the Pagans, or the Buddhists, or any religion.
Blame it on Webster! He's the culprit here! And his buddy Merriam, too. The damn know it all. They must think they're better than everyone else. Yeah, that's it.
Better yet, blame it on the Latins, from which the english language is derived. Those damn Latins, surely they must've been up to something! *rolls eyes*

If it is TRULY about taxes, and property, and being able to visit your dying brother in a hospital bed, then wake the fuck up and quit trying to make it about MARRIAGE. Call it what it is - a union, nothing more - and go lobby Congress to pass laws stating that hospitals and real estate attorneys and geeky IRS agents must recognize a gay UNION.
Because a MARRIAGE always has been, and always will be between a man and a woman. If you'd like to go back and rewrite history and start changing definitions, then I'd surely like to propose that we change "pornography" to mean "all-encompassing light of goodness and purity".
Think that's extreme? So is trying to change the meaning of a word that's been around for thousands of years.

Now since we've debunked that whole stupid rhetorical theory, let's get to the nitty-gritty of it. It is NOT about property, or taxes, or visiting sick people in hospitals... it's about making a statement. Nothing more, nothing less. It's an agenda, a big colorful parade going down the middle of main street forcing everyone to look and listen. No matter if they want to look, or listen, or not.
Akin to the stupid bitch who tried forcing her way into a men's-only golf club in Augusta, Georgia - no matter that there were plenty of other golf clubs that she could attend, no matter that there are even women-only golf clubs that she could attend - she felt the need to take this dumb, extremist, selfish issue as far as it could go - just to make a freaking point.

There are certain constants that cannot be denied.
Women and men are completely and totally separate. This will not change.
Women can have babies, men cannot. This will not change.
Only a man and a woman together can conceive a child. This will not change.

Now if you want to go around trumpeting that men who act like, dress like, and talk like women actually *are* women and should be recognized as such... well, more power to you. Just don't bitch when someone points out the fact that you're wrong.
Same goes for women who take the "butch" stance with their female lovers - this does not make them men.

Therefore, the age-old time-tested definition of marriage that says those magical little words, "a man and a woman" - that's not going to change no matter how much you stomp your feet and hold your breath. No matter how much you scream that it's the Christians who insist it's so.

A union is a bond between any two people, or any number of people, of any sex, race, religion, etc etc etc. A marriage is a more focused and specific union, between a man and a woman. Period.

So let's quit blaming it on the Christians, shall we? Egads already.

bhutocracy · 01-22-2004, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie

Oh please.

We're gonna threaten 34 countries. Right. Militarily we're strong enough to take on 34 different countries of varying sizes scattered all over the world all at the same time. And these countries know it too, so they just humbly bowed down to our omnipotent power. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

They were blackmailed. That's cute. No really, that's cute. We sent Jimmy Hoffa to each of these countries and made them offers they couldn't refuse. Cuz Jimmy's not dead, you know. He's just working undercover for the CIA. *rolls eyes*

They were bought. All of them? God, no wonder there is no money left in the US. All of the ATMs here are dry. The Federal Reserve has been completely emptied of gold and we're in a major crisis!!! Why haven't you heard about it? Why, because the American media is such a puppet of the administration, that's why!! All broadcasts that go out to the world are pre-screened, edited and corrected to say only what Ho Chi Bush says they should say! But thankfully, you know the truth now, because you read GFY. You are one of the enlightened, one of the few!!

wow.. you really don't pay that much attention do you.

It's kinda hard to say this.. it's like talking to a child who doesn't understand what the grownups are saying.

The US plays a key position in global politics, including trade, aid and military support.
These are all well worn levers of co-ersion.
Heres an example you'll understand : the trade embargo on Cuba.
Trade is a weapon because it means money. An embargo or sanctions punishes a country when a much more powerful country is in a position to co-erce it.
The flipside of that is giving trade to countries to get them to do something beneficial to the country in the bargaining position.

The best way for you to understand this is the 26 BILLION America offered to Turkey to invade Iraq from their border.

but rather that just coming up with the cash you offer lucrative trade contracts.

This in fact was a key part of Australia joining the Iraq war, we are currently negotiating a free trade agreement with the states and our support for the war should get us many concessions.
As well given we leant token military support we get a part of the "spoils" - the lucrative rebuilding and trade contracts.

I should add here that it's not just the US that does it.. it's all countries in a position of power.. it's called POLITICS.

It might seem funny to you but thats just because of ignorance.

For instance Australia is currently using our aid contributions as a bargaining chip to small neighbouring countries.

you don't even have to offer them money.. you can just threaten to take away what you're already giving.

The list of 34 is hilarious there are only a few countries that even matter. Those 34 countries make up about 10% of the population! And it's only based on VOCAL support. Not to mention most all of those countries actual populations was against the war!
England was the only country to even send any troops other than a few specialist squadrons here and there.
one of those 34 countries is a pissweak pacific island that DOESN'T EVEN HAVE AN ARMY.

It's basic politics 101 that everyone even remotely aware of whats going on around them should understand. The 34 countries on that list aren't there because they thought it was a great idea, most (but not all of course) are there because it's a chance to jump on the US gravy train while America is willing to pay to get something done... or not screw up their foreign aid... or help become members of NATO.. or whatever little piece of the pie that particular country wants.

Why do you think France, Germany and Russia were against the invasion? not because they're anti-war saints - it's all their contracts tied up in Iraq! and it's the same on the US end.. All countries behave the same.. none are worse than others..

I hope this has opened you eyes a little as this is how international politics works.. No country does something without having something to gain, not America, not Australia.. not FIJI.
I hope that explains it for you.
cheers.

jas1552 · 01-22-2004, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie
All of this is really funny. For every leap to the extreme that you want to make, I can make just an extreme leap to illustrate how ridiculous you're being.
After all, Jimmy Hoffa is sitting right here next to me with a few of his thugs.

You guys want to play semantics? Fine. Try this on for size.
The definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman as husband and wife.
It has nothing, nada, zero, zip to do with religion. Nothing to do with Christians. Nothing to do with bible-belters.
It is a definition that has existed since written language first sprung up.
If you don't like it, well, too damn bad! Pick another word, for christ's sake! (pun very much intended)

Don't try to blame it on the Christians. Don't try to blame it on the Muslims, or the Jews, or the Pagans, or the Buddhists, or any religion.
Blame it on Webster! He's the culprit here! And his buddy Merriam, too. The damn know it all. They must think they're better than everyone else. Yeah, that's it.
Better yet, blame it on the Latins, from which the english language is derived. Those damn Latins, surely they must've been up to something! *rolls eyes*

If it is TRULY about taxes, and property, and being able to visit your dying brother in a hospital bed, then wake the fuck up and quit trying to make it about MARRIAGE. Call it what it is - a union, nothing more - and go lobby Congress to pass laws stating that hospitals and real estate attorneys and geeky IRS agents must recognize a gay UNION.
Because a MARRIAGE always has been, and always will be between a man and a woman. If you'd like to go back and rewrite history and start changing definitions, then I'd surely like to propose that we change "pornography" to mean "all-encompassing light of goodness and purity".
Think that's extreme? So is trying to change the meaning of a word that's been around for thousands of years.

Now since we've debunked that whole stupid rhetorical theory, let's get to the nitty-gritty of it. It is NOT about property, or taxes, or visiting sick people in hospitals... it's about making a statement. Nothing more, nothing less. It's an agenda, a big colorful parade going down the middle of main street forcing everyone to look and listen. No matter if they want to look, or listen, or not.
Akin to the stupid bitch who tried forcing her way into a men's-only golf club in Augusta, Georgia - no matter that there were plenty of other golf clubs that she could attend, no matter that there are even women-only golf clubs that she could attend - she felt the need to take this dumb, extremist, selfish issue as far as it could go - just to make a freaking point.

There are certain constants that cannot be denied.
Women and men are completely and totally separate. This will not change.
Women can have babies, men cannot. This will not change.
Only a man and a woman together can conceive a child. This will not change.

Now if you want to go around trumpeting that men who act like, dress like, and talk like women actually *are* women and should be recognized as such... well, more power to you. Just don't bitch when someone points out the fact that you're wrong.
Same goes for women who take the "butch" stance with their female lovers - this does not make them men.

Therefore, the age-old time-tested definition of marriage that says those magical little words, "a man and a woman" - that's not going to change no matter how much you stomp your feet and hold your breath. No matter how much you scream that it's the Christians who insist it's so.

A union is a bond between any two people, or any number of people, of any sex, race, religion, etc etc etc. A marriage is a more focused and specific union, between a man and a woman. Period.

So let's quit blaming it on the Christians, shall we? Egads already.

Nice rant. I give it a

Webby · 01-22-2004, 12:59 AM

jas1552:

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Just saying you remind me of how some Rush Limbaugh type republicans were foaming at the mouth with their hate for Clinton. They acted like he was evil incarnate much like you seem to think of Bush. It's both a little entertaining and a little disturbing.

Ah! That's what you got on your mind... "Limbaugh type republicans were foaming at the mouth with their hate for Clinton"?

Sorry I can't be responsible for Limbaugh type republicans" or "Clinton".

Devil incarnate eh?

Well no, - to clarify your obvious misunderstanding, I can tell you that I don't actually "hate" anyone.

I will explain, once again that I consider the Texas trash to be a liar - and plenty more!! You may, or may not agree, but you are free to express your opinion tho I notice this always sidesteps the subject you are trying "not" to address.

ThunderBalls · 01-22-2004, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie

Militarily we're strong enough to take on 34 different countries of varying sizes scattered all over the world all at the same time.

Are you really that stupid?

Webby · 01-22-2004, 01:06 AM

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Are you really that stupid?

Sadly the quick answer is yes.

CamChicks · 01-22-2004, 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie

You guys want to play semantics? Fine. Try this on for size.
The definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman as husband and wife.
It has nothing, nada, zero, zip to do with religion. Nothing to do with Christians. Nothing to do with bible-belters.
It is a definition that has existed since written language first sprung up.
If you don't like it, well, too damn bad! Pick another word, for christ's sake! (pun very much intended)

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If it is TRULY about taxes, and property, and being able to visit your dying brother in a hospital bed, then wake the fuck up and quit trying to make it about MARRIAGE. Call it what it is - a union, nothing more - and go lobby Congress to pass laws stating that hospitals and real estate attorneys and geeky IRS agents must recognize a gay UNION.

But the christian conservatives who currently occupy too many positions of power
in this country do not want to officially recognize any relationship between same-sex
partners because the bible tells them it is an abomination.

If it were just a matter of labels and definitions, there wouldn't be much arguement.

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Originally posted by Carrie

Akin to the stupid bitch who tried forcing her way into a men's-only golf club in Augusta, Georgia - no matter that there were plenty of other golf clubs that she could attend, no matter that there are even women-only golf clubs that she could attend - she felt the need to take this dumb, extremist, selfish issue as far as it could go - just to make a freaking point.

There are certain constants that cannot be denied.
Women and men are completely and totally separate. This will not change.
Women can have babies, men cannot. This will not change.
Only a man and a woman together can conceive a child. This will not change.

Now if you want to go around trumpeting that men who act like, dress like, and talk like women actually *are* women and should be recognized as such... well, more power to you. Just don't bitch when someone points out the fact that you're wrong.
Same goes for women who take the "butch" stance with their female lovers - this does not make them men.

Sexual identity and sexual attraction and sexual biology are seperate attributes.
There are many "transgendered" people that, regardless of weather or not
they attempt some physiological transformation, are mentally one sex while physically another.
If you cannot accept the science of that, then your mind is just closed to the research.
If you cannot understand the 'hidden' neurology/psychology, then I would ask you
about physical hermaphrodites. Who do they get to marry in your ideologically pure world?

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Originally posted by Carrie

Therefore, the age-old time-tested definition of marriage that says those magical little words, "a man and a woman" - that's not going to change no matter how much you stomp your feet and hold your breath. No matter how much you scream that it's the Christians who insist it's so.

It has changed. In many countries, and now some US states.

NBDesign · 01-22-2004, 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by fyrflygrl
Someone, please send Bush to TONY BLAIR school!

Yea, maybe he will decriminalize pot like they are over there in merry ol england. That would get my vote.

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Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	All of this is really funny. For every leap to the extreme that you want to make, I can make just an extreme leap to illustrate how ridiculous you're being. After all, Jimmy Hoffa is sitting right here next to me with a few of his thugs. You guys want to play semantics? Fine. Try this on for size. The definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman as husband and wife. It has nothing, nada, zero, zip to do with religion. Nothing to do with Christians. Nothing to do with bible-belters. It is a definition that has existed since written language first sprung up. If you don't like it, well, too damn bad! Pick another word, for christ's sake! (pun very much intended) Don't try to blame it on the Christians. Don't try to blame it on the Muslims, or the Jews, or the Pagans, or the Buddhists, or any religion. Blame it on Webster! He's the culprit here! And his buddy Merriam, too. The damn know it all. They must think they're better than everyone else. Yeah, that's it. Better yet, blame it on the Latins, from which the english language is derived. Those damn Latins, surely they must've been up to something! rolls eyes If it is TRULY about taxes, and property, and being able to visit your dying brother in a hospital bed, then wake the fuck up and quit trying to make it about MARRIAGE. Call it what it is - a union, nothing more - and go lobby Congress to pass laws stating that hospitals and real estate attorneys and geeky IRS agents must recognize a gay UNION. Because a MARRIAGE always has been, and always will be between a man and a woman. If you'd like to go back and rewrite history and start changing definitions, then I'd surely like to propose that we change "pornography" to mean "all-encompassing light of goodness and purity". Think that's extreme? So is trying to change the meaning of a word that's been around for thousands of years. Now since we've debunked that whole stupid rhetorical theory, let's get to the nitty-gritty of it. It is NOT about property, or taxes, or visiting sick people in hospitals... it's about making a statement. Nothing more, nothing less. It's an agenda, a big colorful parade going down the middle of main street forcing everyone to look and listen. No matter if they want to look, or listen, or not. Akin to the stupid bitch who tried forcing her way into a men's-only golf club in Augusta, Georgia - no matter that there were plenty of other golf clubs that she could attend, no matter that there are even women-only golf clubs that she could attend - she felt the need to take this dumb, extremist, selfish issue as far as it could go - just to make a freaking point. There are certain constants that cannot be denied. Women and men are completely and totally separate. This will not change. Women can have babies, men cannot. This will not change. Only a man and a woman together can conceive a child. This will not change. Now if you want to go around trumpeting that men who act like, dress like, and talk like women actually are women and should be recognized as such... well, more power to you. Just don't bitch when someone points out the fact that you're wrong. Same goes for women who take the "butch" stance with their female lovers - this does not make them men. Therefore, the age-old time-tested definition of marriage that says those magical little words, "a man and a woman" - that's not going to change no matter how much you stomp your feet and hold your breath. No matter how much you scream that it's the Christians who insist it's so. A union is a bond between any two people, or any number of people, of any sex, race, religion, etc etc etc. A marriage is a more focused and specific union, between a man and a woman. Period. So let's quit blaming it on the Christians, shall we? Egads already.