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bigslim · 10-16-2008, 12:38 PM

i wonder how sextube and gaytube are converting (legal tube sites) tubes are in! gotta take advantage of it and change the way your programs work

Ron2k1 · 10-16-2008, 12:49 PM

Actually many of the big tubes have pretty poor quality movies, I know they offer far too long movie clips, but the quality of those FLV files is often very poor.

The real horny surfer looking for high quality stuff will still do impulse signups.
After a while they get bored of those streaming movies and want WMV files on their harddisk.

But yes it is of course getting harder and harder to send decent sales, those with massive traffic will survive I think.

Twistys Tim · 10-16-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Somewhat true. But you are bringing up a totally separate topic. Not to mention, the smaller stores Wal Mart "put out of business" were all selling the same products made in third world countries with loose labor laws. Wal Mart was just able to buy more of it at a lower cost.

But still, are you suggesting because Wal Mart at one time used child labor that tube sites should be able to steal content as a legitimate business model. I fail to see the connection.

Just saying, some companies roll the dice with regards to laws and what is right and wrong.

xxxjay · 10-16-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by allanuk

Would you get into porn now?

I do not think I would.

Tube Porn sites have killed porn.

You could get into porn. Maybe on the production side. There is still some money left there.

ADL Colin · 10-16-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Not sure I follow you here. Wal Mart is a legal business. I think the problem people have with tube sites is they are all illegal.

There are two issues that come up every time tube sites are being discussed

1. Tube sites that have illegal content
2. Tube sites that have lots of free content.

I'm only addressing #2.

Nomad · 10-16-2008, 04:05 PM

You can't blame the slow down in the porn business on tube sites. There are way more factors.

Lamis · 10-16-2008, 05:48 PM

lol there are 40 minutes long videos on redtube.. yeah this sounds obvious.. but those were 20 minutes long until last month.. whats next?

Also, FREE PORN FORUMS are FULL of Rapidshare links.. and torrents.

you can find anything you want..

I have seen forums with torrents ot every fucking sponsor you can imagine, torrents with complete sites!! WTF??? Torrents of 50 GB!!!!! FREE!! Crazy!!

Fucking insane!!!! Everything is free now.

XXXMovie4M · 10-16-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

You are very wrong. The small sponsor tube sites with short clips will disapear unless they are niche tube sites, The big tubes will continue and make even more money. Why do you think they upsell cams, dating, poker, pills ect because you cant get these for free, so people pay to join these types of sites plus ontop of that they make money from advertising. If you put ads in your movies they generate a lot of revenue too. The big tubes most prob make a lot more money than the average paysite and they aint gonna go any where anytime soon as I see it.

if there's that much money in upsales on tubes sites giving away all that free porn then why don't paysite owners throw up a bunch of adds and upsales in their member's area and then open it up to the public? if it works for tubes sites it should work for anyone...right?

giving away free porn like that just attracts cheap people that won't spend jack shit on anything. they are there to get off...then get off the site.

youporn is one of the top sites on the internet these days but only brings in $120K/month. that's alot of money for you or i but not for being a top google site!

SomeCreep · 10-16-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CHMOD

GFY is well known for having a lot of brainless idiots posting.

I have been reading many posts from you and I have to say :
Upon all of these idiots, you really win the grand prize.

You are so fucking stupid it is not even funny. I even sometimes feel sorry fo you.
The good thing is that you don't know it. It seems like you even think you are brilliant.

You NEVER EVER have anything interresting to say, you always critizise everyone,
trying to (cause you never really succeeded, I mean..no one finds you funny but your own self) to make fun of people.

Man are you annoying. And useless. You are a piece of garbage. It is the last thing I will ever write to you and I won't even come back to read your stupid reply.

You are so wrong dude. Regardless of his personality, Warchild has loads of traffic.

Barefootsies · 10-16-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

You are so wrong dude. Regardless of his personality, Warchild has loads of traffic.

Warchild is one funny mother fucka.

RTP · 10-16-2008, 10:07 PM

if it's not tubes, it's the economy, if it's not the economy its something else, etc etc...there can be only one culprit (see video)

NicAngel · 10-16-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by freshxxxmovie

50% agree!

agreed!

PostWhore · 10-16-2008, 11:29 PM

heard same whining about TGPs

tony286 · 10-16-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PostWhore

heard same whining about TGPs

15 pictures is not the same as full scenes.

Paul Markham · 10-16-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Intervader

That depends on what your promoting. By selling unique products, tube sites will not effect your revenue as much. Examples of this are cam sites, dating and our 3D Sex World

And this is the crunch. It took 9 posts before someone posted the truth.

This is what we, as a business, mostly offer the surfer/member.
Sites that have 40-60 videos in mostly shot be the same person. Most of them lack any originality, uniqueness or porn quality. The scenes on the site are clones of scenes from 10,000 other sites and clones from the scenes on the site.

We then ask them to sign up to a site for 30 days when they only need 30 minutes. There is usually no reason for many to stay a full month because once you have seen Jenny walk into a room/office and give the guy holding the camera a BJ or fuck you have seen the whole site. Because Susan, Jill, Bianca and the rest do it all the same.

The DVD industry is no better and often worse.

The reason is simple. We do not pay enough or put enough importance in what the customer buys. Content has largely become not worth buying and most dream of the day when it returns to the customer HAVING TO BUY.

Why do surfers prefer Tube sites to paid porn?

Because for the surfer they are a better deal.

Have Tube sites killed the business or did we?

Paul Markham · 10-17-2008, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

no, webmasters demanding higher payouts did

If you create a business and product to suit the needs of the people in the business and ignore the needs of the customer you have to face the consequences.

As far as the surfer is concerned the Tubes deliver a better value and more trust worthy than the people trying to sell to him. Now we need to figure out why that is.

I see no one has any argument with my previous statement.

Rorschach · 10-17-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Regardless of his personality

so speaks a diplomat

Tippy · 10-17-2008, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And this is the crunch. It took 9 posts before someone posted the truth.

This is what we, as a business, mostly offer the surfer/member.
Sites that have 40-60 videos in mostly shot be the same person. Most of them lack any originality, uniqueness or porn quality. The scenes on the site are clones of scenes from 10,000 other sites and clones from the scenes on the site.

We then ask them to sign up to a site for 30 days when they only need 30 minutes. There is usually no reason for many to stay a full month because once you have seen Jenny walk into a room/office and give the guy holding the camera a BJ or fuck you have seen the whole site. Because Susan, Jill, Bianca and the rest do it all the same.

The DVD industry is no better and often worse.

The reason is simple. We do not pay enough or put enough importance in what the customer buys. Content has largely become not worth buying and most dream of the day when it returns to the customer HAVING TO BUY.

Why do surfers prefer Tube sites to paid porn?

Because for the surfer they are a better deal.

Have Tube sites killed the business or did we?

I agree

I like my porn to be somewhat on the wild/different/strange side and some type of story line is cool too, I hate bedroom and couch scenes... boring.

ADL Colin · 10-17-2008, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

if there's that much money in upsales on tubes sites giving away all that free porn then why don't paysite owners throw up a bunch of adds and upsales in their member's area and then open it up to the public? if it works for tubes sites it should work for anyone...right?

Even if a paysite were a completely superior business model that doesn't mean that tubes wouldn't be a viable business model. Though I wouldn't characterize it that way. They are just different business models.

ADL Colin · 10-17-2008, 03:12 AM

This is the internet. The evolution is toward FREE. Free browser, free search, free information, free porn.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2008, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

Wal-Mart have got very rich by purchasing the merchandise they sell from markets where there are very loose or non-existent labor laws. One of the bonuses for Wal-Mart was that they could employ children in these markets, and pay them a pittance. It is only when Wal-Mart get caught, and shamed, that they stop using child labor. If nobody cared about kids making stuff for Wal-Mart to sell, then Wal-Mart would have continued and expanded the use of child labor. They got caught, they said sorry, and promised to not get caught again. Many large companies use a model where the profits are measured against a possible average fine, and if they can break the law for 10-years and make off like bandits before getting caught and fined, then they will make off like bandits.

Clearly the surfer does not care if the content is stolen. He only cares if it's what he wants. Which is the same as most buyers. Do we look at the label on goods and worry if it was made in Pakistan, China, Philippines or do we look at the price only?

Even as affiliates do we care if the sponsor is giving us what we want or do we put the surfer first. The reason many sponsors run shitty sites and use pre checked cross sales is we do not care about anyone but ourselves.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2008, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tippy

I agree

I like my porn to be somewhat on the wild/different/strange side and some type of story line is cool too, I hate bedroom and couch scenes... boring.

There is a content provider who was blasting on about shooting in HD was the way to make sales. And he had a sample of his work on his site. It was shot in HD and crap.

He did not know how to light HD.
It was under exposed by 1.5 stops and flat.
He put a tanned girl on a tan colored sofa in a tan colored room.
She was nothing special.
She was half heartedly shagging and clearly fake it.
Her moans were pretty constant throughout the scene.
There was no reason for them to be on the sofa fucking.
Even though the style was not Gonzo she kept looking at the camera.
And she was looking to the camera mans right by about 6 feet.
After she looked to camera right she changed position.
The boy was a clueless dork, probably a boyfriend or cheap male model.

Other than the above and the fact that I've seen the same scene with different people a 1000 times it was OK.

This is the scariest thing, the exclusive custom shooter thought this was a good enough scene to put up as a sample of his work. But he seems to be busy and I think the reason is he's cheap.

Now think of the content available for purchase. Some is shot by guys like me, from as bad as me to good. But a lot of it is DVD content. The reason some DVD people are selling it is they can't sell enough in the shops. If they were they would not be coming to a broker.

Now tell me in general the above is not true. Or tell me why we expect surfers to buy. Because it seems to me that the main wish of the Tube haters is that the surfer has to but. Try making a product he wants to buy rather than has to buy. Because Tubes are here to stay.

A bedroom or a couch scene could be good, it depends who is shooting it and the budget.

just a punk · 10-17-2008, 05:37 AM

ADL Colin · 10-17-2008, 06:07 AM

Encyclopedias. Price moving toward free. Encyclopedia Britannica salesmen used to sell door-to-door. By 1995 half of all encyclopedia salesmen had already been laid off. Now they are no more. Wiki wiki wiki.

Newspapers. Price moving toward free. Bad for Gannett. Good for bloggers.

signupdamnit · 10-17-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by camgirlshide

don't name the affiliate program because I don't believe either deserves the advertising that comes with a mention by name

No, it'd be good to tell us the name of affiliate program which does this so we do not waste our time and traffic promoting them.

halfpint · 10-17-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

if there's that much money in upsales on tubes sites giving away all that free porn then why don't paysite owners throw up a bunch of adds and upsales in their member's area and then open it up to the public? if it works for tubes sites it should work for anyone...right?

It would most prob work for paysites that have high traffic but I dought most paysites that do not have a unique niche/content would even give this a thought.

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

giving away free porn like that just attracts cheap people that won't spend jack shit on anything. they are there to get off...then get off the site.

If thats the case why do the big tubes stay online I dought they do it for fun. Tubes use a similar idea to what supermarkets have been doing for years, by the use of the word "Free" in a lot of thier promotions and also give away free products in order to sell a product. If you think about it when you go into a super market and see a special offer that says "get a free laptop when you buy a mobile phone on contract, a lot of people are gonna buy the phone just to get the free laptop. Most paysites are offering a small preview and thats like saying buy a mobile phone and get half a laptop free. You have to offer your punters something worthwhile in the firstplace. So tubes offer free porn in order to sell a product that you cant get for free. This does not go for the niche tubes they are totaly different.
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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

youporn is one of the top sites on the internet these days but only brings in $120K/month. that's alot of money for you or i but not for being a top google site!

That is a hell of a lot more than what most general paysites could even dream to bring in so they must be doing something right. Btw where did you get this info from of how much youporn are making now.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

This is the internet. The evolution is toward FREE. Free browser, free search, free information, free porn.

I've heard this on surfers boards and it always makes me laugh. Reading on a professionals board makes me despair. The Internet should never be about FREE.

The Internet is a golden opportunity in which the West can lead, to make money. If it goes to being just free where are the opportunities? For a few sites to advertise goods. The rest will be nothing. Unless it's stolen.

Who will produce content if it's put up for free. Who will run sites if it's all meant to be "free" on the Internet? For the Internet to reach it's full potential it needs regulating on a world wide basis, it needs to get rid of the charlatans, scammers and out right thieves. It needs to gain the trust of the customers.

Yes there will be many who can't compete and will lose out. But there will be more who can compete and stay in business than if we go the route of a "Free" Internet. You can have a place where business is done properly or a place where thieves rule. Can't have both.

lucas131 · 10-17-2008, 12:46 PM

Tube sites definitely decrease conversions for regural paysites

WarChild · 10-17-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

You are so wrong dude. Regardless of his personality, Warchild has loads of traffic.

You're right. It's hard to peg someone who's as senstitive, charming, compassionate, well mannered, open and giving as me for somebody with traffic. It's an honest mistake.

ADL Colin · 10-17-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I've heard this on surfers boards and it always makes me laugh. Reading on a professionals board makes me despair. The Internet should never be about FREE.

You talk about "should" all you wish. I'm talking about "is".

dailyduke · 10-17-2008, 12:58 PM

History dictates that if you provide it people will always pay for porn...

I do not agree that Tube Sites are killing porn, illegal use of content on free tube sites that allow that will obviously cause some trouble. I would not want my content out there making money for someone when it is not also making money for me. That would be ludicris.

However, legitimate tube sites that offer the user glimpses at content they may choose to buy. Not every user is a stingy ass cheapo looking for the crappy free pics and videos, many are true appreciators looking for the good stuff and willing.

You need to adjust to the changing environment of the industry. You need to seek out trends and find a way to make these models legit and profitable. People hated TGPs now they are a recognized method of getting traffic.

Go with the Flow, and promote DP, we will give you MP4s for your sites, we wont give away the farm, but we will help you make conversions from our teaser's

Paul Markham · 10-17-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

You talk about "should" all you wish. I'm talking about "is".

No it is not. There are hundreds of thousands of site charging money or selling something. If the Internet becomes all "free" then they will go. Who will make the games, put up the porn, music and everything else that people buy if it goes for free. Who will buy the hosting services, processing and all the other parts that go to make the thriving Internet business if it goes free?

Things like Google, browsers and other tools will always be free. But the bulk has to be paid for. Yes we have a long way to go and it will need a joint effort on the behalf of Governments to make the Internet what it should be, but it will come. Your dream is for kids who think it can be free and still remain as it is.

The real truth is the "free" brigade would hate it being free. They need others to pay for the goods they steal.

I'm a hippy from the 60s, we dreamed of a world that was free back then. While drawing the dole money others paid for. We needed others to work for our freedom to feed ourselves.

ADL Colin · 10-17-2008, 01:14 PM

WarChild · 10-17-2008, 01:15 PM

Why argue with Paul Markham? He's so far out of touch with reality it's just not worth your time. Save your time and effort, seriously.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Why argue with Paul Markham? He's so far out of touch with reality it's just not worth your time. Save your time and effort, seriously.

So point out where I'm wrong.

A few Tube sites stealing members does not mean the whole system is about to collapse. Some peoples system might collapse, but that's their problem. Tubes don't meet the real needs of real porn consumers. They don't steal members from sites that look after their members. They take members from people who are still thinking that traffic is king and the surfer is a pawn.

The Surfer is King and if you don't treat him as one he will go elsewhere. If Tube sites are better than paysites, that's the fault of paysites not Tubes for making a place the surfer prefers.

Come up with a useful argument and don't post bland meaningless statements. If you have one.

Violetta · 10-17-2008, 01:26 PM

before the tubes, it was "easy" to make money! Now it is not!

d-null · 10-17-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

..... Tubes don't meet the real needs of real porn consumers. ....

well, the traffic numbers say otherwise

every guy that watches a video on a tubesite is a "real porn consumer", just more and more unlikely every day that goes by to be a "real porn consumer" that is willing to pay any money out of his pocket for the porn he is "consuming"

perfectodollars-gabrio · 10-17-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The reason is simple. We do not pay enough or put enough importance in what the customer buys. Content has largely become not worth buying and most dream of the day when it returns to the customer HAVING TO BUY.

i second that and i would say another thing.... everybody complains and complains about tube sites and everything, it's true, i can fire up the torrent and i find full DVDs in awesome quality but the fact is one, we have come at a point where the cake is still the same but there are more people eating therefore the margins for everybody are lower... plus with people sharing you easily find whatever you want with a little research and free.....you don't have to be Einstein to figure out that... so i think that pointing at quality is the way to go nowadays.... in the end there is too much of everything....i always think that when i go in the stores at the malls here (italy), you see TOO MUCH of everything then of course all those shops earn less, this is where we have came to and we can either complain all the time or just move forward and see things from another point of view, things move so fast so you either take the train or it will leave you at the station.

maybe we have come to a point where nothing new can be done? that's the real question.

WarChild · 10-17-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So point out where I'm wrong.

A few Tube sites stealing members does not mean the whole system is about to collapse. Some peoples system might collapse, but that's their problem. Tubes don't meet the real needs of real porn consumers. They don't steal members from sites that look after their members. They take members from people who are still thinking that traffic is king and the surfer is a pawn.

The Surfer is King and if you don't treat him as one he will go elsewhere. If Tube sites are better than paysites, that's the fault of paysites not Tubes for making a place the surfer prefers.

Come up with a useful argument and don't post bland meaningless statements. If you have one.

Paul, I don't really care to argue with you because I don't really respect your opinion or the way that you do business. I think you're a dinosaur.

I'll just give you the top three reasons why and then we can just go our seperate ways.

1) You went back on a gentleman's agreement you had with me over ICQ. You decided to change the terms after the fact after I'd bought a few thousand dollars worth of content off of you.

2) You tried to support an argument with stats from a site that turned out to be impossible to join. In other words you manufactured evidence to support your position. That's absurd.

3) You run your business in such a rag tag fashion that when your wife was injured you couldn't get a damned thing done. No serious business person gets caught out in the cold because they hace no control what so ever of their own business.

So there you have it. You're not good on your word, you make shit up to support the crazy crap you say, and you're completely unorganized as a business person. How could I, or anyone else for that matter, take you seriously?

You remind me of a teacher I had in highschool. He used to teach the typing class on type writers, but when the school got a computer lab they moved him to teaching that class. He taught us how to type on a computer, as if it were simply a type writer.

ADL Colin · 10-17-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

well, the traffic numbers say otherwise

every guy that watches a video on a tubesite is a "real porn consumer", just more and more unlikely every day that goes by to be a "real porn consumer" that is willing to pay any money out of his pocket for the porn he is "consuming"

Correct-a-mundo!

RogerV · 10-17-2008, 04:06 PM

As long as Dating and cam sites pay tube sites. Paysites are fucked. everyone should stop producing new content or not give it out keep it exclusive to your pornsite. only people making money off your content is cam and dating period...

DVTimes · 10-17-2008, 04:23 PM

paysites have killed porn (pay) sites.

natron · 10-17-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RTP

if it's not tubes, it's the economy, if it's not the economy its something else, etc etc...there can be only one culprit (see video)

WWC · 10-17-2008, 04:50 PM

We have been selling internet porn for over 15 years....thats a long time for internet. Whether we like it or not, the internet is becoming more and more like Television. Lots of content will be free and some you will have to pay for and all commercial marketing will be online rather than on TV itself....you must adapt and change your business models.

Fabien · 10-17-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eriic

Start a documentary about how the economy + tubsites have killed porn and webmasters have to turn to minimum wage jobs cause they don't have viable skills in real life and how many will end up on welfare and still be employed at Walmart......

This coming out of a surfer just made MY DAY

Fabien · 10-17-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by camgirlshide

I still don't understand why the following policies are not in effect:

1. If you see a tube site sign up for your program and start sending you traffic - immediately drop them for a TOS violation and do not send them any money.
2. If you see a sponsor you promote not follow #1, immediate drop them and stop sending them any traffic.

FUCKING RIGHT !!!!

RARETY MAKES US MONEY !
:1orgla
Think a second. If you could get copies of Ferrari's that would cost only 30k that would look almost THE SAME but only you, would know about it, would you buy a 300K+ one (or even more) for the real one ?

Fabien · 10-17-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PostWhore

heard same whining about TGPs

Oh come on dude ?
Are fucking serious here now ?

20 secs clips versus the full stuff give me a break HERE !

Cut down the online free porn by laws or whatever and bring back this thread to life after, to see what happened

If you could get a brand new Hyundai for free would you buy a 30k car ?
NO ! You would take it and spend your cash elsewhere. Yeah, it wouldn't be the car you wanted but...

Of course, there will still be people willing to pay for better cars, more expensive ones. But guess on number of the Hyundai's around

Fabien · 10-17-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And this is the crunch. It took 9 posts before someone posted the truth.

This is what we, as a business, mostly offer the surfer/member.
Sites that have 40-60 videos in mostly shot be the same person. Most of them lack any originality, uniqueness or porn quality. The scenes on the site are clones of scenes from 10,000 other sites and clones from the scenes on the site.

We then ask them to sign up to a site for 30 days when they only need 30 minutes. There is usually no reason for many to stay a full month because once you have seen Jenny walk into a room/office and give the guy holding the camera a BJ or fuck you have seen the whole site. Because Susan, Jill, Bianca and the rest do it all the same.

The DVD industry is no better and often worse.

The reason is simple. We do not pay enough or put enough importance in what the customer buys. Content has largely become not worth buying and most dream of the day when it returns to the customer HAVING TO BUY.

Why do surfers prefer Tube sites to paid porn?

Because for the surfer they are a better deal.

Have Tube sites killed the business or did we?

Yes Paul, it's doing it !
Remember 10 years ago ? You could find any free vids around, sales were AWESOME ! Hell, sponsors were offering 15cents plus a click NO CONVERSION ! Why ? NO FREEBIES FLYING AROUND ! Content was as good as today (time wise) but you didn't see it everywhere, cheap format or not and trust me, it won't take 2 years before you see high quality content FOR FREE flying around.

Fabien · 10-17-2008, 05:38 PM

Feed some African places over and over again. They will starve if you stop feeding them.

Teach them to grow their own food and guess what ...

abyss_al · 10-17-2008, 06:47 PM

a: hi, would you like to promote my program?
b: whats your payout?
a: 60% rev
b: LOL! come back to me when you have PPS
...
a: hey, we got PPS now..
b: whats your payout?
a: 20 PPS
b: LOL! come back to me when you have better PPS
...
a: hey, were paying 30PPS
b: why should I promote you when __.com is paying 50PPS?

hmmm... how can I payout that much and still be around? xsells...

close?

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bigslim Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 111	i wonder how sextube and gaytube are converting (legal tube sites) tubes are in! gotta take advantage of it and change the way your programs work

10-16-2008, 12:49 PM	#52
Ron2k1 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,573	Actually many of the big tubes have pretty poor quality movies, I know they offer far too long movie clips, but the quality of those FLV files is often very poor. The real horny surfer looking for high quality stuff will still do impulse signups. After a while they get bored of those streaming movies and want WMV files on their harddisk. But yes it is of course getting harder and harder to send decent sales, those with massive traffic will survive I think.

10-16-2008, 05:48 PM	#57
Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	lol there are 40 minutes long videos on redtube.. yeah this sounds obvious.. but those were 20 minutes long until last month.. whats next? Also, FREE PORN FORUMS are FULL of Rapidshare links.. and torrents. you can find anything you want.. I have seen forums with torrents ot every fucking sponsor you can imagine, torrents with complete sites!! WTF??? Torrents of 50 GB!!!!! FREE!! Crazy!! Fucking insane!!!! Everything is free now.

10-17-2008, 06:07 AM	#74
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	Encyclopedias. Price moving toward free. Encyclopedia Britannica salesmen used to sell door-to-door. By 1995 half of all encyclopedia salesmen had already been laid off. Now they are no more. Wiki wiki wiki. Newspapers. Price moving toward free. Bad for Gannett. Good for bloggers. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

10-17-2008, 12:46 PM	#78
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	Tube sites definitely decrease conversions for regural paysites

10-17-2008, 12:58 PM	#81
dailyduke Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Angels & Sin... Posts: 286	History dictates that if you provide it people will always pay for porn... I do not agree that Tube Sites are killing porn, illegal use of content on free tube sites that allow that will obviously cause some trouble. I would not want my content out there making money for someone when it is not also making money for me. That would be ludicris. However, legitimate tube sites that offer the user glimpses at content they may choose to buy. Not every user is a stingy ass cheapo looking for the crappy free pics and videos, many are true appreciators looking for the good stuff and willing. You need to adjust to the changing environment of the industry. You need to seek out trends and find a way to make these models legit and profitable. People hated TGPs now they are a recognized method of getting traffic. Go with the Flow, and promote DP, we will give you MP4s for your sites, we wont give away the farm, but we will help you make conversions from our teaser's __________________ WE BUILD WEBSITES

10-17-2008, 01:14 PM	#83
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	__________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

10-17-2008, 01:15 PM	#84
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Why argue with Paul Markham? He's so far out of touch with reality it's just not worth your time. Save your time and effort, seriously. __________________ .

10-17-2008, 01:26 PM	#86
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	before the tubes, it was "easy" to make money! Now it is not! __________________ M&A Queen

10-17-2008, 04:06 PM	#91
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	As long as Dating and cam sites pay tube sites. Paysites are fucked. everyone should stop producing new content or not give it out keep it exclusive to your pornsite. only people making money off your content is cam and dating period...

10-17-2008, 04:23 PM	#92
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	paysites have killed porn (pay) sites. __________________ The Affiliate Program

10-17-2008, 04:50 PM	#94
WWC #1 Adult Content Provider Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Glendale, Ca Posts: 11,577	We have been selling internet porn for over 15 years....thats a long time for internet. Whether we like it or not, the internet is becoming more and more like Television. Lots of content will be free and some you will have to pay for and all commercial marketing will be online rather than on TV itself....you must adapt and change your business models. __________________ [email protected] ICQ : 494-353-230 Follow WWC on Twitter CLICK HERE! " CONTENT PROVIDER OF THE YEAR! " ~ 2007 , 2008 & 2009 XBIZ AWARDS WINNER! .......www.WorldWideContent.com / www.WorldWideFeeds.com...... WWC Nominated " Content Licensor of The Year " 2010 XBiz Awards !!!

10-17-2008, 05:38 PM	#99
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Feed some African places over and over again. They will starve if you stop feeding them. Teach them to grow their own food and guess what ...

10-17-2008, 06:47 PM	#100
abyss_al LOOKING FOR TRADES Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 15,605	a: hi, would you like to promote my program? b: whats your payout? a: 60% rev b: LOL! come back to me when you have PPS ... a: hey, we got PPS now.. b: whats your payout? a: 20 PPS b: LOL! come back to me when you have better PPS ... a: hey, were paying 30PPS b: why should I promote you when __.com is paying 50PPS? hmmm... how can I payout that much and still be around? xsells... close? __________________ EMAIL: allen @ vasmediagroup.com \| ICQ: 311329761 \| SKYPE: abyss.al \| AIM: xABYSSxALx