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Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 10:10 AM

50 very short crazy dictators.

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by meatboss

You fucking idiots have no concept of reality whatsoever

We are a single species that is highly primitive, parasitic, pathetic.

Go turn your head off.

pretty vague blanket statement.

meatboss · 05-25-2010, 10:15 AM

North Korea = Bad
America = Good

How that for some more on

sortie · 05-25-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

1. The U.S. Military did not lose that war. The politicians did.

Have you ever heard the word "denial".

Oh fucking boy are you in it.

You sir are the most dangerous man in America.
You are so because your insufferable ignorance will lead us down the path
into the final conflict that we cannot possibly win and the result we be the
end of our freedom as we fall into the control of our enemies.

Watch these videos and see if the politicians are the ones causing this.
Try to make this your last day of being fucking ignorant and spreading garbage that
is getting into the minds of young people and making them the dumbest people on earth.

We lost because we got beat.....fucking get over it.

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by meatboss

North Korea = Bad
America = Good

How that for some more on

Well, North Korea isn't really even the trouble.
There's no question that we can easily eliminate NK from the planet. The trouble comes with their big brother: China.

crockett · 05-25-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

What scares me is the advancing age of guys like Kim Jong and Kadafi ... Guys like this get a terminal disease or major health problems just might decide to go out with a bang.

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Well the deal with most dictators is they typically don't over step their bounds out side their own countries unless they think they can get away with it. Saddam for example didn't actually expect the US to get involved if he attacked Kuwait.

The dictators want to keep their power above anything and all else, thus avoid doing anything that will really piss off the outside world enough to cause a reaction. The difference with N.K and Kim Jong is I really do believe that guy is a lunatic.

I think it's only a matter of time before he does something that causes an all out war as he has convinced himself he can get away with it.

baddog · 05-25-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cyber

Russia did play a major part in the war - and in fact they were what started turning the tide against Germany (they're also the ones who stormed Berlin!). BUT, Russia had a huge advantage over N. Korea (and Germany) : fuck-off cold-ass winters that froze many Germans to death.

Besides, warfare is much different now than it was back then. I'm not saying it was trench warfare (a la WWI), but now we've got precision missiles, planes you can't hear/see/detect, PLUS most countries in the world would side AGAINST N. Korea.

Pretty sure the only reason the Russians are the ones that entered Berlin first is because we let them.

Everything else is spot on.

cwd · 05-25-2010, 10:22 AM

S Korea wants nothing to do with a war with N Korea.

Seoul is spitting distance from the border and with 10 million people (over 24 million in the metro area) you are talking about huge casualties. Nearly half the entire countries population lives in the metro area and Seoul is one of the top 10 financial centers in the world.
N Korea knows they can get away with all kinds of shit cause the South won't risk full scale war.
No matter what other countries would get involved it would be S and N that would be fucked...

RedGlamourStudio · 05-25-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

It looks like it was a very BIG surprise for the ppl. here. Guys, don't you really know that NK army is over 1 million?

why not? are you hear well-known Russian joke about the Vietnamese army? Sergant Si Ni Zin, colonel Pu Tin, capral Yel Zin, privat Mir Zo Yanz, ets...

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

We lost because we got beat.....fucking get over it.

Read some actual Vietnam history for a change and stop getting your "resources" from YouTube. It was a highly unpopular war and the politicians put so many restrictions on the leaders on the ground as to how & when they could operate and with what level of force throughout the entire war that "winning" was not possible. This is not my opinion, it is fact. It is documented history.

We won every single battle in Vietnam, yet still lost the war. Why? Because of this rule: When the tactics are right, but the strategy is wrong, battles will be won, but the war will be lost. And who are the people in charge of the strategy? Washington.

I recommend you read "Vietnam At War" The History 1946-1975 by Phillip B. Davidson
It is an excellent history covering all three stages of the Indochina wars.

scottybuzz · 05-25-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Here in the United States we like to think we won WWII and our contribution was so huge, but the truth was it Russia's numbers is what won the war. Russia just over ran Germany with sheer numbers. Take a look at how many people Russia lost during WWII - some twenty million people? And they STILL beat down the Germans.

Totally agree.
What many people fail to realise is that Russia after World War 2 had 90% of the world's tanks. Had the bomb not been invented, they would have surely used them to wipe out everyone and we would now be speaking Russian.

HEAT · 05-25-2010, 10:46 AM

VS.

RedGlamourStudio · 05-25-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Pretty sure the only reason the Russians are the ones that entered Berlin first is because we let them.

Everything else is spot on.

ok, show me US or UK troops on this map - April 16 - 8 May

theking · 05-25-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

That is true, but even if they didnt hit their exact targets it wouldn't matter, millions would die. Then maybe US would nuke NK? They would obliterate NK and in doing so destroy SK and more.
I believe the original hiroshima nuke was a one ton bomb. Of course a mega ton is 1000 times the size and we are talking 10 and 20 mega ton bombs. US has some 50 mega ton bombs.
Even on a comparatively small scale nuclear exchange, this is a no win scenario.

The nukes the U.S. used in the 2nd World War were a few thousand Kilotons. The bombs that North Korea has tested were smaller than that. Most of our nukes are 1 Megaton bombs but we have missils with multiple rentry war heads usually with five 1 Megaton bombs. We have tested much larger bombs and do have larger bombs in our arsenal but they would only be used in a "dooms day" type scenario.

North Korea is only a match for South Korea...end of story.

flip.green · 05-25-2010, 10:54 AM

Nothing like mid day blood lust and war mongering to kick the day into high gear.
My question is where is the US supposed to get troops to fight this hypothetical third war?
Besides aren't we supposed to be invading Iran next?

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by flip.green

Nothing like mid day blood lust and war mongering to kick the day into high gear.
My question is where is the US supposed to get troops to fight this hypothetical third war?
Besides aren't we supposed to be invading Iran next?

I'm sure Iran is watching. School is in session.

theking · 05-25-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Read some actual Vietnam history for a change and stop getting your "resources" from YouTube. It was a highly unpopular war and the politicians put so many restrictions on the leaders on the ground as to how & when they could operate and with what level of force throughout the entire war that "winning" was not possible. This is not my opinion, it is fact. It is documented history.

We won every single battle in Vietnam, yet still lost the war. Why? Because of this rule: When the tactics are right, but the strategy is wrong, battles will be won, but the war will be lost. And who are the people in charge of the strategy? Washington.

I recommend you read "Vietnam At War" The History 1946-1975 by Phillip B. Davidson
It is an excellent history covering all three stages of the Indochina wars.

You are 100% correct.

RedGlamourStudio · 05-25-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

Totally agree.
What many people fail to realise is that Russia after World War 2 had 90% of the world's tanks. Had the bomb not been invented, they would have surely used them to wipe out everyone and we would now be speaking Russian.

90%???
first half 1945:
US - 11300 tanks
UK - 1700 tanks
USSR- 15450 tanks
65\45%, no?
more info here http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/BTVT/?page=4

sortie · 05-25-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Read some actual Vietnam history for a change

I read my fathers lips when he returned from fighting in Vietnam....both times.

He did two tours(purple heart and congressional medal of honor)

I then joined ROTC in college and studied every war before being commisioned
as a officer in the rank of 2nd lieutenant in the United State Army.

You're an insufferable idiot with no military service or education.

You are what "evil leaders" feared about "free speech".
They feared the ignorant voices would drown out the educated who actually held the facts.

It happened.

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

I read my fathers lips when he returned from fighting in Vietnam....both times.

He did two tours(purple heart and congressional medal of honor)

I then joined ROTC in college and studied every war before being commisioned
as a officer in the rank of 2nd lieutenant in the United State Army.

You're an insufferable idiot with no military service or education.

You are what "evil leaders" feared about "free speech".
They feared the ignorant voices would drown out the educated who actually held the facts.

It happened.

LOL, you're on some serious drugs dude.
So you were an ROTC kid and a butter bar. Good for you. It doesn't change history.
And for the record, I was in the 1st Infantry Division (Big Red One) in the first Iraq war in '91, where the genius college butter bars were telling us to shine our boots in the desert while wearing their shiny gold rank on a fucking battlefield. Guess they don't teach you lieutenants about not getting shot. Oh, and yes, I have been to college.

theking · 05-25-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Have you ever heard the word "denial".

Oh fucking boy are you in it.

You sir are the most dangerous man in America.
You are so because your insufferable ignorance will lead us down the path
into the final conflict that we cannot possibly win and the result we be the
end of our freedom as we fall into the control of our enemies.

Watch these videos and see if the politicians are the ones causing this.
Try to make this your last day of being fucking ignorant and spreading garbage that
is getting into the minds of young people and making them the dumbest people on earth.

We lost because we got beat.....fucking get over it.

We withdrew our troops in '73. Those videos were made in '75 when the South Vietnamese Army was defeated.

Sly · 05-25-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

I read my fathers lips when he returned from fighting in Vietnam....both times.

He did two tours(purple heart and congressional medal of honor)

I then joined ROTC in college and studied every war before being commisioned
as a officer in the rank of 2nd lieutenant in the United State Army.

You're an insufferable idiot with no military service or education.

You are what "evil leaders" feared about "free speech".
They feared the ignorant voices would drown out the educated who actually held the facts.

It happened.

You were a second lieutenant in the United States Army and now spend your days spewing hate on GFY. What happened?

flip.green · 05-25-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm sure Iran is watching. School is in session.

Sure, and they will see everyone back down again. Be encouraged and go after that nuke of theirs even harder.

JP-pornshooter · 05-25-2010, 11:10 AM

so lets not forget that both sides of the demilitairzed zone have nukes, Seoul is easy within reach.
a statement on NPR this morning struck me as being essential .."it will be a short but bloody war..."

btw, that ship which was torpedoed, was it NOT in N Korean waters?
very close resemblance to the begin of Vietnam war.

Rochard · 05-25-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You are comparing North Korea to Germany? Germany was pushing technology, hard. North Korea is buying technology and they have China to help with technology, but it's still no Germany.

Not at all. I'm comparing North Korea to Russia during WWII.

NK's military is backwards, poorly trained, and poorly armed - just like Russia during WWII. However, with their numbers.... They can do some serious fucking damage.

I understand the art of warfare has changed drastically in the past sixty years and handful of people can kill the enemy by the thousands while sitting in a room thousands of miles away, but still.... That's one of the world's largest armies there.

Rochard · 05-25-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Our involvement in WWII is what transformed us into the superpower we are today. If the U.S. hadn't gotten involved, Europe would look very different today.

Europe sure would look different today. They would all be speaking Russian.

sortie · 05-25-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You were a second lieutenant in the United States Army and now spend your days spewing hate on GFY. What happened?

30 years happened.

I'm spewing truth that you hate, not spewing hate that's not truth.

directfiesta · 05-25-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Pretty sure the only reason the Russians are the ones that entered Berlin first is because we let them.

Everything else is spot on.

sure did let them...

Popov: hey yankee
Yankee : what popov ?
Popov: can you slow down a bit
Yankee : why we are just at normal pace ...
Popov : well, we are really far away, and on foot.
Yankee: so motherfucker, what do you want
Popov: well, maybe you could get laid somewhere by a fraulein... so we can enter first in Berlin..
Yankee : frauleins have no dick I hope ...
Popov : only dicks are you guys ....

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The Battle of Berlin was the final major offensive of the European Theatre of World War II and was designated the Berlin Strategic Offensive Operation by the Soviet Union.[nb 5]

Starting on 16 January 1945, the Red Army breached the German front as a result of the Vistula?Oder Offensive and rapidly advanced westward as fast as 30?40 kilometres a day, through East Prussia, Lower Silesia, East Pomerania, and Upper Silesia, temporarily halting on a line 60 kilometres east of Berlin along the Oder River. During the offensive, two Soviet fronts (army groups) attacked Berlin from the east and south, while a third overran German forces positioned north of Berlin. The Battle in Berlin lasted from late 20 April 1945 until the morning of 2 May and was one of the bloodiest battles in history.

The first defensive preparations at the outskirts of Berlin were on 20 March, when the newly appointed commander of the Army Group Vistula, General Gotthard Heinrici, correctly anticipated that the main Soviet thrust would be made over the Oder River. Before the main battle in Berlin commenced, the Soviets managed to encircle the city as a result of the smaller Battles of the Seelow Heights and Halbe. During 20 April 1945, the 1st Belorussian Front led by Marshal Georgy Zhukov started shelling Berlin's city centre, while Marshal Ivan Konev's 1st Ukrainian Front had pushed in the north through the last formations of Army Group Centre. The German defences were mainly led by Helmuth Weidling and consisted of several depleted, badly equipped, and disorganised Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS divisions, as well as many Volkssturm and Hitler Youth members. Within the next days, the Soviets were rapidly advancing through the city and were reaching the city centre, conquering the Reichstag on 30 April after fierce fighting.

Before the battle was over, German Führer Adolf Hitler and many of his followers committed suicide. The city's defenders finally surrendered on 2 May. However, fighting continued to the north-west, west and south-west of the city until the end of the war in Europe on 8 May (9 May in the Soviet Union) as German units fought westward so that they could surrender to the Western Allies rather than to the Soviets.

USA RULES !!!!

theking · 05-25-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

30 years happened.

I'm spewing truth that you hate, not spewing hate that's not truth.

Well...the truth is...the videos you posted were of the defeat of the South Vietnamese Army in '75 and not of the defeat of the U.S. Army as the U.S. withdrew its forces in '73.

Caligari · 05-25-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

The nukes the U.S. used in the 2nd World War were a few thousand Kilotons. The bombs that North Korea has tested were smaller than that. Most of our nukes are 1 Megaton bombs but we have missils with multiple rentry war heads usually with five 1 Megaton bombs. We have tested much larger bombs and do have larger bombs in our arsenal but they would only be used in a "dooms day" type scenario.

North Korea is only a match for South Korea...end of story.

I didn't say there was a match involved, i said neither would win.
And yes you are right, known NK nukes are much smaller-
"U.S. officials said prior to the North's May 25, 2009 nuclear test it had produced about 50 kg (110 lb) of plutonium, which proliferation experts said would be enough for six to eight nuclear weapons. The North has since said it extracted more fissile material from spent fuel rods cooling at Yongbyon, which experts said could provide it with material for one more bomb."

Still, a nuke exchange between the two countries would destroy them, if not immediately the fallout would do the rest. Its still a no-win situation.

Cyber Fucker · 05-25-2010, 11:33 AM

scary

sortie · 05-25-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

LOL, you're on some serious drugs dude.
So you were an ROTC kid and a butter bar. Good for you. It doesn't change history.
And for the record, I was in the 1st Infantry Division (Big Red One) in the first Iraq war in '91, where the genius college butter bars were telling us to shine our boots in the desert while wearing their shiny gold rank on a fucking battlefield. Guess they don't teach you lieutenants about not getting shot. Oh, and yes, I have been to college.

That's very interesting that polishing boots would come up especially since
the BDU came into the military in the 1980.

BDU = Battle Dress Uniform.

BDU policy prohibited the polishing of boots or the ironing of the uniform
except when in garrison.

So, you claim that an officer violated military policy and told you to shine boots
in the desert even though the boot is a desert boot that can't be shined.

If you claim that you put polish on those boots then you are either the biggest liar in
the world or the biggest idiot ever.

Give it up.

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

30 years happened.

I'm spewing truth that you hate, not spewing hate that's not truth.

So tell us Lieutenant, did you ever get promoted? Did you ever go to war? Or did you sit in an air-conditioned office for a few years while you rewrote history?

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

That's very interesting that polishing boots would come up especially since
the BDU came into the military in the 1980.

BDU = Battle Dress Uniform.

BDU policy prohibited the polishing of boots or the ironing of the uniform
except when in garrison.

So, you claim that an officer violated military policy and told you to shine boots
in the desert even though the boot is a desert boot that can't be shined.

If you claim that you put polish on those boots then you are either the biggest liar in
the world or the biggest idiot ever.

Give it up.

Only lieutenants got the desert boots in '91 Iraq. The rest of us were wearing black issue boots, and yes... the butter bars violated policy and had us shining boots in the desert. they wanted us to look good while we dug their foxholes for them.

sortie · 05-25-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Well...the truth is...the videos you posted were of the defeat of the South Vietnamese Army in '75 and not of the defeat of the U.S. Army as the U.S. withdrew its forces in '73.

Feel free to go deny the Holocaust too if you want, that will not make me deny
the facts as presented to me by the United States Military in my training to become
an officer.

We lost Vietnam, get over it.

Caligari · 05-25-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Google is your friend.

"Nuke tons" are not the weight of the bomb but the explosive power of the bomb
expressed as the equivalent of TNT.

A 1 ton nuke would be like dropping 1 ton on TNT(dynamite).

Doesn't it seem stupid to go through all the trouble to build a nuke when you can
just drop a fucking box of TNT weighing a ton?

Doesn't it also seem completely stupid that we have a plane that could actually
get off the fucking ground with something in it that weighed 50 Mega tons?

Alright I skewed my words there, but i was talking about explosive force.

But look genius, the devastation of a nuclear weapon is two-fold: the initial explosion and the radioactive fallout afterwards.
So no, dropping a one ton box of tnt out of a plane is no where near the equivalent.

theking · 05-25-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Feel free to go deny the Holocaust too if you want, that will not make me deny
the facts as presented to me by the United States Military in my training to become
an officer.

We lost Vietnam, get over it.

I spent 12 years on active duty with the 82nd Airborne...engaged on three different fields of battle and I have attended Univerity and am a student of war...so I too know a little about the military and war. We lost Vietnam...not because we were defeated on the field of battle...but because of piss poor micro management by our civilian leaders...as Amp stated.

sortie · 05-25-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Only lieutenants got the desert boots in '91 Iraq. The rest of us were wearing black issue boots, and yes... the butter bars violated policy and had us shining boots in the desert. they wanted us to look good while we dug their foxholes for them.

I give you credit on creative stories to cover your ass when you blew it by telling that lie
to begin with, but that's it.

See ya, I don't get any benefit out of trying to enlighten you.
You're insufferable.

BestXXXPorn · 05-25-2010, 11:57 AM

The S Korean RoK Marines are some of the toughest bastards on the planet. I had the pleasure of cross training with them while I was in the USMC. They are a rough bunch. I've spent months in the jungle out there and the conditions are bruuuuutal.

I've seen enough war simulations about N Korea to know how we'd attack the country if it went down... the part that sucks is it's a lot of ground war...

BestXXXPorn · 05-25-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

I give you credit on creative stories to cover your ass when you blew it by telling that lie
to begin with, but that's it.

See ya, I don't get any benefit out of trying to enlighten you.
You're insufferable.

It's not a lie...

"In the 1991 Gulf War, Iraqi soldiers nicknamed the Marines "Angels of Death". Another so-called term of endearment for Marines was "blackboots". This was due to supply shortages, leaving tan, desert boots unavailable to most Marine units. Haitians called Marines participating in relief operations "whitesleeves" because of the way they roll up the sleeves of their utility uniform, called "cammies" colloquially. In Somalia, they were referred to as "The Devils in black boots", due to their rapid deployment preventing them from acquiring desert boots."

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

I give you credit on creative stories to cover your ass when you blew it by telling that lie
to begin with, but that's it.

See ya, I don't get any benefit out of trying to enlighten you.
You're insufferable.

ROFL! You're a riot dude. I knew butter bars were fucking dumb, but I am seriously doubting you were ever a lieutenant anywhere. And go read a fucking history book dumbass. It's not like this shit is a theory. Idiot.

sortie · 05-25-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

I spent 12 years on active duty with the 82nd Airborne...engaged on three different fields of battle and I have attended Univerity and am a student of war...so I too know a little about the military and war. We lost Vietnam...not because we were defeated on the field of battle...but because of piss poor micro management by our civilian leaders...as Amp stated.

82nd Airborne.

OOOOHHH BRO!!!!!

Don't talk that shit unless you can back that up!!!

Back it up. Name the most famous street known to all soldiers who ever
served in the 82nd Airborne.

Every soldier knows the street, because almost every soldier went to that street.

Name it.

Or bullshit on you, you never served in the 82nd. No Way!

CDSmith · 05-25-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Feel free to go deny the Holocaust too if you want, that will not make me deny
the facts as presented to me by the United States Military in my training to become
an officer.

We lost Vietnam, get over it.

Lost, yes. Amp is just clarifying the why of it. And he's right. Had the US military not been so handcuffed over there that war would have turned out vastily different. For one thing, the VC died by the hundreds of thousands. 1.1 million total, according to the North Vietnamese gov't. The US? By comparison a mere 58 thousand and change. In the Vietnam airspace the kill ratios were staggeringly lopsided in favor of the US.

In this case "we lost" just doesn't quite say it. The fact is the other side had the numbers, the US had the equipment and training but operated on the whim of a group on polititians and a country that wasn't in support of the war. There's very little doubt that had the US gone whole hog in that war, well, it's no mystery what new outcome would have been.

"We lost" yes, but I think in this case the 'why' is an importan consideration. And TheKing is right, those vids you posted were of the S Vietnam military being defeated, not the US military, who had pulled out long before that. Had they not pulled out none of that would have happend, the war would have gone on indefinitely or until the US leaders (and people) decided to step it up and throw 100% of their military effort at it.

Sly · 05-25-2010, 12:12 PM

Second Lt. training sounds like a cake walk. Where do I sign up? Wouldn't mind that pension.

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Lost, yes. Amp is just clarifying the why of it. And he's right. Had the US military not been so handcuffed over there that war would have turned out vastily different. For one thing, the VC died by the hundreds of thousands. 1.1 million total, according to the North Vietnamese gov't. The US? By comparison a mere 58 thousand and change. In the Vietnam airspace the kill ratios were staggeringly lopsided in favor of the US.

In this case "we lost" just doesn't quite say it. The fact is the other side had the numbers, the US had the equipment and training but operated on the whim of a group on polititians and a country that wasn't in support of the war. There's very little doubt that had the US gone whole hog in that war, well, it's no mystery what new outcome would have been.

"We lost" yes, but I think in this case the 'why' is an importan consideration. And TheKing is right, those vids you posted were of the S Vietnam military being defeated, not the US military, who had pulled out long before that. Had they not pulled out none of that would have happend, the war would have gone on indefinitely or until the US leaders (and people) decided to step it up and throw 100% of their military effort at it.

yes, thank you dude. It is important because "we" didn't lose anything. "We" straight up kicked ass, even with the handcuffs on. I feel like it's attitudes like sortie's that diminishes every single Nam vet. "We lost". Well, maybe so. But some of "us" did our jobs, and some of "us" didn't.

sortie · 05-25-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

Alright I skewed my words there, but i was talking about explosive force.

But look genius, the devastation of a nuclear weapon is two-fold: the initial explosion and the radioactive fallout afterwards.
So no, dropping a one ton box of tnt out of a plane is no where near the equivalent.

You said the Hiroshima bomb was a 1 ton bomb.

Where did you "skew" any words?
Claiming it was a 1 ton bomb and now we have 50 megaton bombs
makes no sense no matter how you slice it.

It was a 13-18 Kilo ton bomb!

The only way to possibly call it a 1 ton bomb is if you thought it weighed a ton.
I mean, 1 ton is 17,999 tons off the mark.

You fucked up, admit and improve.

sortie · 05-25-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

ROFL! You're a riot dude. I knew butter bars were fucking dumb, but I am seriously doubting you were ever a lieutenant anywhere. And go read a fucking history book dumbass. It's not like this shit is a theory. Idiot.

What you think is history is nothing more than political garbage to make excuses
for the loss.

I've heard everything you claim before and it was all discredited by actual military
courses.

Westmoreland was to blame, politics were to blame etc... etc...

It's just excuses.

Excuses that nobody else in the entire world believes except Americans with
blind Tea Bagger mentality.

CDSmith · 05-25-2010, 12:27 PM

Speaking of countries having "the numbers", didn't I hear on the news that Iraq had like the 4th largest army in the world at the time of the gulf war(s)? Lots of personell, very little in the way of modern equipment, weapons, or training.

I'm with Sly, I too would take training and equipment over numbers any day. In this day and age Equipment and training are everything. Not sure how WWII got brought into it, just ONE of today's carriers could have anihilated the Pearl harbor attack force and wiped out the entire Japanese fleet. Then sailed to the Mediterranean and cleaned up the Nazis.

To those of you yakking on about how great Russia was in WWII you should really look up the term Lend-lease some time. Russia had the numbers but lacked the materials to fight the kind of war they needed to. The US sent over millions of dollars worth of munitions and materials via this program.

Everyone talks about what the Russians did, yet incredibly and invariably they leave this little detail out of the conversation.

Amputate Your Head · 05-25-2010, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie

What you think is history is nothing more than political garbage to make excuses
for the loss.

I've heard everything you claim before and it was all discredited by actual military
courses.

Westmoreland was to blame, politics were to blame etc... etc...

It's just excuses.

Excuses that nobody else in the entire world believes except Americans with
blind Tea Bagger mentality.

You're out of your mind.

BestXXXPorn · 05-25-2010, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie

What you think is history is nothing more than political garbage to make excuses
for the loss.

I've heard everything you claim before and it was all discredited by actual military
courses.

Westmoreland was to blame, politics were to blame etc... etc...

It's just excuses.

Excuses that nobody else in the entire world believes except Americans with
blind Tea Bagger mentality.

You sound just like a boot lieutenant :P "My military courses told me so!"

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