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Old 07-22-2009, 01:12 AM   #101
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By the way, I'm pretty sure all it would take is a court order to find out without a doubt who is behind all of those sites. That's not that difficult to get....
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:15 AM   #102
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Content flatlines in value as soon as you sell it non-exclusively. Sure you might get 10k in one day, but after that you ability to make money from that content again is almost nil.

More producers need to get that through their heads. Not that the tubes sites are paying for the videos they post anyways.
Hey Jay, good to see you back in action...

I understand that the value of content goes down once it is labeled as "non-exclusive", however, the practice until recently has been that the content was licensed for use in Members areas, with only a certain limited amount of content being authorized for traffic generating purposes (15-20 pix or 1-2 minutes of video).

A person/company that made their money back several times from the content off their own DVDs/sites, and then resells/licenses their content to other webmasters (for limited, paid member only use), should not then bargain basement their content to the rip-off tube/torrents sites, which in effect helps to legitimize their otherwise illegal operations, as well as devalues their content to other people whom only purchased the content since they understood that there was a level playing field, and the bulk of the content could only be displayed in designated Members areas.

If a 3rd party content producer thinks that they can sell content to pirate tube and torrents sites, and thus undermining the deals that they previously did with legit webmasters, and expect the status quo to prevail, then they are in for a rude awakening.

If they think there is any future in that business model, since legit purchasers of 3rd party content will quit buying from them, and once one of the pirates posts it on their site, all of the other would-be pirate clients will simply leech off of the original pirate site.

Yet another adult business model doomed to failure...

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Old 07-22-2009, 01:38 AM   #103
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:36 AM   #104
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ask JFK. He has pictures of it on FUBAR but he wasn't there..
I was there to take pics of the seminars - roundtables, but did not actually sit down and listen to what was said, it was in russian. I rarely sit down and listen to any conference, mainly because its the same old, same old, rehashed 10 ways from centre
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:07 AM   #105
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I was there to take pics of the seminars - roundtables, but did not actually sit down and listen to what was said, it was in russian. I rarely sit down and listen to any conference, mainly because its the same old, same old, rehashed 10 ways from centre


Exactly why most shooters don't get aroused/erections when shooting - they are too busy focusing on the work...

Now, if you get aroused during post-production, then you know that you have gold!!!

Actually, if you are experienced, you generally know it is good when you are shooting it, but you are too preoccupied to acknowledge it, in order to ensure that you have the technical aspects straight as well....

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Old 07-22-2009, 03:16 AM   #106
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This is an old argument. The bottom line is DMCA laws need to change to make site owners responsible for the stolen content on their site, no matter what, whether a user uploaded it or not. I doubt that will happen though. So although "illegal tubes" are unethical, they still have the law on their side and that's all they need to stay in business.
The DMCA already does that. Issue a complaint to the isp (usually the owner of the ip block), if the content is still online after several days, follow-up with the isp. If it remains online for more than a couple of weeks, contact your lawyer, and have them file suit against the ISP. However, if the user follows a counter-dmca notice, then they need to provide their address & contact information. At that point, the isp is declared irresponsible for the accessibility of the content, and you follow suit against the owner of the site. If the ISP doesn't get back to you after a couple of weeks, you have a case against the isp.

Remember, porn & mp3s aren't the only thing that the DMCA protects. If some dickhead felt like copy and pasting every word & page from a book onto a thread in this forum, that'd be a dmca violation too.

Doesn't stop there. Did you know that the people who operate the Eiffel tower hold a copyright that prohibits even amateur photographers from publishing photos taken of the eiffel tower at night while it's lights are on? Go read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_...pyright_claims

Those people could legally DMCA anyone in the united states for publishing a photo they took themselves.
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:27 AM   #107
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Sweet! I just saw my first animal porn and cum swapping... never really cared to buy that shit but here they have it for free!
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:34 AM   #108
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I won't post the links here because I don't want to link GFY and this shit, but seems like they are into some rape porn as well.

passedoutpussy dot com = moviebox = brazzers

http://www.passedoutpussy dot com/girls/passedoutpussy404.jpg
http://www.passedoutpussy dot com/girls/passedoutpussy559.jpg

visa and mastercard wouldn't be happy about this - brazzers.com, moviebox.com, sexinyourcity.com, and pornhub.com

when did it become ok to process RAPE sites?
This is not good at all

Sad to see this kind of shit...
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This is not good at all

Sad to see this kind of shit...
Speaking as someone who had a rape kink between the ages of 17 and 20, The chances that the video is depicting a legitimate rape is nearly impossible. Additionally, 5/6 of the girls I've dated during the past 2 years have all told me about their rape fantasies, and I role played that fantasy with 4 of them. Really, it's not a big deal. It's extremely common.

And the whole "visa and mastercard wouldn't be happy about this" statement is stupid too. Do you think visa and mastercard would be happy about their cards being used to buy a subscription to a site with a video showing 5 guys draining their load in the ass of a 19 year old thai girl who then pushes the combined load into a martini glass that the camera man pours into her mouth as she chokes herself? As long as the porn is legal, and they don't give a shit.

I've bought lube & sounds to shove down my urethra using my visa card. Nobody's called me to tell me they're revoking my membership yet.
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:03 AM   #110
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You know if you really wanted to fuck these guys you could also send reports to google about all of the paid links they are buying. You can track them easily:

http://www.google.com/search?q=link%...ient=firefox-a

You can report links by being logged in to google:
www.google.com/webmasters/
But then the same could be done about your own link trading. Unless you use nofollow which you obviously dont you are also breaking the guidelines, like everybody else on this forum. Reporting that shit to google is pathetic, its not only brazzers buying the links who could be damaged but regular webmasters selling them you are trying to fuck up...
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back with a bang! thanks for the scoop jay.
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:45 AM   #113
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as the tube business model seem to work,
why doesnt anyone:
1. get a tube script
2. signup for brazzers paysites
3. download their updates every day and put it on your own tube

now, keep it only brazzers content to make it really sting.
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its a shame im not allowed in canada. i'd gladly go up there and sort things out.
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:56 AM   #115
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as the tube business model seem to work,
why doesnt anyone:
1. get a tube script
2. signup for brazzers paysites
3. download their updates every day and put it on your own tube

now, keep it only brazzers content to make it really sting.
Well their content is on rapidshare already one way or another.
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Old 07-22-2009, 05:21 AM   #116
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Old 07-22-2009, 05:44 AM   #117
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Joe, your content, which you have licensed and resold to other webmasters (including myself), is all over practically every large tube site:

KeezMovies (purportedly owned by, or in cahoots with Brazzers) - Added 7 months ago (37,000+ views - Miko Sinz in your bedroom sucking your dick):

http://www.keezmovies.com/432331

Pornhub - Page 1 under "Asian" (supposedly also owned by Brazzers):

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...9231b10c726488

Uploaded 1 Year Ago (480,000+ views)

Tube8 - Uploaded 7 months ago (336,000+ views):

http://www.tube8.com/asian/leandra-lee/80796/

RedTube - Over 1.7 million views:

http://www.redtube.com/20407


Sure wish you would do something about this (unless you condone it), since it is devaluing the thousands of dollars worth of content which I licensed from you.

It only took a few minutes for me to find these videos which have been online 6+ months and have been cumulatively viewed by millions for free.

I find it hard to believe that you are unaware...

I sure hope you are trying to contact someone from KeezMovies to remove your content, instead of selling/licensing them your content (since you already made back your investment on that product), because you know they will repost it to surfers for free (in hopes of upsells to the advertisers/affiliate links on their site), while they ruin the value of your content for the people like myself whom licensed your content as bonus content for their Members area.

So which is it?

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It doesn't seem like it would make financial sense to cater to your desires...It's not like you built a site around that content...It's just fluff material, which gets old as all content does...Why would he go through the hassle and expense of getting them to remove content that he already sold when instead, he can just recycle his old content and just sell it to them?

So he's going to abandon that whole business model because you think that your fluff bonus material is being devalued?.....If he does, he's a fool......

Fuck it....embed some of those videos off of the tube sites in your members area....
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Old 07-22-2009, 05:51 AM   #118
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This is true. However, what most people fail to realize is that this is a precedent set in Viacom vs. Google and just because Google can get away with using DMCA to shield itself against punitive damages does not necessarily mean that some fucktard running a porn tube can get away with it also. Somebody just needs to step up to the fucking plate.

In addition, the judge in Viacom vs. Google did not take statutory damages off the table, that has yet to be determined. No precedent has been set, which means that program owners could still sue for statutory damages. The only reason this shit is still legal is because no one is fighting to make it illegal. Yes, what they are doing is perfectly legal at the moment, but let's call a fucking spade a spade. What they are doing is exploiting a legal loophole to rob this industry blind so they can line their pockets.
you do realize that viacom hasn't yet gone thru all the evidence yet
they still could prove that youtube employees themselves uploaded the content.

Of course it is possible that the evidence will prove that viacom employees or agents uploaded the content, which under the DMCA would make viacom responsible for 100% of the legal expenses of youtube including any business loses due to the bad publicity.

they are willing to risk a lot of money to try and CHANGE the law.
personally i think it is stupid since it so easy to exploit the traffic source if you know how.
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nice, i thought 1:2000+ on bdsm/fetish can't get any worse...
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It doesn't seem like it would make financial sense to cater to your desires...It's not like you built a site around that content...It's just fluff material, which gets old as all content does...Why would he go through the hassle and expense of getting them to remove content that he already sold when instead, he can just recycle his old content and just sell it to them?

So he's going to abandon that whole business model because you think that your fluff bonus material is being devalued?.....If he does, he's a fool......

Fuck it....embed some of those videos off of the tube sites in your members area....
or setup a private tracker and upsell a bunch of dating/live chat sites, ama contract was screwed up enough that he actually licienced that behaviour.
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Hey Jay, good to see you back in action...

I understand that the value of content goes down once it is labeled as "non-exclusive", however, the practice until recently has been that the content was licensed for use in Members areas, with only a certain limited amount of content being authorized for traffic generating purposes (15-20 pix or 1-2 minutes of video).

A person/company that made their money back several times from the content off their own DVDs/sites, and then resells/licenses their content to other webmasters (for limited, paid member only use), should not then bargain basement their content to the rip-off tube/torrents sites, which in effect helps to legitimize their otherwise illegal operations, as well as devalues their content to other people whom only purchased the content since they understood that there was a level playing field, and the bulk of the content could only be displayed in designated Members areas.

If a 3rd party content producer thinks that they can sell content to pirate tube and torrents sites, and thus undermining the deals that they previously did with legit webmasters, and expect the status quo to prevail, then they are in for a rude awakening.

If they think there is any future in that business model, since legit purchasers of 3rd party content will quit buying from them, and once one of the pirates posts it on their site, all of the other would-be pirate clients will simply leech off of the original pirate site.

Yet another adult business model doomed to failure...

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this is exactly why I don't sell to tube sites although i could have made some money that way. but i would have screwed up my future business. same applies to "cheap blowout sales" btw
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anyone notice the quote at the top of extremetube now?

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anyone notice the quote at the top of extremetube now?

lol
wow, and a slap in the face to top it off.
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Another new affiliate program from brazzers:
http://affiliates.ireel.com/
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lol

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Brazzers has been sticking it to the industry for years now and that's cos of all the idiots who cheerfully bend over and... adapt
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Where did Polisharistocrat go?
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Does this surprise you too??
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lol that is just a smack in the face. How many god damn surfers know what GFY is anyone.. the mother fuckers are just rubbing it in that they are profiting from jacking everyone elses content.
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Off to fill his wine glass I would imagine.



Why do you ask?
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Why do you ask?
Just havent seen him post since I came back from my traveling. He was one of brazzers bigest fans, and would be interesting to see his view on this, since he was aware of the project all along
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Speaking as someone who had a rape kink between the ages of 17 and 20, The chances that the video is depicting a legitimate rape is nearly impossible. Additionally, 5/6 of the girls I've dated during the past 2 years have all told me about their rape fantasies, and I role played that fantasy with 4 of them. Really, it's not a big deal. It's extremely common.

And the whole "visa and mastercard wouldn't be happy about this" statement is stupid too. Do you think visa and mastercard would be happy about their cards being used to buy a subscription to a site with a video showing 5 guys draining their load in the ass of a 19 year old thai girl who then pushes the combined load into a martini glass that the camera man pours into her mouth as she chokes herself? As long as the porn is legal, and they don't give a shit.

I've bought lube & sounds to shove down my urethra using my visa card. Nobody's called me to tell me they're revoking my membership yet.

You're 1000% wrong and it's obvious you've never dealt with a merchant account bank. The depiction of an illegal activity is just as bad as the activity itself, especially when you're explicit about it. There's no difference in the eyes when you are depicting an illegal activity. It would be no different if you did a site with all legal girls who look underage and then advertise about how these girls look so young and make it obvious you're trying to hit the kiddy porn angle, same with beastiality - showing a girl on a horse riding around, and then advertising how all these girls are fucking the horse even if it's not actually true. Fake rape is in the exact same category.

And I agree, many people have a rape fantasy - visa and MC dont care. You can argue back that I'm wrong, but I am telling you, YOU ARE WRONG, and thats final. Faking rape is not acceptable to Visa and MC. There is a strict policy against anything that looks nonconsensual, it can end in total termination and being put out of business.

Stop pretending like you know, because it's clear you don't know. Pick up the phone and call the people who bank in our industry, tell them you want to do a fake rape site - see what they say.

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Old 07-22-2009, 09:41 AM   #135
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LOL...that describes TTBoy to a tee.

LOL ... i agree!!

I had a nice convo with him recently ... sweet guy, but he is very "right is right"!

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I can't wait for the day that Stephanie and hahahahahahaha rip off TT Boy for some cash...

First I will stop by JM's office and borrow the "Sunshine Bat" from Jeff, then I will buy a plane ticket to Montreal and patiently await Phil's arrival, I will hand him the "Sunshine Bat" and then I will sit back and enjoy the show. I shall videotape the whole thing, which I will then burn to DVD and send copies to everyone on GFY. We will then upload the video to every tube site known to man, seed it on all the torrent sites and flood rapidshare with the footage.

It will be on YouTube and we'll make animated gifs for ytmnd.com and possibly, yes, we will make a facebook cause dedicated to glorifying the footage along with a tube site dedicated to user-generated mashups of those two little squirrel-dicks getting their faces caved in by TT! Oh what a glorious day!

TT Boy > a bunch of pussy ass foosball players and thieves.
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WTF...you can't say the owner of Brazzers name? WTF? GFY showin' it's BRO card or what?
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Hidden cross sales, prechecked cross sales, hidden prechecked cross sales, tubes, tgps, forums, torrents, chicken little and the virgin mary... what do they all have in common?
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tube sites steal our traffic/money!!!!!!!!
The first tube guys should have been eliminated immediately.

It's still not too late for some lessons to be learned...
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:24 AM   #140
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WTF...you can't say the owner of Brazzers name? WTF? GFY showin' it's BRO card or what?
If you go here and view/source their whole staff is listed, including pictures.
http://www.mansef.com/?t=staff
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What is/was the quote? Can't see it on my end.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:25 AM   #142
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All I can say is this: business people in da bizness



What about building a legimated real long term business for ones in a lifetime....

cockroacher bizness plans
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You're 1000% wrong and it's obvious you've never dealt with a merchant account bank. The depiction of an illegal activity is just as bad as the activity itself, especially when you're explicit about it. There's no difference in the eyes when you are depicting an illegal activity. It would be no different if you did a site with all legal girls who look underage and then advertise about how these girls look so young and make it obvious you're trying to hit the kiddy porn angle, same with beastiality - showing a girl on a horse riding around, and then advertising how all these girls are fucking the horse even if it's not actually true. Fake rape is in the exact same category.

And I agree, many people have a rape fantasy - visa and MC dont care. You can argue back that I'm wrong, but I am telling you, YOU ARE WRONG, and thats final. Faking rape is not acceptable to Visa and MC. There is a strict policy against anything that looks nonconsensual, it can end in total termination and being put out of business.

Stop pretending like you know, because it's clear you don't know. Pick up the phone and call the people who bank in our industry, tell them you want to do a fake rape site - see what they say.
Thanks for saying that so I didn't have to.
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Looks like they are out to fuck up niche traffic for everyone with a Fetish porn tube:
www.extremetube.com

Fun, fun.
You of all people shouldn't complain. Your brothers at AFF bought Zango traffic on your own domain as well as thousands of other webmasters and you still promote them.
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You of all people shouldn't complain. Your brothers at AFF bought Zango traffic on your own domain as well as thousands of other webmasters and you still promote them.
Like I've said a million times before: It is impossible to avoid doing business with everyone you don't agree with something they are doing. Everyone does something you don't agree with. If you were a big crusader, you'd be stuck doing business with a few mom and pop operations and may feel good because you are :doing the right thing". but making no sales.



Fuck it, I'm gonna start a rape site too!
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If you go here and view/source their whole staff is listed, including pictures.
http://www.mansef.com/?t=staff
Looks like all the cockroaches just went scurrying off the page. Nothing there now
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that's the only thing that would work but nobody has the nads to do it. old school porn biz operated that way from what I've read.
Maybe some of the old school brick and mortar mob affiliated guys, but if you think about it the Brazzers guys have already shown much more of a propensity to handle biz in that matter than any of the windbags on here. They already seem to operate with an organized crime mentality and it doesn't appear that anyone's tough talk is frightening them too much...
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Looks like all the cockroaches just went scurrying off the page. Nothing there now
It's there right after
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