baddog

Hey idiot, when have I ever said that? EVERYTHING I have EVER said about your health care system was relayed to me by your brother Canadians.

Sly

I don't think they have black people in Canada.

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Glenn Beck is an entertainer, he's not a democrat or a republican, he's a libertarian, he believes in the Constitution and brings up things that the administration does that are against it.

I would hardly call the Tea Party a fringe group, I would call Bill Ayers, Obama's Friend a terrorist

I didn't like Bush either, I thought at the end of his term that the only thing he did that benefited the American People was keep us from having more attacks from terrorist.

I didn't like McCain either, but I liked Barry even worse, I mean come on, a politician from Chicago, known for corrupt government?

Sarah Palin was attacked for every little thing she did, why was the liberal press so afraid of her? Now she's getting bank for speaking her mind and is doing pretty good, do I want her as a president, NO, but Newt Gingrich, there's someone I could get behind, I have nothing but respect for that guy.

After Bush became president for a second term, I changed my party affiliation to independent. I have conservative views, I believe that the government waste money that if we changed that, would turn around the country and now I have a president that is wasting more money that any one president in history, and he's even raising racial tensions, I can't for the life of me say one thing I like about him, I even liked Jimmy Carter more than Obama

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think about that

The Dawg

+1 for you sir!

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Amputate Your Head

Sarah Palin is no saint. I'll remain polite and leave it at that.
Newt didn't bother me in the past because he was quiet, but lately he's been pushing into heavy agenda territory. The tea people have a very long way to go before anyone will take them seriously. There's Bachman who is notoriously nuts, Angle who is completely nuts, not sure who else is heading them up this week, they are completely unorganized. If we strip away the stuff that's totally insane and all the racist bullshit, what they're left with is still too extreme to ever grab a majority in any way. Nor do I think the GOP wants them usurping their position.

I agree though, the government wastes astronomical amounts of money. Why is it always the poor and middle class that get ass-fucked though? You want to look around the government for waste, it's always "fuck the little guy" is the first solution. That's my problem with conservatives.

Want to cut a ton of waste right now, today? End those two wars in the middle east. Wars the conservative leader of days of yore began. The fact that Obama hasn't done that, yeah it pisses me off. But I know McCain wouldn't end them. If the government had to audit themselves and tighten their belts on all fronts like the rest of us, we'd conceivably be able to cut an amazing amount of waste. But....

Here's my question: Why the fuck doesn't anyone ever do it?

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stocktrader23

He hasn't but to be fair he didn't claim he would.

Amputate Your Head

And how come Bush & Cheney have never been held accountable for their little Guantanamo torture camp?

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sperbonzo

Fact is that no matter which president is in office, it is the Congress that has the real power over domestic policy.

Personally I believe that the answer your question lies with Term Limits. Without them, a congressman's job simply becomes doing things that he/she thinks will get them re-elected. Quite often that involves giving money/tax incentives/boosts to pension funds/increases in government benefits/growing bureaucracy, etc, etc, etc... All growing government.

There is no incentive for a politician to make the hard short term choices that might benefit the country in the long term.

If we put term limits into the mix, then their first term would be more involved in living up to original positions taken during campaigns, and then the second would simply be doing what they thought was best to do, since there would be no possibility of re-election, and they would then have to go back to the real world of living under the laws, taxes, and bureaucracy's that they had created. Now they live in congress for 30 years, or at least leave with a life-time pension!

I don't offer it as a panacea, but it would at least be a step in the right direction IMHO.


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Johnnyv

I never post a response to posts like this, I just couldn't help myself.

What is frustrating about this post is the vehemence with which conservatives attack Obama. They feel it is justified because of the vehemence that Bush was attacked with for so many years. The problem is it is not just: "you hate our guy we'll hate your guy" for a myriad of reasons, none the least of them is that the U.S.A.and it's people are the losers.

No the real problem with this is that in September of 2001 while standing on top of the rubble that was 9/11 George W. Bush had a 93% approval rating. He then orchestrated the single worst presidency since.........well ever......and it was only after a long slow slide of fuck ups and poor management that the press, the people, his own party, really got on him and decided that he was the worst President in history. That is a fact.

Now, the party out of power, this time republicans, are treating Obama as if he has ALSO had dozens of fuck ups and deserves to be excoriated for every move he makes just like Bush was. It took folks a long time after the salad days of Clinton to turn on George Bush; 93% were on his side for a good while...me too. However as he slipped into tragedy after management tragedy he was criticized by the press, foreign and domestic and became literally the worst President we've ever had. Now the republican party is trying to make up a list: "Birthers" racism whatever they can find to make Obamas list look like a Bush list.

Your video tried to show Bush in a good light. I'll say it again: HE was the single worst President our country has ever had, including Nixon who I was around to see "resign". He was not a smart Man, he was not concerned with our country, he was and is an idiot, who rode Daddy s coat tails through college to Texas to the white house and tried to help his buddies anyway he could. He was a disaster.

His party however continues to keep our country behind and has done more to keep this country from moving forward out of this recession than anything Obama has "done" or not done. Keep saying "no" and nothing will happen, you'll prove Obama anemic and then you can reclaim the white house in 2012. The American people will lose, but more importantly our country looks moronic overseas. You will get the white house back, where you can place Sarah Palin....I'm not even going there.

The real tragedy is we finally have a smart guy, a true thinker in the white house and the republicans want him out because.....just because. The Republicans are not trying to help me. They are not trying to help you. We could lead this world, and instead the republicans tie the hands of a smart Man and then blame him for not pulling harder.

Just as an FYI, the reason Bush was so scorned by the press, and Obama seems to be getting a pass, is because this is Bush's list: (in no particular order)

Outing Valerie Plame (treason)
Abu Ghraib
Denying Global warming
Invading Iraq
Selling the Ports to Saudia Arabia
Harriet Meyers
NOT catching Osama Bin Laden
No bid government contracts
Hurricane Katrina (4 day wait to act)
Mis-use of the Patriot Act
Spying on Americans
Illegal Wire Taps
Guantanamo Bay
Cutting Gov. Regulations = destroying the economy
NOT supplying body armor to the troops he put in harms way
Going AWOL from The National Guard
Conservatives will love this one: Approving 787 Billion dollar stimulus plan for the destruction of the economy that he orchestrated over 8 years and then leaving the mess / blame and problems to Obama. Conservatives love to blame Obama for the stimulus and say he is a tax and spend liberal spending.....whatever they call him. (it was Bush)

I'm sure there are many many more, these are what coms to mind as I sit here. Again, my point is that before we retire Obama to history, while we have him in the white house, and he hasn't proven himself to be a disaster (like G.W.B. proved) lets give him a chance to get us out of this mess. Lets vote with him once or twice (even once) to see if this very smart guy, has it in him to move us forward.

Or...I guess we could sit around and just bitch about it some more.

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Once you go black you never go back.

Vendzilla

That's a very cool site, I'll pass it on, thanx
According to Glenn Beck, they would then become Civil Servants instead of Politicians

You lost me here

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think about that

Johnnyv

This is a very tangential to our original conversation, however some folks believe that we have reached a point of no return regarding Global warming and that our opportunity to embrace this as "real" and Man made and change the course of the trajectory came and went with the Kyoto treaty during the Bush white house. (G.W.B. did not attend.)

Minte

We are,haven't you been paying attention.

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charlie g

This is telling. Old Bush got fired in 92' because of the economy which seemed to get immediately better under clinton. Clinton got the accolades for fixing the economy. The economy started a downturn in the last quarter of clinton's last term, but he gets no credit for this. 9-11 happens and bush is blamed. bp oil spill on obama's watch and bush is blamed. Obama can't get anything done because the republicans block, but obama has the house and a super majority in the senate.... but the republicans are to blame because obama cant get things done?

Look, I don't like the republicans any better than the democrats. But it is disingenuous to criticize one party for the same thing the other does.

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charlie g

Quoted for comedy.

I love the part about Obama a "true thinker", but those wascially webublicans block all his genius moves. Well, if Obama is so clever, how can he be thwarted by a super minority republican senate and a minoruty house. Seems he should be able to get what he wants....which I think he has so far.

Bush was an idiot. But THE ONLY DIFFERENCE between bush and obama, besides 30 iq points, is the d and r after their names. Neither give a fuck about you, your family or anyone you know. All the trust you put in obama is because he speaks intelligently and is not gw. His hands aren't tied, they are busy in your pocket.

And for the obama believers........ what has he done that has helped the economy or the country for that matter?

Also, what has he proposed to help the country that the republicans shut him down on.... this should be good, I am waiting for this train wreck.

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Some are you are as dumb as humanly possible. GW was a shitty president. But Obama managed to do in 2 years what Bush barely did in 8, and that's fuck up our economy beyond belief. The guy might be articulate but that's about all he has going for him. He doesn't have any core values which is why he flip flops so often. He doesn't possess an inkling of economic knowledge which is why he kept Bernanke and Krugman around. The guy is an imbecile. Granted I would still take him over someone like Palin, but this fool is 4 and out.

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Now THIS is quoted for both comedy and truth.

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Vendzilla

maybe it was the beach front property that Al Gore bought after saying the oceans were going to rise because the ice melting, or the freeze that distroyed my garden in late aprile
or maybe because they changed the name from global warming to climate change because it wasn't getting warmer, if fact, we're having a mild summer in Redding california

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

Have you ever noticed that most progressives/liberals don't say I love my country, but conservatives say it all the time

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Tom_PM

Yes, I'm always paying attention.

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Tom_PM

911 happens and Bush is blamed.

You see a problem with this? "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Within The United States" was referred to as a "historical document" by condi rice. She called it merely a summary of concerns being passed down the line.

Condoleeza Rice also stated that the aluminum tubes found in iraq "were ONLY suitable for uranium enrichment". Years later when the documents from the inspectors were made public, they showed that while Rice was saying they were ONLY suitable for uranium, the experts actually reported to her that they were NOT suitable for uranium, and the only viable use for the aluminum tubes was for mortars.

Wolf Blitzer even had her nailed down on live tv, and that brain dead moron ALLOWED her to get off by saying "I stand by my statements at the time". Fucking idiot.

And if you all believe that Bush inherited 911 or some stupid bullshit, you are truly, seriously idiots.

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Sly

So then you are saying that the idiot that George W Bush was fucked up foreign policy so bad within nine months of taking office that it caused a historic act of terrorism?

Or are you saying that the idiot that George W Bush was somehow able to manufacture the massive conspiracy behind 9/11 within nine months of taking office?

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Yes, they are that blind.

Tom_PM

*I'm* saying that the denial of ANYTHING bad happening under Bush is so strong with some people that it renders their arguments 100% useless and futile! A total and complete waste of energy to engage them.

Also, look at what I said. The Bush administrations top officials responsible for the wars were lying. What is it when people are telling lies to the entire country for their own personal reasons? I forget the word and punishment for it.

By the way, if there is a successful attack on the US during ANYONES administration and they CLEARLY and blatantly ignored, missed, misinterpreted the most obvious obvious signs of it.. told lies to support their resulting actions... I'd call them fucking idiots and liars too. You cant let the same assholes rewrite history for their own benefit!

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Amputate Your Head

We're secure in our beliefs and goals. We don't need to constantly reassure ourselves or put on a lame patriotic front for the public. We're about gettin' shit done, no fluff required.

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stocktrader23

Bush fucked the economy, idiot.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...163437134.html

Even Murdoch owned WSJ knows better than to claim what you have.

sperbonzo

Actually, he takes a pretty balanced (for the leftish WSJ) view as to whether the present track of the administration is the correct one or not. He notes that economists differ on it, (although it's obvious what side he's on), and that the EU is concentrating now on cutting spending, not increasing it. Not really a lot of Bush Administration bashing here.... just talking about philosophies of governments and economists.


Good article.

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ReGGs

Yeah he is a real stand up guy. He had a mistress and divorced his wife while she was practically on her deathbed suffering from breast cancer.

Pretty sure that's gonna come up when if he decides to run.

stocktrader23

The article was fine but they do say that Bush was responsible for economy woes. As for the WSJ being leftist, that is in the past. Murdoch picked this up to further his agenda and they have gone far to the right.

stocktrader23

Idiot.

http://www.examiner.com/x-4383-Portl...-detector-test

Even the right wing cheerleader Elisabeth Hasselbeck thinks this woman is full of shit.

Sausage

Look ... i will save you some time and energy.

Just start learning Chinese. The direction you are headed means they will be in control soon (if not already). Learn some Chinese, it will aid you in the new world.

And before you Americans get all upset and have a tantrum, history has proven that nothing lasts forever. The fall of the US is so much like the fall or Rome and even many other world superpowers.. its frightening. Embrace the change .. its coming whether you like it or not.

Vendzilla

And the democrats believed it with what little proof was presented them, move on

I wasn't talking about politicians, I was talking about real people

And Obama fucked it more, whats your point you fucking moron?

Working in porn, you're going to bring up the guy likes sex, oh yeah, that will work, I'm more concerned about what he'll do if he becomes president and not focus on Monica's cigars

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think about that

sperbonzo

Uhhhhhhhhh.......


He was talking about Newt Gringrich, not Al Gore.


You're getting as worked up as I do sometimes.... when I start just reacting in a knee jerk fashion before thinking it through all the way.

Never mind, happens to the best of us sometimes






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This girl's nipples are pretty darn long!

Kind of like turkey thermometers...

Caligari

of course, because we all know how great things were with Ronnie Raygun-
01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% …. Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% * Reagan CUTS taxes for top 1% and says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%

01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8% * Unemployment HITS a post WW2 RECORD of 10.8%.
12/1982 - 10.8% * Reagan’s approval rating slips to 35%.

01/1983 - 10.4%
02/1983 - 10.4%
03/1983 - 10.3%
04/1983 - 10.3%
05/1983 - 10.1%
06/1983 - 10.1%
07/1983 - 9.4%
06/1983 - 9.5%
07/1983 - 9.4%
08/1983 - 9.5%
09/1983 - 9.2%
10/1983 - 8.8%
11/1983 - 8.5%
12/1983 - 8.3%

01/1984 - 8.0%
02/1984 - 7.8%

It took Reagan 28 MONTHS to get unemployment rate back down below 8%.

so whats this thread about again?

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Vendzilla

OK, lets play a little shall we?
The unemployment rate is the amount of people on Unemployment, Correct?
Back when Reagan was president, you lost your benefits after 6 months and you were taken off that percentage.
so Current unemployment rate is based on people that have lost their jobs in the last two years.
During Reagan's time it was people that lost their jobs in the last 6 months

Since the % is about the same, that would indicate that the numbers were worse during Reagan's time, yet he did some solid things that got people working, still waiting on Obama, but if they keep extending the benefits, you can never compare them really

I find it funny that if you're going to compare the two presidents, you would leave out they are doing completely different approaches to saving the economy


Also since you've brought it up, Clinton played with the numbers as well by including the military

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think about that

Caligari

you wanted to play, so checkmate-
you're saying that unemployment during raygun's period was worse, so in 23 months he managed to get unemployment to 10.8%...impressive, and it only took him 17 months to get the number back down to when he was sworn in

so obama comes in when the country is a complete mess thanks to 8 years of utter incompetence and we are supposed to think that everything should be peachy after a year in office?

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Vendzilla

LMAO, you just proved my point thank you, been 18 months and Obama hasn't got levels back to when he was sworn in.
You didn't read my post
More people were unemployed during Reagan's presidency, (BTW, he ended the cold war, torn down the wall in Germany and reversed inflation, so spell his name right)
They are cooking the books , you didn't get that? I thought you were more intelligent than that, guess not!
You can't compare the two numbers, X doesn't equal Y

BTW, the incompetence started in 06, right after the democrats took the house and senate, that's when everything started to fall apart. I didn't like Bush either, but I seem to have a better understanding of how the government works

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think about that

charlie g

So you're actually saying Jimmy carter was twice as bad a president as gw because it only took him 4 years to fuck up the economy. I get you know.

We know what Reagan did to spur economic growth; what has obama done?

Do you think they should let the tax cuts expire?

Has obama made any mistakes?

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Caligari

what the hell? when raygun was sworn in the unemployment numbers were low and he managed to severely fuck them up in 23 months! hahaha

obama came into a depression, what do you want?

holy crap people live in denial.

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Caligari

can you comprehend english?
when raygun came in the unemployment rate was 7.5%.
23 MONTHS LATER unemployment was at 10.8%.
little to do with carter...sheesh

Raygun marked the beginning of the end, trickle down voodoo economics and the collapse of US manufacturing in favor of cheap foreign goods.

Take some time to read, Raygun opened the gateway to Japanese steel and decimated US steel manufacturing among many other blunders designed to benefit the top 1% which eventually lead to what we have now.

deregulation at its finest...a complete disaster.

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Yep. Also, check out the Great Depression of 1920. Haven't heard of it? We have to thank the wisdom of Warren G Harding. Some commentators are saying that's how the US should have handled the crash of 2008.

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charlie g

I can comprehend English. But your numbers are bullshit quite frankly. You do realize that every administration changes the criteria for counting the unemployed and underemployed. With carter we had double digit inflation-interest rates and double digit unemployment. Things were worse in 79-81 than now, but we are not through this yet.

Here is some reading for you.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US..._1890-2009.gif

But Clinton's NAFTA had nothing to do with the manufacturing base collapsing.


The top 1% is a real catch phrase for certain people. The "working man" (read unions) made US steel industry uncompetitive, just as the auto industry and any other industry strangulated by organized labor. We can argue the pros and cons of moving from a manufacturing based economy to a service based economy until we are blue in the face (and you might find we really agree). We can argue the pros and cons of large labor unions forever. None of this changes what is happening today.

I have asked what has Obama done to correct the situation now? To answer Bush fucked the economy up is not an answer. To blame trickle down economics is not an answer. There is an answer, but I am not sure anyone that reads this board knows it

Simplicity

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Vendzilla

Hey Shit for Brains, Still can't spell Reagan's name? Never heard of spell check?

And I guess your arrogant ass can't comprehend what I wrote about unemployment rates, what, don't have a GED? Had to drop out after the 3rd grade?


But hey you got me, It took Reagan to go from 7.5 to 10% 21 months according the bureau of labor, Obama did it in 9 months


Reagan ended the Iran crisis, under Obama we might go to war with them
Reagan ended the cold war
Reagan didn't bow to China when he went
Obama sent more troops to a war nobody wants

But hey, Obama got a Nobel peace prize for showing up?

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think about that

Vendzilla

were you the tranny in there blowing them?

That statement was about regular people, not politicians, so fuck you

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

Inflation was pretty bad back then
Reagan cut it in half
Even Hillary said during her president run that it needed to be overhauled


Yeah, eat the rich, that's all they have to say and Blame Bush
while workers on the auto line were making $90 an hour and getting huge retirements, now look at Detroit

Fucking Idiots still saying "Bush Did it" when they should be asking "What has Barry done to fix it?"

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

stocktrader23

Fuck Vendzilla is so retarded that it hurts my head.