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Old 07-18-2014, 02:46 AM   #251
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Exactly. Their citizenship doesn't matter. The people have died. Many people, including the kids. And not just died. They were killed by Ukrainian separatists (rebels/terrorists whatever) because the Ukrainian government has not blocked the airspace above the war zone where their monkeys kill each other.
They were killed by people who have been 100% supplied with weapons, training and ammo by guess who???

If you want t otravel down the road full of fanciful bullshit because you are Russian, so be it, facts are facts and you can continue ranting and raving like a looney.
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:53 AM   #252
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ruskie are the most hated nation all over the world those days. way ahead americans and jews
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They were killed by people who have been 100% supplied with weapons, training and ammo by guess who???
It's not a matter of "guesses". If you have any proof and facts - post them please.
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ruskie are the most hated nation all over the world those days. way ahead americans and jews
American and Jews are hated too? That's a very typical post for the Ukrainian Nazi

P.S. Have Jews raped you, or maybe Americans stole your salo? Why do you hate them?
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American and Jews are hated too? That's a very typical post for the Ukrainian Nazi

P.S. Have Jews raped you, or maybe Americans stole your salo? Why do you hate them?
desperate ruskie bitch is always a desperate ruskie bitch
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:19 AM   #256
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desperate ruskie bitch is always a desperate ruskie bitch
That's all you can say, you Nazi pig? I can't say why Americans are so hated on the Ukraine, but the Jaws have a real long genocide story there
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That's all you can say, you Nazi pig? I can't say why Americans are so hated on the Ukraine, but the Jaws have a real long genocide story there
you look like a total loser now ruskie bitch is a loser by default
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Am I a loser because I do not hate Jaws, or what? Are you drunk again?
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/48990...405376/photo/1

off topic, i know, but, just, oops ...
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by who ? you ?
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As you can see, all these guys around him can't be Russian soldiers. In Russian army you can't have a beard or a punk-like Ukrainian forelock. These are rather Ukrainian locals or mercenaries
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Unfortunately not. Google for 9К317 Buk. Both Ukrainian army and separatists (both sides of conflict are stupid monkeys) could do that. If you remember, this happened already in 2001: http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/eu...a.plane.crash/

So only the investigation will show the truth. I would blame both sides (the Ukrainian army and separatists) with a 50/50 probability.
Exactly my thoughts, with the level of "professionalism" on either side of the conflict this is quite possible, unfortunately.
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I just wanted to be the first to congratulate the Pro Russian separatist for winning the war for Ukraine.

Russia will now have to bow out. They have two choices.. Let the conflict die and bow down to the West or attempt to deny there was ever a plane shot down and face real sanctions which will actually hurt as well as Western intervention into the war zone. Even Putin is smart enough to understand his support of the Rebels will now have to "really" end.
The AK47 factory just got sanctioned yesterday. That's a big one.
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Now it looks like the pro Russian separatists are in control of the wreckage. They are apparently not allowing crash investigators into the crash site to collect Intel as to exactly what kind of missile hit the plane and they are going to send the black box to Moscow.

Make of that what you will...



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That black box will be in the deepest hole 100 feet under the Kremlin, never to be seen again.
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The AK47 factory just got sanctioned yesterday.
Where? Just wonder what country does produce this obsolete weapon?
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CyberSEO - the proudest ruskie bitch at gfy

in reality - fat ass sitting in ruskie shithole land doing webspam script and fighting for holy rusia

have you ever visited Europe or any other country besides your shithole rushka, ruski boy?
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There is certainly 1 to blame: Malaysian Airlines.

I flew 3 months ago fron Thailand to Amsterdam and saw we where flying over Ukrain.
And i thought, that is fucked up, why do they fly here! Everybody knew there is a war going on.
That will be solved in court the coming years.
The shit started when they wanted to save a few hundred dollars on gasoline.
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There is certainly 1 to blame: Malaysian Airlines.

I flew 3 months ago fron Thailand to Amsterdam and saw we where flying over Ukrain.
And i thought, that is fucked up, why do they fly here! Everybody knew there is a war going on.
That will be solved in court the coming years.
The shit started when they wanted to save a few hundred dollars on gasoline.
because world community doesn't recognize rusia is in war with Ukraine. it's new age hybrid war - war by fact, but not declared according to current standards.
if they close air it should be identified as military conflict, while rusia does a lot to not identify it that way
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in reality - fat ass sitting in ruskie shithole land doing webspam script and fighting for holy rusia
Fighting? You are really drunk today, keyboard warrior. Get sober and come back tomorrow.
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have you ever been in Europe?
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Course not. I live in Moscow which is located at the North Pole. There are only white bears and ice.

З.Ы. Ты реально такой тупой или прикидывешься? Если воспользуешься поиском, то найдешь мои фотографии из самых разных стран мира. Тебе-дураку в жизни столько не объездить.
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Take a look at the photo of the innocently murdered. The only reason for this is that the world community turns a blind eye to the crimes committed by president Putin's regime that turned into the terroristic regime waging war against Ukraine and the whole world. Each of you is partly responsible for what is happening. Please, show this photo to all your friends and acquaintances and to those ones who can affect the situation and help to stop the distraught Kremlin.


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CyberSEO is Moscow based retard, he is fucking around 'just because he can' - same 'vatnik' as all of the other brain washed ruskies.
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Exactly my thoughts, with the level of "professionalism" on either side of the conflict this is quite possible, unfortunately.
Yep, both sides are absolutely unprofessional, so it's still 50/50 for Ukrainian army or Ukrainian terrorists.
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CyberSEO is Moscow based retard, he is fucking around 'just because he can' - same 'vatnik' as all of the other brain washed ruskies.
And you says that? A broke ruskiy alcoholic who left Ukraine and moved to Poland. Left Poland and moved the Italy. What's your next stop, loser?
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There is certainly 1 to blame: Malaysian Airlines.

I flew 3 months ago fron Thailand to Amsterdam and saw we where flying over Ukrain.
And i thought, that is fucked up, why do they fly here! Everybody knew there is a war going on.
That will be solved in court the coming years.
The shit started when they wanted to save a few hundred dollars on gasoline.
Amazingly stupid!

The survivors of this crash should sue Malaysian Airlines into bankruptcy. I have no idea of the legal implications and liability laws in the Malaysian courts ...

I would not jump to conclusions as to who did it. All of the suspect parties may have had access to the same sourced weapons systems. Guess where they got them? I would not limit my suspicions to the Ukraine Government and the Separatists
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There is certainly 1 to blame: Malaysian Airlines.

I flew 3 months ago fron Thailand to Amsterdam and saw we where flying over Ukrain.
And i thought, that is fucked up, why do they fly here! Everybody knew there is a war going on.
That will be solved in court the coming years.
The shit started when they wanted to save a few hundred dollars on gasoline.
It's not their fault.

MH17?s flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol, who are solely responsible for determining civil aircraft flight paths over European airspace.

According to Eurocontrol the route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to flight level 320 but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying.

Shocking but it is clear which country should be to blame.

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Ukrainian intelligence released intercepted terrorist communications where they discuss that they shot down a civilian plane, mistaking it for a war plane


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The youtube video was actually uploaded a day before the plane crash.


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So you are saying that planes must take the same course every day and can never change?

Maybe weather?
Yep. CNN says that MH17 was redirected by Polish dispatcher, because of huge storm over Crimea.

But I don't see any storm.
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because world community doesn't recognize rusia is in war with Ukraine. it's new age hybrid war - war by fact, but not declared according to current standards.
if they close air it should be identified as military conflict, while rusia does a lot to not identify it that way
But Cyberseo claims that Russia is not involved
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It's not their fault.

MH17?s flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol, who are solely responsible for determining civil aircraft flight paths over European airspace.
Eurocontrol allowed, but sensible air companies avoided it themselves. Most of them did. If the route is not banned by Eurocontrol does not mean you can not think by yourself and do not fly there, like majority of air companies did.
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The most important.

Jane's analysis -> http://press.ihs.com/press-release/a...issile-systems

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Operating Buk hardware would require a trained crew - personnel who are currently trained operators, or who learned how to operate the hardware while serving as conscripts.
Whoever shot the plane, it was not a mistake. They knew what they were doing.

So the question is this: who benefits most from the downing of MH17 ?
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There are others way ahead, such as USA, Israel and Great Britain

The recent anti-Russia thing is mainly propaganda from the top
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These are the NOTAM issued yesterday for Ukraine airspace before the crash
If i was due to fly a jetliner I will due everything to avoid those routes even at any altitude.


URRV V6158/14 17JUL0000-31AUG2359 EST
DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FRNG FM THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE TOWARDS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY, ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW:
A100 MIMRA - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
B145 KANON - ASMIL,
G247 MIMRA - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),
A87 TAMAK - SARNA,
A102 PENEG - NALEM,
A225 GUKOL - ODETA,
A712 TAMAK - SAMBEK NDB (SB),
B493 FASAD - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
B947 TAMAK - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
G118 LATRI - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),
G534 MIMRA - TOROS,
G904 FASAD - SUTAG,
R114 BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA)-NALEM.
SFC - FL320.




UUWV V6159/14 17JUL0000-31AUG2359 EST
DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FRNG FM THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE TOWARDS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY, ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW:
A493 LIRSI-LEMBO,
G915 AGNIN-FORMA,
A131 BODRO-FORMA,
A236 LULED-LUMAT,
R371 LUMAT-LEMBO,
R371 BELIB-KUBOK,
G372 BODRO-BELIB,
A97 TUMIT-NALEG,
R363 ANIGI-KUBOK,
R368 SOMUM-KUBOK,
A279 RASAP-KUBOK,
B921 ROGLA-GOBUN,
B110 RASAP-GOBUN,
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B231 TERBUNY NDB (TE)-KANON,
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FM SFC UP TO FL200
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The most important.

Jane's analysis -> http://press.ihs.com/press-release/a...issile-systems



Whoever shot the plane, it was not a mistake. They knew what they were doing.

So the question is this: who benefits most from the downing of MH17 ?
Eh, what? I though it was clear who shot it down. They even admitted it on social media, lol.
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It's not their fault.

MH17?s flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol, who are solely responsible for determining civil aircraft flight paths over European airspace.

According to Eurocontrol the route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to flight level 320 but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying.

Shocking but it is clear which country should be to blame.
I am sure people will start a lawsuit against Malaysian Airlines, Eurocontrol where political figures have to say why they thought it was save to fly there. And why didn't malaysian airlines took another route, other companies took their responsibility and did.

This will be in court for years and will be used by politics for proganda.
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some are still flying too close for comfort

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Where? Just wonder what country does produce this obsolete weapon?
http://qz.com/236063/with-new-russia...ssault-rifles/
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Old 07-18-2014, 06:54 AM   #291
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/48990...405376/photo/1

off topic, i know, but, just, oops ...
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its time the world coalesces and brings the gates of hell to the front door of these russian parasites

usa + nato have enough resources to pound the pathetic, degenerate russian military back into the stone age and its time they do it
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Sorry, but Russia does not produce AK47 for a long time.
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:26 AM   #294
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its time the world coalesces and brings the gates of hell to the front door of these russian parasites

usa + nato have enough resources to pound the pathetic, degenerate russian military back into the stone age and its time they do it
another "peacekeeping" idiot..........
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:48 AM   #295
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Sorry, but Russia does not produce AK47 for a long time.
...and Italy does not produce Italians.
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:55 AM   #296
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...and Italy does not produce Italians.
What do you mean? Sorry but I didn't get your "sarcasm".
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I can't understand why aren't there already some satellite footages released.. I'm pretty sure that the major players (Russia, US, EU etc.) are constantly monitoring Ukraine..
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its time the world coalesces and brings the gates of hell to the front door of these russian parasites

usa + nato have enough resources to pound the pathetic, degenerate russian military back into the stone age and its time they do it
we'd most likely be fighting the chinese as well
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What do you mean? Sorry but I didn't get your "sarcasm".
What I mean is that a Russian will tell you the sky is green with a straight face, when you know it's blue.

Do you understand that?
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