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Lichen · 07-17-2014, 01:37 PM

Ukrainian intelligence released intercepted terrorist communications where they discuss that they shot down a civilian plane, mistaking it for a war plane

http://top.rbc.ru/politics/17/07/2014/937298.shtml#xtor=AL-[internal_traffic]--[rbc.ru]-[main_body]-[main_item]-[title

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lichen

Ukrainian intelligence released intercepted terrorist communications where they discuss that they shot down a civilian plane, mistaking it for a war plane

http://top.rbc.ru/politics/17/07/2014/937298.shtml#xtor=AL-[internal_traffic]--[rbc.ru]-[main_body]-[main_item]-[title

yes, that is clear.

now to answer the question on why it had two fighter jets with it.. and how many commercial airlines get escorted, and rerouted directly over a city that shoots down planes.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lichen

Ukrainian intelligence released intercepted terrorist communications where they discuss that they shot down a civilian plane, mistaking it for a war plane

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20161955&postcount=176

Emma · 07-17-2014, 01:41 PM

Interfax reported Interior Ministry adviser Anton Gerashenko said 23 of those are Americans.

WDF · 07-17-2014, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

yes, that is clear.

now to answer the question on why it had two fighter jets with it.. and how many commercial airlines get escorted, and rerouted directly over a city that shoots down planes.

Have you ever watched a TV program called "Bait Car"?

MaDalton · 07-17-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

yes, that is clear.

now to answer the question on why it had two fighter jets with it.. and how many commercial airlines get escorted, and rerouted directly over a city that shoots down planes.

where do you take this from?

i watch that on TV now and this was nowhere mentioned yet (opposed to all the other stuff that was posted here)

baggg · 07-17-2014, 01:43 PM

or http://i.imgur.com/33tp6sI.jpg

Lichen · 07-17-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

yes, that is clear.

now to answer the question on why it had two fighter jets with it.. and how many commercial airlines get escorted, and rerouted directly over a city that shoots down planes.

There is no real proof that confirms fighter planes escorting it.

twitter account of some dumbass is not a credible source.

Bryan G · 07-17-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Emma

Interfax reported Interior Ministry adviser Anton Gerashenko said 23 of those are Americans.

What difference does it make if there were 23 americans? Close to 300 people lost their lives today nationality should not make a difference.

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

yes, that is clear.

now to answer the question on why it had two fighter jets with it.. and how many commercial airlines get escorted, and rerouted directly over a city that shoots down planes.

Doesn't seem to be any credible reports of jet fighter escorts.

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lichen

There is no real proof that confirms fighter planes escorting it.

twitter account of some dumbass is not a credible source.

guess that means your source isn't credible either

oppoten · 07-17-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Emma

Interfax reported Interior Ministry adviser Anton Gerashenko said 23 of those are Americans.

oh well that makes all the difference.

Seriously, why the FUCK were they flying over a warzone? Sheer lunacy, I thought it would be standard to divert the flights.

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

where do you take this from?

i watch that on TV now and this was nowhere mentioned yet (opposed to all the other stuff that was posted here)

eye witnesses from area, air traffic controller etc

just wait

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Originally Posted by oppoten

oh well that makes all the difference.

Seriously, why the FUCK were they flying over a warzone? Sheer lunacy, I thought it would be standard to divert the flights.

it appears the flight was diverted directly over this city..

baggg · 07-17-2014, 01:51 PM

Lichen · 07-17-2014, 01:55 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

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The United States has concluded the Malaysian airline was shot down, a senior U.S. official told CNN's Barbara Starr. One radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down Thursday, according to the official. A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit, the official said. The United States is analyzing the trajectory of the missile to try to learn where the attack came from.

Lichen · 07-17-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

eye witnesses from area, air traffic controller etc

eye witness saw a fighter plane at 10000m ?

who was it, hawkeye?

seriously

Mutt · 07-17-2014, 02:02 PM

Seriously, ignore _Richard_ , he believes everything he reads on the Internet and posts cryptic nonsense that he thinks makes him look smart, like he's been monitoring the situation from his command center in his basement.

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lichen

eye witness saw a fighter plane at 10000m ?

who was it, hawkeye?

seriously

good point. oh well, back to your credible russian newspaper story

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Seriously, ignore _Richard_ , he believes everything he reads on the Internet and posts cryptic nonsense that he thinks makes him look smart, like he's been monitoring the situation from his command center in his basement.

you seem to be doing a good job ignoring me.. why aren't you in the other war thread?

femdomdestiny · 07-17-2014, 02:08 PM

Has anyone tried this?

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just a punk · 07-17-2014, 02:13 PM

So, here we go:

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

it appears the flight was diverted directly over this city..

Which could have been done for any of a number of reasons... We can start with weather and then quickly move onto perhaps it was a more favorable jet stream.

Questioning why the fight was routed a certain way is like asking your mother why she took the long route to the grocery store last week.

Paul&John · 07-17-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

What difference does it make if there were 23 americans? Close to 300 people lost their lives today nationality should not make a difference.

Exactly.. the whole thing is fucked up on so many levels..

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 02:31 PM

this is a conspiracy !!!!!!!!

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John

Exactly.. the whole thing is fucked up on so many levels..

Exactly. Their citizenship doesn't matter. The people have died. Many people, including the kids. And not just died. They were killed by Ukrainian separatists (rebels/terrorists whatever) because the Ukrainian government has not blocked the airspace above the war zone where their monkeys kill each other.

crockett · 07-17-2014, 02:44 PM

I just wanted to be the first to congratulate the Pro Russian separatist for winning the war for Ukraine.

Russia will now have to bow out. They have two choices.. Let the conflict die and bow down to the West or attempt to deny there was ever a plane shot down and face real sanctions which will actually hurt as well as Western intervention into the war zone. Even Putin is smart enough to understand his support of the Rebels will now have to "really" end.

Lichen · 07-17-2014, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

They were killed by Ukrainian separatists (rebels/terrorists whatever)

They are Russian separatists.

They speak Russian, they wave Russian flags. They want nothing to do with Ukraine. They want Russia to take them in. They claim to be ethnic Russians living on territories occupied by Ukraine.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lichen

They are Russian separatists.

Nope. These are not Russian separatists. These are Ukrainian citizens that want to separate from Ukraine. That's why they are Ukrainian separatists. Not Russian, not Chinese and not Italian ones. They are Ukrainians.

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Originally Posted by Lichen

They speak Russian

90% of Ukrainians speak Russian because they are native Russians. Even the new Ukrainian president and the prime minister speak Russian natively. Does it make them "Russian" separatists too? Where is your logic?

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Originally Posted by Lichen

they wave Russian flags.

People in Kiev and Lviv wave EU flags, but it doesn't make them EU members.

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Originally Posted by Lichen

They want nothing to do with Ukraine.

Because they are separatists, no?

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Originally Posted by Lichen

They want Russia to take them in.

No, they aren't. Seems you know shit about the situation there. Some groups want to join Russia. Others want to make their own independent Novorossia. Cossacks want to make their own country etc...

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Originally Posted by Lichen

They claim to be ethnic Russians living on territories occupied by Ukraine.

FYI about 90% (or so) of Ukrainian citizens are ethnic Russians (Kiev is an old capital of Russia if you didn't know that). Ukraine can not occupy anything, Ukraine is an old Russian word which means outskirts (outskirts of the former Russian Empire). So it's an independent (yeah, almost) country only since 1991. Before that it was a western territory of Russia - "okraina" (outskirts).

Educate yourself and don't post bullshit anymore, please.

MaDalton · 07-17-2014, 03:00 PM

man, not too long ago you explained me that there are no Ukrainian people and now suddenly they all are Ukrainian people...

if this wasn't so sad i'd laugh my ass off

Barry-xlovecam · 07-17-2014, 03:01 PM

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U.S. intelligence has confirmed that a surface-to-air missile was fired at the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet that crashed in Ukraine, a senior U.S. official told the Los Angeles Times. It?s not yet clear who fired the missile, however.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crashed near Donetsk in eastern Ukraine on Thursday with 295 people aboard. The plane was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...717-story.html

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 now this. The Malays have shit for luck it seems ...

Lots of arguing with back and forth here -- it will take time to point any real blame ...

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Which could have been done for any of a number of reasons... We can start with weather and then quickly move onto perhaps it was a more favorable jet stream.

Questioning why the fight was routed a certain way is like asking your mother why she took the long route to the grocery store last week.

great example.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 now this. The Malays have shit for luck it seems ...

Lots of arguing with back and forth here -- it will take time to point any real blame ...

took no time at all.. apparently the guys who have been shooting military transportation and fighter jets down, have now shot a commercial jet down.

oppoten · 07-17-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Nope. These are not Russian separatists. These are Ukrainian citizens that want to separate from Ukraine. That's why they are Ukrainian separatists. Not Russian, not Chinese and not Italian ones. They are Ukrainians.

That's not what their sympathizers were saying on here.

(I think they got banned, but they kept insisting that they were Russian)

Sly · 07-17-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

man, not too long ago you explained me that there are no Ukrainian people and now suddenly they all are Ukrainian people...

if this wasn't so sad i'd laugh my ass off

Instead of acknowledging that he could be wrong on an issue, he just picks up the next issue and runs with it as hard as the one that he was just wrong about.

Very interesting character. Can't tell if real or not.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

man, not too long ago you explained me that there are no Ukrainian people and now suddenly they all are Ukrainian people...

Is this post directed to me? Didn't you read that I wrote above? There is no Ukrainian nation - they all are Russians (yeah, there are Poles, Jews, Moldovans and others of course). On the other hand, there is the Ukraine as a country. And those (including the separatists) are the Ukrainian citizens. It maybe too much beer for you today or what... I thought that's very easy to understand. See, if you became a Czech citizen (or will became someday) you won't change your nationality. You still be a German. The citizenship won't change your ethnicity.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 03:18 PM

I told it all the time and I never changed my opinion. Do you know how Ukrainians were called during the Russian Empire times? They were called MaloRUSSIANS. Like BeloRUSSIANS, for example. That means they all are Russians that lived on different territories - you know, out country is big enough ;)

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 03:20 PM

That's why we should merge turkey and turkmenistan !

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

That's why we should merge turkey and turkmenistan !

TURKEYmenistan? WTF is that?

P.S. You can merge Turkey and Azerbaijan BTW

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 03:29 PM

As about the Ukraine, look at the historical map:

As you can see, it's almost a whole territory of Russian Empire + something that Stalin took from Poland, Moldova and Romania... Before 1654 is was a small piece of land which was suffered from Turks. So they asked Russian Tzar for a shelter and became a part of Russian Empire.

Matt 26z · 07-17-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I just wanted to be the first to congratulate the Pro Russian separatist for winning the war for Ukraine.

Russia will now have to bow out. They have two choices.. Let the conflict die and bow down to the West or attempt to deny there was ever a plane shot down and face real sanctions which will actually hurt as well as Western intervention into the war zone. Even Putin is smart enough to understand his support of the Rebels will now have to "really" end.

How convenient.....

Struggle4Bucks · 07-17-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

The only thing I don't understand is why some clowns here try to find any relation with Russia.

Because, according to Ukranian official, there is a recorded phonecall 20 minutes after crash, between russian seperatist and Russian Army intelegence service general, about the "mistake".

directfiesta · 07-17-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

It's freaking obvious that this conflict would have been over months ago, had Russians not been stirring shit by supplying terrorist with money, weapons and specialists.

.. and it would have never existed had the '' west '' not stirred shit by supplying money, mercenaries and CIA ops

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 05:24 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks

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Today the residents of Turkey, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Gagauzia are descendants of Oghuz Turks and their language belongs to the Oghuz (a.k.a southwestern Turkic) group of the Turkic languages family.

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

How convenient.....

lol

sperbonzo · 07-17-2014, 05:47 PM

Now it looks like the pro Russian separatists are in control of the wreckage. They are apparently not allowing crash investigators into the crash site to collect Intel as to exactly what kind of missile hit the plane and they are going to send the black box to Moscow.

Make of that what you will...

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crockett · 07-17-2014, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Now it looks like the pro Russian separatists are in control of the wreckage. They are apparently not allowing crash investigators into the crash site to collect Intel as to exactly what kind of missile hit the plane and they are going to send the black box to Moscow.

Make of that what you will...

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It's really not a mystery.. The pro Russians claimed they shot it down, when they thought it was a military transport plane. Soon as it was found out to be civilian, they started removing their social media posts and trying to cover their tracks. The pro Russians hold the smoking gun and Moscow gave them the gun.

It's really pretty cut & dry.

WDF · 07-17-2014, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It's really not a mystery.. The pro Russians claimed they shot it down, when they thought it was a military transport plane. Soon as it was found out to be civilian, they started removing their social media posts and trying to cover their tracks. The pro Russians hold the smoking gun and Moscow gave them the gun.

It's really pretty cut & dry.

The efforts by the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) have been vigorous but the facts at hand do seem to say just that.

RandyRandy · 07-17-2014, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 now this. The Malays have shit for luck it seems ...

I've got about 25,000 Malaysian Airways miles. I'm open to trades.

Theo · 07-17-2014, 10:28 PM

interesting info http://mobile.extremetech.com/electr...did-they-do-it

Mr. Garibaldi · 07-17-2014, 11:04 PM

so after 5 pages of expert gfy investigation it is indeed seems like rebels nailed the plane

that youtube video of their radio exchange, even though it was posted by ukrainian officials, sounds legit enough... they fired something, thought they hit a transport plane, but it turned out to be a passenger jet...

the other thing is that Carlos guy claiming on twitter they were tracking one or two unkrainian fighters escorting the jet minutes before it went off the radars... what the fuck they were doing there? were they responsible for it changing course and flying directly over the "hot" area?...

still a lot of uncertain details

lets continue our investigation fellow gfyers

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Because, according to Ukranian official, there is a recorded phonecall 20 minutes after crash, between russian seperatist and Russian Army intelegence service general, about the "mistake".

It would be stupid to deny that separatists have military advisers in Russia and they are supported by private corporate armies (e.g.: http://rsb-group.ru/) On the other hand, it's not a secret that the official Ukrainian government has military advisers in the States (up to the head of CIA) and there are Greystone mercenaries on the Ukraine.

So, if the plane was hit by the Ukrainian army, would you blame the USA for that? If not, why do you blame Russia for something done by the Ukrainian separatists? Answer to this question please.

Is there anybody else who can answer to my question?

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It's really not a mystery.. The pro Russians claimed they shot it down, when they thought it was a military transport plane.

I was always feel irritated when somebody call these bastards pro-Russian (theofficial Russian TV loves to use that term as well). WTF they are pro-Russian? They are pro-their own. There are so many groups that want to separate from the Ukraine and every group has its own goals. I'm sure that if they will really separate from the Ukraine, they will not join Russia but will start bashing each other in the same manner, because every single commander there wanna have his own country and army. It's very similar to all those African conflicts

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Mr. Garibaldi Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 741	so after 5 pages of expert gfy investigation it is indeed seems like rebels nailed the plane that youtube video of their radio exchange, even though it was posted by ukrainian officials, sounds legit enough... they fired something, thought they hit a transport plane, but it turned out to be a passenger jet... the other thing is that Carlos guy claiming on twitter they were tracking one or two unkrainian fighters escorting the jet minutes before it went off the radars... what the fuck they were doing there? were they responsible for it changing course and flying directly over the "hot" area?... still a lot of uncertain details lets continue our investigation fellow gfyers