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_Richard_ · 10-17-2011, 05:25 PM

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BFT3K · 10-17-2011, 05:26 PM

TheDoc · 10-17-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

With that mindset,the best you can hope for is an asteroid collision.

My business nearly doubled during the recession,and it wasn't small before. Made enough to allow me to acquire another company. I know I am not that smart or that lucky. Why do you think we did well when 9.1% of the rest didn't?

That's not a mindset.... it's the reality of the problem.

It appears that you think you're part of the 1%, tax wise that may be true... protest wise, you're not. You're a business man, you make money, pay taxes, and don't go around screwing the country over by the hundreds of billions in fraud markets and sucking trillions of our tax dollars away to pay for your screw ups.

You're part of the 99% because "you pay for them too." Everyone that pays any taxes, at all, pays for them... that's why we are the 99% and they are the 1% - unless you got a bailout?

Yes, some idiots in the crowd think every dollar profit a corporation makes is evil, but that's not who or what the mass majority are targeting.

Corporate greed at the multi-billion and trillion dollar level has taken over our local to fed government. We could all list endless examples of this corruption, but one major one is: Congress passes its own law to make it legal for them to know insider trading information and profit from that knowledge, which would land every other citizen in jail.

They vote on the laws/bills that would help or screw them, thus profit or fall based on the votes they make. They don't give a shit about us, they care about what makes them the most money! That's a huge problem, they are not in this for the money/business, profit, etc... but it's just one of many examples.

I doubt any of us on gfy are so rich and so powerful that we have any type of influence over those that make the bills/laws for our country, so much so that if you screw up - "everyone else" will pay you for it. And I'm also sure that you do not believe that all these regulations, new patent laws, corporate leverage, and so on - actually help you make more money.

They have billions to spend on lobbying congress, states, etc... you spend maybe something but the majority nothing - all we have is a voice, you should be out speaking yours!

You are the 99%, you're just the successful part of the 99%.

TheDoc · 10-17-2011, 09:10 PM

Difference between a bank robbery and a bank bail out

"Plus, they always get away with it, never go to prison and need a far larger sack for the cash."

http://digg.com/news/politics/differ...ank_bail_ out

Internet Guy · 10-18-2011, 01:25 AM

Internet Guy · 10-18-2011, 01:36 AM

sperbonzo · 10-18-2011, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

It must be frustrating when the left did everything to portray the Tea Party as racist, red neck, and ignorant, by targeting and picking out tiny numbers of people from a large un-organized group and then stereo-typing the entire movement.....

....and now the same thing is being done to them. I wonder if anyone will learn anything from this.

Probably not.

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12clicks · 10-18-2011, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Internet Guy

this is because the ceiling has raised and the bottom is under the false impression that they have it bad just because others have it SO good.

the bottom's false impression will be their undoing.

12clicks · 10-18-2011, 06:44 AM

also, wonder what that chart would look like if they added the missing 9% to the bottom 90%

12clicks · 10-18-2011, 06:46 AM

since the last line seems to show about 65% to the top 1% I guess the bottom 99% would be about 35%

significantly different than what the chart is trying to imply.

TheDoc · 10-18-2011, 07:00 AM

Lol at 12clicks trying to explain what he doesn't understand.

This has been proven, over and over again, from about the start of the 80's forward, more stats, data, and people have written, proven, twisted, and re-shown it.... go look it up, about 20 years of reports on it.

But you know, you are the mighty 12clicks - I'm sure you can crack it.

12clicks · 10-18-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Lol at 12clicks trying to explain what he doesn't understand.

This has been proven, over and over again, from about the start of the 80's forward, more stats, data, and people have written, proven, twisted, and re-shown it.... go look it up, about 20 years of reports on it.

But you know, you are the mighty 12clicks - I'm sure you can crack it.

I understand that it softens the blow of your failure by blaming it on the evil rich but the fact is, the poor and middle class have never had it so good.
anyone who WANTS to can go right back to their levittown house of the roaring 60s, have one automobile, one phone in their house, network TV and no AC and pay for it all on one salary. Just like they did in the 60s.

nothing has changed except for the rabble like yourself wanting to be one of the rich without doing what it takes to get there.

TheDoc · 10-18-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I understand that it softens the blow of your failure by blaming it on the evil rich but the fact is, the poor and middle class have never had it so good.
anyone who WANTS to can go right back to their levittown house of the roaring 60s, have one automobile, one phone in their house, network TV and no AC and pay for it all on one salary. Just like they did in the 60s.

nothing has changed except for the rabble like yourself wanting to be one of the rich without doing what it takes to get there.

Well it's not the 60's and we have different options today... so it wouldn't be the 60's.

Correct, I don't pretend to be rich, I'm not.. I've never made hundreds of millions to billions in personal income, I don't own my own private jets that costs me 50k+ to take my kids to another country so they can do a in-life book report for school.... I don't pretend to be a poser on gfy acting like I'm wealthy.... because I'm not I'm not and... I'm not you.

Lucy - CSC · 10-18-2011, 07:29 AM

Watch what one of the worlds top capitalist ever says about the economy. He believes it should be a mix of socialism and capitalism to ensure that jobs remain in the country.

sperbonzo · 10-18-2011, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Watch what one of the worlds top capitalist ever says about the economy. He believes it should be a mix of socialism and capitalism to ensure that jobs remain in the country.

I know it seems to sound good, but don't buy into it. Big businesses ALWAYS want the government to step in and make it harder for anyone else to compete with them. This is the essence of corporatism. The large corps have the resources to deal with the increased costs of increased regulation and restrictions, and they know that some bright young guy with a start up doesn't. Increased government interference makes it impossible for the little start up to really get moving and then threaten the big guys market share. When you hear business people touting more government, this is why.

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Lucy - CSC · 10-18-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You're part of the 99% because "you pay for them too." Everyone that pays any taxes, at all, pays for them... that's why we are the 99% and they are the 1% - unless you got a bailout?

You are the 99%, you're just the successful part of the 99%.

That is what it hard trying to explain to someone. For some reason people who are making money seem to think they are in the 1%. They complain when their tax money is given to someone who is broke for food but dont seem to care that much when their money is given to the bankers.

sperbonzo · 10-18-2011, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

That is what it hard trying to explain to someone. For some reason people who are making money seem to think they are in the 1%. They complain when their tax money is given to someone who is broke for food but dont seem to care that much when their money is given to the bankers.

I agree, which is why I don't understand why they aren't protesting the government. THEY are the ones that gave the money to the banks.

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TheDoc · 10-18-2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I agree, which is why I don't understand why they aren't protesting the government. THEY are the ones that gave the money to the banks.

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They are protesting government... and the influence the money has over our gov.

12clicks · 10-18-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I don't pretend to be a poser on gfy

no, there's certainly no pretending in your poser act.

Lucy - CSC · 10-18-2011, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I know it seems to sound good, but don't buy into it. Big businesses ALWAYS want the government to step in and make it harder for anyone else to compete with them. This is the essence of corporatism. The large corps have the resources to deal with the increased costs of increased regulation and restrictions, and they know that some bright young guy with a start up doesn't. Increased government interference makes it impossible for the little start up to really get moving and then threaten the big guys market share. When you hear business people touting more government, this is why.

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He is not touting more government in regulations etc but in ensuring that jobs remain in the country. From free trade agreements which ultimately screw the guy in the street as his job ends up going abroad to socialised utilities.

Robbie · 10-18-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

He is not touting more government in regulations etc but in ensuring that jobs remain in the country. From free trade agreements which ultimately screw the guy in the street as his job ends up going abroad to socialised utilities.

Do you really think he gives a damn about "jobs in America" or you or me?

Of course not! Just like I don't. And just like you don't. When you run a business you are concerned with SUCCESS. And making money. That's what it's all about.

All that guy is concerned about is his bottom line. Anything he is saying is designed to insure that. Nothing more.

I can't believe that anybody thinks that anybody else in this world is concerned about anything other than their own business.

Guys..."billionaires", politicians, homeless people, you, me...we all have the same basic human instincts.

IF something that is good for you or the country as a whole fits into the govt. plans or a business owners plans...then that is GREAT!

But please don't believe that YOUR welfare or the welfare of others is on the radar. The world has never worked like that and never will.

sperbonzo · 10-18-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Do you really think he gives a damn about "jobs in America" or you or me?

Of course not! Just like I don't. And just like you don't. When you run a business you are concerned with SUCCESS. And making money. That's what it's all about.

All that guy is concerned about is his bottom line. Anything he is saying is designed to insure that. Nothing more.

I can't believe that anybody thinks that anybody else in this world is concerned about anything other than their own business.

Guys..."billionaires", politicians, homeless people, you, me...we all have the same basic human instincts.

IF something that is good for you or the country as a whole fits into the govt. plans or a business owners plans...then that is GREAT!

But please don't believe that YOUR welfare or the welfare of others is on the radar. The world has never worked like that and never will.

Exactly Robbie. The one difference between people in government and everyone else, is that government elites can legally use FORCE to get what they want from everyone else.

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Robbie · 10-18-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Exactly Robbie. The one difference between people in government and everyone else, is that government elites can legally use FORCE to get what they want from everyone else.

Yep, and when the govt. CAN'T do that...they simply pass new laws and legislation that allows them to do it. (just like when the federal income tax was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court...Congress just convened and amended the Constitution to MAKE it legal by ratifying the 16th Amendment in 1913 that gave us our federal income tax

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 10-18-2011, 10:25 AM

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OAKLAND -- Three American hikers who were jailed in Iran as spies joined hundreds at the Occupy Oakland encampment in front of City Hall Monday night, making their first West Coast appearance together since their release to say they stood in solidarity with the movement, just as people worldwide advocated for them while they were imprisoned.

Hikers Shane Bauer and Josh Fattal, both 29, both UC Berkeley grads, were jailed for 26 months in a Tehran prison and released last month on a $1 million bail deal. Sarah Shourd, 33, an Oakland resident, was freed last fall on $500,000 bail after spending a year in the same prison.

Shourd told the Occupy Oakland crowd that the trio connects with the suffering of millions "who don't have enough to eat, who don't have enough money or jobs and don't enjoy the liberties which they deserve."

"Once that is taken from you," she told the crowd of about 300 people gathered at the 100-tent encampment in Frank Ogawa Plaza, "you never forget it again."

The appearance by Bauer, Fattal and Shourd was the second infusion of star power to the loose-knit Oakland group. On Saturday, activist actor Danny Glover joined a march to City Hall calling for economic justice.

The three freed hikers said the movement resonated with them. "This is amazing to see our country coming back to life and our city coming together. This is a wonderful homecoming," said Bauer, a freelance journalist from Minnesota. "This is the perfect place to celebrate our freedom. I feel the city is part of my heart and I can't tell you how important this feels."

Fattal, an environmental educator originally from suburban Philadelphia, added, "Never doubt that every piece helps, and I have a particular message to everyone here in Occupy Oakland: I support you."

The original message when Occupy Oakland got under way one week ago was a protest against widespread unemployment and corporate greed, but the encampment has grown to encompass many other causes: support for state prison inmates who are on hunger strikes, housing rights, fair wages and against social oppression.

Bauer, Fattal and Shourd were on a hiking trip in the Kurdish region of Iraq in July 2009 when they say they crossed an unmarked border into Iran and were arrested. The U.S. government has said they were used as political pawns by Iran, but Shourd told the crowd Monday that the three shared a special privilege as Americans: they were not forgotten and tens of thousands of people worked for their freedom.

"So anything Shane, Josh and I can do to lend our support or our voices to people who don't have a voice is a privilege," she said Monday.

During their months in prison, they spent much of their time in solitary confinement, which Fattal said was most cruel part of his detainment and Bauer called "hell."

Fattal said Monday he has not eaten for 24 hours in solidarity with about 150 inmates in state prisons who continue their fast to protest prison conditions.

"(The support of people) is really what made me get through everyday (in prison)," Fattal said.

When Bauer and Fattal were released Sept. 21 in a deal brokered by the Sultan Qaboos of Oman, the initial protest in the movement, Occupy Wall Street, was in its infancy in a New York City park. That protest saw its first local incarnation in San Francisco earlier this month and similar demonstrations are either ongoing or have been held in more than 70 major cities and at least 600 smaller communities. London, Paris, Rome and other European capitals have joined in and marches have also been held in Asia, South America and Australia.

Bauer proposed marriage to Shourd while the two were imprisoned, but neither they nor Fattal would take questions Monday about where they are living now or their future plans.

ADG

BFT3K · 10-19-2011, 10:34 AM

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10...esident-obama/

Minte · 10-19-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10...esident-obama/

The message came from activist (and traitor) Melissa Brookstone,

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 10-19-2011, 11:49 PM

Here Are Four Charts That Explain What The Protesters Are Angry About...

1. Unemployment is at the highest level since the Great Depression (with the exception of a brief blip in the early 1980s).

2. At the same time, corporate profits are at an all-time high, both in absolute dollars and as a share of the economy.

3. Wages as a percent of the economy are at an all-time low. In other words, corporate profits are at an all-time high, in part, because corporations are paying less of their revenue to employees than they ever have. There are lots of reasons for this, many of which are not the fault of the corporations. (It's a global economy now, and 2-3 billion new low-cost employees in China, India, et al, have recently entered the global workforce. This is putting pressure on wages the world over.)

4. Income and wealth inequality in the US economy is near an all-time high: The owners of the country's assets (capital) are winning, everyone else (labor) is losing.

Three charts illustrate this:

The top earners are capturing a higher share of the national income than they have anytime since the 1920s:

CEO pay and corporate profits have skyrocketed in the past 20 years, "production worker" pay has risen 4%.

After adjusting for inflation, average earnings haven't increased in 50 years.

It's worth noting that the US has been in a similar situation before: At the end of the "Roaring '20s," just before the start of the Great Depression. (See some of the charts above).

It took the country 15-20 years to pull out of that slump and fix the imbalances. But by the mid-1950s, employment, corporate profits, wages, and inequality had all returned to more normal levels. And the country enjoyed a couple of decades of relatively well-balanced prosperity. But now, everything's out of whack again.

Importantly, the inequality that has developed in the economy over the past couple of decades is not just a moral issue. It's a practical one. It is, as sociologists might say, "de-stabilizing." It leads directly to the sort of social unrest that we're seeing right now.

ADG

Theo · 10-20-2011, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You're part of the 99% because "you pay for them too."

Exactly__

Theo · 10-20-2011, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I understand that it softens the blow of your failure by blaming it on the evil rich

reminds me 12clicks from 2001, some things never change lol

10-17-2011, 09:10 PM	#404
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Difference between a bank robbery and a bank bail out "Plus, they always get away with it, never go to prison and need a far larger sack for the cash." http://digg.com/news/politics/differ...ank_bail_ out __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,785	also, wonder what that chart would look like if they added the missing 9% to the bottom 90% __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,785	since the last line seems to show about 65% to the top 1% I guess the bottom 99% would be about 35% significantly different than what the chart is trying to imply. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Lol at 12clicks trying to explain what he doesn't understand. This has been proven, over and over again, from about the start of the 80's forward, more stats, data, and people have written, proven, twisted, and re-shown it.... go look it up, about 20 years of reports on it. But you know, you are the mighty 12clicks - I'm sure you can crack it. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Here Are Four Charts That Explain What The Protesters Are Angry About... 1. Unemployment is at the highest level since the Great Depression (with the exception of a brief blip in the early 1980s). 2. At the same time, corporate profits are at an all-time high, both in absolute dollars and as a share of the economy. 3. Wages as a percent of the economy are at an all-time low. In other words, corporate profits are at an all-time high, in part, because corporations are paying less of their revenue to employees than they ever have. There are lots of reasons for this, many of which are not the fault of the corporations. (It's a global economy now, and 2-3 billion new low-cost employees in China, India, et al, have recently entered the global workforce. This is putting pressure on wages the world over.) 4. Income and wealth inequality in the US economy is near an all-time high: The owners of the country's assets (capital) are winning, everyone else (labor) is losing. Three charts illustrate this: The top earners are capturing a higher share of the national income than they have anytime since the 1920s: CEO pay and corporate profits have skyrocketed in the past 20 years, "production worker" pay has risen 4%. After adjusting for inflation, average earnings haven't increased in 50 years. It's worth noting that the US has been in a similar situation before: At the end of the "Roaring '20s," just before the start of the Great Depression. (See some of the charts above). It took the country 15-20 years to pull out of that slump and fix the imbalances. But by the mid-1950s, employment, corporate profits, wages, and inequality had all returned to more normal levels. And the country enjoyed a couple of decades of relatively well-balanced prosperity. But now, everything's out of whack again. Importantly, the inequality that has developed in the economy over the past couple of decades is not just a moral issue. It's a practical one. It is, as sociologists might say, "de-stabilizing." It leads directly to the sort of social unrest that we're seeing right now. ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)