Malaysian air crash in Eastern Ukraine? This could the excuse that Putin was looking for.... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

So they were flying in space?

Sorry, I meant to say 22k feet.

And the info on the BUK missile system might be far off. ABC News just said the BUK missile was designed to hit US spy planes that fly at 90k feet.

Amputate Your Head · 07-17-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

He meant feet of course. That because you guy have to use the metric system as the other civilized World does

What do miles or feet have to do with the metric system?
He said 'miles' and he meant 'feet'... neither of those are metric.

mineistaken · 07-17-2014, 09:32 AM

Russian terrorists/separatists claimed they shot it down. They thought it was Ukrainian combat airplane. So how is that an excuse for Putler? It would be an excuse for world to take more sanctions against Putler.

OY · 07-17-2014, 09:33 AM

In the news here, it is said the plane was shot down by RUSSIAN separatists using a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You are very wrong. We do not know where the missile came from; In fact, we aren't even sure if the plane was shot down.

All what we know is: if it was really hit by BUK, it couldn't be hit from the Russian territory because BUK can not be used from such a long range.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Even if it was shot down AND the missile was shot from Ukrainian territory, that still doesn't tell us who launched the missile.

The investigation will tell. However only Ukrainian army and Ukrainian separatists have BUK's in that area. So it's 50/50.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

it could be Russia who snuck a launcher into Ukrainian territory.

Wrong. The Ukrainian separatists took BUK's directly from the Ukrainian army and there is a proof.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So we do not know ANYTHING 100%. In fact, all we know at this point is that a plane went down - nothing else.

So true.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

What do miles or feet have to do with the metric system?
He said 'miles' and he meant 'feet'... neither of those are metric.

Hint: because the sources say it was hit at 10000 meters which is about 33K feet ;)

mineistaken · 07-17-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OY

In the news here, it is said the plane was shot down by RUSSIAN separatists using a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

Strelkov (terrorist/separatist) claimed that himself via social media. He thought it was Ukrainian airplane though. They shot down 2 Ukrainian airplanes (An26, Su25) before this one.

Penny24Seven · 07-17-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

Most people on the plane were dutch..:-(

franck was going to a double anal covention. Hope he is ok

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 09:37 AM

According to Ukrainian investigations the name of the missile operator is Boris and he likes spaghetti

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OY

In the news here, it is said the plane was shot down by RUSSIAN separatists using a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

Sorry but there are no Russian separatists. There are Ukrainian separatists - the citizens of Ukraine that want to separate.

Pornopat · 07-17-2014, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian837

franck was going to a double anal covention. Hope he is ok

Franck does not live in the Netherlands at the moment.

TeenCat · 07-17-2014, 09:39 AM

some bad photo and news ... if real ...

*edited*

... r.i.p.

mineistaken · 07-17-2014, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Sorry but there are no Russian separatists. There are Ukrainian separatists - the citizens of Ukraine that want to separate.

Whom are supported and backed by Russia.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Whom are supported and backed by Russia.

Not by Russia (maybe by some financial corporation powers here or there..) but not by Russia as a country. I'm a part of Russia and I have never supported these motherfuckers. Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

Mr. Garibaldi · 07-17-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian837

franck was going to a double anal covention. Hope he is ok

thread is tragic but that post is

Sly · 07-17-2014, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Not by Russia (maybe by some financial corporation powers here or there..) but not by Russia as a country. I'm a part of Russia and I have never supported these motherfuckers. Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

I am an American and I could give you a list miles long of American actions that I do not support.

Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

All what we know is: if it was really hit by BUK, it couldn't be hit from the Russian territory because BUK can not be used from such a long range.

No, you are wrong again. Some of these BUK missiles have a range of 50 km. Thus, it could be 25 km inside of Russia and hit a plane 25 km inside of Ukraine. If you want to technical about it, Russia could have shot down the plane 50 km inside of Ukraine.

Also, we don't know exactly where the plane was shot down. It was shot down "near the Russian border" which is a bit vague. Maybe it was 40 km from the Russian border, shot down by Russian forces inside of Russia....

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Wrong. The Ukrainian separatists took BUK's directly from the Ukrainian army and there is a proof.

I had originally said "it could be Russia who snuck a launcher into Ukrainian territory." is not wrong at all. Great, we have proof Rebels (separatists, whatever) have the BUK missiles but that surely doesn't mean Russian didn't take down this plane.

mineistaken · 07-17-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Not by Russia (maybe by some financial corporation powers here or there..) but not by Russia as a country. I'm a part of Russia and I have never supported these motherfuckers. Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

Are you serious?

Putler himself is supporting the idea of taking Ukrainian lands.

mineistaken · 07-17-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I am an American and I could give you a list miles long of American actions that I do not support.

Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

Well said. He personally does not support that and he thinks that equals that Russian government does not support that

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, you are wrong again. Some of these BUK missiles have a range of 50 km. Thus, it could be 25 km inside of Russia and hit a plane 25 km inside of Ukraine. If you want to technical about it, Russia could have shot down the plane 50 km inside of Ukraine.

We could discuss about BUK's range almost endless. But now just turn on the simple logic and tell me why Russia would hit the civilian plane, which is going to enter its own airspace? Any ideas?

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Not by Russia (maybe by some financial corporation powers here or there..) but not by Russia as a country. I'm a part of Russia and I have never supported these motherfuckers. Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

They are supported by Russia, period. Russia is giving them arms, training, and even manpower. It was Russian troops that took over the navy base in Crimea. Last month Russia sent armored cars into Ukraine - the US tracked them for hundreds of miles all through Russia and across the border into Ukraine, where they were promptly destroyed.

I see your angle now... You are Russian and you have the belief that Russia isn't involved. I see three different groups in the region who all have the same exact weapons.

sperbonzo · 07-17-2014, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

The only thing I don't understand is why some clowns here try to find any relation with Russia.

You're right. Silly me.

Just because it's a major incident near a common border with Russia and the Ukraine, both of which have been almost at each other's throat for the last year, with Russia taking back part of the Ukraine and Putin putting large numbers of troops and tanks at the border at various times, while meanwhile jailing domestic political opponents, while at the same time facing harsh criticism even from his supporters at home for being too "soft" on the Ukraine situation....

Obviously there is absolutely no chance at all that this situation would spill over into Russia at all.

Sorry that I jumped to such a wild suggestion with no basis whatsoever.

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Dmcontent · 07-17-2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, you are wrong again. Some of these BUK missiles have a range of 50 km. Thus, it could be 25 km inside of Russia and hit a plane 25 km inside of Ukraine. If you want to technical about it, Russia could have shot down the plane 50 km inside of Ukraine.

Also, we don't know exactly where the plane was shot down. It was shot down "near the Russian border" which is a bit vague. Maybe it was 40 km from the Russian border, shot down by Russian forces inside of Russia....

I had originally said "it could be Russia who snuck a launcher into Ukrainian territory." is not wrong at all. Great, we have proof Rebels (separatists, whatever) have the BUK missiles but that surely doesn't mean Russian didn't take down this plane.

It was shot down 43Km from russian border

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I am an American and I could give you a list miles long of American actions that I do not support.

This is why I never told something that America does this or that (course if the US army is not directly involved). The US government - yes, but not the United States as a country. I do not generalize.

So you please stop posting shit.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Putler himself is supporting the idea of taking Ukrainian lands.

Any quotes? Pleeeeeeeease

mineistaken · 07-17-2014, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Any quotes? Pleeeeeeeease

You must be kidding me... Who the fuck would come out and say that?

It is politics and it would hurt him to say that. I mean, you are either dumb or naive.

See the actions (Rochard posted few), not the words.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

They are supported by Russia, period. Russia is giving them arms, training, and even manpower.

Nope. These are mercenaries. I.e. it's not a regular army. Perhaps that will be a secret for you, There are a lot of foreign mercenaries on the both sides of conflict (they came from all around the Globe: Poland, Italy, Estonia, the United States etc).

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It was Russian troops that took over the navy base in Crimea.

Check this out: http://rsb-group.ru/

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

We could discuss about BUK's range almost endless. But now just turn on the simple logic and tell me why Russia would hit the civilian plane, which is going to enter its own airspace? Any ideas?

Sure, lots of them. It's not like they haven't shot down a passenger airliner and killed hundreds of people before huh?

At this point we don't even know if it was a missile. It might have been a plane.

Why would Russia to do it? Maybe it was a mistake, maybe they they thought it was a military flight attacking Russia, maybe they wanted to create an incident? I'm not a conspiracy nut, but it's surely possible Russia was involved.

I understand you are trying to defend your country there, but you aren't being realistic with your argument.

I personally do not believe Russia was involved. Russia is clearly not concerned about Ukraine invading Russia, and I doubt Russia would be taking changes launching missiles from inside of Russia knowing damn well the US would see it.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

It is politics and it would hurt him to say that. I mean, you are either dumb or naive.

If you know what the world leaders really think and do, I'm really wonder why you still alive then...

Rikki-Nyx · 07-17-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

All what we know is: if it was really hit by BUK, it couldn't be hit from the Russian territory because BUK can not be used from such a long range.

BUK reaches beyond 70,000 feet

mineistaken · 07-17-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

If you know what the world leaders really think and do, I'm really wonder why you still alive then...

WTF, seriously. How and who would take Crimea if Putler was not for that?

You are just unbelievable

Lichen · 07-17-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Wrong. The Ukrainian separatists took BUK's directly from the Ukrainian army and there is a proof.

So terrorists stealing weapons systems and using them to shoot down civilian planes are exempt from fault?

What's next, USA is to blame that their own Boeing planes rammed WTC towers?

Fucking dumbass retard.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Why would Russia to do it? Maybe it was a mistake, maybe they they thought it was a military flight attacking Russia, maybe they wanted to create an incident? I'm not a conspiracy nut, but it's surely possible Russia was involved.

Please don't be that stupid. It was a civilian plane which was going to cross Russian border. So it was traced and lead by Russian air traffic controllers. It's 21th century (in case if you forgot that) ;)

evy97 · 07-17-2014, 10:07 AM

Interesting tweet. He works at the Borispol Air Traffic Control.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065

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El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,

plane was being escorted by 2 ukrainian fighters till minutes before disappearing from radar

mineistaken · 07-17-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Nope.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/07/229270.htm

I thought it was a common knowledge that sepratatists are supported by Russia. Seems its "news" to cyberseo

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

WTF, seriously. How and who would take Crimea if Putler was not for that?

Crimea is another thing. It was annexed openly because it's a strategic zone for Russian Navi. But what's about the Ukraine? Why Putin may need it? Any reason?

P.S. Sometimes I'm starting to think that you are just an infantile kid.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lichen

So terrorists stealing weapons systems

They have claimed so in June: http://politikus.ru/events/23008-cpe...voysk-pvo.html

More stupid questions?

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

But what's about the Ukraine? Why Putin may need it? Any reason?
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Putin wants the chocolate factory

Rikki-Nyx · 07-17-2014, 10:12 AM

I wonder what they'll do to Putin and Russia when they find out that the BUK system supplied by Russia shot down the plane.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

I thought it was a common knowledge that sepratatists are supported by Russia.

Ahhh, if the U.S. Department of State says so...

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Kolargol · 07-17-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1145596

ruskie terrorists leader (former KGB agent, lived in Moscow) says they shot down the jet before it was reported it's passenger Boeing, not Ukrainian military one

it was later reported by ruskie propaganda LifeNews channel. now the information gets deleted on their side

uskie terrors begun to celebrate the victory too early. they thought they took down Ukrainian military jet

Oops, went live too early.

just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

Putin wants the chocolate factory

I actually believe that mineistaken does think so. At least it should be a typical thought for his ages...

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikki-Nyx

I wonder what they'll do to Putin and Russia when they find out that the BUK system supplied by Russia shot down the plane.

People will think that's a quality product and want to buy some too

Rikki-Nyx · 07-17-2014, 10:14 AM

Ukraine government just released a statement blaming Russia and saying they will release proof of Russia supplying the weapons to the terrorists

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I actually believe that mineistaken does think so. At least it should be a typical thought for his ages...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roshen

sperbonzo · 07-17-2014, 10:15 AM

Seems there is a lot of photos, videos and so forth here....

http://nikitskij.livejournal.com/419...7477#t62697477

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just a punk · 07-17-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol

Oops, went live too early.

So and where is Russia when?

Rochard · 07-17-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Please don't be that stupid. It was a civilian plane which was going to cross Russian border. So it was traced and lead by Russian air traffic controllers. It's 21th century (in case if you forgot that) ;)

Dude seriously... You are retarded.

It was a civilian airplane that was most likely shot down. The fact that Russian air traffic controllers was tracking has nothing to do with anything - it wasn't Russian air traffic controllers who shot it down. The Russian military doesn't call up Russian air traffic controllers to get permission to shoot down a plane.

pornmasta · 07-17-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikki-Nyx

Ukraine government just released a statement blaming Russia and saying they will release proof of Russia supplying the weapons to the terrorists

omg this is too funny
supplying the weapons to the terrorists
You mean in lybia, in syria, where where ?

_Richard_ · 07-17-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by evy97

Interesting tweet. He works at the Borispol Air Traffic Control.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065

plane was being escorted by 2 ukrainian fighters till minutes before disappearing from radar

i have heard this from a person nearby.. but, 'shot down by jet plane' was included

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mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	Russian terrorists/separatists claimed they shot it down. They thought it was Ukrainian combat airplane. So how is that an excuse for Putler? It would be an excuse for world to take more sanctions against Putler.

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