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12clicks · 10-03-2011, 11:01 AM

American start ups don't go overseas to start up.
successful companies are the ones everyone is railing about taking jobs and money overseas and that is really about taxes and regulation.
as I've said before, you want GE, Google, etc to keep their jobs and business in the US, make the corp. tax rate zero. Remove their reason for leaving. The difference between skilled labor in the US and skilled labor somewhere else isn't as large as you imagine. unskilled, sure but do we really want to fight for unskilled jobs?

crockett · 10-03-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

American start ups don't go overseas to start up.
successful companies are the ones everyone is railing about taking jobs and money overseas and that is really about taxes and regulation.
as I've said before, you want GE, Google, etc to keep their jobs and business in the US, make the corp. tax rate zero. Remove their reason for leaving. The difference between skilled labor in the US and skilled labor somewhere else isn't as large as you imagine. unskilled, sure but do we really want to fight for unskilled jobs?

They don't go over seas, but they have to compete with cheap Chinese imports. This is the same as sending the jobs over seas, because if you can't start the biz, here in the US and compete with products from China then the jobs are not created in the US and are still in China.

As far as taxes go.. you want 0% taxes but who do you plan to have paying for the govt? You think the guy working at Google or GE should have to pay 100% of the tax burden? Should that guy working at ZXY inc making 10.hr not on welfare but trying to scrape by should pay 100% of the taxes while Google & GE pays none?

Is that really fair?

boneprone · 10-03-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I mean what are they protesting exactly?

You aren't from America are you??
They aren't protesting.. They are exercising their 1st Amendment rights..

You don't need a valid reason to protest.. You just do it. Cause you can..
That's why its great here. And that's what they are doing. Anyone can do it. You don't really need a reason just do it cause you can and cause its fun and cause its fucking American.

With that said I should go out there cause my stocks are down 10%..
Fucking rich people.

boneprone · 10-03-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

As far as taxes go.. you want 0% taxes but who do you plan to have paying for the govt? You think the guy working at Google or GE should have to pay 100% of the tax burden? Should that guy working at ZXY inc making 10.hr not on welfare but trying to scrape by should pay 100% of the taxes while Google & GE pays none?

Is that really fair?

I don't want 0% taxes. I like taxes. Taxes are good. They help form our society and make it great. But I do agree the guy working at google or GE should have to pay the tax burden yes. Same with the guy making 10 bucks an hour.. Everyone should.

Only I with my awesome write offs and loopholes should not have to pay.
I think its fair.. I create jobs. Granted they aren't in the USA but people outside the USA are people too and I use my money for good things. Like my cars, expensive doors for my home, and trips.

I think its owed to me for the 4 hours a week of work I actually do.

So yes, it is fair. Ill put a 20 in the salvation army can during christmas so before you speak or judge me don't.

Best-In-BC · 10-03-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

You aren't from America are you??
They aren't protesting.. They are exercising their 1st Amendment rights..

You don't need a valid reason to protest.. You just do it. Cause you can..
That's why its great here. And that's what they are doing. Anyone can do it. You don't really need a reason just do it cause you can and cause its fun and cause its fucking American.

With that said I should go out there cause my stocks are down 10%..
Fucking rich people.

All Hail Boneprone

12clicks · 10-03-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

They don't go over seas, but they have to compete with cheap Chinese imports. This is the same as sending the jobs over seas, because if you can't start the biz, here in the US and compete with products from China then the jobs are not created in the US and are still in China.

As far as taxes go.. you want 0% taxes but who do you plan to have paying for the govt? You think the guy working at Google or GE should have to pay 100% of the tax burden? Should that guy working at ZXY inc making 10.hr not on welfare but trying to scrape by should pay 100% of the taxes while Google & GE pays none?

Is that really fair?

you're clueless, son.
you have no understanding of economics and what a zero % corp. tax rate would do for this country and its jobs.

crockett · 10-03-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

you're clueless, son.
you have no understanding of economics and what a zero % corp. tax rate would do for this country and its jobs.

US corporate tax rate is 35%.. corporate tax rate in China is 25%. With no tax loop holes involved which allows them to pay less than 35% in the US do you really think companies are moving to China to pay 10% less in taxes..

...or do you think they are moving to China to avoid paying 10-20/hr in wages plus SS, workers comp, benefits ect vs 75 cents hr. Think.. "son"..

BlackCrayon · 10-03-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

you're clueless, son.
you have no understanding of economics and what a zero % corp. tax rate would do for this country and its jobs.

if corps should get 0% tax rate than so should any and all businesses. If corps can't survive and be taxed then surely the small business person won't be able to either.

fuzebox · 10-03-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I assure you, despite what you imagine, the top 1% is too busy earning to worry about keeping anyone else down.

Poor people generally don't need anyone else to "keep them down", they keep themselves down.

Doctor Dre · 10-04-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if corps should get 0% tax rate than so should any and all businesses. If corps can't survive and be taxed then surely the small business person won't be able to either.

It's not that hard to incorporate... lol

Barry-xlovecam · 10-04-2011, 08:09 AM

Corporations as entities are not evil -- some people that run them are ...

Stereotyping or vilifying the "corporation" is merely creating a rally point for economic discontent.

As long as there is no real attempt to change the labor costs world wide and reach an equilibrium that encompasses a similar living standard there will be no change.

Unfortunately, that living standard is threatening the well being of western civilization.

Simplified -- lowering living standards to "third world" and "developing world" standards is not acceptable to the proletariat.

This is how revolutions and anarchy begin -- how quickly we forget history and try to use rhetoric ...

The next move is political and this is similar to the start of the Third Reich. Hopefully, I am wrong ...

sperbonzo · 10-04-2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Corporations as entities are not evil -- some people that run them are ...

Stereotyping or vilifying the "corporation" is merely creating a rally point for economic discontent.

As long as there is no real attempt to change the labor costs world wide and reach an equilibrium that encompasses a similar living standard there will be no change.

Unfortunately, that living standard is threatening the well being of western civilization.

Simplified -- lowering living standards to "third world" and "developing world" standards is not acceptable to the proletariat.

This is how revolutions and anarchy begin -- how quickly we forget history and try to use rhetoric ...

The next move is political and this is similar to the start of the Third Reich. Hopefully, I am wrong ...

Unfortunately Barry, the stuff I hear the protestors saying, sounds just like the kind of thing that is said prior to a revolution leading to a totalitarian regime.

You even have some people advocating the use of "reeducation camps" and beheading for "rich people".

People never seem to learn from history what this kind of "eat the rich" mentality always leads too....

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12clicks · 10-04-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

US corporate tax rate is 35%.. corporate tax rate in China is 25%. With no tax loop holes involved which allows them to pay less than 35% in the US do you really think companies are moving to China to pay 10% less in taxes..

...or do you think they are moving to China to avoid paying 10-20/hr in wages plus SS, workers comp, benefits ect vs 75 cents hr. Think.. "son"..

US companies are not moving to china.
you're clueless once more.

12clicks · 10-04-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if corps should get 0% tax rate than so should any and all businesses. If corps can't survive and be taxed then surely the small business person won't be able to either.

its not about "corps surviving" dopey, its about the US competing in the global economy for jobs and businesses.

PR_Glen · 10-04-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the way our current capitalistic society is set up makes it impossible for everyone to be rich, no matter how much ambition or good ideas they have. this society relies on a large percentage of people at the bottom. otherwise it wouldn't work.

depends on your perspective.. I've done steady investing over the years and have done fairly well with that. When the markets dip I buy more, when they go back up I buy less, numbers go up exponentially with that it seems. (keep in mind i am not a big investor, i'm talking about a modest amount here.)

Anyone getting brutalized in the markets, from what I can tell, are the ones looking on short term gains, I wouldn't even know where to start on making money that way so I avoid it.

If someone who knows as little about investing as I do can do it why can't the rest of us?

nextri · 10-04-2011, 10:31 AM

You can't make money on investments if you don't have anything to invest to begin with. You won't get anything to invest, if you grow up in poor conditions with no chance of getting an education, or if are one of the lucky ones and do manage to get an education you get it with a huge debt to go with it and no need for the education in society when you're done with it. So you'll get a low paying job and a huge load to pay. Getting anything to invest is at the bottom of the list of your priorities.

The american society is moving in a direction where you have the odds of succeeding in life more and more stacked against you from the beginning.

PornoMonster · 10-04-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nextri

You can't make money on investments if you don't have anything to invest to begin with. You won't get anything to invest, if you grow up in poor conditions with no chance of getting an education, or if are one of the lucky ones and do manage to get an education you get it with a huge debt to go with it and no need for the education in society when you're done with it. So you'll get a low paying job and a huge load to pay. Getting anything to invest is at the bottom of the list of your priorities.

The american society is moving in a direction where you have the odds of succeeding in life more and more stacked against you from the beginning.

Yeah just ask Obama!

GregE · 10-04-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Unfortunately Barry, the stuff I hear the protestors saying, sounds just like the kind of thing that is said prior to a revolution leading to a totalitarian regime.

You even have some people advocating the use of "reeducation camps" and beheading for "rich people".

People never seem to learn from history what this kind of "eat the rich" mentality always leads too....

The people in control most especially need to remember their history.

Historically the difference between places such as the USA, UK, Canada and so on and places like 1789 France, 1917 Russia and Weimar Germany isn't about democracy. Weimar Germany was democratic after all.

It's about having or not having a viable middle class.

Come on folks this isn't rocket science.

When the bulk of any countries populace consists of reasonably content, albeit sometimes overworked, people the power structure need fear nothing.

Decimate that middle class and all bets are off.

12clicks · 10-04-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE

The people in control, most especially, need to remember their history.

Historically the difference between places such as the USA, UK, Canada and so on and places like 1789 France, 1917 Russia and Weimar Germany isn't about democracy. Weimar Germany was democratic after all.

It's about having or not having a viable middle class.

Come on folks this isn't rocket science.

When the bulk of any countries populace consists of reasonably content, albeit sometimes overworked, people the power structure need fear nothing.

Decimate that middle class and all bets are off.

go tell that to all those "rich" people who'll be buying the iphone 5

Derpy · 10-04-2011, 11:34 AM

hippies->hipsters.

SuckOnThis · 10-04-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

American start ups don't go overseas to start up.
successful companies are the ones everyone is railing about taking jobs and money overseas and that is really about taxes and regulation.
as I've said before, you want GE, Google, etc to keep their jobs and business in the US, make the corp. tax rate zero. Remove their reason for leaving. The difference between skilled labor in the US and skilled labor somewhere else isn't as large as you imagine. unskilled, sure but do we really want to fight for unskilled jobs?

With that logic Birmingham Alabama should be corporate capital of the country, yet corporations stay in NYC where the corporate tax rate is more than double.

12clicks · 10-04-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

With that logic Birmingham Alabama should be corporate capital of the country, yet corporations stay in NYC where the corporate tax rate is more than double.

true, yet have you ever seen all the corporate headquarters there are in phoenix?
If the US (NYC) were only competing with Somalia (birmingham) you'd have a point. However, there are many other countries (phoenix) luring away business and jobs.
get it?

EonBlue · 10-04-2011, 12:52 PM

If the stuff below is in any way representative of their goals then it is quite clear that they are just pure bat-shit crazy.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

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Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement!

Posted 9 days ago by LloydJHart (Vineyard Haven, MA)

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

VikingMan · 10-04-2011, 12:55 PM

The bankers have thousands of these smelly communist/anarchist/ruckus raisers on call. They are sucking in the rest of society as well. This Occupy Wall St protest is just controlled opposition. Also the Anonymous hacker group is just another false flag/psy op.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-04-2011, 01:27 PM

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It's said that where you stand depends on where you sit, and that is certainly true of blue-collar whites. Their chair in the American social and economic hierarchy is low and wobbly. A majority of Disaffecteds earn less than $30,000 a year, while 44 percent are parents. The recession has hit these people hard; 63 percent say it had a major impact from which they have not yet recovered, and 71 percent had a household member unemployed in the last year. All four sets of responses are the highest among any of the Pew groups.

http://www.aei.org/article/103789

I wouldn't dismiss the disaffected economic majority as total crackpots

http://www.google.com/search?q=disaf...nomic+majority

BlackCrayon · 10-04-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

its not about "corps surviving" dopey, its about the US competing in the global economy for jobs and businesses.

well corps are always saying they will have to lay off x amount of people because of taxes, so it would seem if they have to lay off to stay competitive that is 'surviving'. regardless even if there were zero corporate taxes you will never be able to compete with third world labor wages.

GregE · 10-04-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

If the stuff below is in any way representative of their goals then it is quite clear that they are just pure bat-shit crazy.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

I'm cool with demands 1,2,6,8 and perhaps 7.

Admittedly, the other ones are a little out there

GregE · 10-04-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by *******

The bankers have thousands of these smelly communist/anarchist/ruckus raisers on call. They are sucking in the rest of society as well. This Occupy Wall St protest is just controlled opposition. Also the Anonymous hacker group is just another false flag/psy op.

No offense man, but are you like hearing voices in your head of what?

VikingMan · 10-04-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

No offense man, but are you like hearing voices in your head of what?

How are your investments doing? Check back in 2 months.

sperbonzo · 10-04-2011, 02:30 PM

That list of demands are typical of people that don't understand how an economy works, don't realize that it would collapse, along with all the development of new gadgets that they are all so in love with, and also don't seem to realize that the only way to carry out those demands is to put a totalitarian systems into place. Then they will all be left wondering what happened... (unless of course they work themselves into the new polit-bureau and are on the top of the heap, then they will enjoy the needed privileges that come with power while doling out scraps to the rest of us, all at the end of a gun)

BFT3K · 10-04-2011, 02:32 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UplKYLDawBw

GregE · 10-04-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

That list of demands are typical of people that don't understand how an economy works, don't realize that it would collapse, along with all the development of new gadgets that they are all so in love with, and also don't seem to realize that the only way to carry out those demands is to put a totalitarian systems into place. Then they will all be left wondering what happened... (unless of course they work themselves into the new polit-bureau and are on the top of the heap, then they will enjoy the needed privileges that come with power while doling out scraps to the rest of us, all at the end of a gun)

Clearly some of those demands are utopian at best (if not downright bizarre) while a few of the others are a tad contentious.

But I for one don't see how meeting demands 2, 4, 6 and 8 couldn't help but to result in a better environment for commerce and society alike.

GregE · 10-04-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by *******

How are your investments doing? Check back in 2 months.

Somehow I don't think that those kids marching around in NY are hurting them any.

12clicks · 10-04-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

well corps are always saying they will have to lay off x amount of people because of taxes, so it would seem if they have to lay off to stay competitive that is 'surviving'. regardless even if there were zero corporate taxes you will never be able to compete with third world labor wages.

I noticed you

u-Bob · 10-04-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

That list of demands are typical of people that don't understand how an economy works, don't realize that it would collapse, along with all the development of new gadgets that they are all so in love with, and also don't seem to realize that the only way to carry out those demands is to put a totalitarian systems into place. Then they will all be left wondering what happened... (unless of course they work themselves into the new polit-bureau and are on the top of the heap, then they will enjoy the needed privileges that come with power while doling out scraps to the rest of us, all at the end of a gun)

what he said.

Internet Guy · 10-04-2011, 05:21 PM

This is a leaderless movement, everyone with an internet connection is free to put forward their ideas.

Which ones are actually acted on is a different matter. The true core of the group will ultimately be responsible for the direction and which demands are carried out. The internet will be the worlds fourm for this decision making progress. This is happening right now.

IMO these people have the interest of the country in mind far more than our current "leaders".

This is much more than teenagers who 'don't understand the system' yelling in the street. They understand what's happening just fine, that is why they are there.

Check your calander, it's time for a revolution.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BS3QOtbW4m0

Internet Guy · 10-04-2011, 05:25 PM

Btw, in reference to this persons suggestions: http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

If you read the comments, you'll see this list has been shot down by most people (for obvious reasons).

This is a more reasonable list (still a work in progress of course): http://occupywallst.org/forum/detail...tactics-for-d/

12clicks · 10-04-2011, 06:06 PM

I'll say it again, for every loser out there shouting about wealth inequity, there's someone else out working and making themselves rich.

Internet Guy · 10-04-2011, 06:38 PM

It's not impossible to do both..

VikingMan · 10-04-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

Somehow I don't think that those kids marching around in NY are hurting them any.

Exactly my point. This protest was started by controlled opposition. Now it is being egged on by false flag/psy op group Anonymous and puppets like bloated Michael Moore and castrated talking heads like Keith Oberman. This "uprising" will not hurt the bankers at the top one bit. The people who have something to fear are upper middle class people because when shit hits the fan the food stamp zombies will be visiting nicer neighborhoods to rob rape and pillage. To them anyone with a nice car and big house is "rich". Class warfare and racial unrest = divide and conquer. This will just give more power to the financiers/bankers at the top. When the crash comes it will happen on the financier's/banker's own terms and they will be positioned to make even more money.

SuckOnThis · 10-04-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'll say it again, for every loser out there shouting about wealth inequity, there's someone else out working and making themselves rich.

You see no problem with this?

GregE · 10-04-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by *******

Exactly my point. This protest was started by controlled opposition. Now it is being egged on by false flag/psy op group Anonymous and puppets like bloated Michael Moore and castrated talking heads like Keith Oberman. This "uprising" will not hurt the bankers at the top one bit. The people who have something to fear are upper middle class people because when shit hits the fan the food stamp zombies will be visiting nicer neighborhoods to rob rape and pillage. To them anyone with a nice car and big house is "rich". Class warfare and racial unrest = divide and conquer. This will just give more power to the financiers/bankers at the top. When the crash comes it will happen on the financier's/banker's own terms and they will be positioned to make even more money.

Is there any opposition figure out there that you consider to be both worthwhile and credible?

buzzard · 10-04-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by *******

Exactly my point. This protest was started by controlled opposition. Now it is being egged on by false flag/psy op group Anonymous and puppets like bloated Michael Moore and castrated talking heads like Keith Oberman. This "uprising" will not hurt the bankers at the top one bit. The people who have something to fear are upper middle class people because when shit hits the fan the food stamp zombies will be visiting nicer neighborhoods to rob rape and pillage. To them anyone with a nice car and big house is "rich". Class warfare and racial unrest = divide and conquer. This will just give more power to the financiers/bankers at the top. When the crash comes it will happen on the financier's/banker's own terms and they will be positioned to make even more money.

Exactly THE point and Exactly right.

GregE · 10-04-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'll say it again, for every loser out there shouting about wealth inequity, there's someone else out working and making themselves rich.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no interest in confiscating anyone's honest (or even half honest) wealth.

But I'd sure like to see those shysters who got rich tanking the economy four years ago tossed into a cold dark cell for a very, very, verrrry long time.

VikingMan · 10-04-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

Is there any opposition figure out there that you consider to be both worthwhile and credible?

The problem with forming real opposition is that the current crop of Americans are the dumbest group of complete asses to ever walk this earth. They can be manipulated to do and believe just about anything. Therefore if you were to form a group and recruit widespread support among the masses the financiers/bankers/elites would find a way to turn the rest of the zombies against you. So my advice would be to try to work with the new system instead of resisting in any way. This country was sold out 100 years ago by puppets like Woodrow Wilson. It's over.

Caligari · 10-04-2011, 08:20 PM

In the first place *******, you have not a clue as to what you are talking about.
You are in denial because you refuse to believe such an uprising could take place, so it is safe for you to deny it and imply that it is somehow "controlled opposition."

What are you going to suggest next? The Illuminati are using haarp to control the protestors;)

In real news, Bernanke said today that the recovery is "close to faltering"
http://news.yahoo.com/bernanke-warns...214911972.html

and when questioned about the wall street protestors he said-
"I think people are quite unhappy with the state of the economy and what's happening. They blame, with some justification, the problems in the financial sector for getting us into this mess. And they're dissatisfied with the policy response here in Washington. And at some level, I can't blame them."

BFT3K · 10-04-2011, 08:21 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4wtkZL_fY0

VikingMan · 10-04-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

In the first place *******, you have not a clue as to what you are talking about.
You are in denial because you refuse to believe such an uprising could take place, so it is safe for you to deny it and imply that it is somehow "controlled opposition."

What are you going to suggest next? The Illuminati are using haarp to control the protestors;)

In real news, Bernanke said today that the recovery is "close to faltering"
http://news.yahoo.com/bernanke-warns...214911972.html

and when questioned about the wall street protestors he said-
"I think people are quite unhappy with the state of the economy and what's happening. They blame, with some justification, the problems in the financial sector for getting us into this mess. And they're dissatisfied with the policy response here in Washington. And at some level, I can't blame them."

1. First of all I hardly know anything about "HARP" except for the fact this is the second time you have brought it up so it seems you are the one who is obsessed with it. I think I have heard a few nutjobs talk about HARP so why don't you find those nutjobs and then you can have one big nutjob festival.

2. Are you a woman? I am just asking because your irrational scatter-brained response hints of a feminine author.

3. I am actually on the side of the bankers/financiers at this point. I began to study them when I was just a kid over 20 years ago. I began making some financial moves based on the fact I knew they were manipulating public opinion, politicians, and financial markets. Even though I am not "rich" I have made a nice sum of money trying to predict what they would do next. I am in awe of what they have accomplished and as a believer in "might makes right". I don't see why the 99% should get what they want since the financiers/bankers have worked their asses off while the masses sat on their asses, got fat, dumbed themselves down with endless hours of TV, lived the high life on home equity loans, etc.

4. Are the bankers/financiers/elites total psychopaths? Of course they are but they also possess something called an "intellect". I would rather attend a party full of criminal psychopaths than one full of braindead Fox News/CNN/History Channel watching turds any day.

Internet Guy · 10-04-2011, 08:55 PM

*******, are you holding any investments right now?

You sound desperate to believe this whole thing isn't happening. Clearly you have something on the line.

I'm sorry to tell you, but this is not a "controlled opposition". It's happening, and for most people (including you, probably.. ) the types of changes they are pushing for would actually help you.

BFT3K · 10-04-2011, 09:01 PM

Now all I can think about is HARP...

...and I'm out of beer. Dammit!

10-03-2011, 11:01 AM	#51
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,785	American start ups don't go overseas to start up. successful companies are the ones everyone is railing about taking jobs and money overseas and that is really about taxes and regulation. as I've said before, you want GE, Google, etc to keep their jobs and business in the US, make the corp. tax rate zero. Remove their reason for leaving. The difference between skilled labor in the US and skilled labor somewhere else isn't as large as you imagine. unskilled, sure but do we really want to fight for unskilled jobs? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

10-04-2011, 08:09 AM	#61
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Corporations as entities are not evil -- some people that run them are ... Stereotyping or vilifying the "corporation" is merely creating a rally point for economic discontent. As long as there is no real attempt to change the labor costs world wide and reach an equilibrium that encompasses a similar living standard there will be no change. Unfortunately, that living standard is threatening the well being of western civilization. Simplified -- lowering living standards to "third world" and "developing world" standards is not acceptable to the proletariat. This is how revolutions and anarchy begin -- how quickly we forget history and try to use rhetoric ... The next move is political and this is similar to the start of the Third Reich. Hopefully, I am wrong ...

10-04-2011, 10:31 AM	#66
nextri Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 1,661	You can't make money on investments if you don't have anything to invest to begin with. You won't get anything to invest, if you grow up in poor conditions with no chance of getting an education, or if are one of the lucky ones and do manage to get an education you get it with a huge debt to go with it and no need for the education in society when you're done with it. So you'll get a low paying job and a huge load to pay. Getting anything to invest is at the bottom of the list of your priorities. The american society is moving in a direction where you have the odds of succeeding in life more and more stacked against you from the beginning. __________________ DivaTraffic - Traffic for Models

10-04-2011, 11:34 AM	#70
Derpy Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 32	hippies->hipsters. __________________ Humor/entertainment link trades? Yes, please. - Lulz.com (pr3) lulz [a\|t] lulz () com

10-04-2011, 02:30 PM	#80
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	That list of demands are typical of people that don't understand how an economy works, don't realize that it would collapse, along with all the development of new gadgets that they are all so in love with, and also don't seem to realize that the only way to carry out those demands is to put a totalitarian systems into place. Then they will all be left wondering what happened... (unless of course they work themselves into the new polit-bureau and are on the top of the heap, then they will enjoy the needed privileges that come with power while doling out scraps to the rest of us, all at the end of a gun) __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

10-04-2011, 12:55 PM	#74
VikingMan Exploiting human weakness Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: next to a salmon stream Posts: 6,504	The bankers have thousands of these smelly communist/anarchist/ruckus raisers on call. They are sucking in the rest of society as well. This Occupy Wall St protest is just controlled opposition. Also the Anonymous hacker group is just another false flag/psy op.

10-04-2011, 02:32 PM	#81
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	https://youtube.com/watch?v=UplKYLDawBw

10-04-2011, 05:21 PM	#86
Internet Guy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 402	This is a leaderless movement, everyone with an internet connection is free to put forward their ideas. Which ones are actually acted on is a different matter. The true core of the group will ultimately be responsible for the direction and which demands are carried out. The internet will be the worlds fourm for this decision making progress. This is happening right now. IMO these people have the interest of the country in mind far more than our current "leaders". This is much more than teenagers who 'don't understand the system' yelling in the street. They understand what's happening just fine, that is why they are there. Check your calander, it's time for a revolution. https://youtube.com/watch?v=BS3QOtbW4m0

10-04-2011, 05:25 PM	#87
Internet Guy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 402	Btw, in reference to this persons suggestions: http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/ If you read the comments, you'll see this list has been shot down by most people (for obvious reasons). This is a more reasonable list (still a work in progress of course): http://occupywallst.org/forum/detail...tactics-for-d/

10-04-2011, 06:06 PM	#88
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,785	I'll say it again, for every loser out there shouting about wealth inequity, there's someone else out working and making themselves rich. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

10-04-2011, 06:38 PM	#89
Internet Guy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 402	It's not impossible to do both..

10-04-2011, 08:20 PM	#96
Caligari Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At The Mountains Of Madness Posts: 5,414	In the first place *****, you have not a clue as to what you are talking about. You are in denial because you refuse to believe such an uprising could take place, so it is safe for you to deny it and imply that it is somehow "controlled opposition." What are you going to suggest next? The Illuminati are using haarp to control the protestors;) In real news, Bernanke said today that the recovery is "close to faltering" http://news.yahoo.com/bernanke-warns...214911972.html and when questioned about the wall street protestors he said- "I think people are quite unhappy with the state of the economy and what's happening. They blame, with some justification, the problems in the financial sector for getting us into this mess. And they're dissatisfied with the policy response here in Washington. And at some level, I can't blame them." __________________ ATTN Webmasters Cruel Bucks - LIVE Gonzo Does Not Pay ------------------------------------------------ Animal Rescue Click Here to Feed An Animal for Free**

10-04-2011, 08:21 PM	#97
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4wtkZL_fY0

10-04-2011, 08:55 PM	#99
Internet Guy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 402	*******, are you holding any investments right now? You sound desperate to believe this whole thing isn't happening. Clearly you have something on the line. I'm sorry to tell you, but this is not a "controlled opposition". It's happening, and for most people (including you, probably.. ) the types of changes they are pushing for would actually help you.

10-04-2011, 09:01 PM	#100
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Now all I can think about is HARP... ...and I'm out of beer. Dammit!