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Old 02-23-2006, 01:06 AM   #101
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what does a 2 yr old child have to do with abortion....nothing unless you are a religious fanatic who does not know the difference.

And no I do not get mad, why should I, people get killed every day, as a matter of fact, here, 7 people were murdered in the last 2 days and one was a child. Should I get mad over it. I think its sick, I think its wrong and I hope they catch the people who did it, but I dont get mad over it.
Boy you make this easy.. A 2 year old child that was aborted would not be 2 years old. They would be rotted fetus chunks. A fetus that was not aborted would be a two year old child. Why not just extend the term limit to 92 weeks? I mean the parent may decide later on they didnt really want the child. They didnt understand the consequences of their actions when they didnt abort post delivery.
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ANother stupid remark Bush made today was that we need to be aware of our friends in the middle east, that we need them and as such need to let them run our ports. it was 2 years ago that he said the opposite of germany and france, that we dont need them if they dont agree with us.
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Old 02-23-2006, 01:08 AM   #103
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What punishment should the man get, the guy who fucked the woman and started the unwanted pregnancy?

You want to force the woman to give up a year of her life and go thru the agony of giving her own child to strangers. okay, sound great. But what about the man? How should he be punished?

He's at least half responsible, right? What happens to him? What law do we write to punish fathers of unwanted fetums?
What makes you think the man wanted the abortion done? You are aware that the father has no say in it right?
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ANother stupid remark Bush made today was that we need to be aware of our friends in the middle east, that we need them and as such need to let them run our ports. it was 2 years ago that he said the opposite of germany and france, that we dont need them if they dont agree with us.
See other thread. This one isnt about Bush its about killing babies.
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I know how many were killed and wounded in normandy.
You forgot to do the research you told me to do.
Germany declared war on the US right after pearl harbor, they also parked submarines off the east coast and sank US ships at will.

on the numbers of people who died, well, you tell that to the ones who are dead that they dont matter because not as many of them died as in previous wars.
your statement was still ignorant and you cant make it right by trying to divert to a different subject.
I wasnt the one that brought up soliders in Iraq.
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I guess for you it is because a 2 yr old child being killed has nothing to do with abortion. If it was aboted then its not 2 and cant be murdered at 2.

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kinda hard when the alternatives are for teaching abstinance rather than sex education in school and the double whammy of most religions being anti-contraceptive.
Catholics and Mormons arent most religions.
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I guess for you it is because a 2 yr old child being killed has nothing to do with abortion. If it was aboted then its not 2 and cant be murdered at 2.

You may as well give up. lol
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Republicans would use lethal injection on a convicted rapist but wouldn't let the woman he raped have an abortion.
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no but you were the hero who made the ignorant statement that since they joined the military that its their job to do as told and to kill or get killed.

You probably also dont know its not the US military's duty to die for their country, its their duty to make the other guy die for his.

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President Bush will propose a 2006 budget Monday that, despite record spending of about $2.5 trillion, will call for billions of dollars in cuts that will touch people on food stamps and farmers on price supports, children under Medicaid and adults in public housing.

Children represent a disproportionate share of the poor in the United States; they are 25 percent of the total population, but 35 percent of the poor population. In 2004, 13 million children, or 17.8 percent, were poor.

Meanwhile you dickheads pour billions into Iraq.
For the cost of the Iraq war we could have insured 145,766,238 children for one year.

For the cost of the Iraq war we could have fully funded global anti-hunger efforts for 10 years.

For the cost of the Iraq war we could have ensured that every child in the world was given basic immunizations for 80 years.

Don't fucking talk about your concern for kids you fucking hyprocrite.
A slimed down budget doesnt mean less money going to those that need it. There is a WHOLE lot of pork that needs to be cut.
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Whats funny is that this whole debate get so extreme that when I suggest we put barb wire around dakota, there are people who have heard such extreme bigotry around this topic that they think I'm being serious.
I thought it was a good idea.
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Republicans would use lethal injection on a convicted rapist but wouldn't let the woman he raped have an abortion.
Does it really need explained? One is innocent, and one is a rapist......
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I thought it was a good idea.
Dont make me ICQ you lol. Btw how is your GF doing. Feeling better now?
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Sex is a risk. A risk with responsiblities. You accept these risks when da cock goes in da pussa. I have two kids and have seen both of them at less than 20 weeks. Abortion is allowed upto 30 weeks I believe. What all of you are saying is that people should not be responsible for their actions. Condoms have a little warning on them, you might wanna read it sometime. So do birthcontrol pills directions. To say they arent responsible just cause shit happens doesnt mean its ok to kill the end result of an accident.
That is your belief and your thoughts, but I've refuted your arguements and now you are talking about values. It's always the case with anti abortion people, once you've shown them the facts, they bring out the good old christian handbook. I'm not saying you're not intelligent, because I understand people don't always agree with abortion. It really comes down to the facts, and a woman with a fetus, should have the right to abort it up to a certain stage. To say people shouldn't have sex because they might get preganant is quite foolish, it's human nature and that arguement really holds no validity. People use preventative measures for the purpose of not getting preganant, yet they are still irresponsible? Please come up with something better than that. Cars pollute, people litter and destroy the environment, we can go on and on about responsiblity, the bottom line is no one should enforce their values on other people. If a woman decides an abortion is best for her, then just because stickyfingers thinks it was irresponsible of her to get preganant, she shouldn't have it? LOL that's a good one.
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your right, because everything you say is outright stupid and you have no respect for the wishes of others.
Why is it that the religious fanatics here in the US and around the world, want to tell others how to live, but those of us who are not, do not try to tell you twisted people how to live, untill you start shooting abortion doctors and blowing up clinics of course.

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no but you were the hero who made the ignorant statement that since they joined the military that its their job to do as told and to kill or get killed.

You probably also dont know its not the US military's duty to die for their country, its their duty to make the other guy die for his.
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Does it really need explained? One is innocent, and one is a rapist......

Damn dude, you're dumber than I thought. I thought people like you got hit by cars crossing the street and were culled from the general population at a relatively young age. Your ability to survive this long with a severe mental handicap is a marvel of nature.
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That is your belief and your thoughts, but I've refuted your arguements and now you are talking about values. It's always the case with anti abortion people, once you've shown them the facts, they bring out the good old christian handbook. I'm not saying you're not intelligent, because I understand people don't always agree with abortion. It really comes down to the facts, and a woman with a fetus, should have the right to abort it up to a certain stage. To say people shouldn't have sex because they might get preganant is quite foolish, it's human nature and that arguement really holds no validity. People use preventative measures for the purpose of not getting preganant, yet they are still irresponsible? Please come up with something better than that. Cars pollute, people litter and destroy the environment, we can go on and on about responsiblity, the bottom line is no one should enforce their values on other people. If a woman decides an abortion is best for her, then just because stickyfingers thinks it was irresponsible of her to get preganant, she shouldn't have it? LOL that's a good one.

Try to read and comprehend. Im in fookin porn. I never said they "shouldnt have sex" I said they should be prepared to accept the consequences that could possilby follow. Its all a part of life to be responsible for your own actions.
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Damn dude, you're dumber than I thought. I thought people like you got hit by cars crossing the street and were culled from the general population at a relatively young age. Your ability to survive this long with a severe mental handicap is a marvel of nature.
Wow what wit and cleverness you have. Boy.... you sure got me there. Gee from now on Ill just call you Witty McComeback.

How can you refute that an innocent child should have more rights than a CONVICTED FOOKING RAPIST SCUM. God there is something wrong with people.
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A slimed down budget doesnt mean less money going to those that need it. There is a WHOLE lot of pork that needs to be cut.

You definitely have issues. Next you're going to tell us God sent Katrina to New Orleans because of the gays.
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your right, so when is Bush and his cronies going to be held responsible for his actions and lies?
Before you say what lies and actions, you can start with them outing the female CIA operative - but thats ok, just as long as someone does not tell the american public about bush spying on americans.

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Try to read and comprehend. Im in fookin porn. I never said they "shouldnt have sex" I said they should be prepared to accept the consequences that could possilby follow. Its all a part of life to be responsible for your own actions.
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Try to read and comprehend. Im in fookin porn. I never said they "shouldnt have sex" I said they should be prepared to accept the consequences that could possilby follow. Its all a part of life to be responsible for your own actions.
Ok, so they can have sex, they just have to accept the fact that they might have a baby, and since stickyfingers is not ok with aborting a fetus, then they will need to have a baby if the woman gets pregnant. Is that right? I think I already made fun of your reponsibility for your own actions arguement in my previous post. So maybe you could compose a handbook and explain to us how to be responsible? Last I checked, having an unwanted baby, or not having the means to support a baby (ie. financially) wouldn't be too responsible as well. So there goes your whole responsibility arguement. Thank you come again.
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You definitely have issues. Next you're going to tell us God sent Katrina to New Orleans because of the gays.
Dont know why the hurricanes came.. Im guessing weather patterens, and warm and cold fronts colliding. Just a guess. If God was going to wipe out gays he would of hit much further NW of there.
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I bet if you was a white lady raped by a black crack head with AIDS you would see it differently - Or if you was the parent of a 15 yr old girl raped by an illegal immigrant.
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Ok, so they can have sex, they just have to accept the fact that they might have a baby, and since stickyfingers is not ok with aborting a fetus, then they will need to have a baby if the woman gets pregnant. Is that right? I think I already made fun of your reponsibility for your own actions arguement in my previous post. So maybe you could compose a handbook and explain to us how to be responsible? Last I checked, having an unwanted baby, or not having the means to support a baby (ie. financially) wouldn't be too responsible as well. So there goes your whole responsibility arguement. Thank you come again.
Boy ya you got me there... Thats why parents fly to China and Russia and Romania to find newborns to adopt. Ooops Thank you come again. There are long LONG waiting lists of couples wanting newborn children to adopt.
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I bet if you was a white lady raped by a black crack head with AIDS you would see it differently - Or if you was the parent of a 15 yr old girl raped by an illegal immigrant.
Get off your high horse and stop trying to dictate to others.
Again learn how to quote please. Now run off and read all the studies done on raped women who get pregnant. Very few of them go through with an abortion, and those who do regret it. Its two victims to one crime.
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How many of you have had a girlfriend get an abortion.

I had to deal with that 2 times when I was young and to this day I'm still troubled by it and think what those kids would have been like.

Unfortunately, men don't get a say in the decision which is what I have a problem with and think is grossly unfair.

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Dont know why the hurricanes came.. Im guessing weather patterens, and warm and cold fronts colliding. Just a guess.
Weather patterens? Is that how they spell it on FOX News? And no, hurricanes arent formed by warm and cold fronts 'colliding'. Your intelligence flows like mud.
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Boy ya you got me there... Thats why parents fly to China and Russia and Romania to find newborns to adopt. Ooops Thank you come again. There are long LONG waiting lists of couples wanting newborn children to adopt.
What does that have to do with anything I said? Did I ever say there weren't people waiting to adopt children?
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Catholics and Mormons arent most religions.
There's also the current administration and repressive people who wish to make birth control harder to obtain, pharmacists who refuse to fill prescriptions, and social pressures from role models who preach against a perfectly natural act of sexually mature individuals. It's not a shocker that kids have sex anyway.

Should people be responsible for their actions? Hell yes. Abortion is not an easy decision either a couple or woman usually just go through. It is those people taking the responsibility for their actions. I personally don't like abortion, but I like the government telling me what i can and can't do even less. At least with laws we have now come regulation. Without those regulations women will still be having abortions.

As a slight tangent, look how well the War on Drugs is doing. It is essentially a war by the government, that is supposed to be by, of and for the people, against its own citizens. The gov't has no right to tell an adult what they can or cannot do in the privacy of their own homes which also goes to ridiculous laws like sodomy laws and gay marriage. What right does the government have to be in your bedroom or to tell you what is allowable in order to be free and happy?
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She's asleep. Thank god.
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What does that have to do with anything I said? Did I ever say there weren't people waiting to adopt children?
Umm lets see you cited the child would be better off dead than to possibly live in poverty. Well adoption is one out for this child. Personally Id rather have to live off ramens noodles than be chopped up in a vaccum cleaner. But you know.. thats just me. Im goofy that way.
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there are plenty of black children here to adopt, why do they need to go overseas. A ban on abortion will affect all races, not just the coveted white babies.

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there are plenty of black children here to adopt, why do they need to go overseas. A ban on abortion will affect all races, not just the coveted white babies.
Hmm didnt know Chinese babies were considered white. There are couples of every race out there, that will adopt any race.

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How many of you have had a girlfriend get an abortion.

I had to deal with that 2 times when I was young and to this day I'm still troubled by it and think what those kids would have been like.

Unfortunately, men don't get a say in the decision which is what I have a problem with and think is grossly unfair.

I know 2 people who had abortions, both females were in their late teens. Both couples are extremely happy they had the OPTION to choose an abortion, and feel they made the right decision. I can see your point of how it's unfair the man doesn't have a choice, but it really comes down to the fact that the woman holds the baby for 9 months in their belly. That's quite a bit of time, and not to mention the changes a woman's body must endure post and prenatal. It would be tough if I were in a situation where I wanted the child and my girlfriend didn't, but I would respect any decision she made even though it would be against mine.
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How many of you have had a girlfriend get an abortion.

I had to deal with that 2 times when I was young and to this day I'm still troubled by it and think what those kids would have been like.

Unfortunately, men don't get a say in the decision which is what I have a problem with and think is grossly unfair.

It works the other way also with child support.


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Umm lets see you cited the child would be better off dead than to possibly live in poverty. Well adoption is one out for this child. Personally Id rather have to live off ramens noodles than be chopped up in a vaccum cleaner. But you know.. thats just me. Im goofy that way.
So the woman should give birth just for the sake of another couple adopting the child. So because some foreign couple wants the child, the woman should sit through 9 months of pregnancy? LOL where does your insanity stop?
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She's asleep. Thank god.
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studies by what, the religious right, the ones who say adult entertainment and child porn are the same?
I know ALLOT of girls who have had abortions. No run off and read your studies from the fanatics and ignore real life.


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Again learn how to quote please. Now run off and read all the studies done on raped women who get pregnant. Very few of them go through with an abortion, and those who do regret it. Its two victims to one crime.
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Thats good. Get me some froggin conversions lol I did get a sale night before last for Ariel though.
I'll take a peak at your stats and traffic tomorrow. Send me an icq to remind me. Insomnia + ambien = no short term memory. Oddly enough, my long term and peripheral memories are immaculate.
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There's also the current administration and repressive people who wish to make birth control harder to obtain, pharmacists who refuse to fill prescriptions, and social pressures from role models who preach against a perfectly natural act of sexually mature individuals. It's not a shocker that kids have sex anyway.

Should people be responsible for their actions? Hell yes. Abortion is not an easy decision either a couple or woman usually just go through. It is those people taking the responsibility for their actions. I personally don't like abortion, but I like the government telling me what i can and can't do even less. At least with laws we have now come regulation. Without those regulations women will still be having abortions.

As a slight tangent, look how well the War on Drugs is doing. It is essentially a war by the government, that is supposed to be by, of and for the people, against its own citizens. The gov't has no right to tell an adult what they can or cannot do in the privacy of their own homes which also goes to ridiculous laws like sodomy laws and gay marriage. What right does the government have to be in your bedroom or to tell you what is allowable in order to be free and happy?
Just to make sure people dont box me into a certain box. I support legal weed, and legal prostitution. Tax the crap out of them, and its end of budget issues. Im also not saying to outlaw abortion. Though it would suit me morally I know that a middle ground needs to be reached. 2 months to me is plenty of time for a rape victim or incest victim to come to a decision. Ok I gotta get to sleep. Got crap to do tommorow, and have to be downtown Friday really early for the Kidrock concert. (working not attending its my stay fit get out of the computer chair job)
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read what I said and not what you want it to say.
There are allot of black babies still waiting to be adopted, instead of running to other countries why are they not getting adopted in droves, by these long lines of people wanting to adopt.
Go re-read your studies you always like to talk about - or did you ignore the ones that talk about the lack of qualified families wanting to adopt black babies.

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Boy ya you got me there... Thats why parents fly to China and Russia and Romania to find newborns to adopt. Ooops Thank you come again. There are long LONG waiting lists of couples wanting newborn children to adopt.
you are 100% wrong here, wanna know why they go to China/South America etc?

It's because they don't want the mother in the USA to come back for her child.
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when was the last time you were raped!
How dare you try to tell any girl who went through something like that whats plenty of time for anything!

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So the woman should give birth just for the sake of another couple adopting the child. So because some foreign couple wants the child, the woman should sit through 9 months of pregnancy? LOL where does your insanity stop?
Wow srsly read and comprehend. People go outside of the U.S. in order to adopt because the demand for newborn children is so high. Yet we throw millions of them a year into hazmat dumpsters. The woman shouldnt spread her legs if she isnt ready to carry a child for 9 months. If there is an accident she should go the next day or certainly within 2 months and get it taken care of. Why does it seem like such a big deal to shorten the allowed term? *scratches head*
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Just to make sure people dont box me into a certain box. I support legal weed, and legal prostitution. Tax the crap out of them, and its end of budget issues. Im also not saying to outlaw abortion. Though it would suit me morally I know that a middle ground needs to be reached. 2 months to me is plenty of time for a rape victim or incest victim to come to a decision. Ok I gotta get to sleep. Got crap to do tommorow, and have to be downtown Friday really early for the Kidrock concert. (working not attending its my stay fit get out of the computer chair job)
At least I can agree with you on most things you said, except if you are expressing that you actually like Kid Rock's music. There I'll just have to say you are wrong.

Now people may say that opinions can't be wrong. They have a point, but are also wrong. Coheed and Cambria or the movie Donnie Darko(or anything with Drew B. besides E.T. in it) are not good. FACT: Fight Club is a great movie.
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