Extreme border patrol police brutality [VIDEO] - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

sortie · 04-17-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Dont you love how fast the fake nics get approved but we have a lot of good people that have to nearly beg..

I tried to get a fake nick but it didn't go thru.

marketsmart · 04-17-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

100 retards.

Bill8 · 04-17-2009, 02:45 PM

Most cops are morally corrupt and abusive, and the process we use to create cops selects for sociopaths, then trains them in how to be better sociopaths.

It's not really their fault, it's our fault, we turn our cops into assholes, and we allow sociopaths and partial-sociopaths to become cops, and we allow and secretly approve of their moral corruption.

Now we have a pastor who knows what cops are all about.

I bet last week he was all secretly happy we have sociopathic cops to protect him from all the spics and blacks.

Now he's the spic.

That same day thousands of people, certainly hundreds, were secretly beaten by our cops, and none of them will get any sympathy.

baddog · 04-17-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

Most cops are morally corrupt and abusive, and the process we use to create cops selects for sociopaths, then trains them in how to be better sociopaths.

There is as much accuracy in that statement as to say all [or most] pornographers are into KP and scat.

kane · 04-17-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Look maybe you dont understand what it means, whats to stop the police from coming to your home and asking the same questions? We are legally protected from these kind of gestapo techniques within our constitution.

"Just cooperate sir, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about"

Here is the difference. They can't just pick a house a random and search it just in case you have something illegal in there. They have to have probable cause to search a house and often need a search warrant. The same could be said if you were just walking down the street in your town enjoying a spring afternoon and they roll up on you and start questioning you for no reason.

But this is a checkpoint. A checkpoint is put in place to help catch criminals. You can expect when you go to a checkpoint that they might ask you some questions. You can choose not to answer those questions if you want. But the minute you start arguing with them and not answering their questions they are going to get suspicious. It is not like this guy was just driving down the street and they randomly pulled him over. He is in a state that has a major problem with drugs and immigrants coming across its borders. He went through a checkpoint designed to help catch these things. It is reasonable for the people at that checkpoint to ask you some questions when you go through it.

That said it was not acceptable that he got his ass kicked like he did. If they decided to remove him from the car they didn't need to break all the windows out, they could have told him they were going to remove him from the car and that if he resisted they would taze him. No need to kick his ass and stand on his face and then mock him (if that really happened)

cykoe6 · 04-17-2009, 03:34 PM

It is sad to see all the people who defend random government search and seizures that are based on no probable cause. The right to be free from such searches is a fundamental right of the US Constitution. The fact that it has been ignored and abused as long as most of us have been alive does not change the fact that unreasonable searches and seizures (DUI checkpoints, drug checkpoints, etc.) are unconstitutional and an affront to basic civil rights.

kane · 04-17-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

Most cops are morally corrupt and abusive, and the process we use to create cops selects for sociopaths, then trains them in how to be better sociopaths.

It's not really their fault, it's our fault, we turn our cops into assholes, and we allow sociopaths and partial-sociopaths to become cops, and we allow and secretly approve of their moral corruption.

Now we have a pastor who knows what cops are all about.

I bet last week he was all secretly happy we have sociopathic cops to protect him from all the spics and blacks.

Now he's the spic.

That same day thousands of people, certainly hundreds, were secretly beaten by our cops, and none of them will get any sympathy.

Judging by this post I would guess you clearly have no idea how cops are hired.

I won't argue that there are bad, morally bankrupt cops. There are. But they are the minority. I have a lot of friends that are cops and through them I know a bunch more cops. There are a couple that I would consider assholes, but most of them are good people who are doing a tough job and they are just like everyone else. The problem is we only hear about things when a cop does something bad or controversial. You never hear about the tens of thousands of cops who do a good job and are good people.

In a way it is like this industry. There are a lot of cool, good people in this business. There are people who raise a lot of money for charity. There is ASACP which is entirely industry funded and most of the people in this business are good, normal people. But if you are outside this business the only thing you ever hear about is a guy like Max Hardcore or the Extreme Associates who go on trial for their simulated rape and extreme porn. And the media is not shy about linking regular porn and CP so many people think if you are in the porn industry you support or sell CP as well. Just because people might think that, it doesn't make it so.

kane · 04-17-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

It is sad to see all the people who defend random government search and seizures that are based on no probable cause. The right to be free from such searches is a fundamental right of the US Constitution. The fact that it has been ignored and abused as long as most of us have been alive does not change the fact that unreasonable searches and seizures (DUI checkpoints, drug checkpoints, etc.) are unconstitutional and an affront to basic civil rights.

So let me ask you this. Should we just take down all the checkpoints and let anyone and everyone who wants into the country in? Why not? We can just have a checkpoint and all you have to do is say: "I'm an American citizen, I'm not answering your questions." and you will just be allowed to go on, no more questions asked. It doesn't matter if you are or are not a citizen, you have said it was so and if they are not going answer any more questions then you have no way of determining if maybe they are lying to you. So just let them all in.

cykoe6 · 04-17-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

So let me ask you this. Should we just take down all the checkpoints and let anyone and everyone who wants into the country in? Why not? We can just have a checkpoint and all you have to do is say: "I'm an American citizen, I'm not answering your questions." and you will just be allowed to go on, no more questions asked. It doesn't matter if you are or are not a citizen, you have said it was so and if they are not going answer any more questions then you have no way of determining if maybe they are lying to you. So just let them all in.

Of course not. Border checkpoints and searches are perfectly legitimate. The person in the video was pulled into a checkpoint on I-8 in US territory... not at the border.

kane · 04-17-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Of course not. Border checkpoints and searches are perfectly legitimate. The person in the video was pulled into a checkpoint on I-8 in US territory... not at the border.

And I am sure the checkpoint is there because they have no other way to spend that money and just out of sheer boredom they decided to put a checkpoint in a random place.

I would bet the checkpoint is there because that is a place known for a decent amount of people/drug smuggling. People do sneak into the country in places where we don't have guards and checkpoints, maybe this one is in place to help catch some of those people who circumnavigate the border checkpoints.

I go back to my original statement. It all comes down to location and situation. If you are walking down the street in your neighborhood and the cops just roll up on you and start questioning you without any reason you should be able to just walk away and ignore them. If you refuse to answer it is understandable. But if you are at a checkpoint you can expect to be asked a few questions and the minute you refuse and get belligerent about it you cast a shadow of suspicion on yourself.

But I will ask the same question as before. With these checkpoints should anyone who says, "I'm an American citizen an I won't answer any questions." Be allowed to just pass on through?

Ethersync · 04-17-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

It is sad to see all the people who defend random government search and seizures that are based on no probable cause. The right to be free from such searches is a fundamental right of the US Constitution. The fact that it has been ignored and abused as long as most of us have been alive does not change the fact that unreasonable searches and seizures (DUI checkpoints, drug checkpoints, etc.) are unconstitutional and an affront to basic civil rights.

Thanks for adding some sanity to this thread...

moeloubani · 04-17-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

And I am sure the checkpoint is there because they have no other way to spend that money and just out of sheer boredom they decided to put a checkpoint in a random place.

I would bet the checkpoint is there because that is a place known for a decent amount of people/drug smuggling. People do sneak into the country in places where we don't have guards and checkpoints, maybe this one is in place to help catch some of those people who circumnavigate the border checkpoints.

I go back to my original statement. It all comes down to location and situation. If you are walking down the street in your neighborhood and the cops just roll up on you and start questioning you without any reason you should be able to just walk away and ignore them. If you refuse to answer it is understandable. But if you are at a checkpoint you can expect to be asked a few questions and the minute you refuse and get belligerent about it you cast a shadow of suspicion on yourself.

But I will ask the same question as before. With these checkpoints should anyone who says, "I'm an American citizen an I won't answer any questions." Be allowed to just pass on through?

So you're saying that when the cops stop you on the road in your car and ask to do a search you should always say yes? After all, if they can't search then every criminal can just say no and drive away, right? So whats the point of all the cops? If you're in a car are you giving up your right to privacy, and if you're going to travel between states are you giving up your right to privacy? No, you aren't. And that's the point here, that you are entitled to privacy until they have reasonable grounds to arrest you and do their search. Reasonable grounds isn't refusing a search, the right to refuse the search is the same as the right to not be searched so saying you can't refuse a search means you would just let the cops search, every time.

What about if you were going through and had a laptop, cop asks to search your car, you say yes and he grabs your laptop. Then he tells you he has to take it down to the station for them to test it and you'll get it back when they're done, in a few months. You would be ok with that right, after all you drove through the checkpoint!

baddog · 04-17-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Of course not. Border checkpoints and searches are perfectly legitimate. The person in the video was pulled into a checkpoint on I-8 in US territory... not at the border.

Try to use your brain.

WarChild · 04-17-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Of course not. Border checkpoints and searches are perfectly legitimate. The person in the video was pulled into a checkpoint on I-8 in US territory... not at the border.

Just out of curiosity, where exactly do yout hink border checkpoints are located? I'll give you a clue. US border check points are in US territory.

escorpio · 04-17-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Why

check points are totally legal and AZ has had them for years as far as i know. dont know any other states that have them.

New Mexico has one just north of Las Cruces.

PornMD · 04-17-2009, 04:58 PM

It sucks, it wasn't right of them to do, he shouldn't be illegally searched like that assuming what he said about the dog was true, but for all the people that are so passionately saying that everyone saying he deserved it is supporting all of our rights being taken away, guess what? SO ARE YOU! Posting about this on an adult message forum and battling wits with pornographers does not equal doing something to actually make a difference and change the way the country is heading. You're just taking this up the ass like the rest of us but want to pretend you're our saviors or something. Get fucking real. Tell us something substantial you've done in response to this that may help counteract this type of police behavior and breach of our rights. Spouting off at a couple pornographers for saying the priest should have cooperated ain't doing the job.

Here's the reality of the situation:

- As he said, from moment 1 he wasn't answering their questions. So he was being completely uncooperative - which is his right, but COMMON SENSE dictates cops aren't going to like that.

- The police could have decided "k he's not cooperating, oh well, let him through". If he gets caught later somewhere in the state with drugs or weapons, based on his behavior to them at the checkpoint, they probably lose their jobs. Or say he had that stuff and ended up harming or killing someone in the state? No cap wants to be the one responsible for that.

- With that thought in mind, they use their techniques to try and force his cooperation - first by asking "nicely", then by saying the dog reacted to his trunk. Again, by use of COMMON SENSE, once they bring the dog into play which is textbook probable cause, the priest has to know that they aren't going to let him leave peacefully without searching his trunk.

- I'm sure the priest knows that...the guy doesn't SEEM like he lives under a rock. So - his choice was take this last out for them to search his trunk so he can be on his way, or don't and at best be arrested peacefully, at worst get his ass beat. He made his choice - to somewhat martyr himself to say "fuck you" to the man. He saw they were going to break his windows and he didn't change his tune, so to me he knew the outcome of the choice he was making, and again only someone living under a rock for the past decade or two would have not understood what was going to happen with repeated uncooperation especially after the probable cause was introduced, whether they fudged the probable cause or not. That in no way means they should have done what they did, but this is probably the millionth case of police forceably getting their way over an uncooperative person.

- All that said, we're taking his word for everything. We don't know if everything happened exactly as he said - we're taking 100% his word for it because OMG he's a pastor and put up a video on YouTube and pastors have never lied in the history of life ever and it's on YouTube so it must be true.

- In the end, this is just another "Don't tase me bro!"...nobody except maybe the pastor himself will take any action because of this situation to change the fact that cops will do what they damn well please whenever they want. Heck, with all the rumors flying around now about the UIGEA probably being overturned this year, it's apparent that more Americans care about being able to gamble online than having personal rights, being protected instead of constantly SUSPECTed by cops, and feeling overall safe - because those online gamblers gathered together and have taken sufficient action to get their way whereas we let ourselves be raped. Pretty sad, eh?

As for me? I cooperate with police and don't bitch about it, and whaddya know? I've never gotten the fuck beat out of me by police - what a coincidence! Thanks to internet and social media, we're already losing much of the privacy that the government is intruding on - what fucking difference does it make? I don't like the fact that I may get my ass beat by cops for practicing the rights afforded to me by the constitution, but yes, if given a choice of letting cops search my trunk (where they will find a bunch of uninteresting shit) or getting my ass beat, I choose letting them search my trunk. *I* would be more enraged about the situation if he had been cooperative and they didn't find anything in his trunk and they manufactured a reason to beat his ass and arrest him anyways, and I'm sure there's probably been situations like that that have occurred.

cykoe6 · 04-17-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Try to use your brain.

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Just out of curiosity, where exactly do yout hink border checkpoints are located? I'll give you a clue. US border check points are in US territory.

Perhaps I misunderstood the video narrative but I understood that the person in question had not crossed the US border and was in the US the entire time. If he crossed the border into the US from Mexico then being subject to a search and questioning would be quite reasonable.

WarChild · 04-17-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Perhaps I misunderstood the video narrative but I understood that the person in question had not crossed the US border and was in the US the entire time. If he crossed the border into the US from Mexico then being subject to a search and questioning would be quite reasonable.

No, you got it right the first time. He didn't cross an international border. You made a point of saying this happened in US territory though and I just wanted to point out that even US Customs border crossings are located in US territory.

kane · 04-17-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

So you're saying that when the cops stop you on the road in your car and ask to do a search you should always say yes? After all, if they can't search then every criminal can just say no and drive away, right? So whats the point of all the cops? If you're in a car are you giving up your right to privacy, and if you're going to travel between states are you giving up your right to privacy? No, you aren't. And that's the point here, that you are entitled to privacy until they have reasonable grounds to arrest you and do their search. Reasonable grounds isn't refusing a search, the right to refuse the search is the same as the right to not be searched so saying you can't refuse a search means you would just let the cops search, every time.

What about if you were going through and had a laptop, cop asks to search your car, you say yes and he grabs your laptop. Then he tells you he has to take it down to the station for them to test it and you'll get it back when they're done, in a few months. You would be ok with that right, after all you drove through the checkpoint!

That is exactly not what I said. Please go back and read what I have written.

I said that this case was different because it took place at a checkpoint. When you drive into a checkpoint you can expect to be asked questions. If you are driving down the road and you are doing nothing wrong and the cops decide to just stop you for no good reason you should be allowed to ask why you were stopped and refuse to answer any questions you don't want and you should be allowed to refuse to let them search your car if you want. In this case I was simply saying that when you go to a checkpoint you can expect to be asked questions. The checkpoint is there for a reason. If you refuse and start acting strange you will cast suspicion on yourself. When you start acting suspicious it gives then a reason to want to search your car.

The cops need to be able to search people's cars if they have reasonable cause and that has to be taken on a case by case basis. You tell me. A guy pulls into a checkpoint in a state that is known for having tons of drugs and illegal immigrants being smuggled into it. You ask him a few routine questions and he refuses to answer. Are you going to let him go? No, you are now suspicious of him. Sure, he has the right to refuse to answer, but why is he? You also have to ask yourself what types of questions were asked? This is something none of us know. If he asked where the guy was heading and the guy immediately refuses to answer that might be suspicious. I have driven into California dozens of times and at the checkpoint they always stop me and ask if I have a fruit on board. I don't see any problem with that question so I answer it. If I refused to answer it might cast a suspicion that in fact I did have fruit in my car and they might ask to search it. At the same time if they ask me some kind of question that has nothing to do with the situation at hand and I refuse to answer that they should not have a right so search me based on the question.

It is not a black and white issue. You have to take the location, the situation, the questions asked and the way the guy acted all into consideration.

For example. If he pulled up to the checkpoint and the cop asked him "Where are you coming from?" and he immediately refuses to answer that might seem suspicious. It really is none of the cops business where the guy is coming from, but if the guy was in mexico and he says, "Mexico." now the cop might say, "did anyone give you something to carry with you into the country?" or something like that. Again, if he then refuses to answer it looks funny. At the same time if he asked the the guy, "What do you do for a living?" And the guys says, "I'm a pastor." So the cop replies, "So does that mean you fuck young boys?" And the guy refused to answer you could understand that. A question like that has nothing to do with why the checkpoint is there or what they are trying to accomplish with it.

I am all for personal freedom. I think we need more of it in this country. But I also understand that immigration is a huge problem with this country and stopping it is not easy. If helping to stop it means that from time to time you have to stop at a checkpoint and answer a few questions then I don't see how this is a huge deal.

escorpio · 04-17-2009, 05:30 PM

Sending an uncooperative asshat through a checkpoint would be a great way to distract from a load going through. I'm just saying.

Quagmire · 04-17-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Are you stupid or do you play stupid on TV?
I dont know about your fucking country but in America we are supposed to be protected against illegal search and seizure. So if the police randomly came to your home and said may we search your home because we believe you have drugs in your home would you let them? What stops them from just going down each street in America and doing the same?

You should be ashamed as an American that you don't understand your own constitution. The 4th amendment protects you from unreasonable search and seizure.

Driving down a public road way in an area that has an ongoing issues of specific types of 'crime' would fall under what is currently considered reasonable search. Thank paranoia and the patriot act. Especially if the person refused access to his/her vehicle and was not cooperating by answering questions asked, which he openly admitted that he did.

He got smacked down because he fought the law, and the law won.

Hustlin Entertainment · 04-17-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

the greatest thing about america is that you have the freedom to leave whenever you wish..

you dont like the rules here then get the fuck out..

and almost all of the people that whine here about bush this or obama that, don't do shit to change anything except spout off on the internet..

many of us leave and lead a better, healthier life...who wants to worry about state inspection stickers, state taxes on your car, home owners insurance, pedestrian insurance, random searches because of your ethnicity....I left that shit behind, way behind, i'm pretty worry free where i live, it's not the best in terms of living conditions but it improves bit by bit.. i'd rather live in 2nd rate country with more rights than a 1st rate with close to no rights, ever seen 'Idiocracy'? Now it's becoming a reality....

Hustlin Entertainment · 04-17-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I'm not saying that all. If I'm saying anything it's this: "It does not good to argue with a cop or person of authority because they will win every time. If you feel you've been wronged, you take it to court and let the judge decide.

The idiot here is the guy who was being difficult and those who believe that I'm an idiot for having a point of view that doesn't agree with theirs.

Posting false accusations, especially of this type are grounds for immediate banning!

WarChild · 04-17-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hustlin Entertainment

Posting false accusations, especially of this type are grounds for immediate banning!

I'm pretty sure that's the last we'll be seeing of you.

Hustlin Entertainment · 04-17-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

I'm pretty sure that's the last we'll be seeing of you.

so? I'll just make a new nickname

escorpio · 04-17-2009, 07:36 PM

I bet the guy had seen this YouTube video where the driver was allowed to leave without a search after giving the BP shit for almost a half an hour and thought he would try the same thing.

RyuLion · 04-17-2009, 07:52 PM

children, children..

baddog · 04-17-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hustlin Entertainment

many of us leave and lead a better, healthier life...who wants to worry about state inspection stickers, state taxes on your car, home owners insurance, pedestrian insurance, random searches because of your ethnicity....I left that shit behind, way behind, i'm pretty worry free where i live, it's not the best in terms of living conditions but it improves bit by bit.. i'd rather live in 2nd rate country with more rights than a 1st rate with close to no rights, ever seen 'Idiocracy'? Now it's becoming a reality....

A second rate country that is an island. Sounds like prison to me.

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Originally Posted by escorpio

I bet the guy had seen this YouTube video where the driver was allowed to leave without a search after giving the BP shit for almost a half an hour and thought he would try the same thing.

I would have accidentally discharged my .44 after 10 minutes of that asshole.

brassmonkey · 04-17-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Obama = Bush
Get it through your stupid fucking skulls.

your fuckin crazy illegals have raped my state Arizona

RFremont · 04-17-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Yes he does. His right is to answer questions and agree to a search when he wants to enter into a state that requires this. If he refuses, he gets' the shit beat out of him. Next time he'll think twice about fucking with the border patrol.

Not only are you a stupid fuck but a dangerously ignorant one.

2MuchMark · 04-17-2009, 08:51 PM

While I agree people have to stand up for their rights, if a COP with GUN asks to search my car, I'm going to say YES SIR HELP YOURSELF.

Cops deal with gun-carrying crazies all day long. They're jumpy as hell and they don't need people making their jobs any harder.

What happened to this guy was not worth his protest. Maybe what he could have done is accept the search and then filed a complaint later. At least he wouldn't have been beaten up.

Porn Farmer · 04-17-2009, 09:08 PM

You sad fucking worthless hypocrite Splum.

If that had been a hippy getting a beat down from a border patrol agent you would have been cheering on the agent and not given a fuck about the hippys civil liberties.

Now you're feigning outrage because some mouthy piece of shit baptist preacher with his mouth all full of Jesus' cock gets his comeuppance. I hope I see more of this. You're all in favor of police brutality when it's those you don't like on the receiving end of the brutality but when a fellow piece of shit conservative gets beaten like a little bitch you act all outraged. Frankly bigoted Christians and conservatives in general need a taste of their own iron fist. I think it's hilarious. I hope conservatives live the next eight years - and beyond - in sheer terror. Nobody deserves it more than they do. Bring on the Christian persecution. I'll be leading the fucking charge.

Civil war?

You're too much of a pussy to fight for anything you fat lazy sack of shit. The day will never come when you pick up a gun and fight for anything. You're nothing but an internet coward with a big mouth. I hope the next beatdown is on your fasty white fat conservative American ass.

RFremont · 04-17-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

A second rate country that is an island. Sounds like prison to me.

Sort of like the golden cage you live in that people like you have allowed it to become.

RFremont · 04-17-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You are wrong. That is like saying the TSA doesn't have the right to search your bags before you fly somewhere, or that DUI checkpoints are illegal.

That statement goes to show how little you know about the law.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 04-17-2009, 09:25 PM

Sounds more like he's at an audition of some type. But the shirt makes him look legit.

venus · 04-17-2009, 10:48 PM

How many of you have driven that road? I have, lots of times, I have also driven the road to phoenix from Nogales Mexico. The pasture was in the wrong. The questions they ask, if they even ask you at all, what country are you a citizen of, did you bring anything back with you from mexico and then your on your way... the pasture said he refused to answer any of their questions, even before they brought the dog up.

they have a job to do, if he would have simply answered their question they would have waved him on... its not a big deal.....but he wanted to be an activist.

and about rights to have your car searched... any of you driven accross hoover dam in the last few years... they stop you long before you get to the dam and if your in a truck or pulling a trailer they will have you open it up so they can see what you have.

so ya this guy got what he asked for. The border patrol is there for a reason, let them do their job, it only takes a few seconds.... or get treated like a bitch...

baddog · 04-17-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RFremont

That statement goes to show how little you know about the law.

Educate us . . . please.

After Shock Media · 04-17-2009, 11:46 PM

I am just amazed that Obama has gotten border patrol agents their own special phone number that instantly rings him in such situations and that he has the time to oversee each call in.

BP: Sir, sorry to bother you. We have a dude not obeying us at a checkpoint.
Obama: Beat his ass.
BP: Beat his ass sir? What about his rights?
Obama: What part of beat his ass do you not understand. I do not have time for this shit, I am busy making a new world order, a north American union, socializing the US, covering up all of this 9/11 shit Bush left me, and dealing with a new puppy. BEAT HIS ASS!
BP: Yes sir.
Click.

Ethersync · 04-18-2009, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Sounds more like he's at an audition of some type. But the shirt makes him look legit.

It's legit...
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/ce...5uY8nZXHQ.cspx
http://mfile.akamai.com/25580/wmv/vo...08255.200k.asx
http://www.kpho.com/news/19207871/detail.html

Scott McD · 04-18-2009, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

100 retards.

Best part is, is someone stole Splum's car tonight, guess who he would call ?? Yup, that's right, the police...

Ethersync · 04-18-2009, 03:29 AM

From the ACLU

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Using data provided by the U.S. Census Bureau, the ACLU has determined that nearly 2/3 of the entire US population (197.4 million people) live within 100 miles of the US land and coastal borders.

The government is assuming extraordinary powers to stop and search individuals within this zone. This is not just about the border: This " Constitution-Free Zone" includes most of the nation's largest metropolitan areas.

We urge you to call on Congress to hold hearings on and pass legislation to end these egregious violations of Americans' civil rights.

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/a...nfreezone.html

Ethersync · 04-18-2009, 03:44 AM

More from the ACLU:

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Fact Sheet on U.S. "Constitution Free Zone"

The problem

Normally under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the American people are not generally subject to random and arbitrary stops and searches.
The border, however, has always been an exception. There, the longstanding view is that the normal rules do not apply. For example the authorities do not need a warrant or probable cause to conduct a ?routine search.?
But what is ?the border?? According to the government, it is a 100-mile wide strip that wraps around the ?external boundary? of the United States.
As a result of this claimed authority, individuals who are far away from the border, American citizens traveling from one place in America to another, are being stopped and harassed in ways that our Constitution does not permit.
Border Patrol has been setting up checkpoints inland ? on highways in states such as California, Texas and Arizona, and at ferry terminals in Washington State. Typically, the agents ask drivers and passengers about their citizenship. Unfortunately, our courts so far have permitted these kinds of checkpoints ? legally speaking, they are ?administrative? stops that are permitted only for the specific purpose of protecting the nation?s borders. They cannot become general drug-search or other law enforcement efforts.
However, these stops by Border Patrol agents are not remaining confined to that border security purpose. On the roads of California and elsewhere in the nation ? places far removed from the actual border ? agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on an everyday basis with absolutely no suspicion of wrongdoing.
The bottom line is that the extraordinary authorities that the government possesses at the border are spilling into regular American streets.

Much of U.S. population affected

Many Americans and Washington policymakers believe that this is a problem confined to the San Diego-Tijuana border or the dusty sands of Arizona or Texas, but these powers stretch far inland across the United States.
To calculate what proportion of the U.S. population is affected by these powers, the ACLU created a map and spreadsheet showing the population and population centers that lie within 100 miles of any ?external boundary? of the United States.
The population estimates were calculated by examining the most recent US census numbers for all counties within 100 miles of these borders. Using numbers from the Population Distribution Branch of the US Census Bureau, we were able to estimate both the total number and a state-by-state population breakdown. The custom map was created with help from a map expert at World Sites Atlas.
What we found is that fully TWO-THIRDS of the United States? population lives within this Constitution-free or Constitution-lite Zone. That?s 197.4 million people who live within 100 miles of the US land and coastal borders.
Nine of the top 10 largest metropolitan areas as determined by the 2000 census, fall within the Constitution-free Zone. (The only exception is #9, Dallas-Fort Worth.) Some states are considered to lie completely within the zone: Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont.

Part of a broader problem

The spread of border-search powers inland is part of a broad expansion of border powers with the potential to affect the lives of ordinary Americans who have never left their own country.
It coincides with the development of numerous border technologies, including watch list and database systems such as the Automated Targeting System (ATS) traveler risk assessment program, identity and tracking systems such as electronic (RFID) passports, the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI), and intrusive technological schemes such as the Secure Border Initiative Network (SBINet) or ?virtual border fence? and unmanned aerial vehicles (aka ?drone aircraft?).
This illegitimate expansion of the extraordinary powers of agents at the border is also part of a general trend we have seen over the past 8 years of an untrammeled, heedless expansion of police and national security powers without regard to the effect on innocent Americans.
This trend is also typical of the Bush Administration?s dragnet approach to law enforcement and national security. Instead of intelligent, competent, targeted efforts to stop terrorism, illegal immigration, and other crimes, what we have been seeing in area after area is an approach that turns us all into suspects. This approach seeks to sift through the entire U.S. population in the hopes of encountering the rare individual whom the authorities have a legitimate interest in.

If the current generation of Americans does not challenge this creeping (and sometimes galloping) expansion of federal powers over the individual through the rationale of ?border protection,? we are not doing our part to keep alive the rights and freedoms that we inherited, and will soon find that we have lost some or all of their right to go about their business, and travel around inside their own country, without interference from the authorities.

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/37293res20081022.html

kane · 04-18-2009, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

From the ACLU

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/a...nfreezone.html

So I just want to make sure I have this correctly. He stops at a border patrol checkpoint and refuses to answer their questions. Fine. That is his right. He cooperates, gets out of the car and they search the car (I imagine if he bought $200 worth of tile and was hauling it in a toyota corolla the trunk may have looked like it had something heavy in it, but I am just speculating here.) So they search the car and obviously they found nothing and you can argue day and night about why they searched it. We were not there and we are only getting his side of the story. So we can assume they has some reason to question him and were not just deciding the bust this particular guys balls.

So after the search and he is released he now is worried they are going to pull him over and jump him when he goes to the store or to work? Had this happened before? I think he is being a little dramatic for the camera here.

kane · 04-18-2009, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethersync

More from the ACLU:

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/37293res20081022.html

I guess in the end you have to make a decision. You can either just forget it and let anyone that wants in or knows the magic words come across the border or you can try to do something about stopping it. If you choose to do something about it eventually you are going to piss some people off and some people who are guilty of nothing are going to wrongly be searched and will not be happy about it.

It is not an easy situation. I personally would rather see strict border control and less illegals than a more relaxed border patrol and more illegals.

Maybe there is a way that you can have it both ways and we can stop the illegals from getting into the country while having minimal border patrol, but as off today that is not a reality.

Ethersync · 04-18-2009, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

I guess in the end you have to make a decision. You can either just forget it and let anyone that wants in or knows the magic words come across the border or you can try to do something about stopping it. If you choose to do something about it eventually you are going to piss some people off and some people who are guilty of nothing are going to wrongly be searched and will not be happy about it.

It is not an easy situation. I personally would rather see strict border control and less illegals than a more relaxed border patrol and more illegals.

Maybe there is a way that you can have it both ways and we can stop the illegals from getting into the country while having minimal border patrol, but as off today that is not a reality.

So you agree there should be a 100 mile wide "Constitution Free" border zone around the "external boundary" of the United States where citizens have no constitutional rights and they can be stopped, told to prove their citizenship and searched at any time and for any reason?

Dirty F · 04-18-2009, 04:16 AM

It's amazing how this thread started to become a fight from just post 4 on. Haha i love this place.

kane · 04-18-2009, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethersync

So you agree there should be a 100 mile wide "Constitution Free" border zone around the "external boundary" of the United States where citizens have no constitutional rights and they can be stopped, told to prove their citizenship and searched at any time and for any reason?

The 100 mile border I am not so much against. As I said in a previous post in this thread people sneak into this country in a lot of ways. Many of those ways have no border patrol, fences or checkpoints there to stop them. So they put those checkpoints and patrols in area they feel are going to get the largest amount of illegal traffic and use those as a "backup" of sorts. So I have no problem with the border patrol operating 100 miles away from a border.

As for constitutional free zone, I don't see it. I live in one of these constitutional free zones. I have my entire life. I have never been stopped. I don't know anyone who has. I have never so much as seen a border checkpoint. I'm sure much of it is because I don't live near a land border, just a water border, but I do live in an area that has a large population of illegals. The only cases I ever hear of people getting hassled are the ones who act a little strange and refuse to answer a few questions.

Take this guy in this new movie you posted. How would you have had the conversation go?
BP (border patrol):"Where you coming from?"
MAN:"Mexico, I was down there buying tile."
BP: "Are you a US citizen?"
MAN:"Yes."
BP: "Can I see your ID?"
MAN: "Sure?" and hands it to him.
BP:" Can I look in your trunk?"
MAN:"No."
BP:"Ok, have a nice day."

And the guy drives off.

Sound good?

If that is going to be how it works, then why bother having it? Anyone can get a decent looking fake ID on the internet.

These checkpoints have thousands of people come through them every day. These guys don't have time to just hassle people randomly because they are bored. My belief is that they see something they feel is a little suspicious and they talk to the person. If the person acts in a suspicious way then they ask to look in the car. If they are denied they then determine if they have reasonable cause to look. If they do, then they look. It is not a perfect system by any means, but I don't see an alternative if you want to stop the flood of illegals coming into this country.

How would you rather it work?

RFremont · 04-18-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Educate us . . . please.

Love to. When you enter an airport screening area, you agree to subject your possessions and yourself to search if you wish to board a plane. You can still refuse but then you will not be allowed to board the plane.

Driving is a priviledge and when you receive a license, you agree to obeying all traffic regulations. Observing and stopping at checkpoints are part of the traffic regulations. However, that does NOT mean you agree to search of your vehicle without probable cause and give up your 4th amendment right, which protects you against unreasonable search and seizure.

In the 2nd video, the one that you commented that you would have 'automatically discharged your .44', the driver knew the law and his rights, that's why he beat those brainless goon border patrols.

The winning argument, or rather the argument that would have held the most water, for the border patrol could be something like this:

Sir, 98% of the people passing through here roll down their windows and answer questions in a non-defensive manner. Your behavior is far different, therefore, it is raising suspicion and that gives us probable cause.

Instead, the idiot at one point said something like 'Well you could be a terrorist' which made him look like the fool that he is.

The fact is we need more people like this that understand the law and know their rights to counterbalance the agregious abuse of power that some law enforcement perpetuates. People like baddog really are puzzling because they blindly support this abuse of power and that erodes civil liberties, even their own.

As for the pastor, I don't have a definitive opinion as to what happened because he was unfortunate to not have had a camera. However, even if 80% of what he says is true, to cut up the guy's face like that is excessive force no matter how you slice it. And believe me, if the guy in the 2nd video didn't have a camera, that shit would have gone much differently.

Darkland · 04-18-2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

I guess in the end you have to make a decision. You can either just forget it and let anyone that wants in or knows the magic words come across the border or you can try to do something about stopping it. If you choose to do something about it eventually you are going to piss some people off and some people who are guilty of nothing are going to wrongly be searched and will not be happy about it.

It is not an easy situation. I personally would rather see strict border control and less illegals than a more relaxed border patrol and more illegals.

Maybe there is a way that you can have it both ways and we can stop the illegals from getting into the country while having minimal border patrol, but as off today that is not a reality.

This is the way the government wants you thinking, that they are protecting us from evil and they have now convinced many that that protection must come at the cost of wiping away our rights and civil liberties.

And Ethersync is right in his post and I already layed out the possible ramifications previously of where this is heading that I bet not a single person read or wanted to acknowledge:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkland

We have borders around our nation... Fine, I am on board with that, as well as any search that may occur.

But then it spreads to checkpoints for bordering states within our nation, which is already happening.

Then it spreads to checkpoints for bordering cities within the checkpoints of bordering states within our nations border checkpoints.

Then it spreads to checkpoints for sections of the cities within checkpoints of bordering cities within the checkpoints of bordering states within our nations border checkpoints.

Then it spreads to checkpoints within bordering neighborhoods within checkpoints for sections of the cities within checkpoints of bordering cities within the checkpoints of bordering states within our nations border checkpoints.

The ACLU is right, if this thing doesn't get stopped that map of theirs will go from:

to this:

and you won't be able to leave your neighborhood without presenting papers and submitting to a search. All in the name of your "safety".

Of course no one will read this either... Maybe we deserve whatever happens to us.

sortie · 04-18-2009, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hustlin Entertainment

I heard you photograph preteen girls under the age 15 nude, had them groped by some of your friends, crying all over the studio where you were shooting them at...is that true Mr. Dean Capture? Maybe you got some underage porno at:
1626 N Wilcox Ave
Hollywood, California
we should let the feds decide....

1626 N Wilcox Ave
Hollywood, California

Yeah, right next to the Wilcox police station. OK.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sa...ns-to&resnum=1

Go to street level view.

Get a grip.

04-17-2009, 02:45 PM	#103
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	Most cops are morally corrupt and abusive, and the process we use to create cops selects for sociopaths, then trains them in how to be better sociopaths. It's not really their fault, it's our fault, we turn our cops into assholes, and we allow sociopaths and partial-sociopaths to become cops, and we allow and secretly approve of their moral corruption. Now we have a pastor who knows what cops are all about. I bet last week he was all secretly happy we have sociopathic cops to protect him from all the spics and blacks. Now he's the spic. That same day thousands of people, certainly hundreds, were secretly beaten by our cops, and none of them will get any sympathy. Last edited by Bill8; 04-17-2009 at 02:46 PM..

04-17-2009, 03:34 PM	#106
cykoe6 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,499	It is sad to see all the people who defend random government search and seizures that are based on no probable cause. The right to be free from such searches is a fundamental right of the US Constitution. The fact that it has been ignored and abused as long as most of us have been alive does not change the fact that unreasonable searches and seizures (DUI checkpoints, drug checkpoints, etc.) are unconstitutional and an affront to basic civil rights. __________________ бабки, шлюхи, сила

04-17-2009, 04:58 PM	#116
PornMD Mainstream Businessman Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 9,291	It sucks, it wasn't right of them to do, he shouldn't be illegally searched like that assuming what he said about the dog was true, but for all the people that are so passionately saying that everyone saying he deserved it is supporting all of our rights being taken away, guess what? SO ARE YOU! Posting about this on an adult message forum and battling wits with pornographers does not equal doing something to actually make a difference and change the way the country is heading. You're just taking this up the ass like the rest of us but want to pretend you're our saviors or something. Get fucking real. Tell us something substantial you've done in response to this that may help counteract this type of police behavior and breach of our rights. Spouting off at a couple pornographers for saying the priest should have cooperated ain't doing the job. Here's the reality of the situation: - As he said, from moment 1 he wasn't answering their questions. So he was being completely uncooperative - which is his right, but COMMON SENSE dictates cops aren't going to like that. - The police could have decided "k he's not cooperating, oh well, let him through". If he gets caught later somewhere in the state with drugs or weapons, based on his behavior to them at the checkpoint, they probably lose their jobs. Or say he had that stuff and ended up harming or killing someone in the state? No cap wants to be the one responsible for that. - With that thought in mind, they use their techniques to try and force his cooperation - first by asking "nicely", then by saying the dog reacted to his trunk. Again, by use of COMMON SENSE, once they bring the dog into play which is textbook probable cause, the priest has to know that they aren't going to let him leave peacefully without searching his trunk. - I'm sure the priest knows that...the guy doesn't SEEM like he lives under a rock. So - his choice was take this last out for them to search his trunk so he can be on his way, or don't and at best be arrested peacefully, at worst get his ass beat. He made his choice - to somewhat martyr himself to say "fuck you" to the man. He saw they were going to break his windows and he didn't change his tune, so to me he knew the outcome of the choice he was making, and again only someone living under a rock for the past decade or two would have not understood what was going to happen with repeated uncooperation especially after the probable cause was introduced, whether they fudged the probable cause or not. That in no way means they should have done what they did, but this is probably the millionth case of police forceably getting their way over an uncooperative person. - All that said, we're taking his word for everything. We don't know if everything happened exactly as he said - we're taking 100% his word for it because OMG he's a pastor and put up a video on YouTube and pastors have never lied in the history of life ever and it's on YouTube so it must be true. - In the end, this is just another "Don't tase me bro!"...nobody except maybe the pastor himself will take any action because of this situation to change the fact that cops will do what they damn well please whenever they want. Heck, with all the rumors flying around now about the UIGEA probably being overturned this year, it's apparent that more Americans care about being able to gamble online than having personal rights, being protected instead of constantly SUSPECTed by cops, and feeling overall safe - because those online gamblers gathered together and have taken sufficient action to get their way whereas we let ourselves be raped. Pretty sad, eh? As for me? I cooperate with police and don't bitch about it, and whaddya know? I've never gotten the fuck beat out of me by police - what a coincidence! Thanks to internet and social media, we're already losing much of the privacy that the government is intruding on - what fucking difference does it make? I don't like the fact that I may get my ass beat by cops for practicing the rights afforded to me by the constitution, but yes, if given a choice of letting cops search my trunk (where they will find a bunch of uninteresting shit) or getting my ass beat, I choose letting them search my trunk. I would be more enraged about the situation if he had been cooperative and they didn't find anything in his trunk and they manufactured a reason to beat his ass and arrest him anyways, and I'm sure there's probably been situations like that that have occurred. __________________ Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up. Last edited by PornMD; 04-17-2009 at 05:01 PM..

04-17-2009, 05:30 PM	#120
escorpio I love to racism, bro! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA! USA! USA! Posts: 22,979	Sending an uncooperative asshat through a checkpoint would be a great way to distract from a load going through. I'm just saying. __________________ Unvaxxed, still alive.

04-17-2009, 07:36 PM	#126
escorpio I love to racism, bro! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA! USA! USA! Posts: 22,979	I bet the guy had seen this YouTube video where the driver was allowed to leave without a search after giving the BP shit for almost a half an hour and thought he would try the same thing. __________________ Unvaxxed, still alive.

04-17-2009, 07:52 PM	#127
RyuLion ClubDomCash.com Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 32,223	children, children.. __________________ Adult Biz Consultant A tech head since 1995

04-17-2009, 08:51 PM	#131
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,996	While I agree people have to stand up for their rights, if a COP with GUN asks to search my car, I'm going to say YES SIR HELP YOURSELF. Cops deal with gun-carrying crazies all day long. They're jumpy as hell and they don't need people making their jobs any harder. What happened to this guy was not worth his protest. Maybe what he could have done is accept the search and then filed a complaint later. At least he wouldn't have been beaten up. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net

04-17-2009, 09:08 PM	#132
Porn Farmer Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 928	You sad fucking worthless hypocrite Splum. If that had been a hippy getting a beat down from a border patrol agent you would have been cheering on the agent and not given a fuck about the hippys civil liberties. Now you're feigning outrage because some mouthy piece of shit baptist preacher with his mouth all full of Jesus' cock gets his comeuppance. I hope I see more of this. You're all in favor of police brutality when it's those you don't like on the receiving end of the brutality but when a fellow piece of shit conservative gets beaten like a little bitch you act all outraged. Frankly bigoted Christians and conservatives in general need a taste of their own iron fist. I think it's hilarious. I hope conservatives live the next eight years - and beyond - in sheer terror. Nobody deserves it more than they do. Bring on the Christian persecution. I'll be leading the fucking charge. Civil war? You're too much of a pussy to fight for anything you fat lazy sack of shit. The day will never come when you pick up a gun and fight for anything. You're nothing but an internet coward with a big mouth. I hope the next beatdown is on your fasty white fat conservative American ass. Last edited by Porn Farmer; 04-17-2009 at 09:09 PM..

04-17-2009, 09:25 PM	#135
Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	Sounds more like he's at an audition of some type. But the shirt makes him look legit. __________________ Support a Good Cause

04-17-2009, 10:48 PM	#136
venus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 3,112	How many of you have driven that road? I have, lots of times, I have also driven the road to phoenix from Nogales Mexico. The pasture was in the wrong. The questions they ask, if they even ask you at all, what country are you a citizen of, did you bring anything back with you from mexico and then your on your way... the pasture said he refused to answer any of their questions, even before they brought the dog up. they have a job to do, if he would have simply answered their question they would have waved him on... its not a big deal.....but he wanted to be an activist. and about rights to have your car searched... any of you driven accross hoover dam in the last few years... they stop you long before you get to the dam and if your in a truck or pulling a trailer they will have you open it up so they can see what you have. so ya this guy got what he asked for. The border patrol is there for a reason, let them do their job, it only takes a few seconds.... or get treated like a bitch... __________________ Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

04-17-2009, 11:46 PM	#138
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I am just amazed that Obama has gotten border patrol agents their own special phone number that instantly rings him in such situations and that he has the time to oversee each call in. BP: Sir, sorry to bother you. We have a dude not obeying us at a checkpoint. Obama: Beat his ass. BP: Beat his ass sir? What about his rights? Obama: What part of beat his ass do you not understand. I do not have time for this shit, I am busy making a new world order, a north American union, socializing the US, covering up all of this 9/11 shit Bush left me, and dealing with a new puppy. BEAT HIS ASS! BP: Yes sir. Click. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

04-18-2009, 04:16 AM	#146
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	It's amazing how this thread started to become a fight from just post 4 on. Haha i love this place.