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Old 10-25-2002, 02:06 PM   #201
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Ya, how do you know this is the same cat?

MikeEP, where in so cal are ya?

I have a place in Santa Monica being rebuilt...im currently in Valencia as of now..
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Old 10-25-2002, 02:08 PM   #202
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This doesn't meet the standards for fraud. Your knowledge of the law is weak, grasshopper.

As for options, you have plenty of them - many of which have been pointed out in this thread. You just like the easy road.

Partner Only submit accounts.
More info on submit, etc..

You have tons of options that don't involve you breaking the law. I'll leave your lame-ass Iraq vs the US analogy out of this, as it's not the same.. Unless of course your cheater has some nukes that he's planning to launch at you?

I don't have to prove you wrong - you've admitted it. It wouldn't take much more evidence to convict you. So grow up, and start running your site like the big biz it is. The next time you img src someone it may be someone big enough to take it all away from you, or at least fuck you up good.

This isn't the wild west anymore dude.

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you know backov I'm begining to think you're a total IDIOT who just is jelous of anyone who's sucessful. This "law" that you're talking about - mind pointing it out to me? There is no INTERNAIONAL LAW pertaining to EVERY country regarding img srcing. What's legal in one place may be illegial in another and vise versa. Some countries may have a law, some don't have a law.

What is a fact is that you're full of jealous rage against anyone who's even remotly sucessful - maybe that's cause you arn't sucessful yourself.
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Old 10-25-2002, 02:12 PM   #203
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You have tons of options that don't involve you breaking the law. I'll leave your lame-ass Iraq vs the US analogy out of this, as it's not the same.. Unless of course your cheater has some nukes that he's planning to launch at you?

I don't have to prove you wrong - you've admitted it. It wouldn't take much more evidence to convict you. So grow up, and start running your site like the big biz it is. The next time you img src someone it may be someone big enough to take it all away from you, or at least fuck you up good.

This isn't the wild west anymore dude.

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People infecting my sites with dialers so people get phonebills beyond believe will ground my site eventually, so I don't think the Iraq-US analogy is such a bad one.

I never claimed img sourcing to be legal, so that why I'm puzzled you're trying t your very best to proof someone was wrong who didn't clame to be right in the first place...

I don't agree with you on the wild west Mr. Backov (sorry, I won't lower myself to calling people insect-names). The US is proofing to the world right now that where laws and reason fail we're STILL in the wild west...

This guy is breaking my set rules when submitting on my site. Deliberately. Any grasshopper knows that with the right lawyer that will be fraud, I'm surprised you didn't know that. But how should I go after someone in Russia who hides behind fake names and Russian Dialer companies? You tell me that.
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Old 10-25-2002, 02:12 PM   #204
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you know backov I'm begining to think you're a total IDIOT (snip rest of lame flame)
Funny, I realized that about you long ago. None of your posts ever has any value. Look back at mine and see if you can say the same.

Stop sucking Patricks dick. He's got lots of people doing that already, and I'm sure there's no more chocolate sauce left on it.

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Old 10-25-2002, 02:15 PM   #205
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Testing out your new kneepads today, eh? How they holding up?

I'd kiss up to thehun if it was possible, but unfortunatly it ISN'T. Thehun puts his surfers before gallery submitters and advertisers. He always has and always will. I admire him for that too (even though I may not agree with it totally)

There are ONLY two ways to get listed on his site- get lucky with a good gallery or pay him, and even if you pay him it still has to be a good gallery.
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"Another one just came in. http://www.sweetnsexybutts.com/g2610/221.html."

... hey man, it´s friday night ... what time do the pubs close in the netherland ... still time to get some beers in, right ??
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Old 10-25-2002, 02:19 PM   #207
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I don't agree with you on the wild west Mr. Backov (sorry, I won't lower myself to calling people insect-names). The US is proofing to the world right now that where laws and reason fail we're STILL in the wild west...
Sorry, the grasshopper thing wasn't an insult - it's a reference to an old tv show. Kung Fu wasn't it? Anyway..



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This guy is breaking my set rules when submitting on my site. Deliberately. Any grasshopper knows that with the right lawyer that will be fraud, I'm surprised you didn't know that. But how should I go after someone in Russia who hides behind fake names and Russian Dialer companies? You tell me that.
Now Sleazy is right, and laws vary around the world, but this ones pretty universal I think.. For fraud there usually has to be monetary damage. Can you prove monetary damage from what this guy is doing? Breaking your rules doesn't count as fraud. If by breaking your rules he cost you $X amount of dollars, and you can prove it, then you're looking at some good fraud.

However, just because you can't punish him legally with a fraud charge, doesn't mean you take the law into your own hands.

Anyway, I'm done.. No use arguing anymore once both sides have made their points. But you really should take my warning seriously - do this to the wrong person and you could be in a world of hurt.. And I'm not talking img src retaliation, I'm talking legal. You ARE vulnerable. Just like the cheaters, you might think you are not, but you certainly are.

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Old 10-25-2002, 02:23 PM   #209
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So all the gallery makers who make good galleries and get rejected should start fire bombing the TGP owner's houses? After all, you're screwing with their livelihood by not listing them.
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Old 10-25-2002, 02:24 PM   #210
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"Another one just came in. http://www.sweetnsexybutts.com/g2610/221.html."

... hey man, it´s friday night ... what time do the pubs close in the netherland ... still time to get some beers in, right ??
I think this goes before a few beers FM... Downside of actually caring about your business ;-)
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Old 10-25-2002, 02:25 PM   #211
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Now Sleazy is right,......
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I'd kiss up to thehun if it was possible, but unfortunatly it ISN'T. Thehun puts his surfers before gallery submitters and advertisers. He always has and always will. I admire him for that too (even though I may not agree with it totally)

There are ONLY two ways to get listed on his site- get lucky with a good gallery or pay him, and even if you pay him it still has to be a good gallery.
Then he should build his own galleries and list them, list his friends galleries and not send his surfers to strangers' sites and/or galleries.

Once you put a link up to someone, and a surfer clicks that link and goes to that someone's site, they are no longer YOUR surfer.

You can choose not to leave the link up, you can choose to blacklist that person and not link to them anymore, but you can't go img srcing people.
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Anyway, I'm done.. No use arguing anymore once both sides have made their points. But you really should take my warning seriously - do this to the wrong person and you could be in a world of hurt.. And I'm not talking img src retaliation, I'm talking legal. You ARE vulnerable. Just like the cheaters, you might think you are not, but you certainly are.

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Oh, I know that Backov... and I realise the risks. That's why I try finding out who's behind it first. This case the trace went dead in Russia... I put my attorney on it to see if he could find out anything, but he ran into the same border... I am prepared for concequences, I am prepared to strike hard though. As soon as a guy like this would file a complaint we would know who he'd be and let the whole thing backfire at him. All his actions are on record, e-mails to him and his sponsors are saved... Trust me, this is a well considered operation...

Didn't know about the grasshopper, so I hope you don't blame me for taking that as an insultt... Sorry 'bout that.
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Then he should build his own galleries and list them, list his friends galleries and not send his surfers to strangers' sites and/or galleries.

Once you put a link up to someone, and a surfer clicks that link and goes to that someone's site, they are no longer YOUR surfer.

You can choose not to leave the link up, you can choose to blacklist that person and not link to them anymore, but you can't go img srcing people.

this attitude is why you don't make any real money and never will ...........
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Maybe I'm stupid, and this idea can't be turned into reality BUT.

Why not let a bot check your site every X minutes. And when a cheater is found it will be deleted.

I know you told me you do, but that guy is kind of smart, and say first 20 ip's will see the nice gallery.

But why not let the bot use different proxy ip's every check...? and update that proxy list every week/month whatever?

Isn't this possible?

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Wow what a huge thread
Didn't read all I have to admit but people that think the traffic of thehun can take down a whole ISP you really don't have to worry. It takes a shitload more traffic to take down an isp.

I bet the cheater is also posting on gfy.
Don't you get the IP of people when they submit thehuh?
Maybe they could see if the IP matches any IP from a gfy member.
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this attitude is why you don't make any real money and never will ...........
Try again. Your dopey "I'm super elite" comments are funny, but not particularly irksome.

This is funny. Normally it's the gallery posters whining about how unfair the big TGP's are. It's fun watching the big TGP owners cry about how rough they have it because they have to delete someone on a regular basis.
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Wow what a huge thread
Didn't read all I have to admit but people that think the traffic of thehun can take down a whole ISP you really don't have to worry. It takes a shitload more traffic to take down an isp.

I bet the cheater is also posting on gfy.
Don't you get the IP of people when they submit thehuh?
Maybe they could see if the IP matches any IP from a gfy member.
or we could just target those people who have posted in this thread that they think it's ok to fuck with someone's traffic. Yes, why don't we just go after all those idiots..... obviously they need to be taught a lesson.
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Maybe they could see if the IP matches any IP from a gfy member.
I bet it does.

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Try again. Your dopey "I'm super elite" comments are funny, but not particularly irksome.

This is funny. Normally it's the gallery posters whining about how unfair the big TGP's are. It's fun watching the big TGP owners cry about how rough they have it because they have to delete someone on a regular basis.

ok, mr big shot. post who you are and what sites you run if you think it's ok to fuck with people's traffic.

I'm sure everyone you do business with would like to know your attitudes.

if you don't post who you are and your URLs then you're no better than a cowardly cheating russian hiding in the bushes.
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ok, mr big shot. post who you are and what sites you run if you think it's ok to fuck with people's traffic.

I'm sure everyone you do business with would like to know your attitudes.

if you don't post who you are and your URLs then you're no better than a cowardly cheating russian hiding in the bushes.
You know, you're a retard.

If you don't want someone "fucking with your traffic" don't put a link up to them.

If you open your submissions to the public, you have to expect cheaters. When you catch them, you delete them. It's part of owning a TGP, you big crybaby.
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You know, you're a retard.

If you don't want someone "fucking with your traffic" don't put a link up to them.

If you open your submissions to the public, you have to expect cheaters. When you catch them, you delete them. It's part of owning a TGP, you big crybaby.

I repeat - post you URLs ...................... coward
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I repeat - post you URLs ...................... coward
Yep. I'm terrified now. LOL

I repeat - you're a retard. Don't open submissions if you don't want to get submissions from cheaters, and if you do get them, you delete them. Is that too hard for you to understand?

Or would you rather whine all day on a messageboard and try to look big and tough?
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To the people who are bitching at The Hun, do you not realize that he has over 1 million surfers to his site every day that he has to keep happy? These are not fucking hitbot trade surfers, he probably has 20X more REAL PEOPLE seeing his site than some chump like gotys and his bothunter.com. Most of his surfers would not like being redirecting to rape sites, and if it happens enough they'll go somewhere else for their daily porn fix. What, is he supposed to let fucks like this ruin his business? Not bloodly likley, he does what he has to do to get rid of them. He doesn't img src someone because they delete an arhcived gallery or some shit, he does it to someone who continually cheats him, over and over again, after all other options are exausted. Get this bastard, Hun, and you'll be doing every TGP webmaster a favor.


I'd think that you're going to have to go with the paid submitter accounts, Hun. You seriously can't enjoy spending this much of your valuable time chasing down cheaters, and then taking this kind of shit for trying to stop them. I understand the points against it, but just make it very clear that an account is no guarantee of being listed. It will make every honest webmaster happy, you will have less cheats to fuck with and the real gallery makers won't have to compete with the thousands of cheater galleries submitted to you. Or, you could piss off a lot of people and start using only sponsors galleries and paid spots.
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Yep. I'm terrified now. LOL

I repeat - you're a retard. Don't open submissions if you don't want to get submissions from cheaters, and if you do get them, you delete them. Is that too hard for you to understand?

Or would you rather whine all day on a messageboard and try to look big and tough?
Let's keep this a bit civilized people... But what you're saying would be the same as "don't open a shop if you don't want to be shoplifted"... My site is not built to cheat on, same as a shop not being opened for people to lift it.... Still it happens, so you have to protect yourself, simple as that. This is not a one time kid who nicked some candy for the first time, this is the mofo who walked into the store for the 15th time to rob the place blind...
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Yep. I'm terrified now. LOL

I repeat - you're a retard. Don't open submissions if you don't want to get submissions from cheaters, and if you do get them, you delete them. Is that too hard for you to understand?

Or would you rather whine all day on a messageboard and try to look big and tough?
I DON'T need to hide. I stand behind what I say cause I'm a reputable business man. Obviously you arn't.

Since you don't have the guts to put your money where your mouth by posting your URLs we can all only assume that either you are a CHEATER or you do in fact really agree with me but just want to have a arguement on GFY. Which one is it?
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Let's keep this a bit civilized people... But what you're saying would be the same as "don't open a shop if you don't want to be shoplifted"... My site is not built to cheat on, same as a shop not being opened for people to lift it.... Still it happens, so you have to protect yourself, simple as that. This is not a one time kid who nicked some candy for the first time, this is the mofo who walked into the store for the 15th time to rob the place blind...
You're not being shoplifted from. No one's stealing anything from you. Some stranger is sending you a gallery with a request to link it, and you're linking it not knowing anything about the person.

Close submissions, make people pay to submit, make a preferred submitters list. You have plenty of options.

Every TGP owner in the world deals with this on a daily basis, but they don't commit illegal acts to get revenge.
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:01 PM   #232
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:04 PM   #233
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I DON'T need to hide. I stand behind what I say cause I'm a reputable business man. Obviously you arn't.

Since you don't have the guts to put your money where your mouth by posting your URLs we can all only assume that either you are a CHEATER or you do in fact really agree with me but just want to have a arguement on GFY. Which one is it?
You can assume what you want, Sleazy. I couldn't care less.

If you want a cheat free site, trade only with people you know, and list only galleries from people you know, otherwise expect cheaters, and delete them and blacklist them.

And now I'm done repeating that for you.
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:12 PM   #234
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The whole "he did bad, I'mma image source him!" tactic is complete bull shit, IMO. Someone fucks with TGP, TGP decides to fuck back with someone and anyone doing business with someone. Not cool, and immature.
I do not like to do this, but I am agreeing
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:16 PM   #235
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You're not being shoplifted from. No one's stealing anything from you. Some stranger is sending you a gallery with a request to link it, and you're linking it not knowing anything about the person.

Close submissions, make people pay to submit, make a preferred submitters list. You have plenty of options.

Every TGP owner in the world deals with this on a daily basis, but they don't commit illegal acts to get revenge.

I'm starting to repeat myself: this is not a small kid stealing his first candy... this person is repeatidly cheating, hiding behind different servers, names, e-mail addresses, gallery layouts, you name it. I delete at least 50 people a day for adding consoles right after they submitted (if the bot didn't catch 'em) and the bot scans all links listed for cheaters who are simply written, removed and blacklisted like I said on the first post. Does the US bomb every country they have a disagreement with? No, luckily not. They use that as a last resort. If I'd hotlink every cheater I encounter in a day I would linking more cheaters than regular galleries. It's not as simple as you think.

You're right, you don't go hotlinking people that cheat on you, but people that repeatedly do this that obviously put a lot of effort in breaking the rules I set for MY OWN page HE is submitting to need to be tought a lesson...

I'm being hurt by this cheater. Every person leaving my page and not coming back is less impressions on my banners and eventually less clicks. People caught in dialers are people that are not willing to click ads anymore. And I want to do everything to keep people's trust. Not only for my site, but also to ensure the people advertising on my page for making a decent dollar. If I'd let cheaters get away with this I'd put that at stake. So yes, I am lifter here...
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:20 PM   #236
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Life sucks when you run a TGP.

Close submissions to the public. No more problem.
I agree. I would add:

Life sucks when you run a TopList.
Life sucks when you run a CJ.
Life sucks when you run any traffic trading site.

But for those there are no solutions.
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:20 PM   #237
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Does the US bomb every country they have a disagreement with?
I am thinking, yes this is why everyone will either love or hate USA

love is safer
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:23 PM   #238
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There are other ways of dealing with cheaters, your an ASSHOLE..
GFY has been down for almost 24 hrs beause of your revenge.

Next time redirect that shit to oprano.com
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:25 PM   #239
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Ok. I respect the fact that you are willing to explain your point of view ad nausem. I still do not agree.

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How do you feel about TGP sites that take your listings of reviewed galleries?
Is that cheating or breaking your TOS as well?
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:26 PM   #240
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There are other ways of dealing with cheaters, your an ASSHOLE..
GFY has been down for almost 24 hrs beause of your revenge.

Next time redirect that shit to oprano.com
The Hun redirected to the cheater, the cheater redirected to GFY...


on that note, can't GFY redirect the cheater back to his server?
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:27 PM   #241
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Sleazy, you need to take a debate class, or something. The minute you start your defense by mentioning your success, or the lack thereof someone else's success, you've already lost the argument. Almost EVERY argument you get in, boils down to your success. Why? Who gives a shit? Not many people around here need to kiss your ass, for various reasons, so why do you expect them to?
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:28 PM   #242
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Does the US bomb every country they have a disagreement with? No, luckily not. They use that as a last resort.
Well... actually...
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:29 PM   #243
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The Hun redirected to the cheater, the cheater redirected to GFY...

on that note, can't GFY redirect the cheater back to his server?
No, because his server would redirect again to GFY.

TRAFFIC:

The Hun - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - ....
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:31 PM   #245
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Most cheaters think they're invulnerable, that nobody can touch 'em.
The really good ones are....
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No, because his server would redirect again to GFY.

TRAFFIC:

The Hun - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - ....
hehe, duh... normally I'm brighter than that... I've got a toothache and lots of painkillers, though today.
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:32 PM   #247
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No, because his server would redirect again to GFY.

TRAFFIC:

The Hun - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - Cheater Server - GFY - ....
this is reminding me of my cousin's e-mail auto-responder that got into a loop with another auto-responder - had 16.000 e-mails when he woke up the next morning
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:34 PM   #248
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Ok. I respect the fact that you are willing to explain your point of view ad nausem. I still do not agree.

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How do you feel about TGP sites that take your listings of reviewed galleries?
Is that cheating or breaking your TOS as well?
Luckily we don't have to agree ;-)... A link-site taking my listings is easily taken care of. If he's copying descriptions it's a violation of author's rights. I own the copyrights to my listing (filed it) and there's always the database protection laws. Like I said, a webmaster stealing my links can be taken care off very easily...
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:35 PM   #249
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you know backov I'm begining to think you're a total IDIOT who just is jelous of anyone who's sucessful.
What is a fact is that you're full of jealous rage against anyone who's even remotly sucessful - maybe that's cause you arn't sucessful yourself.
Have you read my post about selling a 300,000 a day tgp?

Everyone one of those people has the same problem... they cannot believe that something like that is possible cause they cant do it.....

Probably 90% of the people on GFY are like that....
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There are other ways of dealing with cheaters, your an ASSHOLE..
GFY has been down for almost 24 hrs beause of your revenge.

Next time redirect that shit to oprano.com
Greentea, please don't lower yourself to namecalling... Calling me an Asshole is out of line in this case... Please read the beginning of this post. I am not responsible for taking GFY down. Drawnsex did that...
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