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d-null · 08-26-2007, 03:42 PM

Will google get pissed off?

say you have an adwords account that they jacked all the cpc prices through the roof, making it virtually unusable

is it safe to open a brand new account using a different email, and different credit card, and different name, but still have the ad links pointing to your same websites? will google consider the fact that it is the same websites being advertised and hit you with high cpc prices right off the bat again?

d-null · 08-26-2007, 03:44 PM

and I know, adwords sucks, but in mainstream it can be a valuable tool, they just like to make it as expensive to use as possible it seems

aico · 08-26-2007, 03:45 PM

Aren't the CPC prices based off the keyword? Why would they jack the price because of the site you are linking to?

d-null · 08-26-2007, 03:51 PM

cpc starts low

if your ad doesn't perform to their liking (which seems pretty algorithmically difficult to determine exactly why), then they generally keep raising the price for the same keywords, even if there is no competition for that keyword

so for example, one day you might be paying 10 cents cpc, things will be going well you think, then they turn you off and ask for 20 cents cpc, that might go for awhile then they ask for 50 cents, then they ask for 1 dollar, then 5 dollars cpc

same keyword

once your price cpc goes up it seems to not want to come down again, and they will raise your prices for all your keywords at the same time

I think they like companies like Amazon that have a big budget and get alot of clicks when people do a search, they say if you generate alot of clicks your cpc goes down, but the formulas they use are mysterious

aico · 08-26-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jetjet

cpc starts low

if your ad doesn't perform to their liking (which seems pretty algorithmically difficult to determine exactly why), then they generally keep raising the price for the same keywords, even if there is no competition for that keyword

so for example, one day you might be paying 10 cents cpc, things will be going well you think, then they turn you off and ask for 20 cents cpc, that might go for awhile then they ask for 50 cents, then they ask for 1 dollar, then 5 dollars cpc

same keyword

once your price cpc goes up it seems to not want to come down again, and they will raise your prices for all your keywords at the same time

I think they like companies like Amazon that have a big budget and get alot of clicks when people do a search, they say if you generate alot of clicks your cpc goes down, but the formulas they use are mysterious

I have been using Adwords for a long time, and they have never changed my CPC bid. I would think if they did that would be pretty shady. The only thing they have ever done is recommend higher daily budgets to get more impressions.

They whole strategy for Adwords is pricing your max. click bid right for your keywords, if Adwords were to change them for you, I think that would piss off a hell of a lot of people.

You might want to make sure you are setting your Max bid correctly, because I don't think they can or will go over that.

d-null · 08-26-2007, 08:59 PM

they never go over the max bid, they just inactivate your keyword by raising the price

I have many keywords that were working fine at 20 cents per click, they inactivate them and now it says:

"Inactive for search
Increase quality or bid $5.00 to activate"

GatorB · 08-26-2007, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet

they never go over the max bid, they just inactivate your keyword by raising the price

I have many keywords that were working fine at 20 cents per click, they inactivate them and now it says:

"Inactive for search
Increase quality or bid $5.00 to activate"

That's because your site is not relevant to your ad in google's eyes. If your site is more relevant to your ads and gets good clicks then you won't have to pay $5 a click.

d-null · 08-26-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

That's because your site is not relevant to your ad in google's eyes. If your site is more relevant to your ads and gets good clicks then you won't have to pay $5 a click.

but that leads back to my original question, can I safely start all over by opening a new adwords account under a different name to advertise the same site?

because they started out only charging me 5 cents a click and I got lots of impressions before they jacked me up to $5 a click, now no matter what I change my ads to or how relevant they are, they have me at $5 or $10 a click... so how do I restart at a reasonable price? it seems like trashing the account altogether might be my only solution, but not if google has the site that I am advertising as being flagged as a high price per click customer?

adultshop · 08-26-2007, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet

but that leads back to my original question, can I safely start all over by opening a new adwords account under a different name to advertise the same site?

because they started out only charging me 5 cents a click and I got lots of impressions before they jacked me up to $5 a click, now no matter what I change my ads to or how relevant they are, they have me at $5 or $10 a click... so how do I restart at a reasonable price? it seems like trashing the account altogether might be my only solution, but not if google has the site that I am advertising as being flagged as a high price per click customer?

You could do this, new name, new card, etc but as soon as you start to use the same keywords and that same site URL, eventually, odds are, that the minimum bid creep will start again and your keywords will become inactive unless you raise the minimum bid. It could take some time, so why dont you give it a try, you could get some cheaper conversions before your cost outweighs your income.

fluffygrrl · 08-26-2007, 11:10 PM

They'll pretty certainly ban you within a couple weeks.

GatorB · 08-26-2007, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet

but that leads back to my original question, can I safely start all over by opening a new adwords account under a different name to advertise the same site?

because they started out only charging me 5 cents a click and I got lots of impressions before they jacked me up to $5 a click, now no matter what I change my ads to or how relevant they are, they have me at $5 or $10 a click... so how do I restart at a reasonable price? it seems like trashing the account altogether might be my only solution, but not if google has the site that I am advertising as being flagged as a high price per click customer?

Why bother doing that when your bids are going to need to be bumped up again. See you're not solving the original problem and that is your keyword and ads are not as relevant to your site as they should be.

And though YOU might think your ads are relevant obviously they aren't.

d-null · 08-26-2007, 11:14 PM

so what is the best solution at this point when one finds themselves faced with $5 and $10 per click charges on any keyword?

no matter what I do to the ad now or the keywords, it seems like my account is set to a high cpc

I'm not about to risk paying $5 a click just to start things up again, and I don't want to get banned

GatorB · 08-26-2007, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet

so what is the best solution at this point when one finds themselves faced with $5 and $10 per click charges on any keyword?

no matter what I do to the ad now or the keywords, it seems like my account is set to a high cpc

I'm not about to risk paying $5 a click just to start things up again, and I don't want to get banned

Give me a url of a site you are promoting and then I might be able to help

ztik · 08-26-2007, 11:37 PM

Or you could just fix your quality score...

Its more then likely your site is no relevant to your keywords. You probably have a very high bounce rate. There could be other factors that are playing into your poor quality score though.

If you make a new account, you risk being banned. Once you get banned you are banned for life. Any account than you linked could be banned also.

ICQ me tomorrow and I will tell you what is wrong with site for a price

baddog · 08-26-2007, 11:38 PM

It is my understanding they don't allow it.

DigitalPimp · 08-26-2007, 11:47 PM

They do not allow it for the purposes that you would be doing it for but as has been pointed out it would not help anyway if you do not change your keywords and landing page. Do the keywords this is happening with appear in the landing pages content, title, description, ect.?

jigg · 08-27-2007, 08:43 PM

and your new account will have the same issue

don't bid on keywords that are not on the landing page and you won't have problems

V_RocKs · 08-27-2007, 09:34 PM

I have 3 accounts. You must use different info for each.

08-26-2007, 03:42 PM	#1
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	opening more than one adwords account Will google get pissed off? say you have an adwords account that they jacked all the cpc prices through the roof, making it virtually unusable is it safe to open a brand new account using a different email, and different credit card, and different name, but still have the ad links pointing to your same websites? will google consider the fact that it is the same websites being advertised and hit you with high cpc prices right off the bat again? __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

08-26-2007, 03:44 PM	#2
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	and I know, adwords sucks, but in mainstream it can be a valuable tool, they just like to make it as expensive to use as possible it seems __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

08-26-2007, 03:51 PM	#4
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	cpc starts low if your ad doesn't perform to their liking (which seems pretty algorithmically difficult to determine exactly why), then they generally keep raising the price for the same keywords, even if there is no competition for that keyword so for example, one day you might be paying 10 cents cpc, things will be going well you think, then they turn you off and ask for 20 cents cpc, that might go for awhile then they ask for 50 cents, then they ask for 1 dollar, then 5 dollars cpc same keyword once your price cpc goes up it seems to not want to come down again, and they will raise your prices for all your keywords at the same time I think they like companies like Amazon that have a big budget and get alot of clicks when people do a search, they say if you generate alot of clicks your cpc goes down, but the formulas they use are mysterious __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

08-26-2007, 08:59 PM	#6
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	they never go over the max bid, they just inactivate your keyword by raising the price I have many keywords that were working fine at 20 cents per click, they inactivate them and now it says: "Inactive for search Increase quality or bid $5.00 to activate" __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

08-26-2007, 11:14 PM	#12
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	so what is the best solution at this point when one finds themselves faced with $5 and $10 per click charges on any keyword? no matter what I do to the ad now or the keywords, it seems like my account is set to a high cpc I'm not about to risk paying $5 a click just to start things up again, and I don't want to get banned __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

08-26-2007, 03:45 PM	#3
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Aren't the CPC prices based off the keyword? Why would they jack the price because of the site you are linking to?

08-26-2007, 11:10 PM	#10
fluffygrrl So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,187	They'll pretty certainly ban you within a couple weeks.

08-26-2007, 11:37 PM	#14
ztik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Nomad Posts: 5,196	Or you could just fix your quality score... Its more then likely your site is no relevant to your keywords. You probably have a very high bounce rate. There could be other factors that are playing into your poor quality score though. If you make a new account, you risk being banned. Once you get banned you are banned for life. Any account than you linked could be banned also. ICQ me tomorrow and I will tell you what is wrong with site for a price __________________ .

08-26-2007, 11:38 PM	#15
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	It is my understanding they don't allow it.

08-26-2007, 11:47 PM	#16
DigitalPimp Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 512	They do not allow it for the purposes that you would be doing it for but as has been pointed out it would not help anyway if you do not change your keywords and landing page. Do the keywords this is happening with appear in the landing pages content, title, description, ect.?

08-27-2007, 08:43 PM	#17
jigg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,527	and your new account will have the same issue don't bid on keywords that are not on the landing page and you won't have problems

08-27-2007, 09:34 PM	#18
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,406	I have 3 accounts. You must use different info for each.