Sarah Palin.................

[sortie]

When people scroll thru video one frame at a time to find the dumbest looking
freeze frame expression they can find to post on the front page of yahoo then
they are just as lame as those they try to label.

This is a dark day when I defend Sarah Palin.

And she had every right to bust on Letterman by implying the pedo label because
he started the sex jokes about her child.

This is not an endorsement; just calling 'em like I see 'em.

[Carmine Raguso]

What is this that you are speaking of? I live under a rock... link?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

What is this that you are speaking of? I live under a rock... link?

Must be one hell of a rock that you can't read above that's its the front page of yahoo.

[TheDoc]

Letterman was "clearly" speaking about the daughter that "got knocked up." But it's ok to suggest he is a pedo... thank god that dumb bitch didn't get elected..

Talking about "some other daughter"... no you stupid bitch, he was talking about your whore of a Christian daughter that got knocked up..

[Manowar]

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Letterman was "clearly" speaking about the daughter that "got knocked up." But it's ok to suggest he is a pedo... thank god that dumb bitch didn't get elected..

Talking about "some other daughter"... no you stupid bitch, he was talking about your whore of a Christian daughter that got knocked up..

Im not defending Palin, I think she is a stupid bitch, but Biden isnt that much better

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Im not defending Palin, I think she is a stupid bitch, but Biden isnt that much better

Biden continually has a foot in his mouth and the other up Obama's ass. I'm for sure not rooting for the other team.

But something about Palin... she is a serious injustice to women, it's just sad that they even let her speak.

[justinsain]

Sarah Palin takes her 14 year old daughter to a baseball game and a few days later letterman says on his show that Palin took her daughter to a baseball game but things took a bad turn when her daughter got knocked up by a player in the seventh inning stretch.

He didn't specify that he was talking about the older one and that wouldn't make sense anyways because the older one wasn't at the game. I'd like to think someone fucked up and didn't think through the joke but none the less it was in extremely poor taste to say that an adult knocked up a child.

David letterman is extremely private with regards to his own family and for whatever reason he has for that he is hypocritical to have such disregard for someone else's child no matter who's it is.

This is an adult forum and people here should understand and frown on anything having to do with an adult " knocking up " a child. It's just not funny and it's tragic to say so with such a large audience. People think it's a jab at Sarah Palin but it's the daughter that feels the pain.

One of the rules of this forum is no personal attacks on a persons family and there's a reason for that. That reason should apply anywhere at anytime and it doesn't matter if it's a faceless person on the corner or a high profile politician. There isn't anything much weaker than attacking the child to get at the adult.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by justinsain

Sarah Palin takes her 14 year old daughter to a baseball game and a few days later letterman says on his show that Palin took her daughter to a baseball game but things took a bad turn when her daughter got knocked up by a player in the seventh inning stretch.

He didn't specify that he was talking about the older one and that wouldn't make sense anyways because the older one wasn't at the game. I'd like to think someone fucked up and didn't think through the joke but none the less it was in extremely poor taste to say that an adult knocked up a child.

David letterman is extremely private with regards to his own family and for whatever reason he has for that he is hypocritical to have such disregard for someone else's child no matter who's it is.

This is an adult forum and people here should understand and frown on anything having to do with an adult " knocking up " a child. It's just not funny and it's tragic to say so with such a large audience. People think it's a jab at Sarah Palin but it's the daughter that feels the pain.

One of the rules of this forum is no personal attacks on a persons family and there's a reason for that. That reason should apply anywhere at anytime and it doesn't matter if it's a faceless person on the corner or a high profile politician. There isn't anything much weaker than attacking the child to get at the adult.

I would agree with you, until you run for VP and have a chance of running for president later, and you just happen to be, a complete and utter moron, packed around a family of morons.

And if he was speaking of the other daughter, she isn't a Child, and she has time in the stupidity spot light, pure fault of her own.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I would agree with you, until you run for VP and have a chance of running for president later, and you just happen to be, a complete and utter moron, packed around a family of morons.

And if he was speaking of the other daughter, she isn't a Child, and she has time in the stupidity spot light, pure fault of her own.

No matter how stupid she may be, she still has the right to stand up for any of
her children especially when it comes to a huge TV star making sex jokes about them.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by Manowar

i am horny

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by sortie

No matter how stupid she may be, she still has the right to stand up for any of
her children especially when it comes to a huge TV star making sex jokes about them.

Sarah has to defend, she has no choice.. She is a super Christian right radical with a whore daughter attached to a family that pretends to have morals and thinks YOU should live by those fake moral values too.

[D Ghost]

palin is a dumbass

[MetaMan]

it never ceases to amaze me how big of a loser the average person is. you people actually go around and discuss what other people say because you live a boring life so you are forced to tune into the lives of others and critique them. and what is even worse you somehow think people really care about your opinion when in fact your opinion is based off your personal expierience in your loser life and everyone knows no one cares about losers.

there is an entire world out there get outside and stop worrying about what the media is feeding you.

you will most likely still be a loser but at least you wont be a loser that has your opinions formed on what is hype in the media that week. but you people wont listen to me, you will continue down the path of loserism and then when you hit your 70s you will look back and be to afraid to realize what a pointless loser life you lived and how much time you wasted worrying about mundane things.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

it never ceases to amaze me how big of a loser the average person is. you people actually go around and discuss what other people say because you live a boring life so you are forced to tune into the lives of others and critique them. and what is even worse you somehow think people really care about your opinion when in fact your opinion is based off your personal expierience in your loser life and everyone knows no one cares about losers.

there is an entire world out there get outside and stop worrying about what the media is feeding you.

you will most likely still be a loser but at least you wont be a loser that has your opinions formed on what is hype in the media that week. but you people wont listen to me, you will continue down the path of loserism and then when you hit your 70s you will look back and be to afraid to realize what a pointless loser life you lived and how much time you wasted worrying about mundane things.

Says the man who makes multiple threads about his imaginary studly penis.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by BVF

Says the man who makes multiple threads about his imaginary studly penis.

you are second class to me, what it boils down to is i am better then you.

what makes you think i care what you think? i only speak truths.

you have at least accepted your life as a loser fucking crackheads and living in places in the world where you fit in with other local scum so i have to applaud you for that.

many losers never know their place on earth you have found yours, live on BVF live on.

[TheDoc]

"Let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone..."

[Sausage]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Sarah has to defend, she has no choice.. She is a super Christian right radical with a whore daughter attached to a family that pretends to have morals and thinks YOU should live by those fake moral values too.

Wow ... a radical left wing nutjob ... congrats for coming out idiot.

You have managed to miss the point entirely moron.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Sausage

Wow ... a radical left wing nutjob ... congrats for coming out idiot.

You have managed to miss the point entirely moron.

I'm for very small gov, state control, well funded but tight military, war when we have no choice left, prop tax codes, huge tax cuts for business, yet support social medical and the peoples absolute right to freedom of choice..

I'm left or.. wait, what am I, cause it looks right too.. I support our constitution, not a fad called left or right..

[SuckOnThis]

Once again this shows the hypocrisy of right wingers. Palin wants Letterman to apologize for his jokes, what about her apologizing for saying Obama 'pals with terrorists'? You can thank her, McCain, O'reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh and all the other whackos for fueling hatred for these nutjobs that are going around shooting abortion doctors and creating all this hatred in America. They are hoping Obama gets assassinated.

The right wing has turned into its own radical terrorist organization and are the biggest threat to this country.

[HeadPimp]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

"Let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone..."

Works for me since I don't ascribe to a Christian ethical code. If I haven't chosen to live by those rules then I can't be held in violation of them (ie. sinning).

So by that train of though, I am free of sin, now give me a big bag of rocks and some lineament for my pitching arm!

[sortie]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm for very small gov, state control, well funded but tight military, war when we have no choice left, prop tax codes, huge tax cuts for business, yet support social medical and the peoples absolute right to freedom of choice..

I'm left or.. wait, what am I, cause it looks right too.. I support our constitution, not a fad called left or right..

You are so way off topic that it's stupid.

The topic is sex jokes about someone's children.

Save your political rant for a political topic.

I don't give a shit what her political views are; the joke was bullshit and she responded
with the appropriate amount of bullshit in return.


Bullshit gets Bullshit and I give here 2 points up for a good comeback line.

I like Letterman, but he opened the door to these kinds of crass jokes and
looks like he lost so far.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

it never ceases to amaze me how big of a loser the average person is. you people actually go around and discuss what other people say because you live a boring life so you are forced to tune into the lives of others and critique them. and what is even worse you somehow think people really care about your opinion when in fact your opinion is based off your personal expierience in your loser life and everyone knows no one cares about losers.

there is an entire world out there get outside and stop worrying about what the media is feeding you.

you will most likely still be a loser but at least you wont be a loser that has your opinions formed on what is hype in the media that week. but you people wont listen to me, you will continue down the path of loserism and then when you hit your 70s you will look back and be to afraid to realize what a pointless loser life you lived and how much time you wasted worrying about mundane things.

Oh the irony.

I hope you typed that in on your blackberry while lying on the beach.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

you are second class to me, what it boils down to is i am better then you.

what makes you think i care what you think? i only speak truths.

you have at least accepted your life as a loser fucking crackheads and living in places in the world where you fit in with other local scum so i have to applaud you for that.

many losers never know their place on earth you have found yours, live on BVF live on.

Fuckin eh, Meta. You have 22k posts. If that doesn't scream player, I don't know what does.

[teg0]

Originally Posted by sortie

When people scroll thru video one frame at a time to find the dumbest looking
freeze frame expression they can find to post on the front page of yahoo then
they are just as lame as those they try to label.

This is a dark day when I defend Sarah Palin.

And she had every right to bust on Letterman by implying the pedo label because
he started the sex jokes about her child.

This is not an endorsement; just calling 'em like I see 'em.

whatever she can do to keep her name in the headlines

[Sukiho]

Palin thinks this is news, its not, its gossip

[BVF]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

you are second class to me, what it boils down to is i am better then you.

what makes you think i care what you think? i only speak truths.

you have at least accepted your life as a loser fucking crackheads and living in places in the world where you fit in with other local scum so i have to applaud you for that.

many losers never know their place on earth you have found yours, live on BVF live on.

Translation......"My cock is teenie, so I make up imaginary stories about my sexual prowess to make myself feel better"....

You need to learn to just live with it.

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by sortie

No matter how stupid she may be, she still has the right to stand up for any of
her children especially when it comes to a huge TV star making sex jokes about them.

Agreed 100%. I never thought I'd be on the side of Palin but what's right is right.

And oh, fuck letterman that lowlife douchebag.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by sortie

No matter how stupid she may be, she still has the right to stand up for any of
her children especially when it comes to a huge TV star making sex jokes about them.

Guess the dumb moose eating bitch should have thought about that before she dragged her prego kid all over the country putting her in the spotlight to try to get elected.

[LoveSandra]

what is this shit ?

[Joshua G]

lettermans joke was unfortunate. Palins reply has been less than dignified.

[Vendzilla]

Shes a hypocrite, her daugther got knocked up as a minor, so maybe she should practice at home what she preaches to the news media.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Guess the dumb moose eating bitch should have thought about that before she dragged her prego kid all over the country putting her in the spotlight to try to get elected.

Yeah, hiding her would have worked real well; especially since she was already a governor.

[dav3]

Palin, go back to Alaska and shut up. Dave, keep doing your thing man!

[kane]

To me this is a pretty cut and dry situation.

First, if Letterman and his writers made a mistake and thought it was the older girl with Palin, but made the joke about the younger one on accident he was wrong - he should have done his homework. He says he meant the older one even though it was the younger one with her. So in a round about way he apologized. She has every right to defend her kid and bash him for what he said. A 14 year old kid should be off limits.

If the joke was actually aimed at the older kid then it is fair game. The older kid is now 18 years old and has turned herself into a public figure. She has become a national spokesperson for teen pregnancy awareness and has made the rounds on the talk shows as well as giving interviews to many different magazines. If you are going to get knocked up at 17 and then use that fact to become a public figure you should expect that someone might take a shot or two at you. That said Palin can still defend her daughter.

Where this goes off the rails is what has since happened. Palin wants desperately to be one of the leaders of the republican party. She is part of the group that wants to hearken back to the days where the culture war raged. Where the republican party was owned and ran by the hardcore conservative christian right. So she has jumped all over this. She has made the rounds on the shows, in papers and anywhere there is a camera speaking out about how, "Liberal Hollywood" is attacking kids. Liberal Hollywood didn't attack anyone. A talk show host made a joke. Maybe it was a bad joke. Maybe it wasn't appropriate, but it was one person saying one thing. She is using this topic to now stir up the culture war again and try to fire up the conservative christian base of the party. She has turned it into a much bigger issue than it needed to be. Letterman made a joke. She and her husband bashed him and he apologized. That should be where it ends. She is now on a crusade to make sure everyone in the free world knows what happened and to me that is just as despicable as any joke about A-rod knocking up a 14 year old.

[ottyhotties]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Shes a hypocrite, her daugther got knocked up as a minor, so maybe she should practice at home what she preaches to the news media.

What world do you live in? Parents ATTEMPT to raise their children and teach their morals and values to their children; it's the choice of the child to live by them or not. Where I live in Michigan, solid fly over American values, teenagers get pregnant all the time and it doesn't reflect one bit on their parents or their parents values. Sarah Palin isn't a hypocrite because her child got pregnant! Joe Biden isn't a hypocrite because his daughter does cocaine and he voted and preached against people using drugs. I've had single mother situations in my own family and I know how my cousins were raised, they were raised quite well, and my cousins aren't whores and my Aunts and Uncles aren't hypocrites either.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ottyhotties

What world do you live in? Parents ATTEMPT to raise their children and teach their morals and values to their children; it's the choice of the child to live by them or not. Where I live in Michigan, solid fly over American values, teenagers get pregnant all the time and it doesn't reflect one bit on their parents or their parents values. Sarah Palin isn't a hypocrite because her child got pregnant! Joe Biden isn't a hypocrite because his daughter does cocaine and he voted and preached against people using drugs. I've had single mother situations in my own family and I know how my cousins were raised, they were raised quite well, and my cousins aren't whores and my Aunts and Uncles aren't hypocrites either.

God you are so full of shit, have you raised any kids? I've raised a daughter, I was a single parent, I looked at raiseing her as to what kind of adult I wanted her to be and I couldn't be happier. I was always in her ear about morals, about life and did so talking to her, not at her. Now she's in the Navy on a carrier, USS Ronald Reagon. She has 7 ribbon and her warfare pin after just 2 years. When she gets out, she wants to get into medicine. At 21, she doesn't do drugs, she hasn't dropped a kid and other than a guy that grabbed her butt, she hasn't hurt any one.

I mean don't you think if you had a daughter you wouldn't put her on birth control? Or are you that fucking stupid? Keep your ideas to yourself, your kids reflect your effort, too much and they run away, too little and you want to push them out the door. Find a balance between being a friend and being a parent, talk to your kids and make sure they understand life before they experience it. They are a product of how they are raised, My daughter has my sharp wit, it's due to her learning from me and not her friends and not the TV, raise a kid like mine and then you'll understand!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by kane

To me this is a pretty cut and dry situation.

First, if Letterman and his writers made a mistake and thought it was the older girl with Palin, but made the joke about the younger one on accident he was wrong - he should have done his homework. He says he meant the older one even though it was the younger one with her. So in a round about way he apologized. She has every right to defend her kid and bash him for what he said. A 14 year old kid should be off limits.

If the joke was actually aimed at the older kid then it is fair game. The older kid is now 18 years old and has turned herself into a public figure. She has become a national spokesperson for teen pregnancy awareness and has made the rounds on the talk shows as well as giving interviews to many different magazines.

If you are going to get knocked up at 17 and then use that fact to become a public figure you should expect that someone might take a shot or two at you. That said Palin can still defend her daughter.

Where this goes off the rails is what has since happened. Palin wants desperately to be one of the leaders of the republican party. She is part of the group that wants to hearken back to the days where the culture war raged. Where the republican party was owned and ran by the hardcore conservative christian right. So she has jumped all over this. She has made the rounds on the shows, in papers and anywhere there is a camera speaking out about how, "Liberal Hollywood" is attacking kids.

Liberal Hollywood didn't attack anyone. A talk show host made a joke. Maybe it was a bad joke. Maybe it wasn't appropriate, but it was one person saying one thing. She is using this topic to now stir up the culture war again and try to fire up the conservative christian base of the party. She has turned it into a much bigger issue than it needed to be. Letterman made a joke. She and her husband bashed him and he apologized. That should be where it ends.

She is now on a crusade to make sure everyone in the free world knows what happened and to me that is just as despicable as any joke about A-rod knocking up a 14 year old.

Quoted for Truth...

ADG

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by sortie

Oh the irony.

I hope you typed that in on your blackberry while lying on the beach.

O the irony you have a bullshit tube script which you waste time pushing instead of promoting something worthwhile. sortie you are a loser you are going no where.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Fuckin eh, Meta. You have 22k posts. If that doesn't scream player, I don't know what does.

i dont know you so im not gonna hate on you, i am far from a hater you get your stuff done then i have nothing but love for you. and no i am not a player i am a pimp.

Originally Posted by BVF

Translation......"My cock is teenie, so I make up imaginary stories about my sexual prowess to make myself feel better"....

You need to learn to just live with it.

nigga i enjoy you and your posts, you are original but you are not me, you are a peasant who i pray makes millions because of your originality but you were not born with it. you became what you are because of a series of unfortunate events with women who you probably impregnated and now you are forced to blend in with the shit of the world because these women got to you and they make what you are today.

i enoy you but if i walked into a place and you did not wash my feet i would smack you up sideways and then hopefully we could have a beer and of course YOU would be paying.

PS my cock is huge and that is a known fact, i dont care what you think negro i am on a "hoe nutha leval"

nigga i am born with this shit, i am gods gift to women. i am a natural pro you are a trained pro.

[JC Maldini]

I'm no Palin fan, but it amazes me the amount of hate for Palin. Other than running for VP, has she done anything that warrants this type of hate? The way that people describe her and her family is despicable. I don't care who you are and what opinions or politics you practice....there should be a certain level of class. You don't have to DESTROY someone if you disagree with them...just stick to your principles and carry yourself in a dignified manner. When you lower yourself to the name calling, you show your true lack of ability of being able to articulate your point of view.

If you keep letting them separate us by left and right, we will never win. BOTH PARTIES WORK FOR THE SAME MASTERS.

[kane]

Originally Posted by JC Maldini

I'm no Palin fan, but it amazes me the amount of hate for Palin. Other than running for VP, has she done anything that warrants this type of hate? The way that people describe her and her family is despicable. I don't care who you are and what opinions or politics you practice....there should be a certain level of class. You don't have to DESTROY someone if you disagree with them...just stick to your principles and carry yourself in a dignified manner. When you lower yourself to the name calling, you show your true lack of ability of being able to articulate your point of view.

If you keep letting them separate us by left and right, we will never win. BOTH PARTIES WORK FOR THE SAME MASTERS.

I think she elicits hate from people because she has a sense of entitelment that many members of the far reaches of both parities have. Both hyper-liberals and extreme-conservatives have this attitude like they are 100% correct and there is no room for discussion and they shouldn't be questioned about what they believe. She has that. Whenever you have that type of attitude you are asking for hatred from others. Another person that comes to mind in that category would be someone like Nancy Pelosi. She has her beliefs and she comes off as though anyone who doesn't agree with her is a true idiot.

She also loves to talk about "The Real America" or "The Rest of America" and that offends someone like me and a lot of other people. It comes off like if I don't agree with her than I am not a real American.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Letterman was "clearly" speaking about the daughter that "got knocked up." But it's ok to suggest he is a pedo... thank god that dumb bitch didn't get elected..

Talking about "some other daughter"... no you stupid bitch, he was talking about your whore of a Christian daughter that got knocked up..

Bristol is also a minor.

[kane]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Bristol is also a minor.

Actually she is 18, she turned 18 last October.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Palin

[DaddyHalbucks]

Yes, it very much is a double standard. The press completely ignored Chelsea Clinton (just as it should have). If Kathleen Sebelius were called a "slutty airline attendant" heads would roll and women's groups would march.

Palin and her children are targets because of their politics, and because the American Left is ruthless.

Palin is a true reformer, and Alaska is the better for it, and our country would be better with her in national office.

However, the whole Bristol Palin abstinence campaign is absurd. Yes, it is completely ridiculous that Bristol Palin is arguing for abstinence so soon on the heels of her teen pregnancy. She should have stayed home with her baby and kept her mouth shut.

The bottom line: Letterman was way out of line.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by kane

Actually she is 18, she turned 18 last October.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Palin

Well, she is close enough that the press could cut her some slack for another few years. She is still a kid for practical purposes.

[ottyhotties]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I mean don't you think if you had a daughter you wouldn't put her on birth control? Or are you that fucking stupid?

So, Palin is a hypocrite because of birth control? Does Palin preach abstinence in public? Yes. Does Palin preach abstinence to her children and because of her religious beliefs hasn't put them on the pill? Yes. Tell me though how is Palin being a hypocrite? She does what she says and does what she believes, unless being a hypocrite has some new definition I'm not aware of. I never knew "hypocrite" meant having a policy difference with someone.

No doubt, Vendzilla, you influenced your daughter in positive ways (Happy Fathers Day next Sunday) but in the end the choices your daughter made were hers to make. Had your daughter made a poor choice in her life, it wouldn't have been a reflection on your parenting or your efforts. How many times have you seen in good families siblings being polar opposites from each other and they have the same parents? The reason that happens is kids are individuals and some will grow up and make stupid choices. Even the best parents in the world can have kids who turn out bad. A kid's poor choices should never label parents as automatically being hypocrites or them being poor parents!

[kane]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Well, she is close enough that the press could cut her some slack for another few years. She is still a kid for practical purposes.

This is the standard response a lot of people (mostly republican) are making. Here is my question: First, she has made herself into a public person. She has done dozens of interviews for TV and print. This right from the Wiki: "In 2009 she worked with the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy to ask teens to abstain from having sex." So if abstinence didn't work for her, but she is out preaching the virtues of it, should she not then be available for criticism?

Second, what age is appropriate? At 18 years old you are considered old enough to vote and decide what direction the country should take. You are old enough to choose to smoke if you wish. If you commit a crime you will be considered and tried for that crime as an adult. You are old enough to join the Army and fight (potentially die) for the country. You are old enough to be in charge of your own finances and if you screw up and run up a bunch of debt that you can't pay, they don't just say, "Well, she is only 18, close enough to still being a kid, we will let this one slide." So you are old enough for all of these things, yet not old enough to take criticism for something you have taken a public stance on? If not 18 then when?

If she had never taken any public stance I would agree with most people that she is off limits. She had limited control over the fact that her mom ran her out there like a dog and pony show during the election, but when the election was over she very well could have just asked for her privacy and gone back into obscurity. If that had been the case I would say she should be left alone and jokes about her should be off limits. But she chose to take a public stance and make herself into a public figure. If you are going to stand in front of people and tell them what you think they should do then you need to be ready for people who don' agree with you to voice that criticism.

[kane]

Originally Posted by ottyhotties

So, Palin is a hypocrite because of birth control? Does Palin preach abstinence in public? Yes. Does Palin preach abstinence to her children and because of her religious beliefs hasn't put them on the pill? Yes. Tell me though how is Palin being a hypocrite? She does what she says and does what she believes, unless being a hypocrite has some new definition I'm not aware of. I never knew "hypocrite" meant having a policy difference with someone.

No doubt, Vendzilla, you influenced your daughter in positive ways (Happy Fathers Day next Sunday) but in the end the choices your daughter made were hers to make. Had your daughter made a poor choice in her life, it wouldn't have been a reflection on your parenting or your efforts. How many times have you seen in good families siblings being polar opposites from each other and they have the same parents? The reason that happens is kids are individuals and some will grow up and make stupid choices. Even the best parents in the world can have kids who turn out bad. A kid's poor choices should never label parents as automatically being hypocrites or them being poor parents!

I agree. I don't agree with much Palin says or does, but she is not a hypocrite. She is the genuine article. She preaches abstinence and when it didn't work, she didn't stop preaching it. She has her beliefs and she is sticking by them no matter what people say about her.

As for kids and their parent's influence...I don't have kids, but my brother and most of my friends do. You can only give your kid so much information, values, morals. Eventually they are going to make a choice to believe in them or not. Often times kids do exactly the opposite that you want them to because they want to rebel, it is natural for them to feel that. I know a few people who are ultra-religious and conservative and in both their cases their kids were hellions behind the backs. they smoked, drank, had sex and did everything they were told not to. In the end you can just give your kids information and hope they listen to it and use it when it comes to making decisions.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ottyhotties

So, Palin is a hypocrite because of birth control? Does Palin preach abstinence in public? Yes. Does Palin preach abstinence to her children and because of her religious beliefs hasn't put them on the pill? Yes. Tell me though how is Palin being a hypocrite? She does what she says and does what she believes, unless being a hypocrite has some new definition I'm not aware of. I never knew "hypocrite" meant having a policy difference with someone.

No doubt, Vendzilla, you influenced your daughter in positive ways (Happy Fathers Day next Sunday) but in the end the choices your daughter made were hers to make. Had your daughter made a poor choice in her life, it wouldn't have been a reflection on your parenting or your efforts. How many times have you seen in good families siblings being polar opposites from each other and they have the same parents? The reason that happens is kids are individuals and some will grow up and make stupid choices. Even the best parents in the world can have kids who turn out bad. A kid's poor choices should never label parents as automatically being hypocrites or them being poor parents!

Most parents these days phone in their parenting, they don't have the time or just don't make the time to be a parent, people that are religious are usually the worse, they have no flexibility, others forgot what it was like when they were kids. I never did, maybe why I like cartoons still at my age. I read to my kid till she could read better than me at night at bedtime. I was always asking her what her thoughts were about something, making it so that her opinion mattered to me, and when it was something i had a problem with, I told her, because we discussed most things, it was easy. I still had strick rules, I met all her friends and told her why, I talked to the parents of her friends. I visited their house. I met all her teachers and helped get one fired. And god helped the idiots that harassed her on the way to school one day, I got a phone call, found the kids and well, they didn't bother anyone again. I just got $100 to the defensive tackle of the football team, told the kids he was on call and would beat the shit out of them if I call him for any reason!

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

nigga i enjoy you and your posts, you are original but you are not me, you are a peasant who i pray makes millions because of your originality but you were not born with it. you became what you are because of a series of unfortunate events with women who you probably impregnated and now you are forced to blend in with the shit of the world because these women got to you and they make what you are today..

Sigh....Another Canadian Peckerwood with a small pecker....Nobody believes your bullshit lil poindexter.