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That's a short form. They were giving those out to anybody that asked for one during the time Obama was born there. What everyone wants to see it the LONG FORM which lists his parents.

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if they got the Long form, there would be something wrong with that too.

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You're still arguing over this word "citizen" and you don't even really know what it means. You missed exactly what I said. He made them "citizens" of the District of Columbia not the "United States". Just like they made all the people of the US citizens of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (the corporation) which is located within the District of Columbia. This is how they are able to force "law" > statues on the citizenry and I might add under military rule.


No even the UN says that a foreign born cannot govern the citizens. It goes against all basic laws of the land. Would you like to Saddam or Osama child coming to the US and becoming President? Or how about a leader of China? Once you make the exception to the rule you open the door for anything. There's a reason for things being done a certain way.

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Hmm...his parents names are listed on that certificate.

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Yes, I know you think it means slave... it doesn't.


Obama's Mom is American - Only one has to be, he doesn't even have to be born here, and pre1930 he REALLY didn't have to be born here...

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Aren't all "citizens" of the US slaves anyway? So why do you care what the definition is. A slave is still a slave no matter what he calls himself.

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And Obama's father was a British citizen at the time of his birth. Therefore his citizenship is passed on by his "father" at the time he was born.

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No it doesn't mean slave.. But that's what they think of their "citizens" In reality it means employee. This is how they are able to make you pay income tax.

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Technically yes we are all debt slaves to the international bankers via their fiat currency. Yes we were all pledged as collateral to the debt which they created while they printed off money. This is history. It's not a theory. It's fact. All lawful money has been removed from circulation. In 1933 Roosevelt seized the people's gold and sold it off to the Pope (who believes he owns all land) via China and gave us negotiable instruments and fiat currency. Since 1933 the US Government has been in bankruptcy. As have most other nations. The US government has been borrowing against our birth certificates to fund the government since 1921. This is all facts. It can't be argued.

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Yes, the Original law said fathers, however NO law's included Women or Mom's, she wasn't a citizen to them. AND the Father did not have to be a citizen... Damn! However that changed, before the 1930's.

Now under current legal law and the one when he was born, either Mom OR Dad could be a citizen and as long as you returned, you were a natural born citizen.


Great, were all equal citizens, slaves, employees, we work for the man... we pay income tax, tax that we can see all around us that has made our Country great, built bridges, roads, safety, transportation systems and so much more than I can list... oh oh oh, those evil taxes, making our Country 3rd world like... slaved employees making us work for nothing....

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How did most people get ot the US? They were bonded slaves.. They made everyone bonded slaves via their birth certificates.

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Thank god, cause shit sucked before the made fake money... and I love my fake wealth, my house is grand, my car is great, big tv, giant super monitors... being fake I can make more and more and more, screw with the system, learn the real secrets.. and I can buy gold, property, invest it, and so on.

Or I can live in a cave or a 3rd world Country and farm for my food, live tax free, poor as shit, and pretend my life is great because of free of the banking system.

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It also gave us 12 trillion dollars in debt and growing which we will never be able to repay. When the Federal Reserve was created we only owed $1 million. That exploded over the next 20 years to $100 million in gold. Which the United States was then declared bankrupt and became the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

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The US is already bankrupt, it makes no difference today what the debt is at.. it being "fake" they can just make the balance ZERO anytime they want.

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Why would they want to do that? That would make you free from their power.. You would have to be an idiot to think that's going to happen without force.

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The UN has no say over the U.S. Constitution or U.S. law.

This whole citizenship argument is just silly.

It there was any real doubt, the repubs would be fighting it tooth & nail.. and Chaney & parrot daughter would be at the head of the line with their bullshit hypocracy..

Just like him and other repubs bitching about Obama waiting 72 hours to respond to the Christmas bombing attempt.. even though Bush waited a week to respond to the shoe bomber..

Chaney & daughter want nothing more than to ruin the guy, so the birth deal, if there was any substance to it, would be spewing from their mouths night & day..

TheDoc

Free of what power?

If you feel the U.S. Gov or some powers, holds you back from doing exactly what you want, then move.. live your life how you want, make gold, create your own bank...

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I feel the same way. I have done quiet well for myself as a "slave". I also agree about paying taxes. I actually could have paid less in taxes over the years if I would have taken legal advantage of our tax system...but I prefered to pay taxes as it is taxes that have made our country great in infrastructure and via our military a super power. What ever our government has done they have gotten more right than wrong. I am a proud American "slave"...thank you very much.

BTW...OnWebCam...you did not respond...but the parents of the President are listed on the birth certificate.

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lmao You want to bet? Most people are oblivious to the FACT that were are currently under military rule and have been for many years.

Once these "lawmakers" figure out they are playing a part in treasonous acts and crimes against humanity among many other things you can very well bet they aren't going to pursue shit because they themselves can be charged and beheaded along with the other conspirators. All they want to do is keep the game alive so they can get paid and keep their heads out of the guillotine

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Really? In what ways?

For some reason I don't think you have ever seen a Military controlled Country let alone ever stepped foot in one... I have, it looks nothing like any part of America.


I can only dream of the day Bush and Chaney are put on trial for war crimes.

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Is there no right wing commonplace you don't regurgitate as if you were being all original and clever?

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He is strictly a copy and paste expert from all of the nut case sites he can find...nothing original from him.

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Maybe Obama is shedding the chains of oppression by not showing you his long form original birth certificate personally.

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It is a FACT that we are and have been under military rule. This is why every President declares a National Emergency. In 1933 Roosevelt declared all of the citizens of the US enemies of the State due to what they were going to do which was seize all the gold and begin to rule by maritime/admiralty colorable law. This is their military rule.


Bush and Cheney will never be tried because the people who could bring them to justice are just as guilty of the same crimes. Including Obama. He's doing all the same things. Yemen and Pakistan anyone?

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I like all the photos of the "COPY" of his birth cert, LOL

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Once again two different birth certificates for a reason..

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morons..

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God this is stupid. What nationality is Obama's mother? AMERICAN. Case closed. Sorry if one of your parents is natural born American so are you. LOGIC dictates that.

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By the way, I don't mean that in a I'm a douche calling you names. Trying to belittle you.

I mean that in, I believe the two of you are actual morons, in the literal sense by definition.

So I'm not calling you names. I'm literally saying, you are morons.

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Yemen should have been dealt with in 2000 after the bombing of the USS Cole.

Pakistan just after 9/11.

Finally fighting where we should have been all along.

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You're the one who keeps posting a picture of a birth certificate and you don't even know what it is, means, or why there are two different types of them. There is a reason. They don't just do it for the hell of it..

I will give you one thing that birth certificate if real does mean something but it doesn't mean what you might think.

Here's another little piece of factual history.. Did you know that they passed the Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act in 1921 but do to it being so controversial (you might want to ask yourself why) they let it expire in 1929.. Hmmm what else happened in 1929.. Now since there is no law that one must have a birth certificate then why is it that they even go as far as to PAY hospitals to make sure each and every child gets one.. There must be some motivation behind it.. I wonder what that may be..

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I like debating with people with limited vocabularies, makes it easy, LOL

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think about that

Vendzilla

actually, would have been better if we pull out and just use the oil we have and sell it to the other countries that buy from the middle east, then they would attacking us with rocks, instead of making nukes, we have enough oil for decades, giving us pleanty of time to develope better solutions for energy. We would better off for sure

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

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You think you know.. But you have no idea..

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At least we can agree on something.

Except the "You go to war I'll stay here part being associated with just the Republicans. Obama and the Democrats are doing all of the same things.. There is no difference. Just the illusion of a difference.

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You're not debating anything as there isn't anything to debate. Obama is a citizen of the United States. Now, if you had some talking points or something and some valid points to bring into this. Then we might have a debate. Instead, you're completely ignoring all the facts and proof of the REALITY around you. You are grasping at the smallest irrelevant little details of a much larger picture.

Think, for just one minute. I mean really slow down, and think for just one minute. Like, stop - breath - and try to take in this for just a minute.

You want a birth certificate. So one is provided.

You claim Obama just needs to show the world his birth cert and it will qualm your fears. It is on public display, and made available online.

You claim that isn't good enough and it could be faked (or whatever the fuck your insane conspiracy theory is). So the United States Congress, The Governor of Hawaii, and the Hawaii Hospital states it is a valid birth cert and Obama is a citizen.

That still isn't good enough, and you want the "original" "long" birth cert.

Do you not get it? How much further does it have to go? You're fucking sitting there saying "just show us the long cert and it'll be proof enough". When we've already had to deal with this idiocy many times over! The proof has already been brought to the table. You simply claim it as not good enough every damn time and just want more.

You're a moron.

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ALL of Obama's records are sealed. His birth certificate is just part of the concealment. He has something to hide. There is no doubt about that. If there wasn't then why does he go through so much trouble in keeping it sealed? It's that simple.. The only thing they/he have provided is easily obtained. All you need is once person in the right place and problem solved.. There doesn't need to be some "grand conspiracy" 1 person is all it takes.

What the long form shows is the parents signatures, doctors signatures among other things. The above is just a "corporate citizen" document which as I said before were given out like candy during that time.

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You're really starting to sound like one of those Lyndon LaRouche borderline schizophrenic whack jobs that hang out in front of Post Offices espousing all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories...

So, what group(s) exactly do you align with politically, or whom would you support for President?

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I'm stating facts. It's all there to find for yourself. They just don't teach these things for obvious reasons.

Who do I support? Ron Paul is about the only person I could see myself supporting at this time but he likely isn't going to run again. So it looks like we'll get stuck with more of the same for the foreseeable future unfortunately. Next years elections will be landslide republican and they'll continue on the destructive path. Hopefully by 2012 most Americans will see both sides for what they are and maybe a 3rd party can take over. That is if we make it that far before all hell breaks loose.

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I've already put in an application with FEMA to be a death camp prison guard. I hope they let me man the gas chambers. *crosses fingers*